5 Things to Watch in Packers at Raiders: Alexander vs Adams (?)

It remains to be seen whether Jaire Alexander and Davante Adams will face off on Monday Night Football.

Davante Adams vs Jaire Alexander (?)

Whether this box office matchup will happen at all is still up in the air.

Former teammates Alexander and Adams are both questionable ahead of Monday’s game with back and shoulder issues respectively. The former has been limited in practice all week, while the latter didn’t practice until Saturday, in a limited capacity.

Although it will significantly increase Green Bay’s chances of victory if Adams was out, it would be a real shame for him to be denied the opportunity to face his former team for the first time.

Alexander indicated he does not want to miss the matchup, so it seems there’s a good chance he will suit up and demand to travel with Adams should he be out there.

That is what everyone wants to see, but with Eric Stokes possibly ready to return from injury and make his 2023 season debut, defensive coordinator Joe Barry will have more options for defending Adams, along with Rasul Douglas.

If he plays, Green Bay’s ability to limit Adams will go a long way to deciding the outcome of this one.

Barry's defensive adjustments

The Packers have had a mini-bye week after playing on Thursday night football in week four, giving the coaching staff more time to evaluate the good and the bad from the first month and draw up their plans for improvement going forward.

Despite some flashes, the defense needs to make changes after being dominated by the Detroit Lions last time out. Run defense has been a consistent issue for Barry’s unit and nothing has changed in 2023.

His soft-shell style of defense too often matches up poorly against heavy offensive personnel, and teams who commit to running the football have consistent success against the Packers, keeping the defense on the field for long, painful drives.

Head coach Matt LaFleur seems to have had enough of watching his team get punched in the mouth. After the Lions loss, he said the Packers staff are looking at “the philosophy of some of the things we’re trying to get done”.

He continued: “Especially when you know teams are going to run the ball, I know we like to keep a shell on our defense but there may be times we have to break that. Trust me, we’re looking at everything.”

The Raiders offense has been putrid so far this season, even with Adams in the lineup. There are no excuses for the Packers not to make the necessary adjustments and deliver a strong performance on Monday night.

Jordan Love's completion percentage

While the eye test would certainly indicate Love has played well in his first four games as the true starter, his completion percentage is the lowest of all quarterbacks at 56.1 percent.

Speaking to the media this week, Love said his head coach challenged the players after last week’s loss to “think of one thing we’re going to work on going forward.”

Asked what his ‘one thing’ was, Love unsurprisingly said: “Completions. Going out there and getting positive plays and finding completions on every play.”

Love has missed some throws, and his spotty accuracy even on more routine and wide-open passes is something of a concern, it is also on his play caller to get him some easy completions, especially early in games, to get the quarterback into a rhythm.

Too often this season, the Packers have found themselves in second or third and long. That hasn’t been helped by the team’s inability to run the ball, but LaFleur needs to find ways to get the ball quickly and easily into the hands of his playmakers.

When given adequate protection, Love has converted at an impressive rate on third and long, but Detroit exposed the problem with relying on it if your offensive line can’t hold up.

It’s time to take a little bit of pressure off Love and let his offensive skill players do some of the heavy lifting.

Offensive line getting healthy

Elgton Jenkins and Jon Runyan Jr. not having an injury designation entering Monday’s game was a pleasant surprise, indicating both will be good to go versus Las Vegas.

Jenkins has returned much quicker from his knee issue than most expected. With David Bakhtiari done for the year, Jenkins is Green Bay’s best and most experienced offensive lineman.

On Jenkins, LaFleur said this week: “Any time you get a player of the caliber of Elgton Jenkins that’s huge for you. He’s played a lot of ball at a high level for us and brings a mentality to our line that I think we need.”

Having Jenkins and Runyan available means the Packers can leave Royce Newman, who is a weak link whenever he plays, on the bench.

Zach Tom appeared to be compromised as he played through injury last time out but practiced all week – albeit in a limited capacity – and also does not have an injury designation. The Packers will be at full strength (minus Bakhtiari) up front.

Maxx Crosby

Good thing, too, because they have to deal with the relentless and fearsome pass rusher that is Crosby on Monday night.

The Raiders do not have much to shout about in terms of defensive difference-makers, but Crosby is still capable of wrecking a play at any moment and can take over a game.

Whether he rushes from the left or right side, Crosby will be going against a young tackle in either Tom or Rasheed Walker. It will be another stiff test for the pair of second-year players as they settle in to starting roles in the NFL.

 

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NickPerry's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:45 am

"Matt LaFleur seems to have had enough of watching his team get punched in the mouth. After the Lions loss, he said the Packers staff are looking at “the philosophy of some of the things we’re trying to get done”.

Haven't we heard something very similar to this from LaFleur? This IS Joe Barry's defensive philosophy and has been since the day he was hired. Yet LaFleur decided to KEEP him this year, even when Evinro, Flores, Fangio, and others were ALL available and he STILL kept Barry.

I kind of liken this to the Mo Drayton experience in 2021. You KNEW the dude couldn't coach and was in over his head yet you kept him for the entire season KNOWING it could cost you and it DID...A SB Title IMO. LaFleur is tied at the hip to Barry. He has NO ONE to blame but himself, OR to promote to DC on that defensive staff should he want to make a change.

