Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Jonesing for Jones

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Keeping up with Jones - From reading the posts and comments on CHTV this week, it seems Caleb Jones is the newest addition to the Packers UDFA hype train. And I fully admit to getting a bit overexcited myself seeing him manhandle a few third-stringers on the Saints' defense. But to suggest he would be ready to play against front-line NFL pass rushers is a bit absurd. His footwork needs a lot of refinement, despite what you may have heard/read. While Wendell Ferreira made a good case yesterday for the Packers keeping 10 linemen to start the season with Jones as the 10th - that would be temporary at best. He is primarily a practice squad candidate, and we will all over-worry that he will be claimed by another team - same as we do every year over some camp/preseason favorite. Yet it almost never happens. Then again, maybe the one time I'm not worried about it, it will happen - hope I didn't jinx it.

J-E-T-S - Is it just a preseason thing or are they really going to run more jet sweeps during the season?  Feels like we've seen more in these two preseason games than in any two games from last year.

Roster Moves - Tough break for Vernon Scott. I knew it was a bad injury by the way his arm was hanging down as he walked to the tunnel. Fortuitous break for Micah Abernathy - in the right place at the right time. Good move for Cole Van Lanen. I frankly have NEVER seen him as anything more than a last-man-in-the-OL-group utility guy. And even with that, I had some doubts. Going to a team like the Jaguars will give him a better chance at staying in the NFL.

What was that? Hard to believe that years later, you still can't hear a lot of the media members' questions during press conferences. And when Aaron Nagler mentioned upgrading the media room to Mark Murphy, he said he was under the impression it had already been done. Maybe he should try listening, sometime.

Love Winfree - That pass from Love to Winfree showed a lot more touch by Love than we've ever seen. Dropped it in perfectly!

 

 

Return to Sender - So, defending kickoff returns are still going to be a problem? The Packers kicked off five times against the Saints, with one touchback. They gave up a total of 137 yards on four returns, an average of 34.25 per return with a long of 42 yards. Hopefully, Crosby is working on his leg strength and can maybe get some more touchbacks, which apparently is the only safe play for the Packers.

WTF? - Not Packers or football-related, but I have to ask - is this something anyone has ever seen or done? Or is he just another escapee from the asylum?

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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NickPerry's picture

August 24, 2022 at 06:21 am

J-E-T-S...I sure hope so. Hell, Amari Rodgers had one run last year and it was a jet sweep for 11 yards...MLF never went back to it with him. I didn't understand it then or now. Now it doesn't have to be Rodgers running it either, but he HAS looked quicker and faster this year so it's not a terrible way to use him. I'd like to see Christian Watson run a few sweeps too myself.

CVL... Just good luck to Cole. I hope he's able to stick with the Jags or anyone else for that matter and continue to fulfill his dream.

WTF...Just WTF!!! I'm not sure what's nastier...Actually putting a hotdog in a beer or sucking on the hotdog to drink your beer. I think Al is on the money...Escaped for an asylum!

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Bure9620's picture

August 24, 2022 at 08:25 am

The thought of sucking on a hot dog has never crossed my mind....straws work better in my experience.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 10:00 am

I think EQ ran them after that a few times. Not that that doesn’t beg more questions too.

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Tundraboy's picture

August 24, 2022 at 01:29 pm

Looks like something out of Trailer park boys, except with beer. Never underestimate stupidity.

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Savage57's picture

August 24, 2022 at 06:24 am

The Hot Dog Straw seems like something from a bad SNL skit.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 06:41 am

He needs a Spud, the beer for people who can't taste the difference!

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dobber's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:30 am

Two things...
One--he knew he was being recorded, and people do just about anything these days for social media
Two--how many empties do you think were under his seat?

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:45 am

Oh man, yeah. It really sucked.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 06:40 am

I think that dude has some issues, some obvious and some latent.

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stockholder's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:38 am

Caleb Jones made 24 starts at Rt for the Hoosiers. I know the staff likes Versatility. But; He’s already better than Spriggs. Start him. Seems like a waste putting Jenkins there.
Jet sweeps - More for Watson.
Roster moves.- Abernathy would have beat Scott out. No loses so far.
Love - Winfree.- Yes Very nice touch on that ONE play. The Trade value may never be higher, For both. The value is always in the eye of the beholder.
After last years kicking problems. Ahmad might be the solution, long term.
WTF- He's from The hippie Culture Of the 60s.

