Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Love Up, Bears Down

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

The Packers completed their three-game sweep of the Vikings, Lions and Bears, a feat most of us likely would not have put in the "I totally expected it" category. I think we all would have taken a 2-1 record if given the opportunity beforehand, but lo and behold, the Packers are finding their mojo at the best time to do so. On the offensive side, it's rather obvious that Christian Watson was THE key part of the equation that was missing and has made up for the loss of Tucker Kraft. Now you also get Jayden Reed back and this presents some real gut wrenching decisions opposing defenses will have to make on the fly. On the defensive side, Chef Hafley is starting to cook up more than just basic defensive fare and pulling out some new recipes opposing offenses haven't tasted from him before. He has to mitigate the loss of Devonte Wyatt, and perhaps that's why we saw more creativity from the Packers front seven against the Bears. And I'm going to whisper this, but ... shhhh... the special teams were fine.

 

 

Random polluted thoughts:

Jordan Love -  If I had to pick one thing where I think Jordan Love has made the most improvement this year it's maintaining composure under pressure. He is much more likely now to stand in there with pressure in his face, keep his head and eyes up and on the receivers and deliver an accurate pass. You remember the fourth down pass last week to Wicks with Alim McNeil bearing down on him that basically clinched the win? That was a prime example and this game had one as well, albeit not as dramatic a situation. I considered this play for my "Three things..." post yesterday but ultimately didn't choose it. So I'll give it to you here:

 

As for the Love interception, one has to wonder what he saw, but with this caveat; LaFleur did say in his presser "There was some detail in the play that wasn't correct." After watching the play multiple times, it's really hard to figure out what that might be. Golden's route was fine, and a good pass would have been a first down conversion, but I think the ball was just severely underthrown. Perhaps Chris Brooks was supposed to continue his route and force CJ Gardner-Johnson to stay shallow, but even if CHGJ wasn't there at all, it doesn't look like the ball would have reached Golden. So, I'm stumped.

My only real complaint with the Packers' offense on Sunday is what they did in the first possession of the half. Up 14-3, it was an opportunity to step on the Bears' throats and kill their spirit.  I was hoping for a well thought out methodical drive down the field, instead we got a three and out that featured a couple of my favorite things; the second down handoff that actually loses a yard and a 3rd and 11 deep shot to a tightly covered Bo Melton. Melton actually does a smart thing and pulls down the DB to prevent an interception there. A better offensive plan for that opening drive of the second half could have made this game a much easier win. Oh, and deep shots to Doubs, which happened a bit later, are also not my favorite thing. He's not running away from anyone (OK, so there was more than one thing).

It's time for me to officially say it, looking towards next season, if I had to choose one, I'd take Enagbare over Gary considering salary cap issues, the return of Lukas Van Ness and especially if Brenton Cox Jr is also expected back. Of course Gary is the better player than Enagbare, steadier and more consistent overall, but Enagbare finds a way to make impact plays every game. And as I showed you in a previous week's "Three plays...," teams are taking advantage of Gary's slow change of direction ability on the edge by goading him into rushing inside and then racng past him, either with a quick outside toss to the running back or a QB keeper, which you saw in this game when Williams picked up a first down on a designed third down run in this manner. In addition to his sack, Enagbare made the most important tackle of the game, coming all the way from right defensive end with tremendous effort to stone Monangai on third and one. This forced the Bears into a fourth down play that became the Nixon interception. 

While not perfect, or near the best combo in the league, I'll take Keisean Nixon and Carrington Valentine as my cornerback duo every day of the week. They have the aggressive attitude that's needed for the position and back down from no one. I believe Nixon is currently second in the league in pass breakups.

It was a tight end smorgasbord on Sunday. All three tight ends caught passes and they seem to have found a smart rotation for this "three-headed animal." I won't say "monster" because neither of the three are that level, but they have some complimentary traits and are being used in a way to maximize those individual traits. That's good coaching. 

I feel like the offensive line has been on an upward trajectory since they settled on these five. This week will be the litmus test, however. I hope the Packers have a quick strike air attack in the works as well as a few draws and screens to keep the Denver pass rush off balance.

Go Pack Go!

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of various hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He's a lifetime Packers fan living in the land of the Giants (and Jets). Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Savage57's picture

December 10, 2025 at 05:57 am

You raise a good point, Al, about the Packers designed plays to use a team's aggressive pass rush against themselves.

Whatever happened to Screen Bay? I remember it was once a staple of the offense to make a D pay for their zeal.

I suspect there's a school of thought defenders have been coached up to defeat it, but like the power sweep, it's outcome is predicated upon execution, not trickeration.

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T7Steve's picture

December 10, 2025 at 06:09 am

One thing I'd like to see more of in the Broncos' game is the quick game. The downside of that is no rest for the D if it's not successful, but so far, they've been very good at it, slowing down the D and D rotation and putting long drives together by starting fast.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:25 am

My sense is Love seems to make more explosive plays from under center, during blitzes, on rollouts and during motion and using more up tempo. Not draining the play clock down to 1 or 2 seconds before the snap.

He's kind of like the Sundance Kid...he's better hitting his targets on the move and his receivers are also good adjusting to him on the go. I realize you can't go up tempo for long stretches because, while it quickly tires a defense and prevents substitution...your offense does get gassed too.

Yet up tempo, motion, rollouts are a sound situational football strategy and attack mode if you have the players and the plays. They do.

