"I don't know about you, but when you're asked why Barry is back and your lead is it's about continuity"

Yup, lets worry about continuity when you have seven 1st round drat choices lining up and you still look completely lost most games and continue to make the same mistake again and again. Hmmm, I wonder what he said about keeping and promoting Drayton as ST Coordinator after 2020?

Love...So glad there's a plan for Love. I understand he needs playing time, but don't get stupid with him and play him longer than he should be out there and have some overzealous UDFA tear up his knee. I think he THRIVES in this offense.

Watson and Doubs...I'm STOKED to watch these two this season. We keep talking about the jump Watson will make and I think he will, ESPECIALLY seeing the REAL MLF offense and not the watered down version Rodgers insisted on running. But Doubs was pretty impressive last season until he got hurt. There's A LOT to be excited about... NOW, lets ADD to the WR and TE group in the draft...EARLY!

No Douglas at Safety? Savage AT Safety? I think I'm going to be sick. Get ready Rudy Ford!

Gute or Rodgers?... I TELL you who I voted for since I've hardly ever commented recently on what I think of Rodgers. ; )

I believe Gute without a doubt. Now I'm sure there was a little extra thrown in by Gute but all in all I believe Gute. All I know is I CAN'T WAIT when talking about the GB Packers QB, it's all about FOOTBALL and not everything other God Damn thing not related TO Football. Like darkness, body cleansing, or Ayawaska!

Wow, what a concept!

Al, I kid you not, but, this is how I just read your lead in:

“I don’t know about you, but when you're asked why Barry is back and your head is about to explode…”
(adjusts glasses)

LOL. It’s early. It was too funny not to share.

Love the plan.

Watson & Doubs are going to explode onto NFL secondaries. Love, with that quick release, and the arm strength & accuracy for two deep ball aficionados?

Look out!

Suuul!!! I like it. Moving corner to safety is just not an automatic thing.

Nixon being integrated to slot coverage and keeping Savage makes sense. I’m hoping to see Savage bounce back to being the player we drafted him to be. I’m a Stokes fan left wondering myself. Maybe his ankle and knee injuries v. DET that finished his season are more severe than we know. Hoping for the best for Eric Stokes, and his healthy return.

OT class - Totally agree it’s light up top, but I do think there’s some good value players smattered throughout.

I’m always reminded of David Bakhtiari’s draft profile, and how skinny he was when he came in to start at LT as a rookie.

Almost all of them need sand in the pants, which is cured by a year or two of pro-level training tables plus the training.

I’m a little more encouraged than you are with this OT class, but I get what you’re talking about. There’s one in a class all his own. Another just a notch below, a small notch, then a group of around 3 you can be excited about, another 8 to 12 stretching into Day 3 that could get the job done.

A couple OGs I like who really are OGs…!!! (TK - yo.)

There’s some Centers to be had.

Actually, I'm not going to vote about it, either. No offense.

Thankfully, next year we will no longer need to endure all of the insufferable "move Lazard to tight end" crap. Imagine how cool it would be if MLF's comments quashed the "move Rasul to safety" crap, too! Goodness, what would people talk about?

Well, I do want to talk about Rodgers! I get the feeling that the majority of us have moved forward from Rodgers. Many of us did this last year. We know his shtick and are glad to have the Jets play his game. What I am starting to fear is that we have a front office problem.

I was optimistic when Gutekunst became the GM. Between him and Murphy, we have a lot of unnecessary talk and a fair amount of ego. Why couldn't Gutekunst keep his mouth shut about Rodgers at these team meetings?! Make up anything but don't try to make yourself look good by making Rodgers look bad. The Packers publicly burned the Rodgers bridge. Talk about throwing leverage out the window. If I were the Jets, I would downgrade my offer.

Aside from our pro scout guy, I have very little confidence that this front office knows what it is doing let alone building a championship team.

Take Branch or Baily at 15 and then move Rasul to safety.
However, we still have Barry. So 'It just doesn't matter'.

So much of LaFleur's commentary on players is premature. They're going to play guys and use guys based on what's in the locker room and available when the games start. I'll all but guarantee that if they draft a CB early (and don't find another playable S) that they'll be investigating some CB's ability to play deep. Maybe they have that much faith in guys like Ford and Moore to play next to Savage, and that Savage got his head on straight at the end of 2022 enough that they think he will be OK. I'd still be looking for someone else who can play...especially someone who can handle the single-high looks.

They paid Nixon based on his ability to not just return kicks, but also to play meaningful snaps at DB--probably moreso for that. Yes, he was a great returner, but KR are fairly easily neutralized--we saw Detroit do it with directional kicking, and they pounded Nixon on his returns. Assuming Stokes comes back healthy, they have four playable CB...probably need to find one more.

OT Class--the top of the class might be underwhelming, but there are developmental guys who could be players after a year in the weight room and with additional coaching. They've aligned themselves so that they really don't need that OT this season, but they probably will in 2023--which gives guys line Jones, Walker, and a draft pick, time to show they belong. Could be the Packers draft a true, thumping OG, and there are a few of those in this class.

No matter how you figure the Barry move you still get wood under the fingernails!

Well then, let’s give ‘em something to talk about.

I am hopeful that Woody gets impatient and makes it happen.

MLF said," they had to pump the brakes on Love just a bit."
Sure - Ever go down hill without brakes. No emergency Brake?
I don't need to talk about Rodgers.
Instead lets talk about why Gutey was so anxious to move on.
Of course it just fulfilled his plan when he drafted Love.
But Hate is hate. He's such a pathological liar.
And not only Do we have a bust with Savage.
I believe you can add stokes to that list too.
I prefer Douglass at CB. Learning new positions takes time.
Ot just might be in play @15.
Trading down gives us that extra pick.
But I'm not going to comment on Trading Rodgers.
And I would replace Lazard with Rashee Rice.
This team has more problems than Barry.
And with the Loses of Reed and Lowrey.
I'm not so sure Gutey shouldn't draft the DL.
Roy and Brooks just might be the killer's needed; in 4 & 5.
Ok let's not talk about Rodgers, but a FO change.

