Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - One Giant Step and Some Small Ones

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

It wasn't pretty, but I'm encouraged for several reasons. Sure there were negatives - the drops, injuries and the ever-present penalties, but there were things I wanted to see and some important positives. First of all, the Packers NEEDED a win to feel good about themselves again. Jordan Love needed a performance like this as a confidence re-builder. Christian Watson needed this to prove to himself he was truly back to his old self after coming back so soon from the ACL injury. Finally and most importantly, Matt LaFleur NEEDED a game like this to pull himself (and the Packers' offense) out of the rut they were in. That was the Giant step.

I've lamented ad nauseam in this space about the poor overall offensive game plan we were presented over the last few games. It was basically the same every week and lacked imagination and creativity. There was a small step last week, as we saw the elimination of the wide receiver screens and throws behind the line of scrimmage, but that was about it. This week was different. LaFleur found some missing pages of his playbook and incorporated some of those concepts into his game plan. 

I counted nine passes on first down.Yes, FIRST DOWN!  The second and long shotgun handoff was gratefully missing in action. Jordan Love was actually moved out of the pocket by design a couple of times. We the I-formation was pulled from the scrap heap and Love was under center much more this game (I LOVE THIS!). There was a real effort made to get the ball into the hands of their most dynamic receiver - Christian Watson. And they actually used Chris Brooks for what he does best - pass protect.

When Luke Musgrave was playing terribly, they didn't stick with him.too long; he hardly played the second half. Aaron Banks showed some signs of life and had his best game. Sean Rhyan held up ok against the Meadowlands Monster, Dexter Lawrence. There wasn't a big drop-off from Josh Jacobs to Emmanuel Wilson. Jordan Love led another fourth quarter touchdown drive to put the Packers ahead. And Jordan Love actually kept the ball on a run option (run options are useless if the defense never sees the quarterback keep it). 

These are all positive steps for what had been a floundering offense. The big question is, can LaFleur and the Packers keep the momentum going in this direction without falling back into boring and predictable habits? Even better, can they expand on what they did this game and take another step forward against the Vikings? If the answer is yes, I'll be feeling a lot better about this team's chances.

Here's a suggestion, and I've said it before. Love seems to best run the offense when it's pass to set up the run and in uptempo mode. For the love of Lombardi, why not come out and start the game in tempo one time? That's what the Giants did and they marched down the field to score a touchdown before the Packers had a chance to adjust. Do that to the Vikings next week - please!

Jordan Love had a wonderful game and if not for all the WR drops, might have had his best game statistically. One big thing that looked different to me was his willingness to stand in the pocket and get off a pass at the last millisecond, knowing he was about to take a hit. That has been a bit lacking this season, as we've seen him get rattled by a big pass rush (see Cleveland and Philly games, specifically). On Sunday, he took some big hits from Dexter Lawrence and company and didn't flinch. 

The Packers had the  second-highest play action rate of the season against the Giants and I believe Love does his best work from behind center as it helps him get into a smooth rhythm. Continue that please!

Finally a criticism and a major pet peeve of mine you've likely heard many times before. That is, showing more awareness of the game situation and making decisions accordingly. Specifically, I'm referring to the third and two play toward the end of the third quarter when they took a deep shot. Whether the pass was completed or not (it wasn't) is immaterial. What made this the absolute wrong time to do it was that the Giants had just kept the Packers defense on the field for nine and a half minutes. In that situation, just get the third down and try to hold the ball yourselves a bit to give your defense a break. Instead, they had to get right back on the field, whereupon the Giants' offense held the ball for another eight minutes, marching down the field and scoring a touchdown against an exhausted Packers defense. There are good times to take a deep shot and there are bad times, based on the situation. I wish they would be more cognizant of that.

A reminder, don't sell your tickets to Vikings fans!

#GoPackGo

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of various hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He's a lifetime Packers fan living in the land of the Giants (and Jets). Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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T7Steve's picture

November 19, 2025 at 06:40 am

"A reminder, don't sell your tickets to Vikings fans!"

There should be a 'HOMER" web site set up for ticket holders who want to sell their tickets. I'm sure there are lots of Packer fans that will snag them up. Maybe the visitors will pay more, but if you bought season tickets to make a profit there might be other business ventures to look into. Be a Packer fan first and foremost.

