The Lass Word: No Star Power? No Problem
Who is Green Bay's next superstar?
By KenLass
I love fantasy football. I used to laugh and make fun of people who played it. I thought it was silly. Then one day a co-worker invited me to join his league. I figured what the heck, let’s see what all the fuss is about. I got hooked. Hopelessly hooked. It adds interest to every game, regardless of who the teams are. I now play in several different leagues and run my own.
This is about the time of year when I start to research the fantasy player rankings for the coming season. One of the sites I peruse is the ESPN fantasy rankings. As I pored through the various positions, I couldn’t help asking myself: Where are the Packers? Jordan Love was rated 25th among fantasy quarterbacks. Aaron Jones was no higher than fifteenth. Not a single Green Bay receiver could be found among the top twenty. Christian Watson was the first to appear at number 23.
Then I came to tight ends. There were no Packers rated, period. The rankings ran 25 deep. Not a Packer to be found. The same was true of the kicker category. As far as individual defensive fantasy players were concerned, you had to go all the way down to number 40 to find the first Green Bay player, that being Preston Smith.
Of course, fantasy football ratings have absolutely nothing to do with how good this year’s Packers team may or may not be. But it did sort of bring home to me how young and unheralded this team is. Where is the star power? You know those hard sell TV promos for an upcoming game? The ones that mention a team’s star player to hype the match-up? The raspy-voiced announcer utters breathlessly: “Tonight on NBC’s Sunday Night Football, it’s Aaron Rodgers and the Packers taking on Justin Jefferson and the Vikings!”
Which player’s name will the network choose to insert for the Pack, now that Rodgers is gone? Would you classify anybody on this team as a national star? Does it even matter?
Well, it matters when you consider it is rare for an NFL team to make the playoffs and compete for a Super Bowl without any elite performers. Let’s use the Associated Press All Pro team as the standard for elite status. The champion Kansas City Chiefs had four first team all pros last season, and added two more on the second team. Bear in mind this voting is done before the playoffs begin.
The San Francisco 49ers also had four first teamers and two on the second team. The Super Bowl runner-up Philadelphia Eagles placed two guys on the first team all pro list, and three more on the second. Even the Minnesota Vikings, who coasted to the NFC North title, only to choke in the playoffs, had a pair of first team all pros, and one more on the second team.
By comparison, Green Bay had one first team all pro, and that was a kick returner (Keisean Nixon). Cornerback Jaire Alexander made the second team.
It is rare to have a great season without multiple all pros, but not unheard of. The 2019 Packers, Matt LaFleur’s first year, had nobody on the first or second all pro team, yet finished 13-3. The 2010 Super Bowl championship team had just one all pro (Clay Matthews).
Plus, who is to say there aren’t any stars on this team? Maybe we just don’t know who they are yet. When the Packers signed free agent linebacker De’Vondre Campbell prior to the 2021 season, he was merely thought to be a stopgap to compensate for the decision to let Christian Kirksey go. Nobody guessed Campbell would have a breakout, first team all pro season. Who might be this year’s De’Vondre Campbell?
Certainly, the aforementioned Jaire Alexander is already acknowledged as one of the best at his position. However, I can’t help but wonder if his talent level works against him in terms of star power. Opponents rarely throw in his direction, meaning he is at a disadvantage to compile the stats necessary for national accolades. Elton Jenkins may be noticed, if Green Bay has a great year running the football. Perhaps David Bakhtiari regains his all pro form.
Christian Watson burst on to the national consciousness last year. Receiver is a difficult position at which to break into the all pro ranks because there are so many good ones across the league, but he appears to have the talent. Quay Walker? As productive as running back Aaron jones has been, he’s never been first or second team all pro. Here again, that running back position has a lot of competition.
Could one of these rookie tight ends emerge as an immediate star? Or maybe slot receiver Jayden Reed? What if Rashan Gary comes back from injury with a vengeance and racks up big sack numbers?
And, what the heck. Why not Jordan Love? The TV networks will be pulling for him to be a star. They salivate at the chance to hype quarterbacks. With multiple prime time games on Green Bay’s schedule, it won’t take but a few early season wins for Love to ascend rapidly into the network TV star maker machinery.
For the moment, the 2023 Green Bay Packers remain mostly a no-name bunch, sorely lacking in star power and glamour. But I suspect this is temporary. By season’s end, I may be wishing I had taken several more of them on my fantasy team.
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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.
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Comments (122)
croatpackfan
June 05, 2023 at 06:18 am
Ken, I understand that you would like to add as many Packers players as you can to your fantasy football team, but this is very good news.
Many outhere undermining Packers. I like that. That will help young players to be taken less seriously, while they were adapting on the NFL, so there is possibility for them to put some noise through the adaptation period to NFL. After that, it will be late and will be "hold your underpants" for many of those "better" teams.
I have no worry. Packers is loaded with talent!
PackEyedOptimist
June 05, 2023 at 06:26 am
While the overall roster is very young, as I pointed out a week ago, this roster is filled with players “ in their prime years” (25-30).
I don’t play FF, but I think any rookie who makes a lot of noise early will gain “Rookie Star” status. My prediction for that is VanNess. Not only could he surprise people with a bunch of sacks, his play style is the kind that makes highlight reels, an equally important aspect of becoming famous.
I like the odds of the Love-Watson deep ball as well. I think Love throws a better bomb than Rodgers or Favre; he has more of the “lay it out perfectly in front of the receiver in stride” knack than our two hall of farmers. So I think both of them will catch some attention and more highlights.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 05, 2023 at 07:37 am
PEO,
Once upon a time AR was very good at the long ball but as we have seen in recent years that ability seems to have evaporated to some extent. In watching JL throw in college, in the pros, and into the nets in the corners of the end zone at practices.....I'm thinking you are 100% correct. JL and his band of WR's & TE's are going to light up the league in 2023 & 2024.
BirdDogUni
June 05, 2023 at 12:40 pm
I see we have two viks fans and a bares fan reading today. (3 Thumbs down)
Lions fans don't bother...
Lol
WestCoastPackerBacker
June 05, 2023 at 01:47 pm
Wow, you have seen enough of Jordan Love to think he will throw a better deep ball than two of the best to ever do it? Got any links?
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 02:27 pm
When they were at their best maybe they would be tough to beat, but after they hit 39? He just needs to be an average QB to start.
