Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Truth or Dare

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Truth or Dare - We've heard it before, but listening to Matt LaFleur tell us how the Lions were "daring us to throw" certainly carries a greater meaning when it's the worst defense in the league doing the daring. Ponder this: the Lions, who have been defensive disasters and just fired their defensive backs coach, felt their best chance at success was making Aaron Rodgers throw the ball. The Lions delivered a hard truth to the Packers, and oh, how far we've fallen.

Seattle Season, - All of 2022 has been like one long 2014 NFC Championship game where anything that could have gone wrong at the worst times, has.

Polluted Take - The Vikings are 7-1 because their quarterback doesn't have too big of an ego to run his coach's offense the way his coach would like it to be run.

Insanity - That's what I call the sequence of the last four Packers plays of the game. Talk about a total lack of situational awareness. 1st and 10 on the 17-yard line, 55 seconds left, and (shockingly) two timeouts. No reason to rush - use the time, use your timeouts when needed, but if you do score, don't leave 40 seconds on the clock for the Lions (with three timeouts) to get into field goal position. Instead, the very first pass is into the end zone, and three out of four were in the end zone. You can still get a first down! Why roll the dice by gunning for the end zone right away? Is it because they know they suck on the goal line? I don't know what to think.

Watkins - Somebody please check Sammy for a pulse. His effort level is slightly above that of your local neighborhood sloth.

#FreeWinfrey - Packers, I implore you, PLEASE elevate JuWann Winfree from the Practice Squad and send Watkins home.

Penalties - The Packers sure have a way of getting penalties at the WORST times. On both of Detroit's scoring drives, the Packers made stops on third down that were nullified by penalties. Instead of Detroit having to punt, they were able to continue those drives that resulted in their touchdowns.

Love Lazard, but... - I'm not here to criticize Allen Lazard. He's a tremendous asset to this team in many ways, but he does not have the ability to separate as a WR1 normally would. The majority of passes to Lazard are contested - there's always a DB right on him and sticking his hand in there. It often takes a perfect pass from Rodgers, like the TD to Lazard in the end zone, to execute WR1-like big plays. So as much as Rodgers wants to throw it downfield, the odds of success are lower when it's going to Lazard. That's not a knock on Lazard, it's just the reality. Add in Rodgers' inaccuracy this year and the odds of success drop even more. 

Bakhtiari Eligible - I saw plenty of people bitching about the stupidity of throwing the ball to a tackle on the goal line. Personally, I loved the call (finally some creativity on the goal line) and if Rodgers executes a simple pass you or I could likely make, it's a touchdown, and those people bitching would be cheering for how brilliant it was. Oh, and the Packers probably win the game.

Goal Line TEs - So many teams use their tight ends as weapons on the goal line. I only watched two games this past week and both the Lions and Bucs scored easy touchdowns that way. Other than their once-annual throw to Marcedes Lewis in the end zone, the Packers are ignoring a very effective tactic.

Hurry up and Wait - The Lions made effective use of the hurry-up on offense on their scoring drives, catching the Packers' defense unprepared in a few cases. When the Packers go to hurry up (pretty much never outside of the last two minutes of a half), it looks quite a bit different. The Packers eschew the huddle and then stand around as Rodgers gives instructions for 20 seconds or more before snapping the ball. Needless to say, that gives the defense plenty of time to get set. Other teams get to the line of scrimmage, the QB makes a quick call and the ball is snapped. They obviously have prepared some plays to be used in that situation. Do you mean to tell me the Packers can't designate 5-10 plays to be used in such situations that everyone knows about and are ready to run upon a simple call at the LOS? Is this rocket science?

SMH - The number of All-22 clips people have been posting on twitter of wide open receivers that Rodgers ignores (or doesn't see) is simply staggering.

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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Savage57's picture

November 09, 2022 at 06:14 am

I wish I could offer some meaningful rebuttal about how far off the mark are your observations about the state of the Packers.

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mnbadger's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:41 pm

Savage57, I mostly agree but offer one rebuttal, sorry AL.
From this comment: "Bakhtiari Eligible - I saw plenty of people bitching about the stupidity of throwing the ball to a tackle on the goal line. Personally, I loved the call (finally some creativity on the goal line)"
Remember, ar12 won't/can't trust professional wr's whom he practices with, throws balls to, discusses routes in meetings, during film work, etc.
However, with bakh, blind trust during the most critical series of the season. this is the Bakh that is too injured to practice, too injured to play, has maybe caught 5 balls in practice during his career.
Our professional receivers that are injured are on the sideline, some in street clothes, where they belong.
Somehow bahk can be trusted more?
Enough BS.
bench mlf and bench/trade/cut ar12!
sorry for the rant, GPG!

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NickPerry's picture

November 09, 2022 at 06:25 am

As I went to respond to some of the points Al brought up in what is one of my favorite pieces here each week on CHTV, this felling of negativity came over me. I'm TIRED of the negative, but honestly don't see much of a reason for optimism. Well other than the top 5 draft slot the Packers seem certain to have in the 2023 draft.

But, I did think of this question...

Does Aaron Rodgers STILL give this team the best chance to win? Personally I think he had a really bad trip on Ayawaska, because this dude is stranger than ever and he just not even remotely likeable anymore.

But, even with my personal feelings aside does he REALLY give them the best chance to win? Considering he does whatever in the hell he wants to, ignores wide open receivers over, and over, and over again, I say NO!

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Guam's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:40 am

Agree that Rodgers should be benched. The Packers need to find out (1) what they have in Love before next year's draft; and (2) what Matt LaFleur's offense will really looks like. The Packers offense looks nothing like the Shanahan offense that MLF brought to GB and looks very much like the old MM offense. That won't change until Rodgers is no longer the QB.