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davekenya's picture

December 10, 2025 at 12:52 pm

While I'd normally completely agree with this 'up tempo' notion, remember the air in Denver is thinner with less oxygen in it.

Visiting players tire more quickly, particularly those in high-intensity, repeated-effort positions like defensive linemen and linebackers. Apparently, athletes who train at sea level may experience a 10% drop in their body's ability to transport oxygen and get exhausted up to 20% faster at this elevation.

The Broncos historically attempt to leverage this by running a fast-paced or no-huddle offense in the second half or the fourth quarter to push the visiting defense to exhaustion. We need to have a good substitution pattern in place...maybe even testing whether a 'lesser qualified' player does better than a #1 or #2 player at a position who's completely gassed.

To mitigate the fatigue, visiting teams are sometimes advised to arrive in Denver as close to kickoff as possible (avoiding the period where the worst effects of altitude and disrupted sleep typically occur) -- I don't know what the travel schedule is for the Pack for this game...

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Razer's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:29 am

Just echoed your comment about starting fast and keeping our D fresh. Playing at altitude is no joke if we 3 and out our way through the second half.

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dobber's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:57 am

The team that had the most offensive success against Denver this season was the Giants. They almost beat the Broncos through chunk plays--some were a bit fluky, but they made chunk plays against that defense. Washington and Indy, too, but the Packers don't have a Jonathan Taylor. I think the lesson to be learned there is that the Packers have to be true to themselves and still find ways to take their shots.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:31 am

Caution will not beat a good D unless ours is better. That’s pushing it. You have to take shots against this team. It may cost you, but not doing so definitely will, as opponents have consistently found. Of course every team can have a one time implosion, but that’s what it will take for a cautious plan to bring victory.

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CanPackFan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 01:38 pm

I would not take the Broncos lightly as u suggest. They have won their last 10 straight, playing at home and have an awesome pass rush. Add in that we have not won there since 2007 and I do hope we don't see a let down after that big Bears game...

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T7Steve's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:02 pm

Certainly, won't take any team lightly. Look at the losses the Packers have had so far. I think there's no one with the Packers taking them lightly either. Even if you get lucky 10 in a row isn't an easy number to come by in the NFL so it's more than good bounces, but a good team makes things bounce their way.

Time for the Packers to do some bouncing.

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Savage57's picture

December 10, 2025 at 06:17 am

One other thing...

Matt, please jump into the Wayback Machine, and go dig up and dust off the up-out-post, fish route that AR and Jordy perfected.

Watson has the speed to run it, and Love has the arm to drop the biscuit in the basket, to borrow a hockey metaphor.

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mrtundra's picture

December 10, 2025 at 06:58 am

Jordy could catch over the shoulder passes better than Watson can. Love has to lead Watson when Watson runs a route.

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murf7777's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:47 am

Hmm, I have to wonder whether Watson can learn the back shoulder catch. I’ve been wondering this for quite a while and really I haven’t seen them try it so how do we know Watson can’t catch it very well. Maybe, it’s being kept in the closet just waiting to be brought out for some big moment.

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Houndog's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:13 am

I think its a combination of 'all of the above', Murf.
Jordy wasn't anywhere near as fast as Watson to where he could just run under the ball, and every year Watson has missed time. The back shoulder stuff takes time to perfect between teammates.
You may have hit on it that they're saving it for bigger days and using what they have now, for now, Watson's speed!
Damn, he's looking good, and getting Reed back could change things for everyone, you can't dbl-cover all of them!

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:35 am

The Rodgers Nelson trademark comeback throw wasn’t over the shoulder. Nelson would be facing the backfield at the catch. It’s all about timing between the QB and WR and, by implication, the running of a consistent route at equivalent speed. I see no reason why that can’t develop, but they really haven’t had that time out there together healthy.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:33 pm

Yeah Jordy was the master at that.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:59 pm

True, but #0 can track the ball over his head.

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mjbrogno's picture

December 10, 2025 at 06:49 am

Every game the rest of the way will be a BIG test. The Broncos are a soft 11-2. Believe it or not , I see the Pack being 11-3-1 before our last regular season home game. Like John Madden would say, “You don’t win Championships in September, you win them in December,”Go Pack Go!!!

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Razer's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:26 am

I can't say that I have watched much Broncos ball but I am not sure I would characterize their record as soft wins. Payton has them coached well and that defense is get after the QB tough. If our offense starts fast and keeps our defense from getting gassed at altitude we should be able to win this.

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Starrbrite's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:18 am

The Donkeys beat the Jets on a neutral field by a hair. The Giants missed two Xpts.
The commanders (Mariota) outplayed them but lost on a last play attempt to win the game; could have tied for OT.
The Raiders nearly beat them at Denver. The chiefs lost in the final drive. Their win vs Eagles was an officiating farce.
I don’t know if you would call it “soft,” but the donkeys are no juggernaut.
Still—we’ve only beaten them once in Denver.

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davekenya's picture

December 10, 2025 at 12:57 pm

Yeah...Denver has - what - 55 QB sacks! And they have 6 defensive impact players. Their D can keep them in most all games. It's their offense that is more hit and miss.

We need to probably keep an extra blocker in more...or multiple TEs that chip on routes.

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Houndog's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:17 am

Yup!
And "Don't worry about the horse being blind, just load the wagon!"

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dobber's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:03 am

"Like John Madden would say, “You don’t win Championships in September, you win them in December,”"

Bill Parcells said, "You are what your record says you are". Soft or not, they've still won 11 games.
They've also won 10 in a row, so they're ripe to get beat.