I like the quick pace offense too, but it has to get some 1st downs, or it works against the D. I think I've heard MLF use this explanation/excuse before. I'm sure that more teams will use this against the Packers to start out with as that's the first TD they've allowed in the 1st quarter this season.

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Razer's picture

November 19, 2025 at 07:07 am

A fast start Packers team changes everything in a game. We've seen it in Detroit and Dallas and it is a thing of beauty. Between the team being asleep early and poor execution we can't seem to put a full game together. Frustrating team to watch. The next 3 games will tell us what we have.

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dobber's picture

November 19, 2025 at 10:08 am

This is a defense where the pass rush will be more dominant if it's playing from ahead. An early two-score lead will make all the difference.

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murf7777's picture

November 19, 2025 at 11:27 am

You're right Dobber, but I would say all team defenses would benefit and have a better pass rush with an early two-score lead. We do have the dangerous Parsons and Gary at times to create havoc in those situations. Look forward to LVN getting back.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 19, 2025 at 07:57 am

I have stated before that Season Ticket holders should be allowed to resell to the general public or to a subset comprised of people on the Season Ticket wait list...of over 100,000.

Give them the Lambeau experience over some Ugly Purple nomad and encourage Packer Fans to remain on the list. Also helps ensure the Shrine remains packed with Packers.

I even wrote the Packers several years ago and received the usual, short "thank you for your suggestions. We value your input."

LaFleur implored Season Ticket holders not to sell to Ugly Purple...but he should know, that's impossible to do! The Packers policy is ALL resales have to go through their Ticket Exchange managed by Ticketmaster....and to the General Public.

I know I'd sell my tickets to a Season Ticket wait listers if family or friends cannot attend.

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Starrbrite's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:30 am

Good call Lambeau—as you say, there are certainly Packer fans who would purchase those tickets if given the first opportunity.

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Razer's picture

November 19, 2025 at 06:54 am

Well done Al. Way to keep your eyes downfield. My biggest takeaway from this game was the clutch performance of Jordan Love. For once I would like to see a game where our WRs are wide open with SOME separation. Love is almost always forced to thread balls into tight windows. The Watson TD is a prime example. Are our receivers B grade or are they not coached in the finer points of route running? I am hoping that a health Reed and activated Golden change this for Love.

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PeteK's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:24 am

However, we did see wide open Gent receivers too many times. Also, it's time to stop blaming the coaches for not getting Golden more involved and face the fact that injury or not he is not progressing in his route running as of yet.

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TKWorldWide's picture

November 19, 2025 at 07:05 am

On offense, we all like to see plays that gain good yardage. I don’t care if it’s boring and predictable if it’s successful. But I think the association is made that boring and predictable equals unsuccessful. Was the famed Packer sweep boring and predictable?

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T7Steve's picture

November 19, 2025 at 07:17 am

The Packer sweep was a thing of beauty. It works best when the blockers get out front and do cross body blocks sometimes taking out more than one defender. These blocks are against the rules now for some reason. Something to do with knees.

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TKWorldWide's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:03 am

So, successful due to execution rather than creative playcalling?

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:07 am

Execution, good sir. Execution.

Lombardi didn't just practice the sweep often in practice...he indoctrinated it.

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murf7777's picture

November 19, 2025 at 11:35 am

TK, couldn't agree more. Too often many blame coaching or schemes when the main problem is its execution of the players. Take a WR screen and in one example it goes for 20 yards, in another it's a 3 yard loss. The difference might have been a missed block, or the throw wasn't provided in stride. Of course, there are many examples of poor play calling or scheming, but I think it's 80/20 execution/plays. The better offenses execute the play call better.

IMO, the coaches (enhanced by the ESPN and other commentaries) get too much blame and credit for how the offense performs.

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T7Steve's picture

November 19, 2025 at 12:09 pm

It might be, and probably is, the fact that they can't practice enough. Used to be the difference between amateurs and pros. (I've said this before) Amateurs practice till they get it right. Pros practice till they can't get it wrong. The difference between the old era and the new. Lucky if they see it on a chalkboard and do it during walk throughs now.

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mnbadger's picture

November 20, 2025 at 08:09 pm

This is especially critical with young teams like ours.
GPG!

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:04 am

The Sweep was very predictable, but it was far from boring. The play displayed excellent running and blocking in space every fan could watch develop and succeed most of the time.