I am not a fan of MLF, but the Packers should at least give his real offense a chance before they fire the guy. And that can't happen as long as Rodgers is playing.

And for those Rodgers idolators who don't think he is in decline, rewatch the Detroit game. The Packers have more troubles than Rodgers, but he is their biggest problem. His accuracy and arm strength are fading and he refuses to deviate from the old MM offense even though he doesn't have the WRs and the arm to execute it anymore. Aging quickly (athletically speaking) and too proud to acknowledge it.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:18 am

Thank you, Guam. It was obvious already last season, not so often, but in enough quantity to be noticed.

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Razer's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:26 am

Sorry Guam, I can't get on board with benching Rodgers. Yes, he is not playing well but few on this team are playing well. Rodgers is a precision kind of guy and when things are confused and his reads are not as expected, he is lost. Davante Adams was his fallback for much of the last years because of familiarity and skill. He/we don't have that anymore. We have guys missing assignments, running sloppy routes, getting penalized on simple blocking assignments and general confusion. Why does it take so long to get a play into the huddle, get the guys to the LOS, make any adjustments and execute the play. Too many guys simply don't know what they are doing.

As for Jordan Love, the Packer know what they have in Love and it isn't as expected. If Love showed enough intelligence and aptitude to play QB in the NFL, do you think we would have signed Rodgers to the ridiculous contract and missed out on loading up on new talent for the next generation? The Packers know Love isn't the answer and took the easy route of riding old reliable. Maybe a little too old and not so reliable.

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Guam's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:45 am

Understand your viewpoint Razer and many of the points you raised in your first paragraph are accurate. The Packers have more problems than just Rodgers. OTH do you really believe Rodgers is not in decline? If he is, then it is only going to get worse. Aging is not reversible.

My other concern is Rodger's stubbornness. P. Manning adjusted to his declining arm by changing his offense to better suit the talents he still retained. Rodgers shows none of that willingness. He still clings to an offense the needs what he was 10 years ago and he can no longer execute it.

As for Jordan Love, how can the Packers know what they have when he really hasn't played? Some guys are gamers, some are practice gods. I don't know what the Packers have in Love and I doubt they really do since he hasn't played much. Play him and find out so they know what to do in next year's draft.

And if Love is crappy, then the Packers are doing the same thing the Colts are doing - tanking the season to secure a high draft choice and a shot at one of several very talented young QBs coming out this year. Not a bad idea........

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:52 am

I don’t think your reasoning on Love holds up. If it did, We wouldn’t have, in a comparable situation, drafted Brohm in 2008. It was not until Rodgers played and played meaningfully over a number of games, with a game plan that wax built for him that the organization knew enough to commit to him . TT wasn’t particularly reticent about that (by TT standards). You don’t know what you have till they play in anger a few times and reasonably prepared and planned for when doing so.

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NickPerry's picture

November 09, 2022 at 04:39 pm

"The Packers offense looks nothing like the Shanahan offense that MLF brought to GB and looks very much like the old MM offense. That won't change until Rodgers is no longer the QB."

EXACTLY Guam...It looks NOTHING like the offense we all were kind of excited about a few years ago. This looks like MM's offense except without any true #1 or #2, or even #3 WR on the roster healthy right now.

I'm actually embarrassed fr MLF right now. I mean Jesus Christ, GROW A PAIR OF BALLS! Stand up to 12 and tell him either do it MY way or get your ass over there on the bench.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:46 pm

"Does Aaron Rodgers STILL give this team the best chance to win? "

This Sunday? Or the rest of the season? Or is it the same thing?

Murphy has come out and said "It's too early to throw in the towel on the season", or words to that effect. Which immediately made me ask the question "When is it not too early? 3-7, 3-8, 3-9....when?"

We have questions, and we'll get some answers on Sunday, against the Cowboys, in front of a national TV audience. Rodgers will either play well and get points on the board, or he will not. If he does, there'll be hope. If he doesn't, millions of people are going to see it and ask the same question you did?

As I've said, I'd rather see us lose with Love than watch an aged, injured, impotent version of Aaron Rodgers get booed at Lambeau, but maybe that's what it's going to take. He's helped us win a lot of games but I don't think he's going to help us win very many more.

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NickPerry's picture

November 09, 2022 at 04:41 pm

"Murphy has come out and said "It's too early to throw in the towel on the season", or words to that effect. Which immediately made me ask the question "When is it not too early? 3-7, 3-8, 3-9....when?"

Hmmm... And WHY in the hell is Murphy talking right now. Shouldn't he be worried about the giant slide being ready for the snow coming soon? God knows he fucks up everything football related!!!

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Since'61's picture

November 09, 2022 at 06:07 pm

Remember Murphy said, "We're not idiots." So now he is basically saying "What me worry. It's too early to throw in the towel."

This is code for keep starting Rodgers, keep the Packers relevant and keep the media involved even while we're losing. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:06 pm

He also predicted a 4th MVP for Rodgers this year. Should I hold my breath on that one too?

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:53 pm

He's a marketing guy who added a law degree to cover his butt.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:05 pm

Murphy isn’t going to concede till he’s got no alternative. Both he and those who work there know he put us where we are now. He’s going to hope and pray that something comes up to give him a fig leaf .

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HawkPacker's picture

November 09, 2022 at 06:35 am

I agree with you Al on every point you make. This is probably my simplest comment in quite awhile.