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CanPackFan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 01:39 pm

I would not take the Broncos lightly as u suggest. They have won their last 10 straight, playing at home and have an awesome pass rush. Add in that we have not won there since 2007 and I do hope we don't see a let down after that big Bears game...

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Ihappydirt's picture

December 10, 2025 at 03:34 pm

GB has only played two games in Denver since that 2007 win, and lost just 19-17 in 2023.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:33 pm

Agreed. And it's about time we started kicking Denver's ass in Denver.

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Razer's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:15 am

A lot of good things happening for the Packers lately. O-line is playing better and our secondary is firming up to name a few. If we could sprinkle a little consistency on the picture there would be no doubt. BUT, either the plan only goes to two quarters or the cracks start showing up as the game progresses. Watching the Bears control the game in the second half was not fun. If not for a poor last play decision the game was heading to overtime. Credit to the boys for some clutch plays when it mattered most.

Excited to see what a healthy offense will look like. Reeds return helps everyone. IF Lafleur could incorporate Golden the downfield pass would be king and this offense would be sick.

Would it be greedy to ask for a Bears smackdown in a couple of weeks. Eliminate the scramble to the right and shore-up the interior D-line would take away the 2 things that hurt us the most.

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murf7777's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:55 am

My feelings about Golden is he’s still learning the game and he’s no better and has less experience than Watson, Reed, Doubs or Wicks so why force him into playing? Scheme him for some key plays that he does well each game, but the more you play him, the more you take away plays from players with more experience.

I don’t really care how his numbers end up this year, because it’s meaningless of how his whole career will end up. We all know, every player matures into the NFL at their own pace.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:09 am

The speed and size of the NFL is notorious for making College Stars humble as rookies. I recall Adams rookie year, arriving as a phenom from Fresno State have caught over 100 passes each year, as nothing exceptional. He caught 38 passes his rookie year. Golden has 24 so far.

Adams finally broke out in his 3rd season and never looked back. Golden will be fine. Such is the way of the NFL.

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Houndog's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:31 am

Exactly, Lanbeau!
And, in his second year, Adams couldn't catch a cold!
Plus, Golden's been injured and is partially jinxed, most of the Packers recent great receivers have come from the 2nd round. Nelson, Jennings, Adams, with the jury still out on Watson and Reed, all 2nd rounders!

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TXCHEESE's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:20 am

Sprinkling in Golden is probably what will be the plan in the near future. The young man has great hands and speed that can't be coached. Get him and Watson both on the field and let them pull the safeties out of the middle of the field, or if they don't, take a shot with whomever if single covered.

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Razer's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:51 am

This overload of speed with Watson, Reed and Golden is exactly what I was referring to. As Al points out, running Doubs deep down the sideline is one of my least favorite plays. Get your speed guys to open up the field.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:57 pm

Love Doubs but him running that sideline play is a wasted play. That's not his strength on this team with much faster options with arguably better hands

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 11, 2025 at 12:07 am

#0 9 & 11 all on the field at the same time! Let JL10 have time to adjust to their speed, and let opposing defenses figure out how they're supposed to cover all THAT. It will also open up our run game.

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PhantomII's picture

December 11, 2025 at 05:42 am

He doesn't drop balls....throw it to him if he is open. If he doesn't get open, sit him.

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dobber's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:05 am

"If not for a poor last play decision the game was heading to overtime"

I don't know that it was a poor decision. It was just a poor throw and a good recovery by the DB.

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dblbogey's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:42 pm

Caleb could have run for a first down, or thrown a good pass for a likely touchdown. Rookie mistake, or hopefully he'll continue to make a big mistake at crucial times through his career. Caleb has talent and made some amazing throws and the way he avoids sacks is crazy.

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Ray L 1122's picture

December 10, 2025 at 03:14 pm

No way he is running for 1st down, that was covered by 3 defenders and the underneat pass was covered by Williams on Swift. He had to take a shot, it was 4th down. pass was short, but it would have been difficult to drop it ove Nixon and keep it in bounds.
Give credit to Packers D, they covered the play.

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Ray L 1122's picture

December 10, 2025 at 03:09 pm

Game wasn't headed to Overtime. Bears were going for 2. Make no mistake about it.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 05:51 pm

Johnson essentially conceded that afterwards when questioned.,

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 11, 2025 at 12:04 am

If da Bares got that last play they were going for 2; win or lose, they weren't going to tie.

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NickPerry's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:36 am

"Of course Gary is the better player than Enagbare, steadier and more consistent overall, but Enagbare finds a way to make impact plays every game."

Really Al? Boy I don't know. Gary really does nothing for me. It drives me crazy watching him crash into the RT and going NOWHERE each time. Kingsley may not have the "Stats" Gray does, but he seems to make a play every game. Something that seems impossible for Gary.

Personally I don't see how they keep Gary next year. IT IS TIME...To move on!

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murf7777's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:42 am

I know many are down on Gary. I’m not one of them. Yes, his contract might be too high, but watch the Bears game he was the one running down Caleb three different times, making him hurry his throws. He’s also very unheralded on what he does for the run defense. Stats don’t always show what value a player brings to the team. Let’s also keep in mind he just came off a pro-bowl year for his run defense prowess.