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dobber's picture

August 24, 2022 at 08:05 am

"Seems like a waste putting Jenkins there."

The Packers are going to end up paying Jenkins as a tackle. Jenkins' agent would be foolish to settle for anything less because his value on the open market--assuming he plays capably in 2022--will be pretty high. Tackle is a priority position, and right now the Packers have more questions than answers at T. They should see if he's a good tackle.

" But; He’s already better than Spriggs."

Spriggs was a wet noodle. He was still rostered until about two weeks ago.

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stockholder's picture

August 24, 2022 at 10:54 am

Yes - Very True. But I was Hyping Jones.

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Bure9620's picture

August 24, 2022 at 08:32 am

Jones is very raw, yet I would like to see him on the 53 and used for short yardage situations as a 6th
O-lineman. I firmly believe there is a place in the NFL for a man his size that can simply just move other large humans against their will. The Packers have sucked at short yardage for years now as they really don't draft road graders for offensive linemen due to scheme. AJ Dillion running behind Caleb Jones fixes this. 3rd or 4th and short or goal to go I want to see this. Honestly this could mean the difference of the offense staying on the field or not, much much more valuble than a 6th or even 7th receiver who would in all likelyhood be inactive.

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Oppy's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:08 pm

Yup. If you can find a way to keep Caleb Jones on the roster, he'd be a great candidate for filling out a personnel grouping for a new "U-71" formation

When I first heard the pack got a UDFA OL who was 6'8", 370lb I figured he was just going to suck. He was pancaking guys left and right.

I'm not naive enough to believe watching a rookie play in garbage time during a preseason game tells you much of anything about his ability to play competently on game day, but you can't teach his raw size and he at least showed he's not an utter embarrassment. Practice squad him, let's see if he develops over a year.

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Oppy's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:09 pm

He's made a number of great passes, you just refuse to see them.

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jcod3's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:40 am

Agree on all points. The hotdog straw is gross. Only in NY 😜

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dobber's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:45 am

Keeping up--The Packers have gone two straight years where they've essentially done a "rostered redshirt" for an OL: Nijman in 2020 and Hanson in 2021. It could very well be that Jones gets that treatment this season. Someone else said this before, but without any TE who are blockers (aside from Lewis) looking like they'll make the 53, this guy might be targeted for the goal-line/short yardage packages.

J-E-T-S--We've been hearing the Packers want to utilize that sweep and sweep action, but didn't show it very much last year. Maybe they're putting it on film to give opponents more to worry about...maybe they plan to actually use it more. Whatever the case, a friend who is a football coach told me that jet/sweep action is a very practice intensive set to run and get right, so if they're showing it, I think it leans toward using it more. That said, the Packers have never been picky about who they give that ball to...Allen Lazard, ESB, Geronimo Allison. I wouldn't immediately say that this means number 8 will see his reps increase.

CVL--good move for van Lanen. He wasn't going to make this 53. Good move for the Packers. They got something tangible in return (and a 7th from Jax likely won't be an end-of-7th pick). Gutey works the phones around cutdowns, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's another move (or two) in the works somewhere, especially if it means they can bring in a S....on that note: Douglas playing S more in practice tells you 1) that they're worried about S depth, and 2) that they like their 4th and 5th CBs more than their 3rd S right now. Tough break for Vernon Scott: he seemed to be in the doghouse all of 2021 and had moved himself to the top reserve S position.

Return to sender--To be fair, with the top 18-ish rostered guys not suiting up for these preseason games, Bisaccia may be working with day-old donuts with regard to his STs in PS games. The Titanic couldn't turn on a dime, and it's a lot to ask for these STs to be world-beaters out of the gate.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:53 am

Andy Herman said Lowry and Hanson have played better than people give them credit for. I didn't understand last year why Hanson made the roster, I thought judging by his work in preseason games he was an easy slide to the PS. Obviously they've thought enough of him this year not to give Tom any C snaps. I'm doubtful but maybe I'm letting last year bias my opinion.

I know Lowry has been mentioned a few times. Had a couple batted passes and some run stops. If they could get a decent S or TE for him I'd be ok with it but I also wouldn't mind him being part of the rotation come playoff time either.

https://twitter.com/AndyHermanNFL/status/1562121334720692226?t=5tGGMs2ri...