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stockholder's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:03 am

Elevate Winfree? What planet are you on? Just say it. You want Rodger’s gone. Such failure through out. Just Look at the trade rumors.
Wr, TE, FS.? It’s more than Rodgers having a bad thumb. The trench just can’t get it done. Both sides are at all time lows, per stats (w/Rodgers.)
This team has Needs. And thats not on Rodgers.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:20 am

Stock, I'm on the planet where Sammy Watkins has been a disaster, and probably cost them that game despite the poor play by Rodgers, injuries and mental mistakes. Rodgers trusts Winfree and he seems to know which route to run, so swapping him for Watkins seems like I'm on Planet Reasonable. As for Rodgers, what I want is for him to be at least close to the Aaron Rodgers we paid $50M to. Blaming everything except Rodgers for his disappointing play I think puts you on Planet Ayahuasca.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:30 am

Watkins has been a disaster and has lessened the talent on the field in practice and when we most needed any spark. What now appears is that he’s also been coasting on the play book. I would cut him and move on and ask why the Head Coach has treated him as if he has a divine right to start whenever available.

I don’t think Winfree is an answer. To be honest, I’d go Fulgham at the X anyway (better fit and more experience). Winfree is a 4/5 type talent. Can play anywhere but isn’t great anywhere. The only other X I see is Watson and I’m not sure he’s ready physically for that consistently.

While Cobb is out, I’d go Toure for Doubs, Watson/Fulgham for Watkins and Lazard as the slot by default. I would have Winfree active as back up to all of them. However, we seem determined to have Rodgers continue to return, so he likely replaces Winfree or, as you suggest, we try Winfree at X with Watson.

Lost in the miasma of ordure that was the last game was another terrible call by Rodgers to leave a punt. At some point can we not simply move on from him? On O, he’s still struggling to be open and always will I suspect. If we do use him, it needs to be in the slot. He’s not good enough to force to play against type and physical attributes. Yet we persist in doing so.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:52 am

For a COLDworld, you are definitely EN FUEGO!!

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Rebecca's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:21 am

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:04 pm

The guy never should have been activated from IR. Give him a medical discharge, bus fare, whatever, but get him off the team.

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stockholder's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:43 pm

I'll say Watkins and Rodger's haven't lived up to expectations. And Rodgers has come up short !!!!!
But Winfree never showed us why he could replace anybody. Not to mention the targets and drops.
Rodgers praised the rookies. And Gutey has tried to solve the WR puzzle for the "second" time.
Rodger's been put into an impossible situation since Game1. And it's frustrated him. He has changed!
I'm sure everyone wants Rodgers to earn his salary. But he's wounded: not just physically, but the pieces that haven't fit.
His "needs" were never met. Which is why I pointed to the Trade Rumors.
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Oppy's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:42 pm

Rodgers is the problem.

Deal with it.

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mnbadger's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:44 pm

really hard to address all of the obvious needs w/qb1 eating a 1/4 of the salary cap. That's on rodgers, mm and bg. GPG!

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Handsback's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:04 am

I talked to an old coach, who's helping me with my book, and asked him about the Packers. Why the quick fall off from last year?
He said team discipline was to blame and was probably from the many coaching changes esp. oline. Too many weaken spots on oline verses last year and not enough position awareness which comes from practice or playing together.
Also that Rodgers should be benched at times during games but knows that will never happen. Says it appears he's playing scared.
For what it's worth...

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T7Steve's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:31 am

Thank you. Your comment makes it, so I don't have to do my usual rant about the trenches and Rodgers' thumb.

It's never been popular (or very effective) in the NFL to platoon quarterbacks. That said I thought how unselfish it was of Drew Breeze when the Saints were successfully doing it.
There's no way Rodgers would throw off his rhythm and allow someone else to help the team out.

Thanks to Al too. Maybe the Packers can be spoilers the rest of the year, if they can't get into the playoffs.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm

Maybe there are 2 Drew Brees.

The one i remember wasn't unselfish...he would always finish the game even if the team was up by 14-21 points.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:33 am

So your old coach never even mentioned the lack of receiver talent?

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Handsback's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:53 am

Not sure you ever read Ask Vic, but his take was always WRs are a dime a dozen. The same for this guy. His take on WRs are a real playmaker...Hill/Adams/ etc. are worth keeping. Otherwise go get another guy. He said every team needs a speed receiver, reliable route runner, more quick than fast receiver, and a TE that can run. He says just about every team has these guys.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:10 pm

Yea...i'd rather have a quick receiver who is twitchy with good feet. Those guys get open anywhere.

I think i read Ask Vic a couple times...each time he was a Packer apologist. So i never read him again.

I am the opposite of a Packer apologist, and i don't "blindly" Carry The G"
I don't/won't pretend everything is good and put on a smiley face.
I'd rather discuss what i see in reality.

Nagler doesn't always carry the G either, he gets emotional and lets common sense and reality into play once in awhile...but after he settles down..he'll continue to Carry The G again.
Plus, it's good for shirt and hat sales 😯

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Packerpasty's picture

November 09, 2022 at 05:59 pm

Vic was a terrible apologist, I also quit reading anything by him..

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Oppy's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:46 pm

It's almost like he was an employee of the Green Bay Packers.
Go figure.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:06 pm

Coldhardfootballfacts.com did an excellent study of WRs about 15 years ago, and ended up concluding that they were "shiny hood ornaments" and largely fungible, except for a few at the top. I agree.

Put 200 NFL wide receivers on the bell curve, and you've got about 40 who are above average and about 40 who are at the bottom. Of the top 40, there's about a dozen that are Pro Bowlers. The rest are starters.

Right now, off the top of my head, I could name you several top WRs who aren't winning. Davante Adams. Cooper Kupp. Mike Evans. Terry McLaurin.