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TXCHEESE's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:21 am

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Houndog's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:20 am

Really Murf? Pro-bowl voting is a joke!
I read somewhere yesterday that Sean Rhyan is presently the #4 Center in the Pro-Bowl voting, after what, 4 or 5 weeks at center? C'mon?
But hey, I'm old and my memory isn't the greatest, but didn't Gary make it last year for what he'd done the year before?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 11, 2025 at 01:55 am

^^This^^

That said, Gary is a goner in 2026. That is a shame, but reality makes it highly likely.

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GregC's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:39 am

Check out the article on Packerswire yesterday comparing Gary with Enagbare. Gary's pass rushing stats are way better. Run defense is more even.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:57 am

It is a good analysis.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 11, 2025 at 02:15 am

Using PFF numbers:
11.76% Stop rate and a 12.14 pressure rate for Gary. Grade 67.1
9.44% and 11.36% pressure/run stop rates for Enagbare. Grade 63.3
15.1% and 12.96% pressure/run stop rates for LVN for 2025. Grade 73.4 .

10.89% stop % and 17.92% pressure for Parsons, Grade of 91.6.

The obvious other factor is that Parsons does that despite being double teamed, and sometimes triple teamed. He also sometimes causes disruptions that do not amount to pressures but which help his teammates be more effective. I think LVN is the prime example of a player who got enormous benefits from the efforts of other players. Yeah, I think LVN has improved but I don't think he is anything to write home about. I think he is big and very fast and can chase down QBs who have been flushed by parsons/Gary/Wyatt/Brooks.

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DoubleJ's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:36 am

I recommend reading this in the Gary vs Enagbare discussion.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/12/09/gre...

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davekenya's picture

December 10, 2025 at 01:12 pm

While Gary is a better player than Enagbare, would his 2026 $26M salary be proportionally better than Enagbare to justify that cap number? As Al Davis of the Raiders used to say 'Just cost-analysis, baby!'

Gary does not seem to have gotten the 'Parsons Productivity Push' that was expected (fewer double-teams, teams running at him vs. at Parsons = more tackle opportunities, etc.) Why is this the case?

It really will come down to:
If GB were to resign Enagbare at some number, would he and players in house or drafted ... at their lower cap number ... be worth letting Gary go and using Gary's cap savings elsewhere (OL, DL, CB or redoing someone else's salary -- i.e. extending Watson at some point in the 2026 season before he becomes a UFA). That seems to be the question - not whether Gary is actually the better player -- he is -- it's just 'is he THAT much better to justify the big salary?'

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 05:33 pm

Enagbare is a great piece, but he’s not a sack threat. If you get rid of Gary we’d have to find about half a sack a game. Had LVN come on or Cox continued, then moving on from Gary’s contract would be a genuine possibility.

As it stands, there’s no real basis for confidence that any other player will step up and we have no first round pick either. The savings on Gary probably don’t get us a better FA rusher and may lose on run play.

Perhaps LVN returns and erupts through into February or Cox is activated in the next week and repeats last year’s success. Otherwise I don’t see the team parting ways with Gary. They could extend him and shift his cap hit forward to some extent probably.

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CanPackFan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 01:45 pm

I'm cautiously of the same opinion of Gary. He's got the big contract now and "seems" to be coasting relative to Parsons. I understand that that is a tough comparison to make but if he can't pick things up, there is poor value for that big contract. Maybe he'd be worth more in trade value next year?

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stockholder's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:07 pm

MLF talks up Enagbare.
Sorrell is my choice.
But the obvious is his sack total
and playing time.
He'll go to the Lions next.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 10, 2025 at 06:17 pm

He's $17M in dead money. Far better, IMO, to keep him through 2026. He's actually one of the more productive pass rushers in the league, and he plays the run well, too.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:08 pm

Gary to me is a paradox. Sometimes he looks like an unblockable monster when pass rushing, and other times he looks like the red monster in sneakers from Looney Tunes when he's closing in late on a play. Go figure.

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murf7777's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:39 am

“ it's rather obvious that Christian Watson was THE key part of the equation that was missing and has made up for the loss of Tucker Kraft. Now you also get Jayden Reed back and this presents some real gut wrenching decisions opposing defenses will have to make on the fly.“

Those two make a huge difference in this offense. I’ll make one prediction about our offense. By the end of this season many of us will be singing praise onto Musgrave. Each of the last two games he has made diving catches (yes, the one called incomplete was a catch in the bears game) about 20 yards downfield. He has great hands. His speed downfield, in the seam is real and is a mismatch that D Coordinators have to plan for. It will open a lot of routes for others on this offense.

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Packers0808's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:39 am

Still wish kick wheels on Wilkins, not one more in DL with more experience, D on field way to long 2nd half of Bear game!

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Houndog's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:40 am

Maybe so, 0808.
But when you're too much of a head-case for 'Da Raidaaahs', how do you fit in with the Packers?

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Packers0808's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:19 am

Short rental now 4 games and if make play offs, then cut ties.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:38 am

He’s not visiting any teams because he’s only got one serviceable foot. He’s not an option.

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Packers0808's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:42 am

Why I said kick the wheels see if he would be serviceable. As of beginning this month he has been cleared to play by doctors.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:55 am

Before even considering bringing him to Green Bay, have a video call and have him kick all the tires of his luxury SUV with his bad foot.

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Packers0808's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:42 am

As was noted his foot is now good and he has passed his physical and waiting to be called/signed. Look it up if you don't believe the prognosis.

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Packers0808's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:36 pm

Makes sense now why not Wilkerson, Van Ness back at practice today sounds full time!

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Packers0808's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:56 am

Thumbs down on a question and truth. Someone is childish.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 10, 2025 at 04:50 pm

So risk screwing up our season by bringing in a guy that we want to cut ties with?