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 24, 2022 at 08:17 am

Keeping up with Jones -
Jones is definitely a work in progress player. I think the comparison to Yosh is a pretty good one. Yosh wasn't ready when they kept him on the 53. But they didn't want to risk losing him. Like they say, they only make so many big men in this league. I'm not saying they will keep Jones, but i would not be surprised if they did.

J-E-T-S -
I hope so! I felt they didn't run nearly as much motion last year as they have in the past. I do feel like that was missing from the offense. Adding more motion will help keep teams guessing what is going to happen. This is where the young WR's will really come into play. I think this is where they envision using Rodgers. Basically as the Tyler Ervin part of the offense.

Roster Moves -
Any time you can get a draft pick for a player that you were likely going to cut, is a great move by the GM. I was hoping Van Lanen was going to take a step this year and earn a spot. It just wasn't going to happen. Now he has a chance to make it with another team.

What was that?
Yeah it would be nice to be able to clearly hear everyone. It is better then it used to be though.

Love Winfree -
I'm not saying that Love is the next Rodgers. But I am saying that I'm happy to see that Love is progressing. If he has to go in and play, i feel better about our chances of winning games this year then i did the last 2 years.

Return to Sender -
I'm really hoping its more of the fact that a lot of these guys won't be there. I'm hoping the better players playing on teams will mean better results. Uhh. hopefully!

WTF? -
ummm.... I got nothing.

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murf7777's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:01 am

RC….we agree a lot, but comparing Yosh to Caleb is apples to oranges. Yosh is 6’7 315 and Caleb is 6’9 and 370+ who has ballooned to over 400 in college. For many reasons there’s not many his size successful in the NFL. He’s far from ready to be playing against starters in the NFL.

I’m not saying to not try to stash him onto the PS, but to use one of the 53 where you have to cut someone more valuable isn’t smart IMO. We will see, but I think I will be right on.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:10 am

We do agree most of the time Murf.
However, I'm not necessarily comparing Jones to Yosh as players. I'm more comparing the situation. When Yosh was kept on the 53, most didn't feel he was ready. GB thought he was a guy they wanted to keep around because they saw raw talent with him. They may see the same thing with Jones. I have no idea if they do or not, but most of us see talent there.

You very well could be right that they will try to get him on the 53. I'm just more/less pointing out that they kept Yosh when most didn't think they would. They could do the same thing with Jones.

Another thing I have seen a lot is talk about Jones Weight. That he is 370. Which he was at the draft. I saw a report recently that said he dropped a bunch and was closer to 330. I don't know if its true or not, and maybe someone can confirm that. But if it is true it shows his dedication a bit more.

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murf7777's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:33 am

RC…if he’s at 330 that would help a lot, but I thought it was more that he lost the lbs to get to the 370. Anyways, we will find out Tuesday. I just think there are other depth needs on this team vs keeping a 10th Lineman. As always, difficult decisions coming soon.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 10:30 am

I think this weight conversation needs to be tempered by frame. Take a look at the man. He’s not fat. He’s got a huge frame. I don’t know what his weight is now and they are unlikely to tell us. Look at the body, mobility not some random number. Look at play not preconceptions.

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murf7777's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:04 am

CW...you won't leave this alone...lol. Btw, on the last post when I mentioned watching film, you thought I meant college and you used the excuse that he was overweight than. The reality is Indiana showed him at 362Lbs and there were rumors he ballooned to over 400. I was actually talking about the two times he went out and tried to block LB/S on pulling in the New Orleans game. He didn't perform well in that aspect. He did do very good at pass blocking and run blocking when he didn't have to pull, but that was against 2nd & 3rd stringers without much stunting etc....going on.

I know you think he is athletic, but the numbers show otherwise. He doesn't have much but I found the College combine tests from NFL Draft Buzz and his vertical is 21", he benches only 18, which shows lack of strength for his size, and he is slow 5.6 in the 40. They don't show any agility tests or speed splits. Now compare that to Josh N. Vertical is 30, Bench 27 and 40 time is 4.88. Josh also excelled at the broad, shuttle and 10 and 20 yd splits. Josh's RAS was 9.8.

The eye test also shows he needs to work on his footwork he doesn't always keep them moving and again he just not that athletic while having to pull and run block. He's not fleet of foot like Tom or Josh. They will stash him onto the PS and see how he develops if they like him. Also, there's other positions we will need for depth than a 10th OL.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 12:06 pm

There again, number not eyes. He’s a surprise to me. As I’ve explained, he doesn’t look like the guy he did last year. He’s not looking overweight as far as I can see.