PackEyedOptimist
June 06, 2023 at 08:09 am
I’m not saying he’ll be a better QB, but Favre and Rodgers often muscled a ball to an open WR or had the receiver make a great contested catch. Neither of them had the “Lynn Dickey deep touch.”
I’ve seen it in Love’s college tape, practices, and preseason throws. I stand by my comment that he might very well be a great bomb thrower, and if he and Watson get on the same page, we may see some Dickey-to-Lofton moments regularly.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 05, 2023 at 09:53 pm
PEO, while I enjoy countertrending the naysayers about how inaccurate JL (supposedly) is, the difference between a quick release short throw to a TE or RB that might turn into a nice 10 yd + chunk and the amount of time we need pass protection to launch an accurate deep ball really comes down to an O line that can dominate consistently. And if we have that? Everything works :)
LambeauPlain
June 05, 2023 at 06:31 am
Fantasy football is...well, fantasy and a popularity contest.
The stars on this team remain...AJ, Gary, Alexander the Great, Bak, Jenks, Kenny, Nixon. Emerging stars like Watson, Walker, Doubs, Douglas. And potential stars like Love, Musgrave, Kraft, Van Ness, Reed.
Job #1: Win games early. Job #2: Win more than you lose. Job #3: Make the playoffs. Job #4: Win the Lombardi. Job #5: Lastly, accept the accolades that will follow.
For the first time in a very long while...this very young team needs to adopt Bicassia's "We Teams" concept. Play for the guy next to you. Growing up is hard to do in the NFL. Solid character and work ethic seems to brand most of the young talent. That's going to help flatten the learning curve.
PackEyedOptimist
June 05, 2023 at 06:49 am
“We-fense”
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 07:19 am
Great points, LP. Again.
Glad you mentioned Bisaccia, because I do think he will have K Andres Carlson lighting it up through the posts. I guess he'd make a good FF point scorer, especially given their long history with Bisaccia coaching Carlson's brother.
Throughout Kenny Clark's career in Green Bay, I've always felt he needed more from the guys next to him, and behind him on the depth chart to provide a true & effective rotation. We may have finally added that, last year with Wyatt, who spent most of the year getting up to speed with NFL strength, conditioning/techniques, and April's additions of Wooden & Brooks.
Maybe Kenny Clark gets his just dues with better talent surrounding him.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 05, 2023 at 10:07 pm
GG, 16 LB and 9 D linemen on the current roster says FO is NOT worried about the D line despite losing 2 starters. God I hope they're right, the best edge rushers in the world don't make up for a leaky line ...
HawkPacker
June 05, 2023 at 09:06 am
Good points LP. I was just reading an article about Pat Riley and that he is part of 9 NBA championships. He wants his players to be intelligent, athletic and most important they need to be team oriented or in other words, play for your teammates. That has been Riley's keys to his winning over the years.
The packers need to do this as well with 'Wefense'.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 06:31 am
I’ve never played FF, Ken, but my guess is this season’s Green Bay Packers will make their own star power.
Many people who are fans of the game need to see the results on the field before throwing their chips in. I can’t argue that, but I do foresee Jordan Love, Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon, Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Quay Walker, Lukas Van Ness, Jayden Reed & Luke Musgrave and others becoming household names before too long.
So much has been made of Joe Barry in negative terms. Don't be surprised if this Packers defense starts lighting it the F up this season. He's got one helluva lot of talent. Devonte Wyatt was looking really good towards the end of last season. This year he'll find himself to be a returning veteran defensive lineman, alongside Clark, working in rotation some with Wooden & Brooks.
Kenny Clark always needed a DL of quality to rotate out with in order to save him from his never ending high snap counts.
Quay Walker? His two huge mistakes aside, he was an absolute beast of a player for us last season. His 2nd year jump could be impressive. I’m hoping he doesn’t have a 2nd year slump…
Enter one of my dark horse players for 2023, Hybrid LB/S Tariq Carpenter. That guy lights people up. DB Coach Ryan Downard said as much himself when he spoke very highly of Carpenter recently, and they apparently have some plans for him this season.
The other is NT Jonathan Ford. 6-6 338. Never got a snap last season. Needed the development/technique work, much like Wyatt did. Ford will be a wrecking crew. He & TJ Slaton should make a solid rotation and will be a good pairing in short yardage/goal line situations.
I like watching games without having to root for an opposing player, but rather just for the love of the game.
10ve 💚
June 05, 2023 at 07:42 am
"I like watching games without having to root for an opposing player, but rather just for the love of the game."
This is precisely the reason (the first part of the above sentence 🙂) I stopped playing fantasy football. I did not like rooting for non Packers.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 07:49 am
LOL! Yeah, PewAuKeeFan! I just couldn't bring myself to enter into a situation where I was rooting for a player's success on a different team, one we might be facing ourselves in a week, or a month... what have you.
Seriously just love the NFL game in its pure sense. I like watching all the games for that real love of the game, fully appreciating great plays & players. Seeing how teams win & lose. The game's maxims from the football gods always in play, and the exhibiting of their own wrath for those who fail to honor the maxims set forth...
That's some fun stuff, and it always has been.
HawkPacker
June 05, 2023 at 09:14 am
"The other is NT Jonathan Ford. 6-6 338. Never got a snap last season. Needed the development/technique work, much like Wyatt did"
GG, I so hope you are correct on Ford. Not only Ford, but there are other players who have not done much in the past such as the three developing tackles that Packers have on their squad.
I just like the idea of someone making a big unexpected jump and is now part of the discussion of being a great player. We draft and sign certain players and we are fully aware of them and think that they will help but it's those other players, that we have not heard much about, since they are still developing that I really like to see. A player like Yosh Nijman, he is now a very good tackle and should continue to develop bit a couple of years ago you did not hear much about him.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 09:35 am
Awesome point, Hawk!
That coaching staff worked their asses off developing Yosh, a former UDFA, into the quality LT/RT he is today.
On DL Coach Jerry Montgomery & NT Jonathan Ford, I can't help but think the Packers prefer getting newly drafted/UDFA players ample development time to teach them the techniques that work at the NFL level. They are not shy about holding players back until they can demonstrate NFL level play.
Better to start players later, doing what is expected according to their teachings, rather than to throw them into the mix doing things they then have to unteach.