Woody? 🤪

Not moving Douglas tells me that they expect to draft a true safety, pick up a FA or use one of the ST’s guys on the roster. Keeping Barry tells me that he plans to have a serious talk with him and the new CB assistant about coverage plans. And as far as OT, I expect they draft a few because they always do. And unless a gem is unexpectedly there, it will be in the later rounds.

Bringing Barry back for continuity?!?!?! Sounds like MLF is OK with the continuity of mediocrity! Maybe he will enable Bisaccia to infuse a sense of urgency into Barry's defense.

Al your survey question needed a third choice. I don't believe either of them. They both have their own agendas and both of their agendas are self serving and not necessarily about what is best for the Packers.

Savage to safety!!?? WE've seen that movie and it doesn't end well.

A plan for Love!!! Really, I would hope so. They want to give him more snaps. They should have done that while Rodgers was injured in 2022 when the snaps would have been meaningful and showed the team if he can actually play. Instead they want to give him more snaps during meaningless preseason games when he will playing against second stringers and guys who won't be in the league when it's over. Great plan. Why not send him to college team for a few weeks. The more I hear/read MLF speak the more I hear gibberish.

If Rasul and Alexander are on the boundary what does that mean for Stokes?

Watson and doubt need to stay on the field. If that happens we'll be OK as the season progresses.

OT class. Since I haven't seen any members of the class play I can't comment on the class. However, AL knows what he is talking about when it comes to OT so if he says the class is not great I'm going with that.

Good job Al. Thanks, Since '61

--As Dob mentioned, we have many T prospects on the roster hopefully 1 or 2 develop, and a young draftee CB playing center field could playout well.
-- A stud G in a mid round would be good or can one of our Ts fit there. I would go for the latter as we have other needs.
-- 2--2s this year and a 1 next year? One would think that compensation should have been worked out before announcement of a trade. Bizarro situation. However, I think Jets are in a tougher situation because we have a QB they don't.
--Barry's defense could rebound to a previous season performance. A DE/DT and a young CB/S could greatly help. Let's not forget, 6 against the pass, 26 versus run.

Here's a super sleeper RT prospect for one of our 7th-round picks. Jake Witt from Northern Michigan University. The kid is raw and an athletic freak! Plus, he's a yooper, so you can't go wrong..

Al, you forgot a ballot box. I can't believe everything either said and, believe some of what both said. They'd make top notch politicians.

They might be planning on teaming Savage over the top of Rasual and leaving J.A. on an island. Might work, just not all the time.

LaFleur's chat -
I don't know why this is not the year to rip off that bandaid. They decided as a team to move on from Rodgers. They apparently decided to move on from Crosby. Why not make the move and move on from Barry. Now some of what LaFleur said about Barry was true. He made some changes later in the season and it worked better. But I just don't get that if the franchise is going to reset itself, why they don't change the DC as well.

I'm not going to talk about Aaron Rodgers...

Plan for Love -
They have a plan. The plan is to get Love as many live reps as possible. To build as much starting reps with his fellow starters as possible. BUT its also about getting whoever is going to be his main backup as many reps as possible. They will most likely be breaking in a new backup and will need to get him as many reps as possible as well. Whether it ends up being a veteran or rookie.

I'm not going to talk about Aaron Rodgers...

The Law Firm of Watson and Doubs -
This is going to be a tremendous duo. Doubs was one of the top rookie WR's until he got hurt. He was becoming our number 1 WR until he got hurt in Detroit. Even the first play of that game went to him for a big gain. I'm excited for the future of these 2 guys. That being said they have to continue to develop and they have to find more guys to go with these guys. Toure and Melton are intriguing. They could perhaps be the hidden gem type. But either way, they have to continue to add top tier talent around Love. He will need as much help as he can get starting for the first time.

I'm not going to talk about Aaron Rodgers...

Rasuuuuuuuulllll -
I like Douglas at outside CB. I don't' get why they ever tried experimenting with him in the slot. So the question is about Stokes. What about if they put Alexander in the slot? He is more then capable of doing it. I don't believe Stokes is a slot CB . And we will have to see how Stokes comes back from his injury. It sounds like they are planning to have Nixon do some slot work as well.

I'm not going to talk about Aaron Rodgers...

Nixon/Savage -

OT Class -
Last year in the draft they drafted Rhyan who was a T, Tom who had played T, and Rasheed Walker who was a T. Then they picked up Tenuta who was a 6th round pick, and they got Caleb Jones as an UDFA. They brought in 5 guys that can play OT. Call me crazy but I'm not concerned about our OT position with Bakhtiari back. We will see if Yosh comes back (I believe he will be back). So with that being said, I'm happy they went OT happy last year.

Who do you believe more - Aaron Rodgers or Brian Gutekunst?
More? that is a good question. I believe they each are telling their own versions of the truth. And the real truth is in between somewhere. The comment that I am hung up on from Gutey was "they couldn't get a hold of him and they had to make a decision". I compare that to Rodgers comments of "I came out of the darkness and something changed". Gutey can easily say that they tried calling him and he wouldn't return the calls. But perhaps it was when he was in the darkness where he didn't have his phone and whatnot. So he is telling the truth, but not telling the whole truth kind of thing.

Regardless, they need to get the deal done and move on. Give us both 2nd round picks this year, and a conditional pick next year. I will throw back a 2025 3rd round pick if Rodgers doesn't come back next year or if they don't win the super bowl this year.