So, numbers and weight versus performance. I will take the admittedly surprisingly mobile guy we’ve seen and what he’s done over your numbers and preconceptions of what a guy hus size needs to weigh.

He’s got potential risk. Playing with the twos, he’s allowed one pressure over 2 games. Is that starter good? No, but I’d put him up over Newman at T right now. Give him time and he’s only going to improve his technique.

We will still see what they do with him now, but I hope they do so on play in his time here not abstract notions of what he should weigh or numbers that have been visually contradicted. I assume you are down on Enagbare too. I’m not. He’s shown enough to discount his tested lack of athleticism.

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murf7777's picture

August 24, 2022 at 12:29 pm

I like Enagbare, I think he might be a diamond in the rough. Between him and Doubs I was very surprised how long they lasted in the draft. We can disagree on CJ and that’s ok. It’s what makes this site interesting, different perspectives. Keeping in mind, I want to see him get to the PS, just not take up a 53 right now.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 01:59 pm

I will be very surprised if he is exposed to waivers. I’m not usually one who worries about that either. Particularly so with RBs and WRs, but I see plus potential in Toure. I’d say the same if Goodson but as a slot/option not a full time RB. So this is an unusual year for me.

I genuinely see more potential in them than I have in possible waiver candidates for several years (the exception being Nijman, but given he wasn’t just raw but still mooing, I figured we’d be fine with him.

All have weaknesses, all aren’t finished, all have shown the potential to have a very high ceiling. Those guys you keep away from others. I could be wrong in my assessments too, I wanted to give Moore more time because of his other gifts. That said I’m confident that these three could be important help in our future.

I fear we will expose Toure and may not even keep Goodson because of Rodgers. I hope we manage to have all 3 this time next year. It will be interesting to see what changes on Thursday, but once made I only consider draft position if I see talent (potential) to match it. I don’t with any of these three.

I see a player who is nothing like his bigger college self, A WR (whom I loved after a heads up from a friend) with real speed and catch radius with a small school and unsexy background in a packed class and a RB I didn’t rate till I realized just how good his hands are and how well he can run in space—then I realized that he should be slot/option guy with the potential to better and more versatile version of Ervin as a catcher and as a part-time backfield option like Cobb was in his youth.

I’m more excited about the potential of those 3 than I am about a number of much higher recent draft picks. It’s what you have, not how they got here. Just as it was with Campbell and Douglas (can Abernathy be another?). I don’t think any of them will stick on our PS all season.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:09 am

Yosh was not kept on the 53 as a rookie. He was waived and signed to the PS.

I think the likelihood that Jones would make the PS after being cut is very high. 32 teams did not view him worthy of even a late rd draft pick just 5 months ago. What has changed since then to elevate him to a 53 team roster?

Also, Walker...Gutey did draft Walker over Jones. Walker had the better college career while playing just 3 years to Jones' 5 years. Walker would be just as likely to be claimed. He has T upside too at 6'6" 324 lbs.

Can't keep them both on the 53...one of them will be cut...and hired for the PS.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 01:33 pm

I loved that we got Walker, but the fact is that Walker has barely managed to string a couple of snaps together between having to take time off and, unsurprisingly, he’s looked bad when he did. The most likely outcome is that he goes in IR for next season before cut downs. If we keep him active, he’s going to make the PS without a problem as he’s obviously not ready physically.

He’s more like Yosh, who was buried in camp and got a few 4th quarter run snaps that just confirmed he was as raw as billed. It was obvious he was miles from playing. Jones has his potential captured for all to see he’s not what folk thought.

Walker had technical questions before getting hurt too. I think the best option with Walker is next year physically and I’m not sure that wasn’t what we anticipated and other teams expected. But, if not, I think he coasts through waivers.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:03 pm

If we could work with Caleb Jones for a year….weight room, dietitian, personal trainer, playbook….it’s possible that next year we could be looking at a stronger, leaner, smarter, quicker guy. But he’s not ready to play now. He’d be a gameday inactive most of fhis season

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PackfanNY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 08:56 am

I don’t get why we are having such a problem fixing special teams. Bisaccia certainly comes in well regarded. We have plenty of “new faces” and better athletes on the kick coverage teams. Point is it’s not the same faces that failed miserably the last couple of years. So what gives? The Packers clearly recognize the problem (what took so long?). I assume Bisaccia has his plan and schemes. I’m hoping that we are in the “implementation” phase and the regular season will reflect the progress. I mean is middle of the pack coverage too much to ask for? Other teams seem to have their hands around this. Why not us?