IMO Matt LaFleur being more involved in the defense is a problem. Doesn't he have enough to worry about on the offensive side of the ball already?

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dobber's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:20 am

"IMO Matt LaFleur being more involved in the defense is a problem. Doesn't he have enough to worry about on the offensive side of the ball already?"

He has an OC to help run that side...I'd argue the defense is underachieving more and needs more attention at this stage. Isn't it the job of the HC to manage his whole team?

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:44 am

dobber.....our defense needs more attention (than the offense),??

I would have to contest that point. We've had a lot of 0 point quarters this season. And we're not moving the ball. We are tied for last place in number of first downs. We averaged under 20 ppg in our last two games, at home.

If we'd like to win some games, our offense is going to have to do a better job of staying on the field and putting points on the board. That will have the additional benefit of keeping the defense off the field. IMO, we have to eliminate more negative plays on offense....the penalties, the incompletes, the sacks, and just stay on the field. Everything else will fall in line accordingly.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:36 pm

In other words, all three phases have been under performing compared to the level of talent we have.
The players are playing better than the coaches have been coaching. IMHO.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:12 am

It all starts at the Top. Somebody is still kicking tires at the County Fair, making believe he's running a Mc Caskey operation. The Silage is piled high and fumigating. No More Years....

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Starrbrite's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:28 am

Nick—a perfect summary and excactly how I see it—excellent!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:57 am

"Barry's defensive adjustments
Head coach Matt LaFleur seems to have had enough of watching his team get punched in the mouth. After the Lions loss, he said the Packers staff are looking at “the philosophy of some of the things we’re trying to get done”.
He continued: “Especially when you know teams are going to run the ball, I know we like to keep a shell on our defense but there may be times we have to break that. Trust me, we’re looking at everything.”
The Raiders offense has been putrid so far this season, even with Adams in the lineup. There are no excuses for the Packers not to make the necessary adjustments and deliver a strong performance on Monday night"

I do wonder if tonight's game is the final straw for Barry. If he doesn't make the adjustments and the Raiders who have been really bad so far, run all over us, will LaFleur decide enough is enough and let Barry go for the bye? I don't think he will do it regardless, but I do wonder what will be the final straw with LaFleur. Clearly there is an issue with the play calling/game management. Its not all on the coaches for how the team plays on the field. But it is the coaches job to put the players in the best positions to succeed. Running 2 DL and getting ran all over in that formation clearly isn't working. So make the adjustments. To this point Barry has not made those adjustments.

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NickPerry's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:31 am

"I do wonder if tonight's game is the final straw for Barry. If he doesn't make the adjustments and the Raiders who have been really bad so far, run all over us, will LaFleur decide enough is enough and let Barry go for the bye?"

Hey RC... I'm curious just who you would hire off the Packers current defensive staff to replace Barry as the DC for the season? It would be pretty tough to bring in someone from the outside, not just because of the difference in scheme, but also because it would make LaFleur like an even bigger putz for keeping and then firing him 5 games in should they lose.

It's just my opinion, but I think Barry is the Packers DC until the end of 2023. LaFleur tied himself TO Joe Barry by keeping him. Now it could possibly be the end of BOTH of them by seasons end if Barry's continues his ways...RIGHTFULLY so I may add too...

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cheezyone's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:49 am

"It's just my opinion, but I think Barry is the Packers DC until the end of 2023. LaFleur tied himself TO Joe Barry by keeping him. Now it could possibly be the end of BOTH of them by seasons end if Barry's continues his ways...RIGHTFULLY so I may add too..."

NP, I totally agree. I thought the same thing when LaFluer said Barry was staying for this year.

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:22 am

Replacing Barry is justified, but as NP has pointed out, they have no obvious in house stand in. However, replacing Barry won’t change the LaFleur culture any more than Pettine leaving did. We might get a better DC, but still within the same context.

We could easily justify removing Butkus, Stenovich (since he probably won’t take demotion) and Montgomery. The problem is endemic because the problem is the HC. Until LaFleur goes, we have a long enough track record to see that we won’t change materially.

So firing Barry for no one seems as pointless as it is justified. That is because he’s not the issue it’s the wider coaching group, overall philosophy and culture. We need a new HC and a new team and have to hope we do a significantly better job of evaluating the hire than last time. No guarantees on that with our current structure.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:35 am

Fact Check: True

The culture of the coaching starts at the top.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:39 pm

Will any of the needed changes be made before MM is replaced?

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:26 pm

My guess is that if he gets uncomfortable enough about his reputation. He won’t want the lead up to his draft goodbye to be tainted.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 08:41 am

I have thought about this as well. There really isn't a natural go to guy currently on the staff. They don't have any former DC's on the team. Last year they had Jerry Gray who they could have turned to. This year they don't have anyone with experience. I don't really know if any of the defensive coaches are candidates to be elevated to the DC role. For that reason alone I believe he will stick with Barry. He made that bed in the offseason and now he has to sleep in it.

