5 Free Agents Who Could Help the Packers In 2023
Green Bay has to open up $ 16 million in cap space before adding players
Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunt has been much more willing than his predecessor, Ted Thompson, to find players in free agency. Even though he is not a big spender, except for the 2019 offseason, Gutekunst has been able to sign important pieces to the roster. And that's why it's feasible to suggest potential free agents that would make sense for the Packers.
Looking at the projected roster for 2023, wide receiver, tight end, edge depth, and safety are the biggest needs. Therefore, let's talk about potential fits for the Packers — and realistic targets, because it's impossible for Green Bay, considering the salary cap woes, for them to sign multiple big names.
WR Mecole Hardman
Last contract: 4-year, $ 5 million with the Chiefs (rookie contract)
When I started writing this, my idea was to put DJ Chark here as the wide receiver option. And he is a decent alternative, to be fair. Chark is 6-4, 205 lbs, and has speed and blocking abilities, all things the Packers love in wide receivers. But his skill set is too similar to what Christian Watson already brings to the table with a much higher ceiling. So I decided to change and add Mecole Hardman, who's an intriguing offensive weapon — and with a skill set the Packers offense doesn't have. Hardman is pretty fast and quick, besides having a great ability to add yards after the catch. He also has horizontal speed, with the Chiefs used frequently with jet motions and end arounds. Hardman could be a solid slot receiver, while Watson and Doubs play outside. As Watson is the only fast receiver the Packers have, it would be imperative to add another one. Moreover, Hardman is also a punt returner — which would be good, even if the Packers re-sign Keisean Nixon, who's better as a kickoff returner.
Mecole Hardman is the player I want the #Cowboys to add this offseason.
He ranks in the 95th percentile among all WRs in separation percentage vs. single coverage (since 2020) via @PFF https://t.co/EK633O2Zcw
— Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) January 30, 2023
TE Hayden Hurst
Last contract: 1-year, $ 3.5 million with the Bengals
To understand how much the Baltimore Ravens loved Hayden Hurst coming out of South Carolina, they drafted him in the first round before getting Lamar Jackson seven picks later. He ended up leapfrogged by Mark Andrews, but Hurst is still a solid and complete tight end. He was later traded to the Atlanta Falcons, and last offseason signed a one-year deal to replace CJ Uzomah for the Bengals. You might argue that it would be easier to just keep Robert Tonyan, but Hurst blocks much better and has been more effective even as a receiver, which theoretically is Tonyan's calling card. Both players are effectively playing in the NFL since 2018 — Tonyan was undrafted in 2017, but his first regular season game came in his second season. Since then, Hurst has 1,607 yards and 14 touchdowns. Tonyan has 1,437 yards and 17 touchdowns (11 of them in the 2020 season).
Hayden Hurst with the hurdle! pic.twitter.com/M6leDDYghB
— Famously Garnet Sports (@FamouslyGarnet) January 22, 2023
S Jabrill Peppers
Last contract: 1-year, $ 2 million with the Patriots
Peppers had a promising start of his career for the Cleveland Browns, but ups and downs were frequent. He was involved in the Odell Beckham Jr. trade and ended up with the New York Giants. Last season, he signed a one-year, prove-it deal with the New England Patriots. Even though he's a backup behind Devin McCourty and Kyle Dugger, Peppers played pretty well and was an important rotational piece for Bill Belichick.
The Packers already have Darnell Savage under contract, and it's possible that they'll re-sign Adrian Amos and Rudy Ford. However, considering how deficient the position was for Green Bay in 2022, adding a solid veteran could be a smart solution. Peppers can cover, but his most important characteristic is to play inside the box, which could help the Packers run defense.
🚨 PICK-6 ALERT!
Jabrill Peppers takes it to the 🏠#WASvsNYG
(via @Giants)
— PFF (@PFF) September 29, 2019
EDGE Arden Key
Last contract: 1-year, $ 4 million with the Jaguars
The Packers have Rashan Gary and Preston Smith, so there's no immediate need for a starter. However, Gary injured his knee and it's yet to be known when he returns. Kingsley Enagbare is a promising player, but it would be good to have a veteran to play at the edge — especially because if everyone is healthy, it would be nice to have a four-man rotation. Key was a backup in Jacksonville, behind first overall pick Travon Walker and Josh Allen. But he played at a good level, finishing the season with a higher PFF grade and more sacks than the rookie. After a slow start of his career for the Raiders, Key played for the San Francisco 49ers in 2021 and the Jaguars in 2022, combining 11 sacks in two years.
K Dustin Hopkins or Cameron Dicker
Last contract: Hopkins 3-year, $ 9 million; Dicker 1-year, $ 905,000; both with the Chargers
The Los Angeles Chargers live in an interesting situation. They had a solid veteran in Dustin Hopkins, with a long career playing for Washington. However, he suffered a hamstring injury last season and was replaced by undrafted rookie Cameron Dicker, who had already had short stints for the Rams, Ravens, and Eagles during the season. Dicker played at a high level, though, and was selected to the PFWA All-Rookie Team. Now, Dicker is an exclusive-rights free agent, which means the Chargers can bring him back for the minimum. So it's fair to expect that Hopkins will be released to save money, and in this case he would be automatically an interesting choice for the Packers, considering Mason Crosby hasn't played well for two years, is a free agent and might even retire. If the Chargers decide to keep Hopkins, Dicker would be a good young option trying to establish a long-term kicker.
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Comments (102)
WestCoastPackerBacker
January 31, 2023 at 10:31 am
I'm not sure about the concentration on pure speed, and saying other than Watson, GB has no speed at the position. Here's the 40 times of a few names who wore the green and gold:
Watson 4.36
MVS 4.37
Janis 4.42
Cobb 4.46
Adams 4.47
Nelson 4.51
Well Doubs at 4.52 is 1/100 second slower than Jordy Nelson, who was the Packers speed guy for several seasons. And Samori Toure is even faster at 4.43, between Jeff Janis and Davante Adams. I'm not saying Hardman might not be a good pickup, but GB definitely has drafted for spped.
Coldworld
January 31, 2023 at 12:59 pm
If I was going all out for speed, I wouldn’t pay FA money. We can’t pay what MVS is getting now, and that’s his thing. I would draft speed if that is the main objective. What we can’t do is plan around a core of slow (short and long). We can only carry one player at most in the current Cobb/Lazard mold. Personally, I’d try to have none in my starting group. Lazard is great, but that really needs to be a TE function in my view, if we are going to have a dynamic receiving group out there regularly.