Let me ask you a question. You'd want your best player at QB, of course, but where would you want your 2nd best offensive player? RB? LT? OL/OT? TE? Or would you want your 2nd best player to be at WR?

Look at Davante Adams last year. He was getting targeted about 10 times/game. What was he doing on the other 56 plays, including the other 25 pass plays or so.? He was blocking or drawing coverage to open up somebody else. Is that a bigger contribution to an offense than a RB who touches the ball 25 times? Or a LT that plays all 66 snaps and protects the QB and opens holes in the run game?

Think about it. It makes sense, to me.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:53 pm

I'm not the old coach you talked to, but that's my bottom line assessment, too. We make too many mistakes, so obviously there isn't enough discipline. It never occurred to me that all the changes in the coaching staff might have been the cause of that. In previous seasons, the Packers have done a good job of NOT beating themselves, but we've certainly done it a bunch this year.

" Says it appears he's playing scared."

I don't think it's fear, I think things are just happening too fast for him, he's not seeing the field, his hand is affecting his passing, and he's not able to buy time with his legs. His arm, his mobility, his vision.....it's all coming together and he doesn't understand why it doesn't work anymore.

I've said it before: His demeanor really reminded me of Marino's last game, when he was just totally ineffective and couldn't understand why.

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HawkPacker's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:34 pm

LH, may Peter Principle with the new coaches? And maybe even with the head coach?

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Boneman's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:07 am

When I was a kid (long, long time ago...) I rooted for my team. Do people do that anymore? The amount of vitriol and rancor aimed at this team is staggering. Everyone has a platform to criticize and most hold nothing back. Sometimes your team has a bad year or goes on a losing streak. It's not the end of the world! Pro players make pretty good money, the stars make huge money. Logically you expect better performance the more you get paid. Guess what, doesn't happen in life and doesn't happen in sports. Let's have fun and root for our team. I'm not saying don't criticize but lets tone it down a notch or two. Let's not spoil 12's final seasons in GB, it's been a hell of a good ride. It's football...

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croatpackfan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:06 am

That 12 spit and piss on the team you, me and others rooting for. Is that forgivable? Of course, but only if comes from honest understanding of your mistake and will to change with embracing different approach and behavior. I must say I see nothing of that. Just huge Ego. And further spitting and soiling others. That is why I can't stand any more of 12.

Jordan Love might be bust, but I'll rooting for him as he shows nothing than decency and gratitude. He does not role over his eyes when somebody else makes mistake that influence his stats. He gives the best of himself. That is all you can ask from 22 yo guy. If he has talent (I believe he has), the results will come.

I'm owner of company. If I have guy who do wonderful job in his role and starts to spit on company and everybody else, I'll fire him in the moment I become aware of that. The basic foundation of success in sport as in business is to have group of people that come to the job with joy and willingness to contribute as good as they can. Nobody, not even me (as owner) is above that.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:36 am

"He does not role over his eyes when somebody else makes mistake that influence his stats."
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He doesn't roll his eyes because he's usually the guy making the mistake.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:00 am

Let it go. Rodgers isn’t and hadn’t been perfect by any means and has been both error prone and inaccurate. I believe that there are reasons for that but, knee jerk defense if him is both unsustainable and makes it harder to defend what is.

Knee jerk dismissal of Love only makes it worse because we really do not know and we almost certainly will and should find out this year.

As an early Rodgers proponent I would note that, after a similar amount of time and games, their records are strikingly similar. Rodgers was belief until 2008 and he still grew during that year. So much so Brohm was drafted in to compete that year.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:27 am

Well, i didn't say anything about Rodgers...right?

A fan had an opinion on Love.
I voiced my opinion on Love.........be it tongue in cheek (relax soldier)
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My opinion on Love isn't knee jerk....Did the Packers give Rodgers 150 million, because they thought that Love is their next franchise QB?
GEEZ....i would hope not.

Secondly...What does MLF keep saying about Love...."he has a ways to go"

Thirdly, it isn't knee jerk, because i've seen him play.
Mostly in pre-season and it hasn't been pretty.
Do you think he'll play better going against teams 1st string in regular season games?
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Again...i didn't bring Rodgers up, you did.

"Rodgers was belief until 2008 and he still grew during that year."

I can't comment on that because i, well.....i understand English.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:21 pm

Perhaps I can spell it out more at length. In 2008 the reality was that my and others faith in Rogers was what we believed he could be if he became more consistently able to string together what we saw as positives. We did not know he could, but we believed that he had a very good chance to. We know that he did as that season progressed, though he was much better in 2009. We know TT wasn’t sure because of the Brohm draft, what was said at the time and subsequently.

As to English comprehension, it’s actually accepted that one can use the phraseology that a thing or person is defined by a quality or characteristic. In this case, faith in Rodgers was belief at that point (as it had not yet been proven). So maybe keep working on that.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:52 pm

Well..if you think this is correct English...

""Rodgers was belief until 2008 and he still grew during that year."

Then i say more power to you. I'm probably just not all that smart.
Tell ya what, i don't thumbs down anyone...but i'm gonna give you a thumbs up.

Keep on, keepin on Coldworld.
Thanks for trying.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:46 pm

how about this...

Rodgers was only a belief with no proven performance to back that belief until 2008 when he began to take actual regular season snaps and grew that year.

cold, did i capture your intent?

since 75, does that fill in the blanks?

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:17 pm

Yes. I think perhaps long form was needed, but phone typing gets tedious and time is not always a friend.