TJ Slaton was a rare exception from 2021's R5. I loved the pick and thought he was a steal. Slaton was arguably the most Pro-ready NT in his draft class - more so than Christian Barmore. Slaton's snap counts went up from 24% usage in 2021 to 32% usage last season. It wouldn't surprise me to see them go even higher this year.
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 10:38 am
I don't know who's downing you guys, but it can't be a Packer fan. You guys have only said positive things that could become exciting.
HawkPacker
June 05, 2023 at 11:17 am
You gotta wonder don't ya?
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 11:39 am
It's not about us. It's about them.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 05, 2023 at 10:14 pm
Hawk you're speaking my language:)
Develop ALL these guys and see who shows up ... it's really hard to have too much depth at this stage of developing a team, and especially in the trenches.
Savage57
June 05, 2023 at 06:42 am
We just watched the death of a star, and it was a sad, ugly sight.
I'm more than ready to see a star be born.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 05, 2023 at 07:39 am
Loved your comment Savage! Well done & with you on this!
RCPackerFan
June 05, 2023 at 06:58 am
The team that wins fantasy football isn't the team that has the best first 2 rounds of the draft. Its the one that has the best rounds 3-whatever your draft is. Its finding those late round picks that absolutely surpass all expectations. Its finding those rookies that shock everyone.
The reason why everyone is uncertain of the Packers offense especially is because all the skill players are young. Love will be his first year as a starting QB. Watson, Doubs, Toure, Reed, Wicks, DuBose are all 1st and 2nd year players. Musgrave and Kraft are rookies. There is so much uncertainty right now.
What they lack in experience they gain in talent. This is a very talented group. Watson maybe one of the most talented WR's in the game already. He exploded onto the scene last year. If he takes a step and the game slows down for him, he is a star! Doubs looks like he maybe taking a 2nd year jump.
Musgrave as a rookie has the height and speed to really open up the offense.
Jones and Dillon are the vets on offense and they bring a lot to the table. Bakhtiari and Jenkins are both elite.
On Defense we have some very talented players as well. Clark and Alexander are our top 2 players. But Campbell is a year removed from being an all pro. Gary was becoming elite until his injury. We have some young guys that are looking to take a step too. Walker is a guy to really watch. He could become a household name if he can stay more disciplined. Van Ness I think is going to surprise some people.
We have plenty of talent on this roster. What i like about this years team is they are flying under the radar. Most people expect little out of them. Which to me makes them dangerous.
I can't wait for this year!
ReaganRulz
June 05, 2023 at 07:09 am
Well said RC!! Lots of talent and just need some gellin’ with magellin!! :)
jlc1
June 05, 2023 at 07:15 am
Unfortunately on defense these players are coached by Joe Barry. So their strengths will be minimized..
SicSemperTyrannis
June 05, 2023 at 10:44 pm
Coaching in the off-season is a very different skill set than coaching during the regular season. Plus, RB as assistant HC can hopefully keep JB from ruining another season. What if he's great in his role developing these guys with the whole team of coaches? That'll be bigger than one season.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 05, 2023 at 07:41 am
Exactly RC!
Lot's of conversation about the offense and rightly so, but do not sleep on the ST's this year. Next year, with Gary 100% healthy again and back into the swing of things with Van Ness in year 2 I cannot wait to see those two wrecking balls playing off one another.
NickPerry
June 05, 2023 at 07:00 am
"It is rare to have a great season without multiple all pros, but not unheard of. The 2019 Packers, Matt LaFleur’s first year, had nobody on the first or second all pro team, yet finished 13-3."
Lets also say on a TEAM without any 1st or 2nd team All-Pros, Aaron Rodgers was very average in 2019 posting numbers Jordan Love could easily equal or surpass this year. Well maybe not just 4 interceptions but passing yards, TDs, completion %, are all things Love could equal IMO.
Lets also note the 2019 team ran a closer version of the MLF offense than it did in say 2021 and certainly 2022. I think that will make a big difference, especially early as Love adjusts to starting. If things go that way many of us hope and think they will, this will be a run first team with two big studs on the O-Line (Bakhtiari and Jenkins), a stud in the making (Zach Tom), and two very capable RBs who could both finish in the Top 20 in "Fantasy Football Rankings". I'll also say lets not forget about Romeo Doubs. We're all guilty of anointing Christian Watson as the next great 2nd round WR in Green Bay, but I wouldn't sleep on Mr. Doubs, not for a second. He could very well be a huge key to the success of this team, especially as Watson gets used to the extra attention we KNOW is coming.
Obviously the elephant in the room is the Defense. With all those 1st round picks at every level, there are NO MORE EXCUSES. I think it's going to be Quay Walker with Alexander, Kenny Clark, Rashon Gary once healthy, and the DROY Vann Ness leading a top 5 defense.
No worries Ken, there's PLENTY of "Star Power".
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 05, 2023 at 07:44 am
Absolutely do not sleep on Doubs is right! Guy is going to ball out this season, particularly with all the young talent around him & should MLF diversify the offense and keep defenses off balance.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 08:54 am
Yeah, Knock. Especially with all the extra time Doubs & Love put together in the offseason, training together at Armed and Dangerous Football Camp.
Like you and Nick, I can see Doubs lighting it up this season. Bigtime.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 05, 2023 at 09:51 am
Doubs is for real & is going to be an extremely good WR. You had pointed it out before about Wicks pushing Doubs. Man....what a good problem to have!
Going to be fun!!!
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 10:23 am
Actually, Wicks is more of an X WR. I can see him backing up Watson, who had some durability issues last season. Nevertheless, Wicks can play that Z WR like Doubs. Bo Melton is another one of those versatile WRs who can literally play any of the WR positions. Reed also able to work the slot and the Z. Toure also able to work the slot and the Z.
Then there's Grant, another able to work the X and Z like Wicks. It's too bad he's got an injury keeping him out and I hope he's able to return for the TC battles. To me, Grant looks every bit as much the real deal as does Doubs and Wicks.
Funny, Knock... at the time I mentioned that I didn't know of all the offseason work Doubs put in with Love at Armed and Dangerous. I think that is really good news. Of course, it's all projections, but every one of these new WRs came in with some impressive resumes.
Coldworld
June 05, 2023 at 10:30 am
Wicks is almost entirely an X at this point in his development. He played almost no Y or Z in college, to a degree which is highly unusual these days.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 11:50 am
Yeah, was just meaning he could switch opposite either of Watson or Doubs when necessary. He's got the skillset for both.