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PatrickGB's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:34 am

Training camp is for training and evaluation. Large numbers of players come and go. Part of the process is getting the best guys out and seeing what they can do or not do. In the past the players who were not considered starters became starters on ST’s. This year Bisaccia has a different plan. He is trying to get the best players suited to teams sorted out. I don’t expect a lot of schemes from him. I do think he will simply work on technique for those who roll in and out of the lineup. Given the number of players he has to train and evaluate there will be plenty of hiccups. It’s the regular season personal that will reflect his coaching of the WeFense.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:15 pm

Hahahahahahhaaaahhaha

Coaches at all levels have been trying to fix special teams for over 100 years. Do they look fixed to you?

It is the nature of the beast. There always have been, and always will be, fuckups on special teams. It’s not the coaches, it’s not the players. It’s that we have unrealistic expectations and as such, we give the bottom of the roster way more opportunities to screw us while in pursuit of a big play.

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Coldworld's picture

August 25, 2022 at 11:06 am

One thing is certain. 31 other coaches fixed them better than we did last year. When the next worst team on STs boasts about handing it to us through STs and then does exactly that then there is nowhere to hide and no excuse whatsoever.

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barutanseijin's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:23 am

The hot dog straw looks like a deliberate play for social media attention. Never underestimate the number of people who live every moment thinking about how they look on a phone video.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:47 am

the thought of what you wrote just makes me absolutely sick.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:48 pm

IDK, looked to me like he was being kind of sneaky about it. Like he didn't want someone asking WTH he was doing.

I simmer brats in beer but I never thought to drink it when I was done. My friends dog did one time and seemed pretty satisfied.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 25, 2022 at 02:14 am

I recommend using a Dunkel.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 25, 2022 at 03:33 pm

x

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 25, 2022 at 03:33 pm

not the first time a meat straw was sucked at a major league stadium...

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:28 am

"WTF? - Not Packers or football-related, but I have to ask - is this something anyone has ever seen or done? Or is he just another escapee from the asylum?"

I think this was staged. I don't think it is possible to create a hole in a hotdog using a conventional straw. So no, I don't buy it... it was probably done on purpose to generate more views.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:48 am

Attention whore with a pole-smoking oral fixation...

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:50 pm

I think it would be pretty easy to do. I kind of want to do it with a brat now just to freak my friends out. 😱

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 09:40 am

I just disagree on Jones. Not about him being ready to start (except over Newman), but about exposing him to waivers. I think we disagreed about Nijman on that subject too. Promising Ts with that amount of upside should be protected for the future.

Abernathy is still a mystery. He’s earned a good long look tomorrow. Whether he can justify being our 3rd S is still a big question. Gaines too deserved a shot that he will now get. The answer may not be on the roster, but we need a civer capable depth S if not 2. Those are our best hopes from that group.

I thought (guessed) that the kick offs were deliberate. That kicker has a very strong leg and the issue was accuracy coming in (he’s been good so far). We don’t learn anything by kicking it through the end zone therefore. I assumed the idea was to test ST players. That still seems the most logical explanation.

As far as ST personnel last week, I saw that as the big ST try out. A lot of guys getting a long look and others who have been mainstays being omitted. For example I think Summers was getting a last chance to make a case as opposed to evidencing that he will be in the roster. They got Ento heavily involved and tackling, I think testing him (he emerged as PFFs highest rated STer). Meanwhile guys like Nixon and Gafford barely got used. Nixon and Gafford (if rostered) will be mainstays and we know what they can do. So I deduce tryouts and experiments. Let’s see what they look like this week in the first half (after that they may use just about anyone to manage risk).

On the jet sweep: EQ was preferred last year. I never knew why. That said, this year I want it to be Watson. Bigger, faster, more experience running the ball and he can establish the tendency then go deep or act as a blocking WR from that formation. Failing that I’d use Goodson, faster, and really good if he finds a gap and is a genuine run threat or threat to run another route from the formation.

As far as the hot dog straw guy goes. What’s wrong with the kid in anyone breaking through if it doesn’t hurt others? If it made the guy happy or amused, WTF is wrong with that? I find it more disturbing that these things get videoed by others. If he likes it, he should be free to enjoy it and those deriding it and him would be better looking to their own foibles. This is an example of something that’s wrong, but not because some guy let out his inner kid. Good for him. More harmless silliness might do us all good, along with less censorial attitudes. I can’t say it looks very appealing, but if he likes it, good for him.