That being said if it were me, I'd go after Jim Leonard. I know I will be ridiculed for saying that. And I know that it would be a very long shot to actually happen. But IMO he is the best option available. His scheme wouldn't be that much different from what they currently run, so it shouldn't be a bad adjustment. They have everything they need to make it work! He is the guy that LaFleur wanted, which he ultimately turned down to stay at UW. I had heard (not sure if its true) that he wanted to stay there to become the HC. He got passed over, which makes him available now.
If it were me, I would go after him.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:26 am

We all discussed moving Barry out by the Trade Deadline if this "Blue Chips" defense was AWOL. Maybe some of the other D-position coaches are frustrated by his inveterate scheme and design. I would change the "culture" and let Bisaccia run his crew. He got the Raiders on the same page when Gruden was tossed. The Players who do not show up, may also pack their bags.

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dobber's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:37 am

"I'm curious just who you would hire off the Packers current defensive staff to replace Barry as the DC for the season?"

This didn't stop people from howling at the moon over Drayton a couple years ago. There's only one assistant there. I don't think this is quite as comparable as people seem to think. Here there are several assistants on the defensive side, all have presumably been actively participating in game-planning, and one (Montgomery) has a little experience as a co-DC in college. There's plenty of experience to draw from in a couple of these assistants.

I'd go with Montgomery, Williams, or Olivadotti, myself, if they let Barry go. Williams is passing game coordinator and has recently worked under Vance Joseph. Just because someone hasn't been a coordinator doesn't mean they can't...there's not a first time until there is. If you're sure performance isn't getting better or that your directions aren't being implemented, are you better off rope-a-doping along or trying something?

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:49 am

The 2 I thought about on the current staff would be Montgomery or Williams.

I agree with you on this statement. "Just because someone hasn't been a coordinator doesn't mean they can't"

I don't know much about the guys they have to be honest.

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:30 am

Williams wasn’t exactly a highly prized hire. He’s actually in his first year with added responsibilities already.

Arizona State (2003)
Coaching intern
College of DuPage (2004–05)
Assistant coach
Arkansas Tech (2006–07)
Defensive backs & recruiting coordinator
Pittsburgh (2008)
Secondary coach & graduate assistant
San Diego Chargers (2009–2012)
Assistant linebackers coach
San Diego Chargers (2013–2015)
Assistant secondary coach
Indianapolis Colts (2016–2017)
Defensive backs coach
Denver Broncos (2018)
Defensive backs coach
Arizona Cardinals (2019–2022)
Cornerbacks coach

Now he’s passing game coordinator with us after being deemed surplus to requirements by AZ. That’s a bit of a stretch as a potential DC, even interim. Montgomery as our DL guy could easily be part of the problem.

I like the idea Dobber, last year Gray should have been asked after the Eagles game and then we could have made a call after the season. LaFleur missed that chance and then chose to go inexperienced after dithering trying to retain Gray (or not wanting to fire him at least) until most highly thought of options were gone.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:43 pm

Dobber,

it's hard for me to imagine how anyone could be worse than JB. We keep wanting him to change something, and he keeps showing us this is the only way to run a D he knows.

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dobber's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:02 pm

I think people said the same things about Shawn Mennenga...Mo Drayton said, "hold my beer".

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Starrbrite's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:31 am

That’s how I see it—someone will have to drop a 70-burger on us before they take a hard look at Barry.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 04:35 pm

That might take a while. Most teams don't get 30 on a Barry defense.

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:27 pm

The Eagles last year was historic. That was not enough.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:50 am

"""It's just my opinion, but I think Barry is the Packers DC until the end of 2023"""

Yes. Barry will remain. I am curious as to why the word "points" never comes up when discussing Barry?? Seems like we've been average or better during his time here....the defense gave up fewer points than KC's defense did last year and is 21st this year And we've got a couple of weaklings coming.
Based on points, hasn't the Packer defense been at least average under Barry?

IMO, you can improve your defense by keeping them on the sidelines, but that requires an offense that moves the ball and scores points, which requires blocking. That's where the snag has been, and when it gets worked out, the defense will spend less time on the field and all our defensive numbers will look better,especially points.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:45 pm

LH,

yes.

Still, average or middle of the pack is simply unacceptable with the talent we have on that side of the ball. Even top 10 D would be underperforming, IMHO.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:15 am

I watched the 49ers for the first time last night. Dallas is maybe the 3rd best team in the NFC and they couldn’t even stay on the field with SF.

Look at the team Lynch has put together over there. They are superior to the Packers in every single position group. And he did this even after trading four picks for a third string QB. Compare that team with the soft bowl of mush Gutey has assembled. I’m no fan of MLF or Barry but Gutey should not be off the hook for this mediocrity of a team.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 09, 2023 at 08:41 am

John Lynch is the very definition of mediocrity as a GM. Wake me up when he and Kyle the Genius win anything important.

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Houndog's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:09 am

Geez Leotis, l gotta disagree.
As a Packer fan living in 49er territory I can only dream of my team playing as well as they do.
Lynch has had the balls to make trades, admit his mistakes (Trey Lance) and move on, and find gems in the draft. Please see: Mr. Irrelevant.
Shanahan has instituted a no-nonsense attitude in his players that makes me jealous as I consistently watch the Packers play soft and sometimes unmotivated. You can ask the Cowboys about that attitude.
If Murphy wasn't around to f&%# it up, I'd trade two for two any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:36 am

not the GM, he has had repeated swings at early draft picks. the head coach is a different story altogether.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 09, 2023 at 03:28 pm

Disagreement is what makes CHTV hum along, my long-eared friend (who's a good boy?). I think Lynch's trade for Trey Lance cost the 49ers Super Bowls. Yes, they hit big on CMC, but they also didn't have any draft picks in the first or second rounds this year.