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LeotisHarris's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:41 am

Boneman makes a solid point, but there isn't much happening on the field that has been praise-worthy. Al put what we saw into words. That's the reality. ::shrug::

Even a world-class rootfest won't pull the Packers out of this tailspin. I'm rooting almost constantly. However, a guy's rooter gets damn tired when an NFL offense can only manage 9 points against a NCAA DII defense. Venters gotta vent.

Now, if things get ugly on Sunday, I hope the drunken masses will not boo at Lambeau. Of course they will, and they'll look like the porcine ingrates they are for all to see. And, then we can return here (not to Nagler's video Gut Reactions) to the game summary and vent. So be it.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:56 am

Thumbs up for panning video laziness gut reactions...

OTOH who cares what nagler thinks, do you really believe he knows anything more about football and the GBP than the top posters here at chtv?

uh - huh...

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:39 am

Yes, lost me straight after games now too. We lost the Good, the bad and the ugly, but made no real fuss. This time I am sure they have seen the feedback at CHTV and decided it’s not important. So not my post game haunt anymore.

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NJmike15's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:27 am

Yes, it's just a game, but I'd rather watch a team that gives 100% effort than one that looks like it doesn't care anymore. The problems now are egos and fear. The president who wants be at like an owner and have all decisions ok'ed by him; a GM who selects players that are not used by the coach; the coach who is afraid of the QB and can't run the plays he wants; the QB who thinks he knows everything, throws his players under the bus, forces passes, and ignores open receivers. Time for a big change starting with the top.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:09 am

This is concise and accurate.

Props my man!

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Rarescope's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:25 pm

Boneman - how DARE you try to bring a sense of rationality to this forum?!?! People are here because they have suffered grave injustice and demand their rightfully due recompense!!!

/end sarcasm

Go Pack Go.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:02 pm

When i was little Bart was benched and rarely saw the field. It was disappointing, but then, he didn’t have the srm to do it anymore.

After that, the Packers sucked & we all said they sucked. There was no hiding it and no point in pretending otherwise.

Even further down the road, my corner bar in Milwaukee had plenty of guys who would get down on players or the team if they felt they deserved it. Packer fandom has always had a realist wing.

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HawkPacker's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:40 pm

Much like most teams' fans I would guess.

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Razer's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:31 am

I know that piling on Rodgers is the thing to do when things are so far off the rails. And Big Al even throws Kirk Cousins and the Vikes into the discussion as a little salt. Cousins is not a bad QB and he is throwing to pro bowl WRs. The Vikings have invested in real tight ends that are actually part of the offense and their RBs are talented. With some decent coaching, it is not hard to see why they are succeeding.

On the other hand, watching Rodgers trying to win the game with no WRs, WRs running the wrong routes, people missing assignments and general confusion on both sides of the ball, it is NOT hard to see why the Packers don't win. I too wanted to see us get another first down instead of 4 shots to the endzone. Give the ball to Dillon and watch him fall at first contact wasn't an option. WR screen where the players don't get a interference penalty is in our playbook - although overused. Hope that Allen Lazard gets 12" of separation is our go-to. QB sneak was our best shot.

Bottomline, teams are challenging us to throw because they know that we don't have the WRs and worse, we don't know what we are doing on offense.

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Untylu1968's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:57 am

Not sure if watched the game, and not debating about the quality of our receiving Corp, but man, some of those shitty receivers were wide open, and either not thrown to, or had rotten passes thrown their way. Have always been a huge Rodgers fan, but damn, he's nearing the end, and it's time for a change.

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Packers1985's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:09 am

Exactly comparing us to Vikings is a Joke . Their Roster is way more talented than us on the offensive side of the ball. Coming to issues on this team there are n number of problems this team has and Qb is only one of it. Oline play coaching Wr's and Qb all together has what caused us this mess. I am totally fine with blaming it all on Rodgers as he is making the major share of the pie and also the leader of the pack.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:23 am

One interesting point. Captain Kirk was at Vikings OTA. Just a notice...

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Since'75's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:48 pm

And Favre had to have a private locker and mostly stayed away from training camp as much as he could get away with.

But yea...lets stone Rodgers to death.

Rodgers has to alter his summer vacations to tutor the rookie receivers because, we have to count on them to be productive because Gute didn't do HIS job.

Just curious, did you just start following the NFL and become a Packer fan recently?

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:49 pm

You know what else that team does each and every game? They run the damn ball. Its not "gameplan specific" as numbnuts Lafleur put it. Its part of who they are as an offense. They never get too far away from it. Packers will go entire quarters without running the ball. Its a joke.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:27 pm

I’m not sure it is way more talented except at WR. It’s not as badly coached and seems more in synch with itself. I’d say better coached. It’s certainly performed better.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:17 pm

Yes Sir Packers1985....

"I am totally fine with blaming it all on Rodgers as he is making the major share of the pie and also the leader of the pack."
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Isn't Murphy and Gute the decision makers, or is Rodgers doing their jobs for them and making all the decisions?

Also, didn't you say the vikings roster was more talented than the Packers?
Why is that i wonder?

Cousins 2022 cap hit is 31.4 million
Rodgers 2022 cap hit is 28.5 million.
But its' Rodgers fault because he makes too much money?
I have to stop soon, i'm losing brain cells.

So....Rodgers makes too much money?
WHO GAVE Rodgers that money?
Did he put a gun to their head and demand it?

Couldn't the Packers have said...Thanks, but NO THANKS, we're not interested, and went ahead with Love?
If Love is a bust, is that Rodgers fault also?

If any draft pick doesn't look to show promise, like Walker, Watson, Wyatt...is that Rodgers fault also?

Where does it stop?