WestCoastPackerBacker
January 31, 2023 at 04:38 pm
Well Lazard's 40 time was 4.55 and there's James Jones, an incredibly productive WR for GB with a 40 time of 4.59. Lazard is decently fast for his size. Going by this demand speed for the starters, neither Jordy Nelson or James jones would have started. You need speed and you need possession receivers and those that do well on YAC, which Jones and Jordy both did well.
Coldworld
January 31, 2023 at 06:29 pm
Jones always seemed faster than his time, Lazard has long speed to a degree, but not much burst. Either way he gets separation by brain cells not burning defenders when he does.
4thand10
January 31, 2023 at 06:43 pm
I hope they keep lazard, just for the fact that he punishes DBs and flat out bullies them. Usually it requires 2 to tackle him…so Im more than ok with him being a #3 or 4. Plus I think he knows every route tree…I still look at him as an accenting player. I do want a gadget guy like a CD Lamb or Deebo type player just to force defenses to exert more effort.
Jwest88
January 31, 2023 at 06:53 pm
Sorry, first time poster...replied to the wrong post.
Don't forget we had a late season pick up, Bo Melton. Melton and Watson were training together for the combine, apparently they are both in 4.3 40 time range. Don't know much about this kid, hope he has good hands. We could have 2 field stretchers. Food for thought.
Jwest88
January 31, 2023 at 06:46 pm
Don't forget we had a late season pick up, Bo Melton. Melton and Watson were training together for the combine, apparently they are both in 4.3 40 time range. Don't know much about this kid, hope he has good hands. We could have 2 field stretchers. Food for thought.
PatrickGB
January 31, 2023 at 10:38 am
I would not be against any of the above. But first we have to get under the salary cap. I suppose that some of our players will be gone and some contracts redone, yet that still leaves little or nothing to spend.
tincada
January 31, 2023 at 10:39 am
"Gutekunst has been able to sign important pieces to the roster." Great, please name all those FAs that are still with the team and how many aren't. Your take on the 10 to 15$Mil needed for these guys on is based on Guteman digging out of the 20 $Mill GB is over the cap on and then somehow coming up with your projected -$10 /15 mil leaving nothing for draft picks and other contracts that need to be tweaked. May I suggest you burn your abacus and realize GB needs to dump AR, oh another great play Gutman and Murf made. Goodluck.
PackerAaron
January 31, 2023 at 11:30 am
Amos was an important signing as were both Smiths. Keisean Nixon was pretty important. Just because every guy they've signed wasn't given a lifetime contract that ends with induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame doesn't mean they weren't good signings.
MainePackFan
January 31, 2023 at 11:52 am
Not to mention that Douglas and Campbell and several others were on the team at the end of the year, and may be next year.
WestCoastPackerBacker
January 31, 2023 at 04:40 pm
Z Smith, P Smith, Amos, Nixon, Rasul Douglas, Devondre Campbell. GB isn't often in on the really big names because they pay their own talent very well and they often can't compete with teams with crap rosters and huge salary cap space.
cdoemel
February 01, 2023 at 06:01 pm
Hater Nothing the Packers do will be enough for you. Unfortunately we have to tolerate you guys. Sigh.
dobber
February 02, 2023 at 07:45 am
Don't feed the troll.
mrtundra
January 31, 2023 at 11:06 am
Any FA move would be dictated by Gute's & Ball's cap room and by what Rodgers decides to do. Also, it will be dictated by who stays and who leaves GB, no matter what Rodgers decides. The draft needs should also say a lot about what we can do in FA. If Lazard actually leaves, we will definitely need to pick up a WR, somewhere. Jones, Big Dog, Bakhtiari, Cobb and Tonyan could all hang it up, as well. Lots to think about, in the FO.
albert999
January 31, 2023 at 11:07 am
https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-draft-five-standouts-from-day-1-of-202...
BirdDogUni
January 31, 2023 at 11:33 am
Tavion Thomas, RB, Utah
I've been an admirer from afar. Was hoping we could draft him in the 7th round or bring in as a priority UDFA, but if he's making noise already, we'll likely have to use a higher pick on him if we want him.
PackyCheese500
January 31, 2023 at 01:37 pm
He is kind of like a Dillon, though, and we already have a Dillon
Packman60
January 31, 2023 at 11:15 am
I think Hurst would be the priority out of all the options listed. Tonyan looked like he hasn't fully recovered from his injury. The Packers will need to draft a TE day 1 or 2. Rookie tight ends have historically had a harder time adjusting to the pro game than players at other positions. A dependable veteran who can both block and be a strong outlet in the passing game will be critical for the Pack in "23".
ImaPayne
January 31, 2023 at 12:31 pm
Tonyan is a blocker who can sometimes catch a pass if they let him. This team does not use tight ends like other teams, our tight ends block to make up for those 3, 4 5 round picks who arent that good.
marpag1
February 01, 2023 at 01:36 am
It's hard to read past the comment that "Tonyan is a blocker" but if you do, you find that the comment gets even worse. LOL.
HawkPacker
January 31, 2023 at 01:47 pm
I would not be surprised to see Gute draft 2 TE's this year.
jannesbjornson
January 31, 2023 at 02:04 pm
They could have bagged him last season for fair $, now his price tag moved up. Dalton Schultz from Dallas could be a target, but I would bag 2-3 TEs from this deep class and design an offense around them. Back to WCO fundamentals.
BirdDogUni
January 31, 2023 at 11:27 am
"Green Bay has to open up $ 16 million in cap space before adding players"
That'll be %'in fun. Can't wait to push more money into the future to add a player that won't make a difference and keep us in cap hell...
If the FO wants to win a Super Bowl, they better have a damn good 3 - Year Plan. We used to be a draft and develop team and now we're a spend money we don't have and hope for the best team.
Instead of signing FAs this year, who will likely be gone when we need them for an actually Super Bowl run, lets trade who and what we can for all the draft capital we can, for this year, next year, and the year after that.
Call me crazy, but I see no possible way AR12 isn't traded this year, (but, I said it last year too, and we all know how that turned out.)
FO needs to get back to work and forget the we're a Super Bowl team now thinking. We're not, so how do we get back to being a serious contender? From the ground up.