Dontayvion Wicks was a really nice addition to this Packers WR Corps. I believe Reed and Grant are too. Grant might take to some PS work if he can't return from whatever injury he's suffered. Could be the Packers have got Grant on a more intensive development plan before he enters the fray too, and they are just trying to protect him. We'll find out.
Coldworld
June 05, 2023 at 01:53 pm
Perhaps. My guess though, early on, is that the guy being moved around from the X role would be Watson not Wicks. Wicks is the most logical next one up if Watson is elsewhere (at least in draft order terms).
DuBose/Malik Heath/Cotton are all X types, as is the last guy we picked up, Bonds. Behind Doubs, Toure, Reed, Melton and Watts all have a track record at Y and Z. Dubose, Heath and I think Bonds have played the big slot type role significantly too.
Leatherhead
June 05, 2023 at 12:09 pm
""" If things go that way many of us hope and think they will, this will be a run first team..."""""
NP, If that includes short passes to the RBs, I can agree. They're essentially long handoffs. I suppose we could include the WR screens in that category if we wanted to.
The RBs are already getting the ball half the time. In an average game of about 64 snaps, over 32 are designed for the RB to get the ball.
ReaganRulz
June 05, 2023 at 07:17 am
Thx Ken. I do like the fact that many of our guys are “sleepers”…yes, I’m a 16 year Fantasy Football Homer too!! It is fun and helps when your FF Team wins when the Packers lose. When they both lose, well the dog definitely hides upstairs!!
Let’s just pray for healthy players to help them perform at their best. And then lets see where the chips fall.
GregC
June 05, 2023 at 07:20 am
A few weeks ago, I read that the Packers ranked 27th in the league in the PFF rankings. The only teams ranked lower were Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, Houston, Los Angeles Rams, and Arizona. They're even lower than the Bears. I would've expected the Packers to be in the middle of the pack. But I guess the low ranking is because they have unproven players at QB, WR, and TE. That's all fine, it adds to the intrigue of the upcoming season.
I think the player who's going to be mentioned in the promos is Jordan Love, even if he struggles. He's the QB, people have heard of him, and his name has a nice ring to it. Aaron Jones is another candidate.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
June 05, 2023 at 07:52 am
It is my opinion the media & of course MLF/Gutey are setting expectations so low the Packers are definitely flying under the radar. As a result, the Packers once they start winning and having success will become the Cinderella team & media darlings of 2023. I have a sense of 1989 deja vu all over again only 34 years later. Jordan Love & the young Packers will be the talk of the NFL. I think JL will be the 2nd coming of the Magic Man only this time in 2023. The exception is Love is going to have a long & successful career with the GBP's.
1989
Nicknamed "The Majik Man", Majkowski broke out during the 1989 season. He was given the starting job and Randy Wright was released. Majkowski had one of the finest seasons in Packers history, with 353 completed passes in 599 attempts. He also threw for 27 touchdowns, and his 4,318 passing yards led the NFL.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 08:48 am
PFF is also the same organization that had AJ Dillon ranked as an undrafted free agent prior to the 2020 draft. Then they had him as their #2 graded running back in all of football in 2021. If somebody kept score on how often they get things terribly wrong, they would have no credibility whatsoever. Just a bunch of manbun wearing nerds who dont know the first thing about football.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 08:58 am
Style points awarded... "manbun wearing nerds." Top shelf, TBSH.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 01:35 pm
It seems me and you get a lot of auto downvotes.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 02:04 pm
True.
LambeauPlain
June 05, 2023 at 10:13 am
As we both know, Greg...preseason rankings mean absolutely nothing. Packers win their first two games and they will be ranked in the top 15 by PFF.
Being perceived as an underdog is an ally, especially for a young team with a first year QB starting. And in the parity NFL, even a little overconfidence by your opponent can quickly put them on the heels and into react mode.
Johnblood27
June 05, 2023 at 07:33 am
Maybe they should say "Head Coach Matt Lafleur and his Green Bay Packers"
The season will be a complete disaster unless Lafleur comes strong with his version of a successful NFL offense.
There are no veterans to grab the reins of a runaway team and bring things under control. MLF must be that guy for this teams offense.
...and BTW, he needs to cast a wary eye on Joe Barry at all times...
Maybe Richie B will be a stabilizer, but I can't see him just taking over unless the FO jettisons MLF and JB.
mrtundra
June 05, 2023 at 07:55 am
I cannot see the FO getting rid of MLF, anytime soon. Barry is sitting squarely on the hot seat, this season. If he calls one more soft zone coverage scheme( playing off the LOS 8 yards, when it is 3rd and 2, for example) then I would hope MLF pulls the trigger and tells him good bye. No excuses for Barry, this season.
Coldworld
June 05, 2023 at 10:25 am
Whether Murphy would get rid of LaFleur is largely immaterial in the medium term. If he isn’t dramatically better across all facets as a HC without Rodgers he’s a dead man walking. If Murphy chooses to live with that for another year if we just see a rehash of the old mistakes and failings, it will be more a reflection on him than anything and just as short lived.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 08:22 am
Something tells me the networks will have ZERO problems saying "Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers," after Week 1. LOL.
These Packers are going to go on a tear. Mark it down. LaFleur will be fine. Barry will be fine. Love will be fine. Andres Carlson will be fine.
Everything's gonna be fine, fine, fine.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 08:38 am
The reign of terror begins in Chicago. The NFL aint ready for what's coming.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 08:54 am
What sad mope downvoted this? Go be a Jets fan. If you cant get behind this team when theres question marks then you dont deserve the spoils when they put it all together.
Coldworld
June 05, 2023 at 10:35 am
Let me guess …
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 10:47 am
Was thinking the same thing CW.
HawkPacker
June 05, 2023 at 10:49 am
Maybe a bears fan.
Johnblood27
June 05, 2023 at 11:09 am
The way you wrote your post could be seen as the bares are going on a tear...
just sayin...
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 01:33 pm
But I was piggybacking on what GG said lol
LambeauPlain
June 05, 2023 at 10:23 am
My concern with MLF and McCarthy before him is their complete focus on Offense.
Both coaches ignored STs and Defense for the most part...total delegation to the coordinators.
The one time McCarthy got involved with the Defense (2015?) and demanded Capers move CMIII to ILB, the D sprang to life...the synergies with that one move were noticeable immediately. It was also the last, most productive year Clay had in GB. The next year Capers again had full control, CMIII back to Edge and didn't do much.