As Coach Norman Dale said, "this is our team". We're not going to add anybody anymore that's going to make a difference.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 05:45 pm

He’s not been cleared anyway. In fact that’s a material consideration in his current NFLPA led arbitration over the 35 odd million in unilaterally voided guarantees. If he could pass a team medical (any team) now, that would pretty much trash the Raiders justifications.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:08 pm

I still wish they'd bring him in to take him for a spin around the block, look under the hood, and make him an offer if he can at least hop. Maybe the Packers could install a prosthetic foot on him for the final four games? Worth a try.

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Packers0808's picture

December 11, 2025 at 12:41 am

Maybe have a mechanic look under your hood and see if your brain was ever where it was supposed to be before in got up there with no daylight!

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Packers0808's picture

December 11, 2025 at 12:39 am

You are totally wrong he has been cleared to play and has passed his physical. Easy enough to find.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 11, 2025 at 02:36 am

No it is not. I don't think he has been cleared. I could not find such an article or report anywhere.

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Packers0808's picture

December 11, 2025 at 09:55 am

I have found it simply by googling it and as of this December he has been cleared to sign for any one.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:48 am

I absolutely hate that Kraft got hurt and is done for the year. While it still hurts the team not having him out there that injury has now given the opportunity for Musgrave to show what he is capable of. And I feel like they are starting to figure out ways to use him. I feel like every week they are getting more involved in the down field passing game more. I want to see that continue because he is a weapon that really hasn't been untapped yet.

This offense feels like its about to explode to me. They have Watson playing at an extremely high level. They just got Reed back and he looked great in his return. Wicks had one of his best games as a packer a week earlier. They are figuring out how to use Musgrave. Also Whyle is contributing well. Golden to me feels like a guy that is going to explode out of nowhere very soon. Jacobs has really emerged. Wilson has been good. They potentially could be getting a piece to the offense that no one knows what could happen in Lloyd. If he can get on the field he could add a whole new dimension that no defense will be prepared for.

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Starrbrite's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:09 pm

RC—you got me super jazzed!

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:36 pm

Trust me. I'm super jazzed!

Lloyd potentially coming back is the one move that no one will know what to expect and no one will have a good plan for. He is electric and would give us that Gibbs like ability from the RB position. You add that to our already potent offense, and its going to be really tough to stop.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 11, 2025 at 12:25 am

I'd love to see Lloyd as our returner. Assuming he'd practice at it, this is the best way to demonstrate that he's made fumbling a thing of the past. It'd also unleash his ability in the open field, which is his touted strength. We could sure use good starting position, sometime ...

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barutanseijin's picture

December 11, 2025 at 06:00 am

A guy with fumblitis as a returner? No thanks.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:14 pm

Yes we can dream. Would love to see all of them healthy and we'll see.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 11, 2025 at 12:23 am

MLF knew how to use Musgrave in his rookie year, should be no problem knowing how to do so now.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:57 am

On Valentine and Nixon: "They have the aggressive attitude that's needed for the position."

Spot on Al. That's how I see the duo...and the Safeties too. X, Williams and Bullard are probably the best Safety group in the NFL. But the two CBs line up after every play with the attitude of "bring it on!"

Valentine fell in the draft, because while being seen as a very good playing man coverage at Kentucky, he tended to joust too much with the receiver during the play and get flagged on PI. That aggressiveness has continued in the pros. His tackling still needs work. But his mindset and coverage ability are looking good.

Nixon is a scrapper. Amazing to realize a few years ago he was viewed as a ST player only. Then forced into some spot duty at slot. Did that job ok. Then pressed into boundary CB with Alexander the Occasional mostly watching games from the bench. Did that job fine too. Now he's sharpening his skill set and is continuously improving...2nd in the NFL in PBUs. And as always, when he makes a mistake, it doesn't bleed into the next play. He's ready for the next snap.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:13 am

So our last 3 games. To me the tough one was the Lions. We were fortunate that they lost their talisman receiver and don’t have LaPorta. For the second time this season they omitted to pound us in the run game. Gibbs doesn’t match us well. Montgomery does. Thank you Campbell. That was a good win nevertheless.

The Vikings are, despite their win last week, just impotent. That was a win that looked easier than expected at the start if the season, but the Vikings are in disarray against teams not as dysfunctional as them. A win we barely had to try for and barely did.

Then we get to the Bears. The be more I watch that game the worse I think the Bears are. Caleb Williams has more fundamental tells than any QB I recall at this level. Their run game is not bad, but Swift was a non factor. It only existed between the tackles and really only took off due to tactical errors in terms of personnel choices pre game and in managing our offensive calling.

If they aren’t running then more often then more often than not, Williams is, to his right. We took away yards with his feet, but even though 90% of his passing yards were coming from one throw: straight ahead within 10 yards of the right sideline, we did nothing to adjust to that. In pocket, maybe 2 in 10 of his throws are a problem. Hafley seems astute. I think we have the opportunity to shut Williams party trick down next time. As for the run, hopefully we have more DL options active and go less light.

So a nice win against the Lions and wins against a bad team at odds with itself and perhaps at its nadir in Minnesota and a Chicago team with a terrible D and an offense that’s incredibly self-constricted. I’m not all that blown away by the 3 and 0 outcome. The Bears are, in my view, more not less of a fraud than thought and possibly heading down a blind alley.