Improve the OL, DL, and Pass Rush. Watching the last four teams in the tourney last weekend, it is more than apparent than ever, you have to win in the trenches to even have a chance at a Super Bowl, unless the refs step in and offer an alternative.
Our OL isn't good enough. Our DL isn't good enough, and our Pass Rush damned sure isn't good enough. Yes, we have some very nice pieces, but we don't have a team. I fear our coaching staff just isn't good enough, no matter who we sign in Free Agency.
If we do end up trading AR12, I pray the FO goes forward with a 3 year rebuild as we go type philosophy, instead of throwing good money after bad and signing guys now, we can't afford and will be gone sooner rather than later. I love how Gutey finds guys that were on the scrap heap and they come in and fill a void. We need to do that instead of signing a premiere FA with money we just don't have.
Or not.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 12:08 pm
It would be strange for the Packers to sign Hardman from the Chiefs a season after letting MVS go to the Chiefs from the Packers.
Not only did MVS rise to the occasion for the Chiefs in this past AFC Championship Game with 6 catches for 116 yards and a touchdown, he also rose to the occasion for the Packers in the recent 2021 NFC Championship Game against the Bucs with 4 catches for 115 yards and a touchdown.
Hmm . . . a player who actually excels in big games . . . .
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It seemed silly, if not ridiculous, to sign Aaron Rodgers for such gigantic money before this past season but to not sign either Davante Adams or MVS (Marquez Valdes-Scantling).
When Adams left, signing MVS was all the more important for continuity at wide receiver in what was supposed to be a run to the Super Bowl.
At that point, MVS was the only proven veteran other than Allen Lazard at that position who was in the prime of his career, and knew the Packers offense, and was familiar to Aaron Rodgers.
It seems a stunning incongruity to go all in with Rodgers at about $50 million per season and not sign MVS at a fraction of the cost at about $10 million.
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In the perspective of the article here at CHTV yesterday about the competency of Packers management, it doesn't seem that an explanation from our execs was ever given as to why we didn't sign MVS.
Perhaps it's the right of management to be untransparent and not tell us rubes their brilliant secret strategies in the inscrutable complexity of their Byzantine administration.
However, it's our right to call them out for stupidity. If they don't deign to explain things, we must go by whatever information and observation we can muster in evaluating the Packers' brass.
We the fans can raise an uproar in the way the Packers are being operated, and that can cause change.
Without the fans, however lowly we may be perceived, there is no NFL.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 12:48 pm
An impressive array of receptions for MVS, all for first downs or a touchdown, in a huge game. In other words, not just a deep threat with no agility on the catch and no ability to run after the catch:
https://sports.yahoo.com/every-catch-marquez-valdes-scantlings-034032309...
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 12:59 pm
He had a very nice game. What about the rest of the year?
FYI...he had 1 catch for 6 yards the week before.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 01:31 pm
That one catch the week before was for a touchdown.
As to the larger question, my impression is that MVS wasn't utilized fully by the Packers with the overemphasis on Davante-vision.
With the Chiefs, it seems MVS was one of a vast array of talented pass catchers at wide receiver and running back and tight end for a diversified potency, with the superstar Travis Kelce as the focus.
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The key is to see talent and character before others see it.
MVS has shown all the skills of a wide receiver on the biggest of stages.
Also consider that if the most creative and prolific of offenses in the NFL -- the Kansas City Chiefs -- thought MVS worthy of his contract, then isn't that a strong endorsement, indeed.
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It's harder to evaluate Amari Rodgers than it was MVS with the Packers, but I am concerned that he might emerge as a worthy wide receiver elsewhere in the NFL after the Packers almost never looked his way for receptions.
Already, with the Texans, he showed marked improvement.
I'm not confident about Aaron Rodgers getting the most out of most of his teammates.
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In a relevant matter, and I could be mistaken, it seems Romeo Doubs said last week he had no interaction with Rodgers outside of team activities -- from training camp in August all the way until the end of the regular season in January.
If Rodgers isn't going to go out of his way to nurture young wide receivers -- on the field and off the field -- then all the more reason to keep MVS and Lazard.
By the time the Packers offense began to click in the latter half of this season, the team was 4-8. We rallied to finish 8-9 and miss the playoffs by only one game.
What if Rodgers had really worked diligently with his new wide receivers in the offseason, or at least the preseason?
I suspect he did not. I suspect Rodgers falls far short as a leader and a teammate. I suspect Rodgers is a poison who has sickened the entire roster of the Packers with a miasmic ego causing widespread malaise.
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Again, if the Packers players and coaches and executives are not forthcoming about the workings of the team on the field and off, I can only go with my best information and observation -- including, but not limited to, Rodgers' body language and facial expressions and overall gestures on television during games (and the resulting comments by other fans here at CHTV).
It's truly sad to say, but it appears the arrogant Rodgers has become, over the years, a loser as a leader. In that case, all the other stuff he does as a quarterback is ultimately fruitless.
This is the hard truth Rodgers needs to harken to in order to finish his decrescendo of a career on an upnote. I hope he does so.
MainePackFan
January 31, 2023 at 03:41 pm
Swisch, did you watch the clip of the interview? Like so many Aaron Rodgers stories, this one is nothing but overblown clickbait. There was no malice from Romeo.
I tried find the whole interview, but could only find clips. Half a which were cut off before Romeo spoke about the team Halloween party, which he said "That was fun" (intentionally I'm sure). It was just another nothingburger used to make Rodgers look bad.
Maybe Rodgers should have taken a door off a spare room, and invited Romeo over for some beer pong and Chinese food. Maybe hang out and talk about hitting on some chicks.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 05:25 pm
I appreciate your perspective, Maine, as I came in at the end of the story regarding Doubs.
Maybe it's no big deal.
I'm concerned, though, with Rodgers maybe not really embracing his role as a leader of young men and not going beyond the minimum in nurturing them -- even at a humongous salary that dwarfs those of his teammates.
Rodgers won't even play in the preseason to get in tune with his rookie wide receivers if it's his choice, which I'm guessing it is over the choice of his head coach.
I'm wondering if Rodgers watches much film, and in general how dedicated he is to his craft of quarterback.
Is his dedication to football diminishing even as his ego increases?