MLF, after 4 years, seems to give scant attention to STs and D. Rehiring Barry for "consistencies' sake" with top DCs like Flores and Fangio available was cronyism over competence. The HC better hold Barry accountable early and often...their Packer futures are now tethered together.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 10:50 am
I get what you're saying, and can see and have seen all of that stuff many point to on the surface with regards to both LaFleur and Barry.
Myself, I like to look for clues in what they are doing, those things we all have seen, but then connect other key and very relevant points.
#1 has to be LaFleur's own powers to run the Offense his own way usurped by the malcontent Aaron Rodgers. This was insubordination on steroids, and yet, LaFleur stood so powerless that it kind of points a bit more towards Rodgers' free reign having been mandated by Murphy. That might have been a part of the bargains (pleural with Rodgers) over recent years we are unaware of.
Nobody really had too much against LaFleur in his record through his first 2 seasons. Things just got worse and worse since AR threw the Packers under the bus an hour prior to that April's Draft Day 1.
Hey, LaFleur's an offensive minded HC, and was hired as such for the innovations he would bring. He was also saddled with Pettine by none other than... you know who.
THAT set LaFleur's team back 2 years, at least, given Barry was then hired to run a completely different kind of defense, and thus needed a completely different group of players. Every defensive player brought in since is capable of playing multiple positions. Why?
#2 Joe Barry was hired to run what Matt LaFleur described at the time as a defensive scheme that offered the same "Illusion of Complexity," as his own offensive scheme. That doesn't just happen. It takes a pretty sizable turnover in personnel.
The Packers compounded the difficulty in turning over the D personnel by offering AR one of the most ridiculous extensions in NFL history. And, who was the catalyst for that quagmire? Yeah. You guessed it.
With all that $$$$$$$$ out the window to one player, we couldn't be a player in FA. That personnel turnover had to occur via the draft only, save for marginal stop gap FAs on the cheap, and a flyer or two (Rasul Douglas).
What makes me think Barry is fine is we have not heard one single word about any of Murphy/Gutekunst/LaFleur holding his feet to the fire. Why? Because they couldn't hold him accountable until he finally had the players he needed to run his D.
In fairness, his accountability clock should start ticking now. No?
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It's convenient to call Barry out for playing soft zones after Gary & Stokes went down, and I was doing it too!!! But... he was trying to at the very least keep stuff in front of his D as a last ditch effort. Playing straight press/man coverage with questionable pass rush? Without one of your top CBs opposite Jaire?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think it was that simple, and I'm kind of surprised more people haven't considered that.
LambeauPlain
June 05, 2023 at 01:53 pm
Barry played soft zones before Gary and Stokes went down, G&G.
Remember game 1?
HawkPacker
June 05, 2023 at 10:51 am
LP, my thoughts exactly.
Good post!
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 07:40 am
I'd like to see the average amount of "All Pros" on the Patriots during their 6 title seasons. Seems like they liked / thrived being unnoticed. I know they had the Kicker and Moss and a couple others, but I think it was all about team for them.
I think not having a star / distraction this season is a relief. All attention on TEAM.
mnbadger
June 05, 2023 at 08:26 am
tb12 was something of a star.
GPG
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 08:40 am
They also had defensive stars like Richard Seymour, Willie McGinnest, Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Lawyer Milloy, Teddi Bruschi, Vince Wilfork, etc. Then Gronk and Logan Mankins came around and they became more of an offensive juggernaut.
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 10:53 am
Who? LOL. I didn't figure I had to mention him. He made a point of demonstrating his SB victories weren't about him.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 08:27 am
Randy Moss never won a Super Bowl ring. Hard to believe.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 08:55 am
Neither did Wes Welker. And he played a few years with the Manning Broncos too.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 09:03 am
That's shocking to me. OMG. Never realized that. Lost to the Giants twice in the Super Bowl. ooof!
mnbadger
June 05, 2023 at 12:15 pm
Randy Moss is one of the best players ever without one IMO.
GPG!
dobber
June 05, 2023 at 08:34 am
Aaron Jones...should be aligned for a big year if he stays healthy. He's your FFL star on this team and is underrated across the league. I said the same things last year (when I boldly and incorrectly predicted 80 catches), and he didn't produce TDs as he did in the past, but he should catch 60+ and run for over 1000 yd. I'd guess 10+ total TDs.
Keep in mind that Jones' contract leaves him in a spot where he's either going to be extended (playing for a bonus) or cut (playing for a new contract) after this season. He's got $$ to play for.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 08:40 am
Dont be surprised if Jones and Dillon both go for 1000 yds this year.
LambeauPlain
June 05, 2023 at 10:35 am
I think, with this OL, that run blocks better than pass pro (which they also do well), that is possible if both stay healthy.
The 2019 Niner team is a blueprint MLF is likely to build from. They ground pounded the NFL all the way to the SB.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 09:06 am
I couldn't agree more, dobs. Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon are both going to be getting their touches this year. There is nothing that could help Jordan Love more in his first season at QB1 than absolute mauling up front from our veteran OL, opening holes for Jones & Dillon to exploit in a high volume assault upon opposing defenses.
Everything else in the passing game will open up wide. The play action magic they could work in those situations could be stellar. Especially with new additions Reed, Musgrave & Wicks, and the further emergence of Watson, Doubs, and Toure.
Tucker Kraft will enter these conversations before too long as well.
But, it all starts with that running game.
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 10:50 am
No one scored many touchdowns last season. They wore out MC's leg.
Leatherhead
June 05, 2023 at 12:32 pm
I would say that Jones and Dillon would both benefit from better blocking and more opportunities.
How many teams wish they could line up 2 guys at the RB spot who are both veterans, both stay healthy, both are available and dependable, they both hand onto the ball pretty well (although Jones has had some unfortunate fumbles).?
Last year, they scored 14 TDs and moved the ball 2500 yards on only 514 opportunities, that's a little over 30/game. I'm all in favor of keeping RBs from getting too beaten up, and keeping key guys healthy for the stretch run, but we should be giving both of these guys more opportunities. And it could be the last season in Green Bay for either of them or both of them, so there's no real reason not to run the tank empty.