I firmly believe that we ought to be able to completely frustrate that offense and tear up that D next week, if our coaching is worth its salt. Before then, we face a team with a real D and more comebacks than the pretenders to the south. I think we can contain Harvey on the ground, but it’s going to be a real test of our short pass coverage and they will sporadically go deep. Nix ordinarily gets the ball out really fast. This might be a game for Hopper not McDuffie and Hobbs not Bullard. They advance primarily by the short pass. They have put up more points than we have, so dont underestimate their ability to hang in there.

To beat Denver we will have to overcome the best collective rush in the league thus far and a backfield with a true lock down corner. They also give up the least yards per carry on the ground. So what’s our plan to string together effective drives? I’m sure we will try to establish the run. On paper that doesn’t look like a reliable gambit. LaFleur is going to have to be a lot more imaginative than in any recent game and a lot more flexible to find and adjust to an effective strategy.

So to me, the real tests aren’t the last three games but the one on Sunday against a team I think are the best we have faced in all phases, well coached, and without glaring weaknesses. Then we face Chicago again, but this time we’ve seen them and the fact that they are tied to traits that limit their options dramatically and we should be able to thwart and deliver a kill shot.

Do we have that in us? In different ways the next two games will show us whether LaFleur can show a killer instinct to down Denver and prevent them clawing past us late. Chicago will tell if we can learn from an opponents weakness and burst the bubble of a division rival. That type of second game adjustment I’d not something LaFleur has been adept at in the past. As you note, that foot-on-the-neck mentality seemed absent last week despite the opponent. One starts to wonder if it will ever manifest.

What has become clear to me is that this roster is better than many claimed now we have done returns from injuries and seem to have, at the 11th hour found (perforce) our best OL, which is hopefully going to improve with snaps and familiarity. We have what we need to take off and fly. Do we have the piloting skills necessary to reach the desired destination? We are about to find out.

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GregC's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:48 am

It only took you 10 paragraphs to dismiss three wins in a row against division rivals. And if they do beat the Broncos and Bears, you will say they would have won more convincingly if they didn't have such a bad coach. You made up your mind about LaFleur a long time ago.

One thing we can all agree on is that the playoffs are what really matter. I'm hoping they can win three out of these last four and take the division, so they can host a playoff game in the first round, and maybe in the second round too, if they win the first one.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:41 am

I dismiss the Vikings, but in admitting his game plan, LaFleur did that more cuttingly than I. I did not dismiss the Lions but I did feel that, thankfully, they twice missed a key trick against us. I do state that the Bears are massively over estimated due to some very entrenched limitations and that we have both the roster and now the experience of those major traits to deflate that bubble.

I do state that the Broncos will be a true test of LaFleur offensively, beyond any so far. I do explain why, in my view, he and Hafley have a chance to really hand it to the Bears. I then ask if they will. If that ruffles your feathers, sorry, but I prefer outcomes to hype and comfort. Let’s see how LaFleur does. Can he outthink the Broncos offense and can he unravel the Bears? Then will he drive that home?

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murf7777's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:45 am

Greg, the playoffs are important, but if you don’t make it, they don’t really matter! Too many people miss out on appreciating the excitement and meaning of the journey to get there. I think our fan base has gotten a bit spoiled since we make it 80–90% of the time. We are the envy of most other fan bases.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:15 am

The Packers have the "piloting skill". So do the Rams, Eagles, etc.

A bigger concern for me is will we stay healthy over the next 8 weeks? Will we get any favorable officiating, or will it be more of what we saw last week? Will there be any bad bounces of the ball?

Of course, you're just setting up your narrative so that if the Packers fall short, you can condemn LaFleur.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:23 am

"We were fortunate that they lost their talisman receiver and don’t have LaPorta."

Yeah...and the lions were fortunate the Packers did not have one of their talisman receivers (Reed) and Kraft.

The next game? I don't know. Broncos and Packers are statistically near mirror images in terms of Team Stats on O and D. I do see the OL improving now that all the neighbors are acquainted. Love is playing better than Nix and has better skill guys and play options. Broncos Defense is legit.

The Bronco faithful are deploring them to use the same O game plan they used Sunday vs the Raiders. Use their excellent OL to ground pound to open up the pass. At least the Packers will be familiar with the "bare like" attack.

Rizzi vs Bisaccia will be interesting. STs could affect the game.

Broncos have 11 wins, 2 were against teams with winning records (currently). Packers 9 wins and 4 "dubs" against teams with winning records.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:45 am

Their running game doesn’t scare me particularly. Harvey is very like our perennially injured RB Lloyd in size and style. Better outside the tackles rather than pounding it up the middle consistently. It’s that that would concern me more as outside the tackles had been a strength. Perhaps we start to go heavier on the DL a bit more this week to further deter.

To beat them, you have to take their D on somewhere. As I see it, good though Surtain is, the route to success is through Love. Run on them to soften their rush and wear them down certainly, but we have to be able to put up consistent yards through the air to get ahead and give our run game time to tire their rush and their run D both.

They aren’t typically quick scorers. Get ahead and Nix will have to pass more on longer developing routes, opening him up to our rush. He’s not done well when that happens to date.

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murf7777's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:55 am

IMO, there is one main reason we are favorites at Denver. LOVE! He is much better than Nix.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 12:11 pm

"So our last 3 games. To me the tough one was the Lions. We were fortunate that they lost their talisman receiver and don’t have LaPorta. For the second time this season they omitted to pound us in the run game. Gibbs doesn’t match us well. Montgomery does."