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Again, a good journalism corps would investigate such questions like hound dogs, instead of perhaps approaching Rodgers like lap dogs.
I suggest that at least we as fans ask the hard questions, and do our best to sift out the answers.
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I'd like CHTV to be somewhat more edgy -- staff and fans -- without being rude.
Politely edginess is a good thing if done for the well-being of all concerned. It's no favor to Rodgers to abide his bad behavior.
I don't care all that much if the Packers players and coaches and executives love or hate CHTV as a result. If they're fair, they'll respect and appreciate our edginess if we are fair.
As it is, I think people with the Packers are afraid to speak out lest they incur the wrath of Rodgers and the displeasure of his enablers in management.
The players will be glad for fans speaking up on their behalf, or so it seems to me. They appreciate fans who care about them as not only players, but persons.
They can even correct us if we're on the wrong track.
MainePackFan
January 31, 2023 at 06:12 pm
Swisch, you know I have much respect for you. Honestly, you seem to be a really good dude.
However, I fear your obsession to blame Rodgers for everything that is wrong with the Packers is creating an unhealthy environment for you. For your sake, I hope the Packers trade him. Take a second and read your post.
Do you really believe this...?
"I'm wondering if Rodgers watches much film, and in general how dedicated he is to his craft of quarterback.
Is his dedication to football diminishing even as his ego increases?"
God Bless you my friend.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 06:31 pm
Well, it seems a fair question, and it seems to be a question raised by Colin Cowherd, whom I like as a sports commentator.
Cowherd would appear to have a lot of sources named and unnamed, although I don't watch him most of the time he is on the air, only occasionally.
He's the best on the sports talk shows that I'm aware of -- and I respect his opinion, agree or disagree.
Maine, do you really get the impression Rodgers is dedicated to football as much as other NFL quarterbacks, as much as Rodgers himself was earlier in his career.
I admit to not knowing. It's a fair question, though, not an unhealthy obsession of unfairness, or casual meanness.
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The huge question of the Packers is Aaron Rodgers and whether he's doing more harm than good with the team, especially at his massive salary. He's the main guy, for better or worse.
Again, I glad to say my comments may be way wrong -- and I hope they are -- but so far, I've never heard compelling reasons to the contrary, convincing me that Rodger is the stellar leader we want for the Packers.
Instead, he seems troubled, and thus causing trouble for the Packers. If so, I want with all my heart for Rodgers to turn things around for the better.
MainePackFan
January 31, 2023 at 06:52 pm
Lol. To me, Colin Cowherd is slightly above Skip Bayless/Shannon Sharpe, and Mile Florio on my biggest blowhard money sucking I would rather go to the dentist than listen to them useless waste of oxygen list. Your mileage may vary ;)
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 08:28 pm
I'd be glad to know who other people listen to for sports insights, and especially Packers insights.
I do like Cowherd, though.
As I said, I tune into his television show only now and then -- but more so of late.
In any case, I try to be careful as to what I believe, and careful about the opinions I express, however strongly.
4thand10
January 31, 2023 at 06:54 pm
I agree….and I watched Amari high point a ball with 2 DBs stealing his pocket change and make a TD catch. The problem is Rodgers…the antics, the trust BS…Mahomes has zero issues throwing to MVS. And whomever mentioned “Devantevision” was spot on. And whomever the QB was that threw the TD to Amari was a bit off and he high pointed it and scored anyway. He caught passes from love and ran some nice reverses during the pre season…and yet they insisted on beating a dead horse keeping him on STs
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 12:55 pm
MVS scored 2 TDs in 17 games this past year. He scored 3 the year before with GB. He's scored exactly 15 in his 5 year NFL career. If you think that warrants a 3yr/30million dollar contract, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
crayzpackfan
January 31, 2023 at 01:37 pm
13- His rookie replacement, Watson went 41 catches for 611yds -14.9 per catch and 7 TD's. All this after missing preseason and a handful of games this year. The best part? We got that production without paying 10 million a year. KC can have him.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 01:50 pm
It wouldn't have been crazy to have both MVS and Watson, don't you think?
Wasn't this past season supposed to have been an all-in run to the Super Bowl?
Wasn't Allen Lazard the only other veteran wide receiver in his prime on the Packers roster?
Wasn't too much emphasis placed on wide receivers too young and too old to serve the Packers well?
Wasn't it a fiasco of a passing game that fans should call out as such?
Wasn't the savings of $10 million for letting go of MVS pennywise and pound foolish?
P.S. Or, perhaps, did MVS ditch the Packers because he was underappreciated by the Packers, largely ignored by Rodgers and overlooked by management? Were the Packers execs and coaches cluelessly caught off guard by possible disenchantment from both Davante and MVS? In the appeasement of Rodgers, were others feeling left out and in a hurry to leave?
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 02:02 pm
Teams only have so much money to allocate for each position. They didn't have $30 million to give to MVS and his 3 TDs a year. It's really not any more complicated than that. Whether he was feeling "underappreciated", I have no idea. You'd have to ask him. He didn't "ditch" the Packers. He went to the highest bidder. Good for him.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 02:12 pm
We don't really know about the motives of MVS -- and like a lot of other things regarding the management of the Packers -- it seems no one has really sought to ask.
As fans who are loyal but still feisty, we can ask why the aged and arrogant quarterback gets a staggering $50 million per season, while the promising and apparently cooperative young wide receiver can't get $10 million?
It seems disproportionately bonkers to me, and at the very least we should call it out for the good of the Packers, and those who care about the Packers.
What do others think?
Coldworld
January 31, 2023 at 02:35 pm
We wanted him back and said so, and he said he wanted to stay, but he was offered more (likely considerably more). Interestingly less than Lazard supposedly is in line for. I don’t blame him for taking it. We are bargain basement types at the moment and he wasn’t in that range. We were and are shedding talent despite selling our future to minimize it to keep Rodgers, and now, even if we don’t actually. MVS was a casualty of our leaderships delusion.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 03:21 pm
Lavish on Rodgers, cheap on his best returning wide receiver in MVS.
Not the stuff of which Super Bowl titles are made, but indeed delusional in its contradiction.
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In relation to and affirming of a comment of yours recently, Coldworld, what the fans say can make a difference.
I recently saw a story from elsewhere that said Aaron Jones was upset about a story that was headlined along the lines of three reasons not to keep him on the Packers.