On the media room: if there were more insightful questions and less sycophancy I might be listening longer. I tend to wait till others actually sift out the relevant bits. That said, it would be frustrating as a reporter. Of course, if they didn’t all shout at once it would help. Perhaps it’s as much about the way they are run as acoustics?

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wildbill's picture

August 24, 2022 at 10:13 am

100% agree with you that they want the kickoffs in play. Now is the time to work on that coverage against real competition. Yes they might be low on the other teams roster but they are fighting for a job too so much effort is usually present. I don’t care what anyone says but practice speed and game speed is different, especially against men you haven’t been practicing against. Good post Cold

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JerseyAl's picture

August 24, 2022 at 12:29 pm

CW, not sure if you are talking to me, but Yosh was cut and brought back to the practice squad as a rookie. And he was thought to have more developed tools than Jones does. I remember Bakhtiari saying his feet were the best on the team or something like that.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 02:10 pm

I’ve been on the Nijman bandwagon since before that draft. I know he was waived in year one and I was fine with that then. I’ve explained the difference, but essentially Nijman was nothing more than an incredibly raw talent and the few 4th Q snap s he got just confirmed that. He had no technique at all just freak physique. He could run block if he got the right man. He was just allowed to physically overpower in college and there was controversy over whether he couldn’t take coaching or his college just let him win without trying to build technique. The next year most here he showed a little more but most were shocked when they rostered him. If anything he’s a closer analogy to Walker this year.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 24, 2022 at 10:30 am

What is concerning on STs is the kick coverage team.

I don't think Crosby is going to help out much unless he can kick it through the end zone. The Saints were successfully returning kicks from the end zone, clearly identifying it as a winning play vs the Packers poor coverage angles and tackling (still!). Hope the final coverage team has players who can follow assignments and tackle.

At least Bisaccia looked pissed off. Matt came up to him after one long return and it looked like Rich snarled angrily in reply.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2022 at 10:36 am

I think it’s worth noting that we have 2 weeks after the roster is finalized not 1. At that point RB has a fixed roster and time to hone the groups if LaFleur gives him that. I would be surprised if that’s not part of the planned process now there is no 4th game.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:31 am

Yep. So much will be going on behind closed doors now and two weeks to plan the raid on Vyqueenland.

I have confidence in Coach Rich. He's done it before.

The punt game looks improved and will get better. KO return game has shown some spark.

Kick coverage however, like last year, still gets attacked with successful returns from the end zone. Expect Rich will get a few better block shedders and tacklers for his starters.

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Since'61's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:05 am

WTF - having grown up in NYC, specifically the Bronx, the Hot Dogs at Yankee Stadium are just not very good. Hot Dogs should be grilled placed on a bun and dressed with only mustard and sauerkraut. That’s how real New Yorkers have traditionally eaten their hot dogs.

My guess is this person is not from NYC originally and if he is then he should be aware that “Bellevue is calling.” New Yorkers and medical personnel will know what that means.

Thanks, Since ‘61

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Cartwright's picture

August 25, 2022 at 03:25 am

Being a homeboy I know Bronx people to be both inventive and out to lunch. Apparently, he was being both and having a Bronxweiser! GBG

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Packers0808's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:06 am

Could be the Hot Dog guy is just living life the way he wants to!

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T7Steve's picture

August 24, 2022 at 01:27 pm

I just hope, that the guy doesn't have a mental handicap or something and was just bored so this web page doesn't look so pitiful like CW says. Another thing to add to no religion or politics?

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HarryHodag's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:07 am

One problem with guys Jones' size is they think they can overpower everyone so their basic techniques are flawed. If a defender allows them to reach them they are plowed over. But front line NFL ends and linebackers are too fast/smart to let that happen. Jersey Al is correct he's a project. I noticed him a year ago when I saw an Indiana game on the tube. He was a half-again bigger than any other lineman.

I think his best option is to drop about 20-30 pounds to increase his mobility .

Old-timer's story about player size: In the second Super Bowl the Raiders offered a DT who weighed a then almost unheard of 300 pounds. Most NFL offensive linemen were in the 250 pound range. The hype before the game is the 300 pounder would eat Jerry Kramer alive. The opposite happened. Kramer pushed him all over the field, opening big gaps. Proper technique by a smaller man will defeat a bigger man.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:54 am

A bigger man with proper technique will beat a smaller man 95% of the time.