I hope the Packers get rid of Rodgers so all you whiners, can dry your eyes and see how this team operates without a HOF QB under center.

The fans under 45 or 50 are in for a rude awakening. Most teams don't have a HOF QB for 10 years, much less 3 decades.

You'll understand soon enough

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:14 am

Nice job Razer....

Your first paragraph tells the rest of the story that Big Al leaves out. The vikings are pretty solid all the way around, they do things to improve their team like pick up sack leader Zadarius Smith, pick up TJ Hockenson.

I didn't follow the vikings draft, but maybe they had more success than Gutes first 3 rounds of picks with Wyatt, Walker, Watson, and Rhyan.
It could be argued that 4th round pick Doubs, has been more productive than Gutes first 3 round picks ...combined.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:11 pm

Not really yet. Though I’d have loved Cline.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:52 pm

Vikings also have cap space whereas the Packers are already over next year's cap for the 2nd season in a row and will have to pay Rashan Gary and Elgton Jenkins BIG money. Were gonna end up losing Kenny Clark, David Bakhtiari, Aaron Jones, Adrian Amos, and others as a direct result of the cap mismanagement. And yet people want to add MORE expensive players? When does it end? When do people accept that this team has gone as far as its gonna go and must reboot regardless of what the Vikings or any other team are doing?

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:19 pm

There were still a good number that thought Favre was the QB who should be here not Rodgers until half way through his final season in purple. After 2009 Rodgers had shown he was at least as good, but that still didn’t stop it. Fandom of a player stunts perspective even for Packer fans not just Favre or Rodgers acolytes. It will get more heated I suspect.

One just has to weed out the knee jerk player adherents and move on. It’s usually obvious fast because it tends to be repeated short mantras of absolutist defense or assertions of facts/certainties that are dubious or partial at best and doesn’t engage with points made, just repeats.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:16 am

Darissaw solidified their left flank. Ingram, Cleveland, O'Neil, Bradbury, a lot of talent. They picked up Reagor to cover the return game for peanuts. Hockenson an in your face move after Smith went to IR. Jefferson & Thielen and KJ Osborn a real find [three solid wides]. Tomlinson sets the middle and is playing better than Kenny Clark. Cousins is placing the ball and the wides are bringing in the catch as they run Clean Routes. Kendricks and Hicks solid ILBs, ZaDarious, Wonnum, Hunter for the rush and Patrick Peterson back in form. Harrison Smith( Ted whiff) is at a Pro Bowl level. They are the best team in the Division. Players, not Plays...

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pacman's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:42 am

Al - what say you about the coaching? Or was most of the article pointing out coaching issues just not using their names?

I'm sticking with my "it's MLF" mantra. We don't know the insdie workings between MLF and AR or anyone else. But the team is a mess of unpreparedness and being out of sync. And AR's dramatic drop off in play is not making up for that this year.

Though, I do agree with you on the Bahk play. It was different and if not for the bad throw, it would have looked easy.

This fall has just been to fast and totally unexpected by EVERYBODY. It is just sinking in now. It will take time for everyone to mourn a bit. Then we will reflect back at the last 30 years of perennial fortune.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:56 am

It is, primarily, MLF. His handling of this team and roster has been beyond inept in all facets. It’s just not only him. He is a symptom of the higher problem that also created this roster, but he’s made it much much worse through his coaching deficiencies. Just as he probably held us back when we had good rosters.

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PackerGravy's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:52 am

They WILL upset the Cowboys Sunday

Still won't make the playoffs

Going to be a VERY interesting offseason

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Packerpasty's picture

November 09, 2022 at 06:01 pm

for some reason I've said the same thing...they are going to win Sunday...stupid prediction maybe but I feel it..

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:13 am

Rodgers is, unfortunately for him, the highest profile piece on a team with a roster that doesn’t fit him and a Head Coach whose regime is broken and who is tactically inadequate. He’s just one piece of a dysfunctional team in an organization that is badly led. This roster and the Rodgers extension made no sense in winter. LaFleurs handling of the summer, his coaching hires and his O design were disasters.

Rodgers seems now to have taken on himself to fix that, just as he did in the last 2 championship games in the second half. It’s not working as it didn’t then. Part of that is that he is still fighting the roster. Between him and LaFleur neither seem to be able to distill what is working successfully. Both try to impose differing visions and both come unstuck. In other words neither can get help from the other consistently or use talent and what’s there effectively on a regular basis. It’s just broken. I think last week we saw Rodgers finally drop the remaining pretense of input from LaFleur.

I’m not sure if LaFleur will ever be a head coach on merit. Rodgers is no longer quite as good and has much less around him. It’s just a marriage that should never have been extended. At some point we just have to accept that and realize it’s not the only issue, just a very visible one.

Without apportioning blame, this Union if Rodgers ant this roster and cap situation never made sense. LaFleur has never really added leadership or tactical advantage. Thus season has exposed the extent of his management deficiencies but also his player handling and tactical failings aren’t covered by a good offensive roster.

We are seeing the coming together of a number of issues that together have caused a collapse. The signs if all of them have been out there before, except perhaps a Rodgers physical decline, though there were some indications last year I believed. The decision to graft him back on to a roster bereft of skill players—Lazard is a very good number 3 WR to your other point—just created a situation in which all of them became more visible and each magnified the others.

This is not on Rodgers primarily. Had we played like last week, his way, we’d have won more games/looked better I suspect. He handicaps himself with his attitudes to players and risk making him averse to taking lower risk options to those he doesn’t trust and sometimes ignoring half his options completely. His way would not have won us many more though, because there is too much wrong from the top down that’s now percolated through to the field.