Bottom line, I hate the 49ers and I hate John Lynch. I loathe the Matt Millen Effect that landed him and his giant triangular-shaped head in a GM position. The entire Shanahan family could be shot into the sun for all I care. 49eres president Jed York is being sued for insider trading and securities fraud in his role as a board member of an educational company based in Santa Clara. The suits claim that York and other board members concealed the company's role in helping college students cheat on online tests, and then dumped their company stock at the top of the market. Nice. Now he fits in with the majority of NFL owners.

This is deep-seeded resentment, I know. It's caustic and irrational. Jerry Rice fucking fumbled, okay? He did! He fumbled. And, Steve Young can kiss my ass. Terrell Owens, too.

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MooPack's picture

October 09, 2023 at 04:35 pm

Deep-seeded and long seeded it would seem. Hopefully you didn't break the bank on all that acreage.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:44 pm

DOH! Send in the Homophone Police, Moo, and cuff and stuff me. I deserve it.

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PhantomII's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:30 am

Leotis, I normally like all your comments. SF has been missing an above average QB for several years. I think a healthy Purdy is gonna be good enough......Good enough to beat an athletic, gifted Mahomes ???? I don't know yet. SF is a supremely built roster top to bottom. They have a Coach who is a good play caller and does make adjustments in game. This year, they are playing their game and beating other teams will in the run game. Their are things about their teams construction and play calling I admire. Personally, I want a much stouter OL and DL for the pack to administer some revenge on several teams and SF is definitely one of them. GPG

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:45 pm

No worries, Phan. Most days I'm not all that crazy about me either.

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PhantomII's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:46 pm

Thanks for the chuckle, Leotis...Man, I hope we get our OL and DL straightened out by 24'. Enjoy the game, God Bless. With any luck, we will be beating down SF and Detroit sooner than later....GPG

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:32 am

So far his teams have taken care of the Gutedkunst's crews in two out of two meetings in the Playoffs. One @ Lambeau.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:45 pm

Pfft, details!

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:14 am

Since Lynch has taken over as GM for the 49ers in 2017 he has had 4 top 10 picks in the draft. He has had 3 top 5 selections also. He has had 20 picks in the top 10 of all rounds.

Since Gutey has taken over as GM for the Packers in 2018 he has had 0 top 10 picks in the draft. He has had 4 picks in the top 10 of all round.

Also Lynch has arguably one of the worst draft picks and trade ever. They traded 3 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick for Lance. Who they traded away 2 years later.

When you compare the 2 drafting Gutey has had a major disadvantage while drafting.

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calabasa's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:26 am

Good analysis RC, which leads to one of the biggest questions for us Packer fans: are we satisfied with regular-season success (which leads to poor drafting position) or do we want championships?

The Niners have been pretty boom and bust over the last decade, while we have been damn good. Neither has won a championship.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:35 am

I will take what GB has done compared to the 49ers. Packers have won 2 Super Bowls since the 49ers last win. I will take that! And we have routinely been competitive. While the 49ers have had hot streaks they have had lot more downs then us.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 04:46 pm

I think the Packers, 49ers, Seahawks, and Philadelphia are all pretty well run organizations. Dallas......I'd love to include them, but they just haven't really accomplished a lot more than the Lions over the last 25 years or so, And they've done tons of stupid shit.

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Houndog's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:05 am

Calabasa,
"The Niners have been pretty boom and bust over the last decade, while we have been damn good. Neither has won a championship" Correct!
However, the 9ers had a huge mess to clean up after Harbaugh left and the Poor Little Rich kid took over the team and made some poor hiring decisions, but he also made the moves to correct it in hiring Lynch and Shanahan.
Say what you want, but here's what I've seen in the past 10 days:
1.) The Packers were embarrassed by the Lions, and
2.) The Cowboys were embarrassed by the 49ers
3.) There is NO comparison in the attitude, preparation, and personality the Packers and the Niners play with.
And, the "poor little rich kid" is waaaaaay better than Murphy at fixing shit!

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Houndog's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:28 am

Hi RC,
I'm well aware of all the above, and I fully agree on Lance, but look what they've done with it. They sure as hell looked good last night, and I am not a 49er fan.
It's about team culture and a winning attitude, something Gutey and MLF cannot seem to instill into their players. How many 1st and 2nd round picks on our defense, 7 or 8?
Gutey traded up to draft the (presently) 30th rated QB in the NFL, Mr. Irrelevant is #1 in completion percentage and what, 11-0 in regular season games?
I'd still make the trade.........

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:48 am

What exactly have they done with it? Since Shanahan has become the 49ers coach he is 57-46. Since LaFleur has become GB's he is 49-21.

There are a lot of factors in the Love rating especially comparing it to Purdy's. They are 2 different teams right now. Purdy has veteran WR's and TE's and RB. Love has a veteran RB and that is it.
Purdy has had his top targets all season. Love hasn't. Tonight's game will possibly be the first time GB has had its best offensive skilled players on the field at one time.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:19 am

Purdy also has the benefit of playing on a team with a very good defense.