Them losing St Brown definitely helped. And they didn't have LaPorta which helps, but we just had our top 2 WR's play together for the first time this year, and we don't have Kraft. The Lions ran 28 times for 100 yards. Gibbs had 20 attempts, Montgomery 8. Gibbs is by far the most explosive RB, and was coming off a monster game. Montgomery had 8 carries for 32 yards with a long of 14. Take away that one play and he has 7 carries for 18 yards (2.5 average). Montgomery wasn't doing well either.

"The Vikings are, despite their win last week, just impotent. That was a win that looked easier than expected at the start if the season, but the Vikings are in disarray against teams not as dysfunctional as them. A win we barely had to try for and barely did."

Vikings are not good. They had a good win, but against a team that is awful right now. Packers could have put up 40 on them easily, but they were smart knowing they had the Lions in 4 days and made the game shorter. It worked well.

"Then we get to the Bears. The be more I watch that game the worse I think the Bears are. Caleb Williams has more fundamental tells than any QB I recall at this level. Their run game is not bad, but Swift was a non factor. It only existed between the tackles and really only took off due to tactical errors in terms of personnel choices pre game and in managing our offensive calling."

The Bears have improved from last year. But how good is Williams? And how good can he be in the future? He is really good at escaping pressure. He is tough to bring down. But he is also very inaccurate. This Bears game would have been a wider spread had the game been officiated the right way.

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Starrbrite's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:10 pm

Great post CW—a little long for me, but I read it all.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 05:49 pm

A little long for me! I appreciate the effort :-)

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Packer_Fan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:32 am

My polluted thoughts:
First, appreciation for Josh Jacobs and Micah Parsons. Jacobs is money in the red zone. And Parsons is playing lights out. They are worth every penny and more!

And situational football. Score 21-14 and late 3rd quarter. A TD would have forced Chicago into one dimensional, pass and pretty much put the game out of reach. But a three and out occurred. For Love and Lafleur, they have to learn from this. The 2nd down long pass with receiver coming open underneath was on Love. He needed to get a first down and take time off the clock. Defense was gassed.

And third down is on Lafleur. The package included Brooks, Wiley, Melton and Golden. When is Lafleur going to learn to have Watson, #11, Doubs, Jacobs and #88 to have best chance to get a first down. Lafleur put the scrubs in and missed the first down. As these games become more important, Lafleur better get his best players in when you have a chance to put the game out if reach.

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vin0770's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:37 am

So I don’t know how many total ST plays there were, but they had penalties on three of them. Is it that hard to not have ST penalties? Are their # of ST penalties the same across the league but I don’t pay attention to others like the Pack? Still hold my breath every ST chance and feel like they’re on the brink of costing them a game 😩

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GregC's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:31 am

Yes, I watch other games, and there are constant penalties on special teams plays. I think a lot of it is because changes in direction make blocking difficult, and the infractions occur in the open field, where they are easy to spot.

In terms of overall penalties, the Packers are tied for the 12th fewest. As usual, there is little or no correlation between penalties and win-loss record. The Rams have committed the fewest, and they are one of the best teams, but aside from that, it looks pretty random. The Broncos are 11-2 in spite of committing the second most penalties in the league. The 9-4 Jaguars have committed the most.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:20 am

This is the nature of special teams. The bottom of your roster, composed almost entirely of guys who were lighting farts for fun just a little while ago, is put into a position where they can make mistakes that have a huge impact on the game.

There are things you can do to minimize the ability of your special teams to cost you a game, and I'd do them. It's not about having a fire-breathing coach and special teams demons who play like their hair is on fire. IT's about acknowledging the nature of what special teams are.

100 years of football.....don't you think that someone would have figured out how to have excellent, error-free special teams......if it were possible? It's not, and that's why they haven't.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:43 am

Lovie had lovely STs when he was the bare coach. That was incredible with Hestor but the entire ST unit was disciplined and expected to flip the field.

Packers face a good ST coach in Rizzi on Sunday.

I look forward to the 2025 self scout by the NFL on the number of penalties vs other seasons.

It seems to me the laundry flies early and often in most NFL games this season and on STs especially. And many very borderline or just wrong judgement calls that can actually affect playoff seedings.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:59 am

One guy. Why doesn't everybody just copy what he did? He won 3 playoff games in 8 years.....where was his magic then?

Look, having a guy like Hester helps. And a nice return is exciting. But I don't think people factor in the opposing returns, the penalties, the injuries, etc. And if you are truly an exceptional special teams coach, you'll be promoted and you'll have to be replaced. So then you're back to square one.

I personally, would punt towards the sideline so that there would be no return, no penalty, no injury. I would fair catch every punt, and there would be no return, no injury, no penalty, no turnover.

ON FGs, I wouldn't kick any over 40 yards unless there wasn't any other choice. I'd go for it on 4th down more often instead of punting or kicking a FG. I'd go for the 2 point conversions. I'd systematically reduce the opportunities for the special teams to cost us the game and rely on my offense and defense.

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dobber's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:24 am

"I think a lot of it is because changes in direction make blocking difficult, and the infractions occur in the open field, where they are easy to spot."

I think you're right and that this has a lot to do with it. Fundamentally, punt and KO plays look nothing like a regular scrimmage play. I think that LH pointing out who tends to populate STs units is another piece, but I don't think adding starters to STs units does much except expose them to further injury.

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 07:35 pm

I suppose, after a while, starters playing become a more experienced core on STs as they tend to play multiple years. That really the only benefit I can see per se.