The story didn't mention CHTV by name -- which seems an unprofessional omission -- but it seemed clear it was almost certainly in reference to a piece at CHTV.
Apparently, our star running back has been following CHTV -- and I hope still does -- which apparently he has liked a lot until that piece.
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By the way, it's fair in general to discuss whether or not to keep Jones.
I'm strongly in favor of it, but there are good points for and against -- with no slight to Jones, who seems widely admired by fans here at CHTV for his performance and his character, perhaps unanimously so.
Know that we are glad for you, Aaron! I like to think in general we care about Jones as a player and a person, regardless of our views on whether it's advisable for him to stay.
Arguing for and against regarding the Packers is what makes CHTV very good. More feisty but still fair discussion from both staff writers and fans would make CHTV great.
A healthy skepticism is not to be confused with cynicism and incivility. A healthy skepticism is necessary for a good democracy, as well as happy and healthy consumers in the marketplace.
CHTV seems the only place online where fans are active in commenting about the Packers. Let's collaborate to challenge the management of the team in a robust but respectful way.
It's not ultimately about tearing down the Packers, but building them up -- for their sakes and ours. There is indeed a need for tough love and hard truth in this world, if it comes from kindness.
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 05:00 pm
"MVS was a casualty of our leaderships delusion."
We replaced a $10 million dollar WR with a much, MUCH cheaper rookie who performed better and has a much, MUCH higher upside. Not quite understanding how that was a casualty or a delusion.
I understand you'll never give the FO credit for anything, but that was a decision that worked out quite well for GB.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 05:33 pm
We could've had both in what was supposed to be a Super Bowl season.
Watson didn't excel until the second half of the season, and that turned out to be too late.
If MVS was around, I think the Packers win more games in the beginning of the season.
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I give the front office credit for a lot, almost everything is assembling the current roster of great promise. Its fatal flaw is groveling before Aaron Rodgers, which poisons all of the good to incapacity.
Rodgers could be good with the current roster, but he's being enabled to be the worst of himself instead of the best of himself.
That's sad for all concerned, including us as fans.
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 05:44 pm
That was directed at your buddy Coldworld, not you.
And, no, we could not have had both. GB did not have the cap space to sign MVS to a $30 million dollar contract that he didn't deserve anyway, as witnessed by his 2 TD season in KC.
Let's just agree to disagree on this, ok? Enjoy your evening Swisch.
Coldworld
January 31, 2023 at 06:36 pm
You need more than 1. WR. I suppose, since he’s a burner you can argue that Watson replaced MVS, but more rationally he was hoped to be Adams‘ replacement as the number one in time. Doubs and Watkins were probably the attempt to get a sub for MVS as defacto number 2. Either way, Watkins was a bust and Doubs and Watson were unfortunately rarely healthy together. We could have used MVS valuably this year, were we not so cap penurious.
Thegreatreynoldo
February 01, 2023 at 07:55 am
KC has Juju as a UFA. As a #2 WR, he will probably get $14M to $16M. I think that's a little high for him as he has some inconsistency in his stats. 58 yard per game this year.
MVS is a #3 WR who also is a deep threat. Having a true deep threat (like Mike Wallace years ago) is a useful piece. I thought he was worth $7M to $9M. He got 3/$10M, but if you look at his contract, it is 2 years, $18M ($9M AAV) with $2M dead. Small signing bonus. If he blossoms, KC has an option on a third season at $12M. A little high but it was not outrageous.
I am guessing with the cap increases upcoming that a #3 WR (defines as a proven player who can get 550 to 750 yards) will command $9M to $12M. Could be off. Not a good year for free agent WRs.
I am figuring Lazard will get $10M to $11.5M AAV. We shall see.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 02:06 pm
Let's get real about the possible dysfunction of the Packers organization.
Let's drill down to the nub of the possible problems (as Coldworld, as at least one example, admirably endeavors to do).
With the Packers execs not all that communicative with the fans, it seems, let's make our best observations and offer our best insights.
We realize we can be wrong, but let's challenge the status quo of power on the Packers.
We'll try hard to be fair, but at the same time not excuse the powers-that-be too easily.
We can ask the hard questions and make our best educated guesses, and in doing so hold the honchos of the Packers accountable.
Maybe the word gets around. Maybe the execs and coaches actually start to answer the hard questions. Maybe they are finally forced out of town if they don't respond to reasonable requests from the fans who do indeed pay their salaries.
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If we care about the Packers, let's investigate the Packers with a group dynamic of collaborative thinking, not compliant groupthink and head nodding. It seems no one else is doing it, so why don't we?
Isn't democracy about acknowledging that we the people have some real wisdom when we aspire to the best of ourselves individually and as a community.
With regard to the Packers, we at least have the power of the purse to contend with an apparently aloof administration that is causing the downfall of our beloved team.
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 02:18 pm
Wow, that went off the rails rather quickly. I thought we were just discussing the pros and cons of offering MVS $30 million this past offseason.
I'll leave it up to you and Coldworld to spearhead that "let's investigate the Packers with a group dynamic of collaborative thinking, not compliant groupthink and head nodding." I wish you all the best with that.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 03:28 pm
You're welcome to join us, 13TimeChamps, especially if you want to update your screen name anytime soon to 14TimeChamps.
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 04:08 pm
I'll pass, but thanks anyway. I know this will almost come across as sacrilegious on this site, but between my lovely wife, grown kids and now awesome grandkiddies, I actually don't sit around all day thinking about the Green Bay Packers.
With nothing but good intentions intended, I highly recommend finding other things to occupy your mind as well. Just earlier today, my oldest granddaughter and I were discussing an upcoming camping trip and how much she wants me to teach her how to fish.
This may come as a shock to you, but the Packers going 8-9 this past season actually doesn't portend the end of the western civilization as we know it. Believe me, we'll survive.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 04:58 pm
It's called a hobby.
Following the Packers and commenting on them doesn't preclude living a full and balanced life, but can enhance such a life.
As Vince Lombardi told his players to be proud of their profession, so too is it worthwhile to root for the Packers, an historically great franchise that does represent the best of America -- being positively influenced by its fans in Wisconsin and other fine places, and in turn uplifting us.
If you come here to CHTV, anyway, 13TimeChamps, why not do it with more sizzle in holding the Packers' brass accountable for its decisions.