Love...not so much.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:54 am

Purdy has Veteran Pro Bowl WRs, Kittle and Juszczyk. All acquired by Lynch. They play a four man front with an AllPro he also drafted. When Kinlaw showed little promise, he bagged Hargrave to fill DT. Poached from the Eagles where Hargrave totaled 11 Sacks in '22. He has 3 sacks to date and enforces the middle. Packertown extends guys like P. Smith.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:02 pm

That is a great point too.

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HawkPacker's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:45 pm

'Tonight's game will possibly be the first time GB has had its best offensive skilled players on the field at one time.'

Not so fast RC. Jones is out tonight!

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:35 am

Have you looked at what they ask Purdy to do? Whatever else Is true, that’s a coach getting the most from his talent at QB by putting him in a position to win and blessed with a strong enough core around him that that can be made to work. Very similar to what they did pre Lance.

Purdy in the offense we’ve run to date would probably have flamed out. Love is by no means perfect or polished, but he is able to do things Purdy has never been asked and with a neophyte group of skill players and no running game.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:59 am

Yes, Love has been handicapped by the coaching scheme. Let him play faster. Lynch jumped in front of Gutey, trading with the Queens for Aiyuk. Shanahan has them firing on all cylinders.

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PhantomII's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:49 pm

Lynch also jumped us for Aiyuk and got Deebo over Gute. SF historically had, Montana and Young back to back...and they did more than our Favre-Rodgers....Lately, not so much. A lot of teams get proud of their picks and make a poor choice. Maybe more prayer time should be involved in all decisions, by everyone. Purdy looks pretty good coming out of the gate. I think he'll be good enough to win it if he can stay healthy. I think Love will be good enough in the near future...But we need a heck of a lot of good OL picks/FA (ROAD GRADERS) to get there. Tom and Jenkins (Only), aren't gonna cut it. We also need a few Hog DL who can stop the run. Gute had a pretty poor roster TT left him...He has made enough moves to help an old accurate QB1 BACK TO BACK MVP....but we have purged a lot of good vet players as of now and are very young. OL/DL BIG MEAN FELLAS will get us back their faster. GPG

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:32 am

Did you expect this years team to be a powerhouse? We are a bundle of promise as yet unpolished. I expected issues as a result. The issue on this team is the repetition of the same failures of coaching, on D and O. That makes players look less than they are too.

Judgement of how good this roster is requires both time and new leadership off field. Then we can see if players were being put in disadvantageous positions or simply the wrong players used as much as it seems. Then we can judge Gute.

Right now, the coaching is in disarray, technically, tactically and in terms if motivation, scheme, discipline and personnel. There no Rodgers to provide excuses. There’s no place to hide. We need to move in from LaFleur and virtually all of his coaches. Fix the thing that is obvious before trying to guess at what else could be improved. And it is obvious and repeating.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:39 am

A very harsh assessment, but again, true. Murphy backed the wrong horse. Tall hat, no cattle.

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crayzpackfan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:56 pm

CW - I agree with everything you wrote. So to your point, "We need to move in from LaFleur and virtually all of his coaches. Fix the thing that is obvious before trying to guess at what else could be improved. And it is obvious and repeating."
My question for you is (as I am very curious what your answer may be cuz I respect your ideas), what names out there, college or pro, would you not only like to see in GB, but who you think would be a "consensus" great fit for GB?
Looking forward to reading your answer(s).

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 02:04 pm

In season? There aren’t any I’d want to hire. We’d have to look at Bissacia as the Raiders did to finish out a year, but with essentially the same coaching staff. That’s essentially what Murphy did when he let McCarthy go.

The real search can’t take place till the season ends under NFL rules. If we went to a college coach, we’d not be talking this season either.

It’s Bissacia if you want to jump now. It’s a wide open field if the decision is put off till the New Year.

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crayzpackfan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 02:13 pm

CW - I'm definitely talking about after season. During this season makes no sense to me IMO.

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PhantomII's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:21 pm

I was pretty optimistic. Love showed in Eagles game, he could make some plays against a SB contender. I expected our Bak to last more than 1-game, I did not envision our indecisive RB running into Jenkins and taking him down. I did not see Jones down this long nor RB2 being so ineffective as big as he is in a contract year. I thought our 2-TE's would be better already. I thought Doubs and Reed would be real good....and they are. I did not expect #9 hurt with a hammy for 5+ games to start the season. I did not expect much from our kicker...but he's been on target. It's the NFL stuff happens. Gute needs the first 5 rounds plus the xtra #2 pick on OL and at least a FA big fella on the DL to stop the run and a legit headache making RB in the run game. IF WE CAN DO THAT
OUR OFFENSE WILL ROLL and the pass game will be dominant and we can take it all the way in the playoffs.

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HawkPacker's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:49 pm

I really believe we need a new coaching staff. Top to bottom. We need a good draft next year and we should be fine. We need to decide what to do with Bahk as well as his Cap will be killing us next year.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:47 pm

SF has beaten our brakes off for many years. We lose to them in the weight room.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:22 am

On offense tonight something I want to see a lot of is this personnel grouping assuming they are all playing.

I want to see Jones in the backfield, with Watson, Doubs, Reed and Musgrave. If we can get close to half of our offensive snaps with this group on the field I am expecting to see some fireworks!