Similar to the U-71 some 50 years later. Predictable but never boring...sometimes Ahman would break one...even to the house.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:32 pm

We don't have anything that's predictable and successful.

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mnbadger's picture

November 20, 2025 at 08:10 pm

More like predictable and unsuccessful, like the WR screens.
GPG!

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stockholder's picture

November 19, 2025 at 07:49 am

The pass to run up tempo mode takes Confidence.
And it is harder to do with poor center play.
Love behind the center helps.
Because he can avoid botched snaps.
And not tip pass.
But Deceiving the defense, with
Complicated play action became a problem.

The pass break-down more than likely
was the 3rd and 2 bombs.
IMO- it’s on Love and not MLF.
Either Love's confidence is breaking down or
He’s having trouble with the tactics of the defense.

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Coldworld's picture

November 19, 2025 at 11:08 am

Right or wrong as a call, those drops were on throws executed perfectly by Love. I can’t wait to see what he will do if he ever actually gains confidence.

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stockholder's picture

November 19, 2025 at 03:00 pm

Again you missed the point.
The article stated quick Tempo.
The obvious to that was the Bombs.
(Per 3rd and 2)
So your point Bombed.
What you and others fail to understand; was
that it takes a good center.
And a confidence to run it.
Not how many Wrs dropped the ball.

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Guam's picture

November 19, 2025 at 07:51 am

Thank you Al for condemning that godawful long pass on third and short. I don't get the all-22 film, but from the TV coverage it did not look like there was a short route run on the play so I assume that was a LaFleur play call rather than a Love decision. Has our HC never heard of situational football or complementary football? If I were Hafley, after the game I would have had a serious conversation with LaFleur about that call as it compromised a tired defense.

I thought LaFleur called a better game last Sunday, but that third down play was a complete bonehead mistake. Shot plays have their purpose and a few should be called every game to keep the safeties back, but not when a first down is desperately needed to rest your defense. Complementary football!

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dobber's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:12 am

"Has our HC never heard of situational football or complimentary football?"

He has a complimentary football--it says nice things about his hair.

(sorry, after the discussion on compliment/complement a couple weeks ago, I couldn't help myself)

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Guam's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:37 am

Thanks Dobber. My brain never catches up to my fingers on that screw up. One of my many failings in English. You'd hope it was my second language but sadly it isn't........

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dobber's picture

November 19, 2025 at 10:10 am

Thank YOU for having a sense of humor on it! ;)

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T7Steve's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:14 am

Only time that shot play should be used on 3rd down is when you plan to go for it on 4th down if the 3rd down doesn't work. Like you say, "situational football".

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:36 pm

Exactly. When he didn't go for it on fourth down, that was a major screwup.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:17 am

When that play failed I looked at my wife and said "what a terrible play call!".

LaFleur did call a better game. He is letting Love lead more with his arm. OL has to get better, though.

I do not believe complementary football has been displayed much since the first 2 games. The long heave on 3rd and short certainly was not.

And for most of the game, the Defense was not either...they couldn't get off the field! Those interceptions would have given the ball back to the O and let the D rest...and probably made the game a comfortable win.

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TKWorldWide's picture

November 19, 2025 at 06:09 pm

Terrible playcall or terrible decision by Love? It’s hard to believe that EVERY receiver on that play was going deep.
And of course, if he connects on that deep throw, is it still a bad playcall? Or is the decision suddenly a good one?

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PeteK's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:32 am

Yes, when it happened I also shook my head. However, let's look at it from another view pt, it could be the perfect time to go for it all bc the D is not expecting it and a receiver could gain an advantage. Even Lombardi was known on rare occasions to do the same.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:57 am

That's true...I recall all those early down, unexpected heaves by Starr to Dowling or Dale. Ordinarily I would agree, PeteK.

But LaFleur has to know his D is gassed after another double digit drive by the Giants. Get a fresh set of downs there. Call a higher percentage play to get you at least 3 yards. That was a very low percentage play at a critical time.

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Guam's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:41 am

Spot on LP. Yes Lombardi would occasionally call for a deep shot on third and short, but never when his defense was seriously in need of a respite. Get the first down and let your defense recover. Situational football.

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T7Steve's picture

November 19, 2025 at 10:35 am

Sometimes if a deep shot's not there on 3rd and short it's just as good as a punt if it's picked off. That is of course if the guy is tackled and the D doesn't need the rest. QBs don't do it now because it's a bigger metric against them now.