To put it another way, be as hard on Murphy and Gute and LaFleur and Rodgers as you are on me ;-).
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Having said that, I'm really happy for you having a good family to focus on, which is much more important than football, although football is a good thing to share with family.
God bless, 13TimeChamps, for a great life cherishing your family. God is good. We are his beloved family, and he blesses our particular families in kind.
Rarescope
January 31, 2023 at 05:15 pm
“God is good. We are his beloved family, and he blesses our particular families in kind.”
Ah I think I see where you’re getting this ‘we must judge, condemn, and banish the FO’ attitude from :p
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 05:42 pm
I truly don't understand your reply, Rarescope.
I was sincerely admiring what 13TimeChamps has in his family life, and seconding him in his intention to engage his family and enjoy them in wife, children, and grandchildren.
To have that is such a blessing.
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My parents divorced when I was in junior high, to my great sadness, and my family is largely dysfunctional, including me -- although I dearly love each and every one of them, living and deceased.
So, I not only admire 13TimeChamps, but envy him, if that's the right word. I don't begrudge him in the least, just wish I had more of the same.
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I don't judge, condemn, nor banish anyone, but truly want the best for all. Sometimes that means speaking the truth with love, even if it's not popular.
BirdDogUni
January 31, 2023 at 05:49 pm
Just FYI - Business is not a democracy. America isn't a democracy... (Thank God our Founding Fathers were smart enough to conceive a Republic...!)
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 08:44 pm
It's a good point BirdDogUni, an important and necessary distinction, but even our democratic-republic is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Our government is supposed to be at our service, and that seems to be lost on those politicians who basically tell us to merely listen and obey.
We the people aren't supposed to be censored and silenced and ostracized by elitists of power and wealth in government or business.
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Business is somewhat of a democracy insofar as we the consumers can go elsewhere for our goods and services.
Also, to the extent that business is in collaboration with government (e.g., a social platform freed from antitrust laws because it's supposed to be neutral) it shouldn't be allowed to censor, silence, and ostracize, either -- and it seems to me that Big Government and Big Business are very tight, even interchanging.
Rarescope
January 31, 2023 at 10:18 pm
“ We the people aren't supposed to be censored and silenced and ostracized by elitists of power and wealth in government or business.”
I’m going to take this as you implying we are being censored and silenced in our country - which is absolutely ludicrous. Within the past seven days a husband was JAILED and his wife fined for expressing their opinions against the war in Ukraine in a private conversation between themselves while eating out at a restaurant in Russia. Not getting your way is hardly the same thing.
BTW, weren’t we talking about why MVS didn’t get a $10 million a year contract from the Packers because he didn’t deserve it?
jannesbjornson
January 31, 2023 at 02:12 pm
Add two TDs on the end around. 9 TDs for his Rookie effort. Doubs with 3 TDs. The missing ingredient, a TE who can get separation, fast.
crayzpackfan
January 31, 2023 at 04:31 pm
jannesbjornson - Tied this up with a bow. Excellent post.
BirdDogUni
January 31, 2023 at 06:07 pm
"The missing ingredient, a TE who can get separation, fast."
Mayer is 4.65
Washington is 4.63
Musgrave is 4.51
I don't think Mayer is our pick unless Gutey were to trade back and lose his mind.
I could easily see us go after either Washington or Musgrave though.
Hoping Allen Austin can seriously vie for a Roster Spot this fall. Seems like he might be a guy who could quietly be a game wrecker as the TE behind our all-world TE everyone expects Gutey to draft.
Just FYI guys, TT didn't draft an All-World TE and Gutey hasn't either. Maybe we're due?
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 06:17 pm
What about Allen Lazard as a tight end, an excellent blocker with very good hands.
Isn't he about the same height and weight as George Kittle?
What if our star tight end is already with us, but ready to leave?
Combine Lazard with Tonyan (who may be much more spry in his second season off of injury) and a draft pick, and maybe we have a presence at tight end that it truly potent.
Also, perhaps Jordan Love would actually throw their way.
Rarescope
January 31, 2023 at 10:26 pm
Sorry Swisch, another swing and a miss but I gotta appreciate the effort.
Kittle: 6’4” 250 lbs
Lazard: 6’5” 227 lbs
This gets brought up on the reg on Insider Inbox and they shoot it down every time. Further reference - our “receiving” tight end Tonyan is 240.
dobber
February 02, 2023 at 07:48 am
The sad part here is that we're holding up Watson's season as a replacement for MVS and patting that pick on the back.
Who was Adams' replacement?...how'd that go?
WestCoastPackerBacker
January 31, 2023 at 04:49 pm
MVS was a nobody most of the season and he just wasn't available the last couple of seasons when GB needed him. Injured too much. I have no judgment of them letting him go at that price. MVS just wasn't good enough to warrant a deal that size from GB and they got Watson. Watson had 611 yards and 7 scores plus 2 on the ground. MVS had 2 TDs and 687 yards the whole season until these last 2 weeks.
How does that make management look bad when they more than replaced a 10M a year guy with a guy on a rookie deal that was immediately more productive? Rookie Romeo Doubs had 3 scores, and would likely have had more except for the ankle. I just don't see how MVS would have changed things for GB this year. He was a nice piece but no way was he a core player. Too expensive for a nice piece of the roster.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 05:49 pm
You may be right, WestCoast, although I disagree, with my reasons in surrounding comments.
I'll repeat that MVS came through in a championship game for the Packers; now, with other wide receivers on the Chiefs hobbled, he came through again in excellent fashion in another championship game. He shows all the skills, and in the biggest moments.
I like to pick out the best players before they splash, and I've been a backer of MVS as a Packer and now as a Chief.
I could be wrong, but I'm confident about MVS.
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In any case, he was the best the Packers had going into this season, after Davante declined, and it seems a terrible decision to let him go.
It wasn't MVS or Watson. We could've had both.
dobber
February 02, 2023 at 08:06 am
"Injured too much. "
That's recency bias. He played almost every game for the Packers over his four years until the end of 2021 when he was hurt.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/ValdMa00.htm
I do agree on the contract.
PackyCheese500
January 31, 2023 at 12:13 pm
I hold the same position as BirdDogUni...why are we spending tomorrow's money today for second-and-third rate free agents who won't make a difference when we need it most?