-Jones is one of the most explosive RB's in the league. He has the ability as a runner to make a 5 yard gain out of a 5 yard loss. Also him as a receiver is a weapon. Getting him the ball in space should be priority.
-Watson is one of the most explosive WR's in the league. He should be full go now and will open up the offense.
-Doubs has been so damn good. He catches just about anything with his strong hands. He has quickly became Love's go to guy in key situations.
-Reed has been very impressive as a rookie. Sure he has had some rookie mistakes, but he adds another explosive playmaker to the offense. Getting Watson and Jones back into the offense I think will do a ton for Reed. They will draw a lot more of the attention leaving Reed with some favorable matchups.
-Musgrave is one of the faster TE's in the league. He is also one of our most reliable targets in the offense. Just like Reed, I believe the return of Jones and Watson will really open things up for Musgrave. I think Musgrave is about to have a dynamic breakout game. Tonight could be that night.

When these 5 aren't on the field, I am also looking forward to seeing more of these guys.
-Wicks. Wicks has been good when on the field. He also brings a downfield presence. He has also been one of the most reliable pass catchers on the roster thus far.
-Kraft. When Musgrave went out of the game with a concussion, Kraft got some more snaps on offense. I would like to see his playing time increase. He just has a look and physicalness about him that I think could become contagious. I like the way he plays.
-Toure. He had one of the best catches in a few years by a Packers WR. I am curious to see if he has gained some confidence and can make a few more plays.
-Wilson. I would like to see Wilson getting a few carries. If Wilson can get a crease, he has the speed to make some dynamic runs.

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4thand10's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:50 am

All of this is predicated on how well the OL plays. Im fairly happy with upgraded skill positions, But the team goes as the OL goes.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:04 am

With Jenkins back, that is a HUGE upgrade over Newman. Tom and Runyan should be healthier as well. 4 out of the 5 preferred starters, is a good start.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:05 pm

Speed up the play calls and execution. Keep Newman off the field. He cannot even control a DT with the double team. The O line group has to bring Attitude, not lassitude.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 05:48 pm

RCP,

great strategy.

#33 isn't playing.

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mrtundra's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:30 am

"Head coach Matt LaFleur seems to have had enough of watching his team get punched in the mouth." What took him so long? Fans have been screaming about Barry's schemes for quite some time, now. I have no idea who we could get to replace Barry, at this point in the season. I had hoped the change would have been made this past offseason. That's life, as a fan!

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4thand10's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:53 am

Regardless of head coaches, it seems like defense has been an issue for well over a decade.

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:25 am

MM hired Pettine. Pettine came in with a rush first, disruptive turnover driven approach that contrasted with his predecessor’s. However, after MM was fired and the season concluded, Pettine was retained by LaFleur and then announced that the emphasis had changed to emphasize not giving up as many big plays.

Since then, for LaFleur’s tenure, we have consistently seen bend not break type philosophies. LaFleur complained at these at times with Pettine, but they never changed. Pettine made it known he wanted his contract to run out and left.

When Barry came in, initially he played tighter coverage. Then that too changed to stop big plays. Stokes exemplified that. All rookie playing tight coverage to all lost playing predominantly lost (the one game last year where he didn’t he was our best rated DB).

Barry’s primary issues are up front, but LaFleur has now led two DCs to move towards preventing big plays while under his leadership. He’s blamed that for losses but never seen that change or fired a DC.

He’s either incompetent or full of it. Coaches don’t both change style without his approval. Coaches don’t get retained if they aren’t on the same page as their HC, or shouldn’t be. LaFleur wanted continuity—that was the most important thing for us in January. Well, we have it, to the point of Deja vu.

The time has come to accept that this is LaFleur: there is copious evidence and the Rodgers smokescreen has now long blown away. It all flows from him on D, OL, and how we play.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:13 am

MLF will get a pass this year because of the "young team" B.S...but after next season if there isn't a drastic change in attitude and "toughness" and scheme, I hope he will be long gone...

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:12 pm

Why settle for less?

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:13 pm

Less than what? Some other coach who doesn't win the division regularly?

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:23 pm

OK, give him the Marty Schottenheimer Award...

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:26 pm

Schottenheimer had his flaws and he certainly wasn't perfect, but he was a very good coach who consistently put good teams on the field.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:40 am

This isn't Barry's defense, it's LaFleur's defense. This is his hire, and he's had three years of seeing his work. The disfunction is a feature, not a bug.

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PhantomII's picture

October 09, 2023 at 01:14 pm

The difference now is the OL AND DL getting punched in the Mouth....Nothing changes until both those are addressed.

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TKWorldWide's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:59 am

1. I would LOVE to see 23 travel with 17, if healthy.

2. If 21 is back, I’d ease him back in. I know some folks say “if he’s healthy enough to play, why baby him?” But! How could he NOT be rusty? That’s all I’m saying. And I do NOT think practice is all that valuable for getting a player back up to speed. Or valuable for much of anything other than reminding players of their assignments.

3. Jenkins back already? WooHoo! Pawsitive domino effect on the O-line! Pad level, baby!

4. Love leads the NFL in completions of 30 yards plus. But, are they yac, or longer passes? He’s definitely missed some layups. We all promised to be patient. I have faith that his comp % will improve. Thus far, I have not seen him ignore the wide open shallow targets that 12 seemed to do frequently.