Basic sandlot football: Give the ball to the best runner and everybody else block for him. Throw often enough that the defense has to look out for it, but keeping giving it to your best runner and put the best blockers you can in front of him. IMO, if I were running the Packers offense this year, that's what I'd aspire too.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 02:47 pm
I love this and the drafting of RB Lew Nichols III, who could help this season in providing a solid 3-Headed Monster type of attack in our running game.
Lew Nichols may wind up being more than your average, run of the mill R7 RB >>> 1848 yds rushing in a 2021. season where he averaged 29.3 touches/game.
*** Nichols III had 40 receptions on top of all of that in 2021 for 338 yds and an 8.5 ypc average and 2 TDs... I mean, Holy hell, LH. That goes right to you're talking about. All three of those RBs are quality receivers, as is Goodson, who I also really like.
I don't watch a lot of U Minnesota football, but my bud who was a former beat writer for the Packers, former UW English Professor whom I watched the draft with this year RAVED about Lew Nichols. The guy can block too.
My thinking is we are going to contend this season, and employing a very dedicated and well thought out plan using all 3 RBs would be really smart to protect Jones & Dillon a bit more for the playoffs.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 05, 2023 at 11:56 pm
Dobber, I'm thinking if the plan is to not keep #33 next year, then they run him to death this year. I've been thinking the exact opposite to preserve his career, but if the 6 deep current RB room shows promise, maybe this is an option.
A season of surprises ...
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 08:50 am
The biggest emergence this year will be none other than Matt Lafleur. This team will win the division and Lafleur will finally get the coach of the year award. Wouldnt be surprised if Watson and Musgrave are bonafide superstars by the end of the year either.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 09:20 am
Can you imagine the weight lifted off Matt LaFleur's shoulders? That works magic for any man. This season, LaFleur gets to call his scheme and games in the manner he so chooses, with the quarterback working diligently as an extension of the HC on the field, THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
Hey, I can see Matt LaFleur reestablishing himself, unencumbered in this 2023 season. With what Vegas marks as the NFL's 3rd easiest schedule? We might be in for a whole lotta fun.
I agree with you on both Watson & Musgrave too. Musgrave especially so, with all the single coverage he will see. They'll be doubling up Watson with Safety help for much of the first half of this season, until opposing Ds realize they can't. The firepower this Packers team now has on offense is immense.
Personally, I can't wait to see the Packers with Watson and Melton - both 4.3 speedsters - working together to shred the top off opposing defenses. Musgrave? OMG. He'll get so many open looks with that.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 10:03 am
What I envision is this team relentlessly running the shit out of the ball and then carving defenses up on playaction. Musgrave and Watson will be the 2 biggest beneficiaries of that approach.
Johnblood27
June 05, 2023 at 11:16 am
GG, I am as optimistic as anyone, but could you explain to me why you hype Melton so much?
He couldn't make the seabuzzards 53, he was sitting on their PS, got picked up by GB and sat on the PS. No snaps, no catches, no returns.
I like a young guy to emerge as much as anyone, but there must be some very real reasons why Rutgers best just didn't have the juice to turn his 4.3 speed into an asset that an NFL team could use.
Enlighten me...
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 11:32 am
You have a point, but there's a reason he's still around also. Maybe he used to drop too many? Elite speed counts I see why gg is excited about his potential.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 01:03 pm
Yeah, he's not a dropper, Steve. Quite the opposite!
His QB was so bad, minus screen passes, his Uncatchable Target Rate was the 7th worst in Power 5 over his entire 3 year career at Rutgers.
THAT's BAD QB Play!!
Despite that, he was very effective. Some people, including GMs, can't see past the stats. Some don't take them in entirely, and the conditions under which they present.
This is how good Gutekunst is, and I will guarantee today that Bo Melton makes our 53 man roster. He's going to be fun to watch, and I bet he makes a very positive impact on our Packers this season.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 12:44 pm
Absolutely, It would be a pleasure. Bo Melton (5-11 189 4.34, 38" vertical) is a diamond in the rough. Drafted by SEA in R7 2022 #229. Was waived at roster cutdowns and placed on their PS at the end of August last year. Gutekunst swiped him off their PS on December 27th and placed on our 53 man roster to protect him. Gutekunst does this late in seasons.
SEA's WR Room was loaded last year: DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Marquise Goodwin, Dwayne Eskridge, Penny Hart, Dareke Young, Cody Thompson. (We were fortunate that they PS'd Melton).
Melton's Dad played at Rutgers, so he comes from a football family.
I liked him to the Packers last year as a draft sleeper, knowing he wouldn't be drafted early because of the abysmally poor QB play Rutgers had in Melton's time there. QB Noah Vedral threw for only 1,823 yds in 2021. Melton caught 618 of those yards. Melton never had more than 700 yds. receiving at Rutgers.
THIS IS THE CATCH!: Despite that poor QB play, where Melton ranked #2 in FBS in Uncatchable Targets with 23 of them, he somehow was able to rank #19 in Power 5 in Deep Receptions with 15.
CONTEXT: Melton finished his career at Rutgers 3rd in team history with 56 games played, 6th with 164 receptions, 8th with 5 100 yd games, 10th with 2,011 receiving yards.
Taking out screen passes, Melton's Uncatchable Target Rate was the 7th worst in Power 5 over his 3 years span.
*** His separation was so good it was in the 86th percentile.
Melton shows good understanding of how to run routes and set up defensive backs and has some spectacular plays in his tape. A 4.34 40 at the combine showed he has legit speed as well.
*** Melton broke double-digit tackles in each of the last two seasons.
This was probably my biggest crush characteristic. TOUGHNESS. You don't do that without it.
Melton has great hands too, along with exceptional body control to adjust to errant throws, as exhibited by his deep receptions ranking. He's also a very savvy route runner with top field awareness. Melton has the strong hands any WR and QB would covet.
He has that knack for being a QB's best friend. The ball just needs to be in his area and he'll come down with it.
Despite poor QB play, he was voted the offensive MVP for Rutgers in 2021. In his time there he did everything. Quick hitches, deep over routes, double moves in routes, change of direction is extraordinary, very solid release against press coverage, can stack Ds, and able to quickly accelerate and turn on a dime. His separation abilities are natural. Has the nuance to manipulate leverage. Solid, willing blocker. TOUGH.
Gos. Posts. Corners. Hitches/stops. Outs. Slants. Digs. Nows. Smokes. Bubble/hitch-now & tunnel screens.