Arguably starters are often the best athletes, though the advent of STs specialists means that’s not always so. Overall, I think the starters debate on STs was probably the wrong question. The question should be are we, overall, giving STs the attributes they need regardless of where they are in the pecking order? More often than not, the screw ups appear to be discipline, or perhaps practice repetition. I will say that I’d happily have a specialist punt returner over using Doubs or Reed. I think we could squeeze one on this roster.

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davekenya's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:01 pm

They are 11th in the league (with 10 other teams having fewer than GB's 15 penalties). I would've thought they were down near the bottom, but not so.

They DO low in performance metrics like net punting and overall grade.

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NFLfan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:05 am

Parsons is working in tandem with Enagbare and elevating his play. Parsons set up one of Enagbare's sacks

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Coldworld's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:55 am

Parsons inadvertently gave Enagbare a completely open lane for a late rush on his sack. A nice gift. Parsons will do that because he forces defenders to move out of lanes, unlike any other DE we have.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 11, 2025 at 12:45 am

I don't think that was inadvertent, I think that was part of a rush PLAN. Hopefully they can keep doing that!

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:58 am

Hafley knows he has to employ the Stunt Games for full effect since Wyatt went down. Getting Cox back in the flow will be big for the pass rush.

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Boneman's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:20 am

The Denver game is not crucial to the Packers division hopes and is being played at altitude. Expect heavy substitutions on defense and amongst the skill positions on offense. Also expect LeFleur to clench up a bit and revert to a more conservative game plan. The Packers eye's will be set upon the rematch with the Bears in Chi town. That said, they can still win this game if they play cleanly. No TO's and fewer penalties should keep it close and I like J Love over Bo in a tight game. 19-14 Pack takes it.

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MitchAnthony's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:23 am

I'll admit, I barely watched anything from Denver this season. The only time I watched them was a few weeks ago when Washington played them. The hapless Washington team put up a lot of points on Denver and really gave them a run. Every time I looked it seemed like Washington was running big chunk yards on the Broncos.

How?

Was this some oddity or did Washington figure something out that they were able to exploit for that game? I do think Denver has a well coached team, as much as I don't personally care for Payton there is a good supporting cast with him. Everyone speaks of what a good defense Denver has but in the one game I watched Washington was giving that defense all it could handle.

Go figure.

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Starrbrite's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:28 am

I live in broncos country and see nearly all their games. They’ve escaped with several wins against some not so great teams, but they find a way to win.
If we score 25 pts—we win.

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 10, 2025 at 02:22 pm

That Washington game came down to a 2 point conversion. Washington didn't get it. That was the same Washington team that lost this week 31-0 against the Vikings.

Its a week to week league, but that definitely was not a good game for Denver.

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Starrbrite's picture

December 10, 2025 at 08:06 pm

Right RC.

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jlc1's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:03 am

Draw play? What's a draw play?

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jlc1's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:19 am

Draw play? What's a draw play?

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TheBigCat's picture

December 10, 2025 at 10:44 am

I've bought my ticket, but remain hesitant to board the "MLF Love Train." I have no doubt there is more going on w/ the offense than I can process; however, like Brady, I'm a big fan of high-percentage throws that move the chains, and allow your defense to rest.

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Lphill's picture

December 10, 2025 at 12:21 pm

the only question about Gary next year is will he choose the Bears or Vikings.

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Vachio's picture

December 10, 2025 at 03:15 pm

"As for the Love interception, one has to wonder what he saw, but with this caveat; LaFleur did say in his presser "There was some detail in the play that wasn't correct." After watching the play multiple times, it's really hard to figure out what that might be. Golden's route was fine, and a good pass would have been a first down conversion, but I think the ball was just severely underthrown. Perhaps Chris Brooks was supposed to continue his route and force CJ Gardner-Johnson to stay shallow, but even if CHGJ wasn't there at all, it doesn't look like the ball would have reached Golden. So, I'm stumped."

Golden ran a nice-looking route, but maybe he ran it to the wrong depth/spacing. Without knowing the exact play call and the way it was specifically drawn up, there's no way to be certain, but signs point to that. MLF alluded to something being incorrect in the running of the play when asked about it. It sure looked like Love was expecting someone to be where he was throwing the ball. And I believe that's why Golden hasn't been more involved in the offense, even when healthy. If they can't count on him to run the play exactly the way they want it to be run, he's going to get fewer opportunities.

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davekenya's picture

December 10, 2025 at 11:05 pm

If #12 was still the QB, there'd be no doubt if Golden ran the wrong route...poker ain't AR's game.

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Major Snafu's picture

December 10, 2025 at 03:34 pm

Al happy holidays and thanks for the great commentary. I really like the way everyone has seemed to up their game ever since Parsons arrived. There is a lot of enthusiasm and toughness to this team all of a sudden. Not much to criticize other then nit picking small stuff.
The good news is Denver for some reason has dropped off a lot the last couple of games, Their D is solid and but even then have screwed it up the past few games, not sure if they have some big time injuries and guys missing or not. Go pack go

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Ritzy's picture

December 10, 2025 at 05:32 pm

As far as the Packers offense, I can't wait to see how the receiving corps does when everyone is fully healthy, which hasn't happened yet this season. I expect big games on Sunday from Watson, Musgrave and Doubs.

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iamiz's picture

December 10, 2025 at 09:59 pm

Gotta vary the snap relative to the playclock - can't let these dudes time the snap

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