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dblbogey's picture

November 19, 2025 at 02:27 pm

Bart Starr called his own plays, not Lombardi. "Bart Starr called his own plays, a common practice for quarterbacks in his era, especially because there were no helmet radios. He was given a great deal of authority by coach Vince Lombardi, who trusted Starr's extensive preparation and deep understanding of the game plan. "

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LeotisHarris's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:54 pm

Indeed he did, and not only were those unexpected passes on third and short completed to Dowling (as in the Ice Bowl), there were passes to Max McGraff in the Super Bowl when Dowling was injured, and to Carl Dial as noted.

Starr also threw to Travis Wilson for long gains on third and short, as well as screen passes to Denny Anderson.

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Coldworld's picture

November 19, 2025 at 04:51 pm

Surely though, the key element is surprise? If it’s a regular pattern, then the throw on third is the opposite of that, as is the run on first.

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mnbadger's picture

November 20, 2025 at 08:23 pm

Pete, even I was expecting it and I do hours of film review.
When we came to the line, I told my son "watch him throw it deep when we really just need 2 yards to move the chains and rest the defense"
I almost threw my drink at the Bravia!
GPG!

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dobber's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:08 am

"Christian Watson needed this to prove to himself he was truly back to his old self after coming back so soon from the ACL injury."

The Packers desperately need someone out there that opposing DC's respect as a downfield threat to give teams pause in how they scheme the Packers. They really haven't worked to establish Golden that way, so the fact that the Packers really didn't put 9 on a pitch count and that they're interested in getting him the ball downfield will help significantly.

Throwing the ball on early downs helps back off the safeties and keep the LBs from crashing the LOS, too!

"Love seems to best run the offense when it's pass to set up the run and in uptempo mode."

<<AHEM....points to self>>

"When Luke Musgrave was playing terribly, they didn't stick with him.too long; he hardly played the second half. "

I can't say it any more plainly than he's getting his chance to show he's a player and he's blowing it. As you say, the snap counts show that his play isn't being lost on the coaching staff so many out there say is ignorant of game flow. Josh Whyle, who was regarded as a decent pass-catching TE prospect when he came out, is up!

Other teams are leaning into multi-TE sets (instead of throwing extra OL on the field)--Pittsburgh and the Rams come to mind--to bait teams into playing more base and then throwing at or over lead-footed LBs. I read (yes, READ Nags) a piece just yesterday that the Packers are particularly guilty of putting base personnel out against 12 and 13 packages and surrendering passing yards against it. What's more, the Packers are now woefully underequipped to use this strategy themselves.

"A reminder, don't sell your tickets to Vikings fans!"

Minnesota fans in all sports (except maybe college hockey) are a fickle bunch, and a 4-6 team that's lost 4 of its last 5 and is fading rather than improving will have those Vikings fans who scrounged tickets early selling them back to Packers fans.

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mrtundra's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:36 am

"Minnesota fans in all sports (except maybe college hockey) are a fickle bunch, and a 4-6 team that's lost 4 of its last 5 and is fading rather than improving..." Don't let the vikings record lull you into thinking that this will be an easy game. They are playing the Packers, in the Hallowed Shrine of Lambeau! This is the first of their two SuperBowls, this season. Both involve the Packers. Look for a tough, close game and hopefully MLF has the Packers prepared to give this purple clad team a drubbing. GO PACK, GO!!!

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Razer's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:40 am

Luke Musgrave is a poor man's Jimmy Graham. He was perfectly suited for college ball offense. He is not suited for the physical, confrontation style of play at this level. His whole going down before contact and his poor blocking is telltale. If we are expecting our TEs to mix it up then Luke is miscast. He won't be on the team next year unless he finds an inner Gronk. Until then he is taking up a spot.

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dobber's picture

November 19, 2025 at 10:16 am

I think of him as Mike Gesicki: modestly productive and athletic but disinterested in getting his hands dirty.

"Luke is miscast. He won't be on the team next year unless he finds an inner Gronk."

As long as he's healthy, I don't think they'll let him go until after his rookie contract expires. The fact that he's never played much special teams and is off special teams since the Dallas game doesn't help his cause.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 19, 2025 at 10:39 am

I still try to wrap my head around him having to piss blood for weeks. That's the kind of injury that wrecks your psyche. He's got to get his head right. Not sure if he'll be able to do it.