This is the season that shouldn’t have happened if the Packers had consistent leadership direction and did not just listen to their own hype. The fact that Murphy extended the troika this off season and also pushed Rodgers return just indicates how divorced and deluded he had become. When your leader is that cocooned from reality, it eventually leads to the nonsensical and contradictory. That’s where we are. Time for a thorough cleanse and until we face that, don’t expect much better.

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Razer's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:44 am

Well said Coldworld. Unfortunately, what you outline means that the Packers have ignored a truth that has been brewing for some time. I think that Davante Adams knew the score and looked for a better place (he got some bad advice). I don't know who has the strength of leadership in this organization to make the tough calls that are needed.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:59 am

The flaw in the organization came about when the President became part of the football decision making. That was always going to be a major issue at some point because it means there is no full time executive not part of the problem, should one arise. There is no Harlen who can look down untarnished and act to set things straight with some impartiality.

When Murphy changed the structure he effectively should have stepped down and become GM as the role was was under TT. The alternative placed the emphasis on the Executive Committee of the Board, a group whom Murphy had effectively controlled nominations to for years and who are not football types, not well known and dependent on him for their positions. That was what Harlen sought to prevent. Sadly it didn’t make it into the articles to prevent it being undone it seems.

Given that, I share your doubts as to where the will and spine to address this situation will come from.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:23 pm

Yep... The thing that pisses me off the most is I find it difficult to find a way out of this as long as he's in charge. Not even sure who, if anyone has the authority to fire his dumb A$$...

It seems he's set it up so it would be difficult.

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T7Steve's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:48 am

Along with AL, another good one CW.

Too bad we're all preaching to the choir. All these problems have been evident to us all year (or since the last playoff game). Is the organization ignoring these on purpose? Just trying to drag this out for another paycheck?

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:46 am

If a tree falls in the woods with no one around, does it make a sound? That is an ancient philosophical conundrum that comes to mind in here. Generally here we assume no one (who matters) cares what we write (they don’t), but is that an argument to therefore say nothing? I would say no. Echoes are sometimes picked up and can reach the right ears eventually. Who knows, sometimes enough background noise can reach the foreground: if enough trees fall it becomes impossible to miss.

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T7Steve's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:19 am

You're the Shakespeare of CHTV. Leatherhead's the Rodney Dangerfield with his "this season it has diarrhea and couldn't score in a women's prison with a handful of pardons." type jokes.

If the FO doesn't pay attention to posts like these it's no wonder, we're where we're at 9-games into the season.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:55 am

"Rodgers is, unfortunately for him, the highest profile piece on a team with a roster that doesn’t fit him "

This brings me back to a tweet that Tom Oates put out yesterday. And its telling. This is Oatsey's tweet.

No question Aaron Rodgers is showing his age. But in 2012, his WRs were Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Greg Jennings & Donald Driver. #Packers' current WR1 - Allen Lazard - wouldn't have even made this team. A front office needs to give an aging QB more help, not less.

I couldn't agree more with Oatsey!

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:12 am

Agreed. I think the debate is who thought that was unimportant and caused us to develop a roster and enter cap commitments over 2 or 3 years that obviously did not suit Rodgers and then graft him on at great future expense?

I think the clue is in plain sight. Murphy referred to a last dance in 2020, implying the future was post Rodgers. He referred to being able to have a last, last dance in 2021. Somehow Murphy thought he could do it again in 2022 despite the cap being used up and the loss of players and the evolution of the roster done in large part to enable the prior runs and to be ready for the hangover this year. I hoped Rodgers would see through that pipe dream and save us from ourselves.

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:52 pm

I wonder if Rodgers made a deal with the devil to extract his pound of flesh for not being properly supported nor compensated over a lengthy period.

Guaranteed money paid retroactively for services rendered.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:08 pm

I think he’d have done just as well financially in Denver.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:29 pm

You can refinance Rodgers, but not Bhak and A.Jones at the same time. That is on Murphy. Gutedkunst just throwing darts at a cork lined wall, will not hit any targets that make your team better and you will not have to draft for the same need again, the next year. Too many misses to keep the engine tuned.

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Rarescope's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:32 pm

"LaFleurs handling of the summer, his coaching hires and his O design were disasters."

Hey now, I agree with everything you said but have we lost faith in Bisaccia now too? My favorite day dream has now become an organizational rebuild with him as the new head coach.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:43 pm

No, I regard Bissacia as something of an island unto himself and not beholden to LaFleur like the others. He would seem like an obvious interim candidate. He may yet become that.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:44 am

Truth or Dare -
Who doesn't love a good game of truth or dare. Except when the opposing team which has the worst defense in the league is daring you to do something you simply can't do it. I will say this though. The Lions really didn't do anything to stop the Packers. Packers moved the ball fairly easily. It just happened to be Rodgers worst performance. The Lions DB did make a hell of a play on the deep shot to Toure.

Seattle Season, -
This season definitely feels like that game. Its like in that game we found ways to lose it and didn't find ways to win it. This season has been the same way.

Polluted Take -
The Vikings are 7-1 because they are finding ways to win games and not lose them. Packers are 3-6 because they are finding ways to lose games and not win them. Its that simple. Oh and the Vikings have actual threats at WR.

Insanity -
Well lets be honest. The results earlier in the game probably dictated why they called the plays they did.

Watkins -
I would rather see Toure out there then Watkins. I would rather see them promote Winfree then to see Watkins out there. He just looks like he is going through the motion.

#FreeWinfrey -
Yes. I expect Winfree to be elevated and to take Doubs spot when he goes on IR. I really like Winfree and he could be a guy to really help out. Rodgers likes him. I want Winfree over Watkins!