Also, I would look to the draft for the Kicker position. I don't want to be one of the teams that is constantly switching kickers and punters - kicking at Lambeau is very different than just about anywhere else (except Buffalo). Jake Moody of Michigan and Christopher Dunn of NC St. are two guys we could draft.
Rarescope
January 31, 2023 at 05:17 pm
Don’t forget the long snapper!
jannesbjornson
January 31, 2023 at 05:25 pm
PFN Three Months and Counting.
#15/#78 to Detroit for #18 and #1 (2024)
#18 Broderick Jones OT (RT)
Detroit #1 + #4 (2024)
#31 Uzomah Edge
#45 + #3 (2024) for 54/85
#54 Kraft TE
# 85 Benton DT
#116 Trice CB
#151 Eric Gray RB
#171 Payne Durham TE
# 225 Herbig LB
# 234 Averett TE
# 244 J Redmond OKL DT
#256 Viliami Fehoko Edge
#259 D. Nchami Edge
dobber
February 02, 2023 at 07:55 am
"why are we spending tomorrow's money today for second-and-third rate free agents who won't make a difference when we need it most?"
You can't try to draft every need. There are only so many picks, and dealing away front-line players for picks only gets you a developmental lottery ticket and opens other holes. Don't get me wrong, there are a couple vets on the team that--if I were GM--I'd be shopping, but it needs to be done judiciously and with a short and long-term replacement plan in place.
You've got to fill with either developmental guys (just because a drafted player ends up next-in-line to start by attrition doesn't mean he's a good pick) or replacement-level guys you find on the street. Maybe K comes later iin the draft, but there are lots of guys out there to be had at the vet's minimum with NFL games under their belt. Kickers have become the equivalent of adjunct faculty in academia--they pick up work wherever they can find it, hoping to be that person that lucks into the right situation that turns into a more secure tenure-track gig. The majority don't find that.
LambeauPlain
January 31, 2023 at 12:19 pm
If Barry Ball is on the menu next season, talking about signing high priced FAs for the D is a fools errand.
What is the use of investing in assets when the D coordinator doesn't employ them and adjust to maximize their strengths vs the upcoming opponent for the game?
Has to be frustrating for talented D players who know they are being under utilized. Packers would have to over pay Defense FAs to come to a team trending straight down.
ImaPayne
January 31, 2023 at 12:30 pm
Joe Barry couldnt coach a pee wee league but one very very very good thing: HE WAS A CHEAP ACQUISITION SO THEY COULD GIVE RODGERS MO MONEY
13TimeChamps
January 31, 2023 at 02:35 pm
You do realize coaches salaries don't affect the salary cap, right? But then again, maybe you don't.
dobber
February 02, 2023 at 07:57 am
Don't feed the troll.
crayzpackfan
January 31, 2023 at 02:18 pm
LambeauPlain - Your truth is Biblical.
"Thou shalt not endow praise nor sacrifice, blood, or monetary gifts onto false DC’s, media shills, nor fanatic prophets. Devotion to thou shalt result in God’s mighty scourge. For thus who object to what is written, will parish within the Hells of salary cap and a decade rebuilding your infinite soul. So says the Lord”
~LambeauPlain 3:22-23
jannesbjornson
January 31, 2023 at 03:18 pm
Get another CB and Edge with high picsk and spend the rest of the draft on Offense. Score Points.
Rarescope
January 31, 2023 at 05:18 pm
Dline (including edge) and offense. All the way.
ImaPayne
January 31, 2023 at 12:27 pm
WAIT! Before we talk free agents, are they free? Or do they expect to get paid what they are worth? If the later is true, Gutt passes again. These guys can go to the Lions, Vikes and Bears to fill needed holes the draft can fill. Pack will stand pat with their wonderful slew of players.
nygary
January 31, 2023 at 12:42 pm
If the packers dont improve the DL it won't matter who else they sign. Weather we get DL help in the draft or not we need to sign a quality veteran at DL. If I was an offensive coordinator coaching against the pack D, I would run the ball down their throat all game long. Our DL needs help.
jannesbjornson
January 31, 2023 at 03:24 pm
It improved when Lowry went out of the lineup. I advocate for Benton with a three pick.
PackEyedOptimist
January 31, 2023 at 01:20 pm
The only position that I’m very interested in filling with a FA is safety, and MAYBE a cheap TE. I want draft choices filling the other roles.
PackEyedOptimist
January 31, 2023 at 01:24 pm
My current desire is to trade down and pick up RB Jahmyr Gibbs…as a slot WR! He has all the skills, and would also be a great back-up RB and returner.
Gibbs has crazy elusiveness.
Coldworld
January 31, 2023 at 02:40 pm
Isn’t that Goodson mark 2?
PackEyedOptimist
January 31, 2023 at 06:35 pm
Gibbs is FAR more talented.
Coldworld
January 31, 2023 at 02:40 pm
Isn’t that Goodson mark 2?
LambeauPlain
January 31, 2023 at 02:44 pm
The best action MLF could take for his career is hire a more talented DC. There are so many more accomplished DCs available and most of them would relish the opportunity to coach the Packer D.
The Defense did not carry the team this year as many expected.
I admit, I expected it... until I watched the first game vs MN. Turnovers hide poor coaching. And when the TOs don't come, the warts of Barry's rigid, one size fits all, soft prevent D allows first downs, long drives and scores.
They have the talent to be a good defense. Maybe MLF will show he has learned from another "Mo Drayton."
crayzpackfan
January 31, 2023 at 04:44 pm
Lamb - ("The best action MLF could take for his career is hire a more talented DC") I gave you a like and stopped reading everything after this quote. There was no need to read on.
greengold
January 31, 2023 at 04:06 pm
Losing Coach Jerry Gray to the Falcons hurts our Packers credibility. Bisaccia interviewing IND HC job. Dominos delivers.
WestCoastPackerBacker
January 31, 2023 at 04:52 pm
That's ridiculous. They liked a GB coach well enough to give him a promotion to assistant head coach and that hurts the Packers credibility how?
dobber
February 02, 2023 at 08:08 am
I would say losing hurts the Packers' credibility.
If you're winning, everyone wants to do what you do.
BirdDogUni
January 31, 2023 at 04:23 pm
I can't remember who mentioned Steve Spagnuolo as a HC for the Packers, (credit to him for getting me thinking.)