5. My “new” opinion re:JB: If he is refusing to match personnel (such as playing nickel vs 21 off) or refusing to put a safety in the box, it’s on him. However, if it’s yards after contact (broken tackles) like Montgomery’s were, it’s on the players. IF it’s on the players, GB’s gotta start prioritizing tackling ability along with the precious RAS. I am starting to think it’s unrealistic for a player to improve his tackling skills at the NFL level. First, NFL players are harder to tackle than college players, and second, tackling is dang near forbidden in practice in the modern NFL.

6. GAME DAY, BROTHERS AND SISTERS! I’ve been up since 5 AM slamming Red Bulls. Who’s with me?? Let’s GO!

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 09, 2023 at 08:45 am

"GAME DAY, BROTHERS AND SISTERS! I’ve been up since 5 AM slamming Red Bulls. Who’s with me?? Let’s GO!"

Easy, bud, remember in 2018 when you had to switch to Kaopectate mid-afternoon? Moderation is key. Pace yourself.

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TKWorldWide's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:34 am

I cannot deny. I might be headed for a 1 PM crash. But I’ll be back in time for kickoff, baby!

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dobber's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:49 am

1. If there's one thing they should've learned from playing JJ and the Vikes last year, it's that when you're playing an all-world WR, you make him beat your all-world CB.

2 Stokes hasn't been activated to the roster yet, they've just opened his practice window. I don't think there's any way he plays until after the bye....and if Valentine and Ja are playing, they should be OK without him.

3. Jenkins and JRJ back is good news for this OL. I'll be curious to see if there were any other adjustments over the mini-bye.

4. "But, are they yac, or longer passes? " -- does it matter?

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TKWorldWide's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:31 am

4. Yes, because a pass that travels further in the air is less likely to be completed. So, if his comp % is low, (which it is), it’s likely due to throwing longer. I was surprised to learn he has the most completions over 30 yards, but my unfounded suspicion is because of longer throws.

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dobber's picture

October 09, 2023 at 07:10 pm

"because a pass that travels further in the air is less likely to be completed."

African or European pass?

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:18 pm

If Stokes feels his body is right, he plays in front of Valentine, maybe Nixon. Jenkins tear is in his other knee, so can he maintain stability over the course of the season? We will watch his mobility over the first few offensive series.

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GregC's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:03 am

I'm so sick of all the injuries. The beginning of this season has been an awful lot like the beginning of last season: an offense in transition with too many injuries, and a defense that can't carry the team through the offense's ups and downs. Maybe I'm finally learning not to get excited when players return from injury, because that first game back is almost never good. Aaron Jones and Christian Watson should be farther along now though, so I'm hoping to see the offense near full strength. This match-up has "bounce back game" written all over it, but in the NFL you can never be sure what's going to happen.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:12 pm

It's a long season, Greg, and a rough game. It tests the depth of a team's roster. Right now, after training camp and the exhibitions and now the first four games, we're finally getting all of the guys we need on offense and some time to practice and get healthy. We have two games against teams that we should be able to beat,and if we do, I'll be happier than a pig in mud.

Discarding our first game against the Bears, we're surrendering about 25 ppg, including the punt return, but we're scoring under 21, including the 7 the defense scored.

Our really good players on offense aren't getting enough touches/targets because we're not staying on the field. IMO, that should be the focus of the offense. The big plays will flow out of that, if we can just keep the offense on the field.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 09, 2023 at 02:02 pm

which in turn helps that damn defense. get a lead. eat some clock. shorter passes, more ball control, more first downs.

the failures are the failures of a young team. MLF has to help them be successful.

same thing true in Minnesota, they have a boatload of talent, but they aren't getting it done.

chicago on the other hand is a bad football team.

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TxFred's picture

October 09, 2023 at 09:11 am

MLF says he's s fed up. So are the fans. Watch the development in the OL blocking. Especially the run blocking. Check to see if they have been coached up on head, hands placement. Shoulder pads squared & active footwork. Of course are holes open. You know basic fundamental blocking. Pass blocking for another day. GPG

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:01 pm

A missed run block means a failed run, but a missed pass block can get the centerpiece of your offense injured and out for the season.

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pantz_bURp's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:05 am

Something like character, you never truly know what a player has until tested in the NFL (and over time).

With Love as QB, I am thrilled he is our quarterback and finally given the chance to see what kind of growth and player he is currently and the skill set improving moving forward. Time will tell, but as a person being tested, very proud of him and I appreciate/respect his style displayed to date.

I feel we are already winners this season in that our coaches seem to appear to be more closely looked at, our salary cap will be more balanced in the next couple years, and our players are starting to have more time playing together for future games to develop timing, understanding tendencies, preferences, etc..

I just want to see effort and heart and accountability and the ability to make adjustments which will eventually develop a brand of football that is more physical when counted on. We appear to be a faster team, younger team, so let's work on the physicality part now.

*One that translates to success in the playoffs (not just the regular season)...we (they) are working towards that, I sure hope anyways.

**Selfishly, I want our D to be able to dominate at some point. Defense travels well and can demoralize an opponent.

***get me Mike Tomlin, somehow...please!

GPG!