Great balance, hip sink. Effective. Great leverage.
*** He projects as one of those hard to get, super versatile Z WRs who can also work slot and Jet concepts (Melton was used a lot in motion). Jet motion touch passes, jet sweeps, reverses, pitches, etc. Also did some tight alignment stuff out of the backfield. He's got the head for all of this stuff that LaFleur wants to employ.
***Melton is also incredibly ELUSIVE RAC & YAC. A very fast accelerator with vision & burst. He was one of the top ranked WRs in his draft class in Yards After Contact. I can't recall the figure, but I know he was firmly in the Top 5-7 players there. Melton is not easy to bring down.
Great in contested catch situations. Has some experience as a returner too. Does a lot of the dirty work away from the ball as well. For a guy less than 6 ft. tall, he is a very willing blocker. He brings it. The football smarts he has is off the charts. Melton was a former 4 star recruit, and became a 2 year team Captain.
TEMPO
VARIETY
NUANCE
RELIABLE
TOUGH
JB, he couldn't be more perfect for what Matt LaFleur want to do offensively. Thought he'd be a great VALUE addition to the Packers. Adding Melton AND Reed??? WOW!!!
L to the freaking OL!!! hahahahah. Imagine what Bo Melton is going to do with all the dimes that land in his lap playing for the Packers with Jordan Love. THAT is why, my brother!!!
Here. Watch him in action at Rutgers...
https://youtu.be/l2eIo-CEm7E
We'll see.
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 01:03 pm
"For a guy less than 5 ft. tall," MAN! And I thought I didn't have the right tools to play football at the next level. LOL. No wonder he's on the PS.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 01:11 pm
HA! Thanks, Stevie!!! I corrected that. Too funny. I meant under 6 ft. tall. That was a lotta shit to throw together, but, all of it is why I'm so high on him.
I think that dude is going to explode onto the scene this season.
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 02:09 pm
Yah. I was just teasing cause you and like many others, put so much work into your posts.
Allot of fun and lessons. "CHTVOTAs".
Leatherhead
June 05, 2023 at 01:08 pm
Melton could be awesome, but he has some people to climb over first. You know me and math. Most of the passes that go to WRs go to our top three WR, and that's going to include Watson and Doubs. Then you've got Reed and Toure, when we need to play 3 WR or rest a guy for a play or two. That's the top 4 who are going to get 90+ percent of the WR targets.
After that, the next 4 WRs will fill out our roster and our practice squad. Right now, Melton is in that group along with Wicks and some others. These are guys who just get to practice and workout and get better until one of the Big 4 needs to be replaced. Then they'll be in the rotation, they'll be on the field. Eventually, they may be a target. It's a lot of stuff to go right.
Me? I'm hoping everybody stays healthy, and we target Watson and Doubs about 9 times a game, and we target Reed and Toure about 4 times. That's about 26 targets, not including the RBs or the TEs.
I can almost guarantee that it won't work out that way. So yeah , there's a pathway for these guys like Reed and Melton and Toure and Wicks, but I'm hoping it's Watson-Doubs.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 01:16 pm
Yep! I agree with all of this, Leatherhead. All of it.
I'm just really stoked about the team depth they've added at WR this offseason. It was necessary.
Coldworld
June 05, 2023 at 02:20 pm
Melton is interesting. He had some drops early in camp with Seattle and a period where injury held him back. In the end, it was pretty close and he was narrowly beaten out by another rookie freakishly athletic receiver and STer who can, like Melton, run well with ball in hand too, Dareke Young (who just happened to be my 7th round fave sleeper pick for the future last year).
Melton is seen by many fans as a slot only prospect, but actually has played a lot of Y and was most effective there in camp for Seattle. He is very sudden and he’s also as fast as his 4.34 second 40 suggests. This this year he probably would have gone in the 4th or 5th at the latest I suspect.
He does need to polish his route running and catching consistency, but he’s by no means short on potential. He’s a player that could surprise a lot of people this preseason if he stays healthy. A lock by no means, but definitely not a mere camp body in terms of potential.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 02:26 pm
Oh, yeah. I remember the Dareke Young stuff you shared. Wish we had him too. He's going to be a good one.
Johnblood27
June 05, 2023 at 03:58 pm
Thanks for your in depth reply GG.
I found myself wondering what we could get in a trade of C. Watson!
SicSemperTyrannis
June 06, 2023 at 12:09 am
GG, going back a comment where you were talking about RB Nichols. Isn't he the one who hasn't showed up to practice yet along with WR DeBose?
TxFred
June 05, 2023 at 09:04 am
No one is intimidated by Grey beards. Good to see. Players all are within a few age years of each other. Makes a big difference. In communications on and off the field.
GPG
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 09:12 am
I love this, TxFred. The shared youth at so many different positions on this team will lead to some exceptional team chemistry for the Packers in 2023, and that will only get better moving forward.
I'm right with you on that. Pretty exciting stuff.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 06, 2023 at 12:16 am
The fact that JL is right in the middle of this in terms of age and years with the team should really help this gel.
Spock
June 05, 2023 at 09:16 am
I never had (and still don't) have any interest in Fantasy Football. When it first came out I figured it was just a way of "easing into a transition" to legalized sports betting. I still believe that. I know people who were diehard Packer fans and changed after joining FF. To me that's sad.
Johnblood27
June 05, 2023 at 11:22 am
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Fascinating...
I wholeheartedly agree Spock. Many might say "Spock, are you out of your Vulcan mind?"
I tried FF for a few years back in the day, I found it engaged me more across the league, but distanced me from my extreme love for the GBP.
That was the end of FF for me.
My only team is Green Bay.
My only colors are Green and Gold.
I really do not want to even think about rooting for any player in purple, honolulu blue or whatever stupid color scheme duh bares trot out. Likewise for Dallas, SF, Seattle, Philly, Big Blew, on and on. Just no interest in it at all.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 06, 2023 at 12:25 am
Spock, I don't even know if betting is legal in WI but I see it online all the time and I immediately thought of "gateway drug" when a friend first explained fantasy football to me. Great minds think alike?
Hopefully our coaching staff is full of great minds developing these yutes into superstars ...
SensualInfluence
June 05, 2023 at 09:36 am
“No star power, no problem” is the same thing goofs were saying last year when the narrative was “This team doesn’t need a WR1”.