What if after the Super Bowl, the Board were to force Mark Murphy to fire MaLF and Clown Company and hired Steve Spagnuolo as our new HC. I am sure Spags could find an OC to run the same offense Love grew up in. Hire actually good assistants and we'd have a defensive genius as a HC.
Just the decision by MaLF to keep the status quo of Joe D. Barry is sufficient reason to fire the whole damn staff. Now I'm not sure who I would hope Spags would hire as OC, but surely there's someone who is much better than MaLF with creativity and play calling skills. Hell, I called better games in HS than MaLF has in any big game.
The sad part is, nobody is firing MaLF or Joe. SMH (Just frustrating our Offense sucked so bad this year as well as our defensive performance.)
WestCoastPackerBacker
January 31, 2023 at 04:53 pm
Yeah, let's go with a guy with a W-L record as an NFL head coach of 11–41 (.212). Nice.
BirdDogUni
February 01, 2023 at 12:01 am
Thanks, I'm here all week.
Seriously though, that was quite a while ago. He's been with Andy Reid for quite a while, and there is no denying he always gets the most out of his defenses when it counts, not against weak teams you should pummel. He had 4 rookies in the secondary at times last Sunday, against Joe Burrow, Chase, Higgins, Boyd, and Hurst.
I know I was impressed with the Chiefs defense the last few years with what they've had to work with and almost everyone is crediting Spags. I would hope he's smarter than he was last time he was a HC...
Just spit-balling here.
Who would you like to see take over if MaLF and company were fired?
Leatherhead
January 31, 2023 at 05:31 pm
I kind of figure that we're not going to be any kind of player in FA. I'm just hoping we don't lose our own guys like Bakhtiari and Jones that are under contract. We should be able to get the help we need in the draft, especially if we have some extra picks in the Top 100, and they'll all have the virtue of rookie contracts.
I done too many simulations involving the Packers trading down and getting six picks between 34-and 100. And with those picks, have been able to get a TE, a WR, a RB, another WR, and two offensive linemen to push Hanson and Newman off the roster.
Guys I usually pick:
I get Washington at TE; I think it's a double dip, because he not only improves the TE position, he improves the O-line. I think he'll be a good receiver for us, but I'm sure he'll get his man blocked.
I always manage to get one of the Tennessee WR's, Tillman or Hyatt. Sometimes, I get both. I get a top RB, and the one I usually take in the third is Roschon Johnson. And you're getting two top linemen.
Most recent siimulation, at PFN,
A trade of #15 with the Cardinals for #34, #66, and #96, along with our own picks in the second and t hird,gives us 5 selections in the top 95. I select:
Darnell Washington at TE
Darnell Wright at OT
Cedric Tillman at WR
Roschon Johnson at RB
Joe Tippman, from Wisconsin, at C.
All five of those guys would dress out on game day. The two linemen would theoretically push two weak links off the roster. The TE could be a huge upgrade, and there's absolutely room for Tillman at WR. Roschon Johnson is a smart guy who'd be a perfect fit, and who could carry a bigger load in the future.
And that's without using any of our 7 Day 3 picks.
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Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 05:57 pm
I agree, Leatherhead, and this may be a blessing in disguise when we already have a roster loaded with talent, or so it seems to me.
Develop who we have, draft wisely, and we can have a really good team for the Packers as early as 2023, in other words next season (c.f. the Giants this season).
If the right free agent comes along at the right price, go for it, but no need to strain in reaching for such a player.
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Even with Jones and Bakh, both of whom I'd like back, especially Jones, no need to strain to reach for them.
This idea of almost bribing players with max salaries is questionable, if not ludicrous, although I don't want to be cheap with players, either.
Offer them a generous but somewhat restrained salary, and it's up to them, and all the best to everyone involved, either way, including us as fans.
We want players who want to be Packers for more than just money. We have to take of their teammates, too.
Leatherhead
January 31, 2023 at 06:22 pm
If the offense rolls, we're going to be fine. We bring back enough solid defenders to make it without any FA addition. We dress out:
4 DL: Clark, Wyatt, Slaton and whoever we add in the draft who is better than we already have.
Edge: Gary, eventually. Psmith. Enagbare. Garvin.
ILB: Walker, Campbell, McDuffie
CB: Alexander, Douglas, Stokes, Shemar, Innes, Kiandre....
S: Savage and Ford. Carpenter is listed as a LB.
By my count, that's about 19 guys without Gary. I'm not seeing for the need of adding a FA.
Swisch
January 31, 2023 at 06:36 pm
I also don't see free agency as a need, but do see the possible signing of the right guy at the right price as a possible plus.
4thand10
January 31, 2023 at 08:09 pm
I like it, but I think Clark needs a bulldozer next to him and or another NT that can give him a breather and make an impact . I’m sick of watching opposing QBs having all day to throw and the run D needs improvement without having to keep a magic safety in the box who will get injured.
stockholder
January 31, 2023 at 07:10 pm
I wish we would have taken Humphrey over Myers.
Then maybe there would be No talk of a Center.
By the time your done signing these 5 guys.
You might as well sign Rodgers friends.
Cobb over Hardman. Didn't Watkins teach You!
Tonyan over Hurst- He'll take the 3.5 mil per yrs.
S Peppers. - Pay Nevin First!
Edge - Give me Reed! 1 yr. 4 mil.
Crosby over Hopkins- Seriously 3 yrs for 9 mil.???
Charity starts at home first!
Rarescope
January 31, 2023 at 10:35 pm
I would tend to agree with a but - it always felt to me throughout the 201X years we were always just a couple guys shy of being dominant - and that was as a pretty casual fan. Compared to those days I feel like we have been hitting home runs on free agency during the Gute years and I don’t want to see that train stop. Watkins was in hindsight a poor choice but was it really that bad? He got picked up and was a playing for the ravens in the playoffs so it’s not as if his value (over valued or not) in the NFL was nothing.
stockholder
February 01, 2023 at 05:26 am
Hitting in Free Agency. -
We should of had a DL sooner.
But how many times did he swing and
miss at ILB? He should of drafted it sooner.
Watkins in hindsight. - College try.
But Cobb does know the offense.
Thats all I'm saying.
Packers1985
February 01, 2023 at 01:50 pm
One good news. Looks like the Goat Tom B finally retired. I would say it's a great news for packers as it'll only increase Rodgers trade value. Hopefully it works for great for packers.
Go Pack Go