Effort and technique can only carry a small guy so far. Equal technique and effort favors the larger man tremendously in physical contests.

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murf7777's picture

August 24, 2022 at 12:38 pm

That’s true if he can get their hands on the defender. But, if the big man, even with proper technique isn’t athletic enough (which I believe is the case with CJ) and he can’t get his big paws on the defender than the defender wins. Watch him try to block in the open field. Big isn’t always better…LOL.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:59 pm

Hmmm. Aaron Donald? One of the smaller DTs in the league where they are getting smaller all the time. I remember a college game in the 90's Houston vs Miami when Houston was good, 4th in the nation. Houston talked trash before the game so I thought "this oughta be good." There were times three Miami guys were across the LOS before the Houston OL we're out of their stances. They were noticably bigger and got absolutely destroyed that night. No accounting for speed when it comes in a football player.

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HarryHodag's picture

August 25, 2022 at 09:14 am

My point, again, is that most really large people don't do the techniques. That is why you don't have 7 footers playing football. They get eaten alive by smaller players.

Henry Jordan, 1960's Packers defensive tackle and Hall of Famer, played at around 230-235 pounds, light even for the time. But he was the quickest off the ball and was in the opponents backfield a lot. He also was strong enough to hold his own at the point of attack.

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JQ's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:27 am

On Love: In addition to the terrific throw, that clip shows him setting his feet and throwing the football with Great confidence. It shows improvement in several aspects of his game...at least on that throw.

CVL: A great ‘local kid makes good’ story, but I agree the Packers really don’t need another utility lineman. Gute did well to recoup a 7th for him. I wish Cole well and think he’ll have a real opportunity to play for the Jaguars.

Jones: I thought I’d read on a couple sites that he was ‘down to’ 350. I agree with the idea that he’s a practice squad guy, and think he’ll be safe UNTIL the Packer O-Line staff has had more time to work with him. At that point he may be poach-worthy.

Special Teams: I’ll wait and see what the regular season brings, but it discouraging to see mistakes like 12 players on the field or 10 on the field. That seems fundamental regardless of who is playing.

-JQ

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jont's picture

August 24, 2022 at 11:47 am

Hot dog guy is living in the future while I'm still skating on past glory. Do you remember when paper straws were the big thing? Well, I used one once and that saved a whale's life. I'm proud of that, but feeling behind the twitter curve now.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 08:01 pm

Skating away on the thin ice of a new day?

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PeteK's picture

August 24, 2022 at 01:59 pm

--From Swervin Ervin to Good n Plenty, he had an engine and he sure had fun. Come on, I'm trying.
--- That guy really sucks. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Hey, whatever floats your boat, but it is hilarious.

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LeotisHarris's picture

August 24, 2022 at 03:15 pm

I admire the creativity of Hot Dog Straw Man! Did he carefully cradle the bun in that flimsy container? I believe he did. A gift for the wife maybe? Seems like a strong yet sensitive guy.

There is no reason enthusiastic use of an encased meat straw can't thrive in the Badger State. I'll bet the gang at Hillshire Farms is working on prototypes as we sit. Brat Straw? Polish Straw? Kielbasa Straw? YES! Could a State where 7th, 8th, 9th, even double digit OWIs are far too commonplace embrace sucking beer through processed meat? I say yes. Yes, it can!

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 24, 2022 at 08:02 pm

Meat stick straw for Bloody Marys at Sunday brunch? Sign me up!

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Grandfathered's picture

August 24, 2022 at 07:41 pm

As a person who is hard of hearing, I appreciate the comment about not being able to hear a reporter's question in media interviews. I have toi guess what the question is based upon the answer given, which is not a good way to go since often players, coaches and executives don't really answer the question, and deflect or change the topic. Media people are supposed to be communications experts! Maybe attention to this matter will finally cause someone to step up and solve this.

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 25, 2022 at 03:28 pm

I've been a Packers fan for over 60 years. I've hated the Vikings for most of that time save for a small flirtation with the phenomenon that was Joe Kapp. But this? https://www.wweek.com/news/2022/08/24/minnesota-vikings-owner-plans-mass... This aggression must not stand. It's bad enough the Wilf's own that god-forsaken purple perpetual losing enterprise, but you keep your filthy money grubbing hands off my town, and quit killing our climate...

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