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Coldworld's picture

November 19, 2025 at 11:29 am

I’ve already said my piece in Musgrave, but I really think we are forgetting his rookie performance and thus this isn’t as clear cut as a lot of people now see it. For context, when his rookie season ended, we were generally excited about his upside and potential for Musgrave and Kraft to complement each other.

Musgrave was doing pretty well for a rookie: 46 targets for 352 yards in 11 regular season games with 1 TD, 14 first downs and a 10.4 ypc. 5 catches of 20 yards plus. He did that playing from the slot as well as in line.

He had the TD that sealed the playoff victory over Dallas too after returning. He had 52 yards on 3 catches and the TD in that win. Is that Kraft good? No, at least not the current Kraft. But he was on pace of around 550 yards had he not been injured. Coffman still holds the record for a TE with 814. Finley’s best season was 767.

The record for a rookie in GB is held by Bubba Franks at 363 over 16 games. Kraft managed 355 on 40 targets: so 6 less targets than Musgrave for 3 more yards. That’s a fairly minute difference.

There was no reason to predict what has happened since, especially after the Dallas game. There is good reason to question why he’s not been used the same way since as a complement to Kraft or generally in Kraft’s absence.

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mnbadger's picture

November 20, 2025 at 08:27 pm

Cut his arse now and add a large mean football player asap!
GPG!

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gsd3's picture

November 19, 2025 at 04:54 pm

I don't understand why anyone is surprised by Musgrave. His college film shows him repeatedly stumbling and bumbling. Not to the extent we are experiencing now, but it's there just the same. Not his fault he was way over drafted. They are only hurting the team by putting him on the field. Whyle can assume some of the pass catching. At least he has decent hands and co- ordination. Scour practice squads for a good blocking TE. Just my opinion.

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Spock's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:13 am

I think it was Evan Williams (he of the last INT RECEPTION) said in an after-game interview (paraphrasing), "Looks like we'll be on the Jugs machine a lot this week." :)

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Coldworld's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:19 am

I thought it was Valentine, but it’s right whoever said it. I’d love to hear that a few of them got together on their own to get extra catching practice outside of allowed team practice hours. That’s the kind of extra effort that makes careers and seasons.

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Coldworld's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:14 am

Your point about making every effort to spell the D is acute. With a light preferred IOL and an opponent clearly attempting to over power them and succeeding, that should have been an instinctive priority. That IOL is not designed to withstand what the Giants were able to subject it to.

That is a concern that is unlikely to change this year, unfortunately, so it’s one that should factor into our strategy. For opponents it not only allows them to get yards and dominate possession, it also gradually musters the interior rush. It’s a win-win I fear we will see tried increasingly by future opponents.

Love was good, Watson was great to see. Williams raised questions about how he’s been (not) used. And what was the focus issue among the other receivers? One would think after the week before that they’d be as ready and sharp as can be.

The TE position minus Kraft is a total cluster. We don’t run move routes instead we pretend that Musgrave and Fitzgerald can block and run the kind of plays Kraft could. For goodness sake adapt to what you have. The 6th OL is a better option at this point, but its appearance was brief. It’s not like we were meaningfully targeting the TEs in the passing game, gaining blocking would yield a much better return surely,

I fear the near lateral type horizontal plays only vanished because Golden was beaten up and so was Williams. Brooks got one early and Melton did run one successfully on a nicely designed deception play from the backfield. I hope I’m wrong that this was mostly driven by availability.

We still haven’t figured out how to get Golden involved even without Reed. With Kraft out, the 3 WR limit is proving to be a straight jacket. It would be so nice to see 2 WRs going deep from Watson, Golden and Williams. I dream of seeing Watson bend into a cross over the deep middle and Golden go straight or Williams. Heck, bunch them and have Watson cross, Williams cut to the sideline and Golden just go. Then do it again and have a RB wheel the other way.

That would challenge the shell D safeties and RBs. Mix it up and have Watson or Williams stop. Heck, you could even incorporate Musgrave in that up the seam. Get creative!