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:43 am

it was my fantasy some years ago that we might swap Pittsburgh native Mike McCarthy for Mike Tomlin. New locker rooms for both, so that the message was refreshed in both cases.

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pantz_bURp's picture

October 09, 2023 at 10:52 am

I like both gentlemen. A huge thank you to Coach McCarthy and him getting the Pack a Superbowl win!! I thought he was so impressive that season with his attitude and how the talented players bought into it.

Now, get me Coach Tomlin...IT...IS...TIME! 🤘😁✌️

*Bitter, I really appreciate your fantasy and swap. I would have been onboard immediately! Thanks for carrying the G!

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Packerpasty's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:17 am

So far to me Love has done nothing thrilling, competent at time yes, he seems to me to be a career middle of the road QB...he's been around the team long enough now that his accuracy should have improved from college, it hasn't....will it?? Doubtful...

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Starrbrite's picture

October 09, 2023 at 11:54 am

I too believe the 50% completion rate is a huge red flag. Can it be fixed—I hope so.
Go Packers!!!

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:39 pm

Of course...just throw more short, high % passes. But that's not our way. We like to swing for the fences when we can.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:07 pm

and here I thought hero ball was all on AR...and running the clock down to 1 or 2 sec's....seems its the same old shit minus the eye rolls...

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Coldworld's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:42 pm

Depending on the assessment source, Live completed somewhere between 64% and 70% during the best down by Detroit, despite being under heavy pressure and with zero run game attempted, let alone delivered.

I found that startling. Then I recalled that the other think I noticed at the time was the absence of frequent drops. Finally I read a piece that discusses what Tom Clements said and a follow up fbased on Vrabel’s comments. His words are worth reading.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/packers-qb-jordan-love-ranks-last-in...

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/young-receivers-factor-jordan-loves-...

In terms of passes thrown, Love is in the top six in passes 10 to 19 yards downfield and 20-plus yards downfield and in the bottom five in passes 0 to 9 yards downfield and behind the line of scrimmage, according to PFF.

It’s revealing to look at completion rate by receiver over the season (3 games): 62.5 percent of his passes to Doubs, 52.2 percent to Reed, 46.2 percent to Wicks, 44.4 percent to Toure.

It’s dangerous to look at one stat in isolation and draw conclusions. It’s also dubious to assume that any starting QB won’t take time before consistency develops, particularly as the same is true of WRs, in our case, all but Doubs really this year.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:04 pm

WAY too soon to be making pronouncements like that about JL10's career. Our OL needs to keep him clean, rather than leaving him to run for his life.

When he misses easy layups but throws long distance dimes, it's not accuracy he lacks. It's consistency.

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fireball's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:25 pm

I did not know that Love has the lowest completion rate percentage of all the NFL quarterbacks playing. Not good. Not good at all. I'm starting to get the idea that maybe Love will end up being, as they say, just a " middling " quarterback, nothing special, not good or bad, just average. Still, we're not even to the middle of the season, yet. So. . .

From what I read, I get the impression that the Raiders are worse than the Packers. I don't know. For me, since the Packers don't look that good, I think the game is up for grabs. In fact, if Davante Adams plays and links up well with his quarterback, I think we're doomed to lose.

But the game should be really interesting with all the evaluating of the Packer players and coaches that will go on.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 09, 2023 at 12:37 pm

I was looking at Love's completion percentage. If you start factoring in passes like jet sweeps, WR screens, dump offs to the RB, sacks, and forced scrambles, his completion % probably isn't even as high as 33rd.

But if you look at his adjust net yards/attempt...which factors in sacks and interceptions, he's #16.....AVERAGE.

I think if we can protect Love and give him time, he'll get the ball to our ball movers and good things will happen. The difference between 56% completions, and 66% completions, is 10 passes out of 100. If you're throwing 33 passes, it's 3 more completions/game That's three more touches for Doubs & Co.

I'm not seeing Love in the mold of a guy like Marino who could just stand in the pocket and throw darts. He doesn't seem like a dart thrower to me....he's not that precise.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:34 pm

LH,

and yet sometimes, JL10 has thrown a dime a very long way into tight windows. I think he CAN be accurate. I just wish he wouldn't try threading needles for a while. Just like I wish Nixon wouldn't try returning from 8 yards deep in our end zone without a clear path to gain field position.

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4thand10's picture

October 12, 2023 at 09:17 pm

If love wins more than 6 games…that’s a win. Rodgers first season was 6 wins. That’s the bar.

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Spy in Mn's picture

October 09, 2023 at 02:14 pm

One re-occuring throught I've had re: the Joe Barry not being fired already by MLF. Do we know for sure that it is MLF's decision? I don't trust the non-transparency of the current MM organizational structure. When MLF came in, I know if was strongly "suggested" by upper management that he hold on to the current DC. How do we know that the current decisions (Barry, Drayton) are not a "team effort", and MLF does not have the authority to fire, but is playing "faithful soldier" and not saying anything. Thoughts?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 09, 2023 at 06:38 pm

Exactly.

I don't think MLF has the authority to make that decision. Which side of that debate he's on I'm not sure, but before week 1 he'd be in danger of gaining a reputation as a HC who fires staff too quickly and then never be able to assemble talent.

Now? While he might be viewed better, I'm not sure anybody's available ...

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