Well, we still don’t have an established WR1 and Rodgers is gone. Get ready for 3-14 kids. You’re a fool if you expect anything more.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
June 05, 2023 at 09:43 am
Were doooooooomed
Johnblood27
June 05, 2023 at 11:23 am
The BOOK Stimpy...
Well, what does it say?
It says...
We're DOOMED!!!
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 09:55 am
"THE FOOL" card is numbered "0," which is considered to be a number of unlimited potential. That card generally marks the beginning of a new journey, one filled with optimism and freedom from the constraints of life, and assholes like you.
The Upright Fool inspires courage, understanding that every day is a chance to open up new areas in one's life, bringing anticipation, wonder, awe and curiosity.
There can be no greater card in beginning new ventures, welcoming drastic new changes & energy. It marks a point where innovative ideas can be put into action.
Enjoy sucking on your reversed lemon.
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 10:21 am
Bingo gg!
Packers0808
June 05, 2023 at 10:33 am
More like 10-7 suck it up buttercup!
LambeauPlain
June 05, 2023 at 11:07 am
Thanks for the "analysis" and calling anyone who does not support your 3-14 negativity as a "fool".
When the Packers go 4-13 or better...you become the fool. Enjoy your tiny corner, wet paint all around you.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 06, 2023 at 12:35 am
Personally, I'm not worried if that does happen; as long as everybody gives 100% effort every down, every game I think this team will be dominant by 2025 anyway. Hopefully we don't need to replace any key positions and next year's draft is trading up for best in class at the rare position of need.
Coldworld
June 05, 2023 at 10:12 am
Stars are either ridiculously overhyped college stars already awarded spots in Canton by the National media (very few) or the salient characteristic is that they’ve been around quite a while, to a point where there best years are sometimes behind them.
So, with our longest tenured catchers just going into their second season, the fact that the national media doesn’t cite them as stars is hardly surprising or even interesting. What is is their upside and whether they can reach it—the future, which is when we next will be playing.
Other than Bakh, the three most obvious candidates to be stars—league leaders—are all on D. Gary, Clark and particularly Alexander. Gary was ascending but is coming off an ACL, Clark had a mediocre season and so did Alexander and all play from Barry, who is not exactly a media tip to star as a defensive guru. That’s enough together to write them off, as is the limited play time from Bakh and uncertainty about durability. I’m not ignoring Jones, but he plays in a 2 back system.
Not surprising, not very interesting and completely irrelevant.
Packers0808
June 05, 2023 at 10:31 am
78 years old today and why anyone has time for Fantasy Football is beyond me. Even at my age I have no time or interest in such things. But each to their own. Have been a Packer fan since 1958 and do believe with the rookies and young players Packers have a bright future, think Watson could end up being quite special barring injuries!
Johnblood27
June 05, 2023 at 11:25 am
Happy Birthday 0808!
Keep on keepin on!
dobber
June 05, 2023 at 12:56 pm
Have a fun one!
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 01:08 pm
YAY! Happy Birthday to you, Packers0808!!! You ROCK!!!
Dragon5
June 05, 2023 at 02:01 pm
Packers0808 born 06-05-1945 = 1 life path Rooster
Full of piss & vinegar, resist tempting your aggressive 1LP rooster mentality until the Super Bowl; instead lay low in your enemy year and don't make huge changes / committments until your enemy year passes after Feb 09, 2024. You appreciate freedom more than others--to do as you please with your adventures and time. Age gets the best of us, but you are still likely one handsome fella. In your younger days, other gents were wise to not pick a fight with you. You likely have a strong disdain for slow pace and disorganization. You are captivated by quick adaptation and love to be entertained (you get bored easily). You've now entered a personal 9 year...9 energy is adaptable, 9 energy speaks of endings / completion. You are likely to notice these themes until your 79th. Be well fellow Packer cohort!
Spock
June 07, 2023 at 09:41 am
Happy birthday Packers0808. My 69th birthday was a few days ago (June 4th). Hope I'm still around for my 78th birthday and still keeping busy like you. Funny how busy your life can be when you are retired! :)
stockholder
June 05, 2023 at 10:41 am
I say it is a problem.
Because No matter how you wish it.
Jordan Love can't do what Rodger's could!
Come to Play? Sure they will.
But when Loves actions speak Louder than results.
The end result is always the same,
The fight will be lack luster; Save it!
Because the best teams always Expose the Bad.
And I doubt anybody will be satisfied.
The Questions must be answers.
The Dream is to win at all costs.
But when you save yourself.
You can wave good bye to more than Rodgers.
T7Steve
June 05, 2023 at 10:58 am
You answered your question yourself.
stockholder
June 05, 2023 at 11:34 am
eh?
Packers0808
June 05, 2023 at 11:53 am
Would be nice to say something relevant on your part just once. Risible here!
barutanseijin
June 05, 2023 at 12:06 pm
“Die Fragereien müssen die Antworten sein.”
Good stuff, SH. Have you been reading Rilke?
Leatherhead
June 05, 2023 at 01:12 pm
The beauty of slowly losing your marbles is that you can read things like this and forget about them by the time you've finished.
greengold
June 05, 2023 at 02:16 pm
Wha? Huh?
Dragon5
June 05, 2023 at 11:41 am
Avoid the ROOSTERS...
QB: DAK
TE: KITTLE
RB: DRAKE, GORDON, MCKISSIC
WR: KUPP, DIGGS, EVANS, THOMAS, A.ROBINSON, COOKS, SHEPARD, GOLLADAY, CROWDER, PATRICK, ANDERSON
Shy away from P7s relative to their birthday...
QB: DAK7-29, COUSINS8-19, STAFFORD, MAYFIELD 4-14
TE: n/a
RB: BARKLEY2-9, COOK8-10, ETIENNE JR1-26, HALL5-31, WILSON JR11-16
WR: ADAMS12-24, AJ BROWN6-30, DJ MOORE4-14, WADDLE11-25
seek the CATS on value basis...
QB: FIELDS, LAWRENCE
TE: KMET, OTTON, MCBRIDE
RB: AKERS, GAINWELL, HUBBARD
WR: JEFFERSON, WATSON, LAMB, JEUDY, ST BROWN, BATEMAN, DAVIS, COLLINS, ATWELL, PHILLIPS
Take into account what an injured QB does to RB/WR potential & vice versa.
AKERS & WATSON could be steals of '23 FF drafts....DAK=bubonic plague for '23
Cheers