Sadly LaFleur’s schematic universe seems artificially limiting and our route trees relatively easy both to predict and cover with limited resources removed from the first ten yards. We make things more difficult for our WRs and for our OL and RBs.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:29 am

To be fair, most of the D's mounting exhaustion Sunday was self inflicted. The Giants had long, long drives all game and the D had a chance to stop 3 or 4 of those drives with dropped INTs.

Giants ran 67 plays and had over 10 minutes more in Time of Possession.

Turnovers are the great equalizer. Williams saying they will be on the JUGS machine this week got my attention. Aren't they always on it?

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 19, 2025 at 11:16 am

The D was probably still dragging from the game vs Philly. A lot of time on the field. The Offense has to do its part and LaFleur has to get his head out of his ass, regarding 3rd and short play design. He's not a chess player, it seems. If Reed shows up, he can do some damage in the up tempo game. Beat down on the Queens pass rush and you control their defense.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:22 am

Eleven games in, and Matthew Golden is barely an afterthought for this offense. Why? Is he unable to get open? Why don't they script plays for him? There's spreading the ball around, and then there's ignoring your #1 pick. It all seems strange.

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Starrbrite's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:48 am

Right—I’ve asked the same question. I see McMillan and Egbuka playing like all-stars. I think many of us felt Golden was equal to them and but has yet to catch a TD—WTH?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:47 pm

Love isn't connecting with him. They need to spend extra time to do so, so he runs full speed and Love hits him in stride. That'll be much easier to do once #11 is back, because the speed of #0 9 and 11 are similar.

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LambeauPlain's picture

November 19, 2025 at 08:44 am

"For the love of Lombardi, why not come out and start the game in tempo one time?"

A very good question. It needs to asked at LaFleur's pressers. He did tell the ABC team before the game he planned "to muck it up", shorten the game by draining the game clock with slow tempo and limit total plays...it can work but when your Offense is not making plays and scoring points...adjust!

Between the two bookend games against the Ugly Purple, the other 5 games in between will be against 5 teams all fighting for a Division title. (Ravens have won four in a row and are 1 game behind 6-4 Steelers)

Bares will have 6 of their remaining 7 games vs teams in the Division hunts.

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mjbrogno's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:04 am

The rest of the season will determine MLF’s future in Green Bay, it’s as simple as that. All the dropped passes , by the O and D prevented this game from being a blowout.

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TXCHEESE's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:12 am

Musgrave brings back the old "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" reference. For someone who is getting basically a second shot, he seems not to be jumping in with both feet. Maybe he's pressing too hard, but to get pulled for two other less experienced players says a lot about his performance.

Not happy that Jacobs was hurt, but hopefully, this will give the coaches confidence to utilize Wilson and Brooks more often, and keep Jacobs fresh...still have 7 games to go before the tournament begins.

Hopefully Willis' play will get MLF and Stenavich off high center and develop a few packages for him to use from time to time. Those things will give other teams another thing to have to prepare for.

Just go out and kick the Queens' a$$es and go on a run. GPG!

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T7Steve's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:31 am

"Maybe he's pressing too hard, but to get pulled for two other less experienced players says a lot about his performance."

I think that as long as he wasn't going to catch passes or just fall down even when he caught one, he got pulled for the better blockers that might (did) catch a pass.

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NFLfan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:50 am

Musgrave, like Van Ness 'looked the part.'

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TXCHEESE's picture

November 19, 2025 at 01:04 pm

I think Van Ness is for real. He can be a huge asset in the pass rush when they move him inside, and he plays the run very solid

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NFLfan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:44 am

There was a comment made by Mike Wahle yesterday that stuck with me and I don't know if it's 'fixable'.
"Without Kraft, the receivers (WR/TE's) lack physicality, sustained blocking ability and are not able to secure the ball on a consistent basis-" Route-running isn't where it should be either. My guess is coaching isn't providing enough discipline and attention to detail. Davante stopped the drops after his second year.
The current TE's are not NFL caliber.

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TarynsEyes's picture

November 19, 2025 at 09:55 am

"One Giant Step and Some Small Ones".

One Giant Step over a Lilliputian.

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Coldworld's picture

November 19, 2025 at 11:36 am

Surely one Lilliputian step over the Giants?

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Starrbrite's picture

November 19, 2025 at 10:09 am

The salient point(s) made by Al and y’all concerning situational awareness is imo the most critical element of all.
I believe we have lost three NFC championships because of a coaches/players lack of awareness.
I recall the Seattle championship when they lined up for FG when the only thing that mattered was if they gained a first down. Of course, the edge (Jones) crashes inside allowing an easy catch for a first down…and you know the rest of the story.
…and LaFluer chooses a FG with a couple minutes left vs Brady & the Bucs when the only logical choice was attempting a TD.
…Allowing a blkd punt vs the 9’rs.
I could go on, but you’re already yawning.
Anyway, good article Al.
Go Packers!!!

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NFLfan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 10:46 am

Agree

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 11:10 am

"It wasn't pretty, but I'm encouraged for several reasons. Sure there were negatives - the drops, injuries and the ever-present penalties, but there were things I wanted to see and some important positives. First of all, the Packers NEEDED a win to feel good about themselves again."

I was very encouraged. Some of the things that I was encouraged about.

- They found their WR#1. They can say all they want that they go with who is open and whatnot. No Watson is the number 1. He has the best hands on the team (except for maybe Golden). He is the deep threat and biggest playmaker. As Doubs was dropping balls Watson was making big time plays. Watson needs more targets!

- They found something after Jacobs went out. They put the ball in Love's hands and let him cook. He was a chef. It was not on him that they ended up with 7 or whatever drops. They did more under center and I think this part of the game suites Love and LaFleur more. Hopefully they continue to do so.

- While the TE's weren't great, I think they are finding ways to use them. Whyle looks like a player they can use. maybe as an HB some. I do think they will find ways to use Musgrave too. They won't be Kraft, but they can be productive.

- Savion Willams had 2 plays on offense. But he had probably the biggest play of the game coming down with that contested 33 yard catch. I hope after that play they start giving him more opportunities down the field. They could use another big weapon down the field.

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dobber's picture

November 19, 2025 at 12:06 pm

"Whyle looks like a player they can use. maybe as an HB some."

Whyle didn't come out as a prototypical in-line TE, but it seems to be odd to see a guy with his dimensions in the Deguara role...

"Savion Willams had 2 plays on offense. But he had probably the biggest play of the game coming down with that contested 33 yard catch. I hope after that play they start giving him more opportunities down the field."

Very encouraged that he made the play when called on. They need to be getting him the ball on crossers and positive yardage rather than just on jets.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 01:15 pm

At 6'-7" I didn't anticipate him being used in that role, but honestly I have been pleasantly surprised with him in that role.

I would love to see Williams getting the ball on some crossers. Getting him the ball in space outside of swing passes, sweeps and whatnot. Get him the ball downfield and good things can happen. Hopefully he can get healed up though.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:53 pm

Savion, #9 and 88 are our big targets. Difficult for Love to connect with all 3 because their speed is so different, whereas throwing to #0 at full speed and hitting him in stride will be easier once #0 9 and 11 are all on the field because their speed is similar.

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NFLfan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 12:13 pm

Whyle looks like he has good hands but apparently is a poor blocker.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

November 20, 2025 at 05:53 pm

Better blocker than #88.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

November 19, 2025 at 12:21 pm

I don't know how useful LaFleur's days as a Division II and Indoor Football League QB has been in his professional coaching career. Although it seems that often he is more "playing" the game than coaching it - through the talents of Jordan Love and cast.

Also I attribute his recent offensive game plan as more of a fortunate accident than any sort of epiphany. Having only taken form after the injuries to Love and Jacobs. Still I'm hoping that MLF has finally learned something from the Giants game.

In the meantime - I would recommend LaFleur check-out the Zen Master "Phil Jackson" - whose principles for leadership included giving up control and trusting in the moment. It could lead to a longer (coaching) life.

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NFLfan's picture

November 19, 2025 at 01:14 pm

Good points-especially 'playing rather than coaching the game'.

Phil Jackson and MLF-interesting tale of opposites. I'm not certain MLF would quite grasp what Phil was sharing.

It was never fair that Murphy consolidated power and placed 2 individuals, (Gute and MLF) into roles in which they were under-qualified. And, presently, there is no real indication that his 3rd protege will significantly wander far from the the current status quo.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

November 19, 2025 at 02:23 pm

I enjoyed watching Phil sitting on the bench - watching the game - not getting his feathers fluffed up. Certainly never over-coached. Should be a lesson to many coaches.

Intrigued but not excited to hear Policy's manifesto. What part status quo - what part change? Also thinking more status quo than change.

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