Penalties -
This is the 2nd game in a row that a WR ran over a DB and got a foul on the DB. The Enegbare penalty was just unfortunate. Luckily Alexander intercepted the pass after otherwise that would have hurt them too.

Love Lazard, but... -
Lazard is not a true number 1 and he is fighting a shoulder injury. He made some really good plays. The deep throw on 4th down he made a tremendous play on it, and unfortunately the ball hit the ground. Something I wish they would do as an offense, is when a ball potentially hits the ground, have a call to hurry up and get a play ran.

Bakhtiari Eligible -
People bitch about everything. The play design worked. Rodgers just made a bad through. Which how much is his thumb the culprit?

Goal Line TEs -
I brought this up the other day. Why are they not using the TE's more in the redzone. They are some of the biggest targets. they need to start finding ways to get them the ball down in the goal line area. Lewis should be a redzone machine!

Hurry up and Wait -
How much of this is to having the WR corps they have. And perhaps some of it is the players they wanted to have weren't on the field. No Doubs, No Watson. Playing with caption complacent (Toure) and Watkins who looks clueless, isn't helping. They should be able to do some simple things in hurry up.

SMH -
I get it. it sucks. But can people tell us what the play was called, what the route was and if that player ran the route they were suppose to run? I'm not excusing Rodgers for missing WR's. BUT, without knowing what is really going on, its pretty easy to blame everything on Rodgers. Just look at Watkins the last few games. Rodgers expects Watkins to go one way, he goes the other. Well on the open plays downfield how many of those WR's are not at where they are supposed to be?

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:35 am

“Well on the open plays downfield how many of those WR's are not at where they are supposed to be?”

If it’s not a quick throw, and those downfield plays usually aren’t, that is where Rodgers used to excel and still does. Both Jones’s TD in the air and Toure’s first TD were examples of plays where the catcher read the field and broke route (Jones) or extended it and settled into space (Toure).

In both cases great throws. That shows Rodgers can do it and suggests that what is required is a return to post snap decisions not preset location throws based on on scanning the D pre snap. Again, part of the problem appears to be mental inflexibility and Rodgers seems to have that issue just as much as LaFleur.

I’d hoped Clements might help with these type of things. Rodgers could help himself considerably if he had and accepted good guidance. The sad fact is that even in the absence if that, I suspect he’s the source of all the ambition we do see. He’s at least willing to push the ball, even if it typically takes a route break down/extended play to give him the opportunity. Too often I see a guy forcing it to break LaFleurs’ stultifying caution.

I really do believe that almost any other coach (interim) would have been better for Rodgers had we moved in time. LaFleur and Rodgers has just proved a more is less pairing for at least 3 seasons.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:43 am

"Which how much is his thumb the culprit?"

If injured thumb is that big issue, why not bench ACR till his thumb is healthy?

But, I rather ask: Which how much is Father time the culprit?

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croatpackfan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:43 am

Duplicate

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Johnblood27's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:18 am

T or D - defenses manipulate AR into plays because they know what Ar will 'see' and then do. Just Execute the play. sometimes that is the best option. challenge your players to win their match-ups and EXECUTE. Not be-cute, EXECUTE1

Seattle Season - look not at what is most recent, look for root causes...

Al, your polluted take is a great rationale to bench Rodgers and play Love... but now with a depleted OL and Wr among the other injuries, what will the reasonable expectations be? poor results may not be on loves performance and does GB have the coaching smarts to separate the two? Probably not.

Insanity = ACR unilateral football.

Watkins really NEEDS to be cut right now. he had his chances to resurrect his career, he has chosen not to. His lack of effort both on and off the field is obvious to all, fans and coaches alike. It Is Time!

I do not agree with the tackle eligible play call. when things are going ok, that displays creativity, when things are going as they are currently for the gbp it smacks of desperation born from incompetence. Again - EXECUTE not be-cute. proper execution needs to be demanded of the players on the field, I dont think this coaching staff is lighting any fires under asses.

Advocating for more use of the gb te is akin to advocating for more chances at returner for Amari. The spark just isnt there. this crop of TE is actually a crap of te. there are no threats to create separation from whichever defensive positional player is assigned to cover them. They are not weapons and cannot be suddenly trotted out there to be used as such, a couple of them at least attempt to block successfully.

Hurry up! ACR always has to be the smartest guy in the room, however he still hasnt figured out that a hurry up mode is meant to put pressure on the defense, not just to create some relief from the bad breath of your teammates in a huddle. Call a play - EXECUTE that play. Hustle to the line - REPEAT. That is a hurry up. Over-diagnosing what the defense is doing lets the defense call your plays for you. That is what is happening to the gbp with all of acr's histrionics at the LOS. The OL are the ones most left out to dry in these situations and this current line needs every advantage it can get. The telegraphing of plays and aCR being led around by the nose by the defense's movements is killing this team.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:38 am

What I got from that call was that Rodgers knew it had to be a dolly for Bakh to catch it. If I’m right that’s the reason for the soft lob of a throw and would take a play I would otherwise defend into the realm of poor decision making.

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canadapacker's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:52 am

You are 100 % correct and he underthrew the lob. If you look at the play where Lewis caught the pass at about the 5 yard line or so - Lewis had to go up for the ball because AR had to throw it over the Dlineman who had his hands up. Bak could never of jumped for the ball, Good call bad execution by AR.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:23 am

from the sinking ship department...

Aaron Rodgers' message after his performance against the Lions: 'I'm still the reigning, defending two-time MVP'

Doesn't this sound a LOT like McCarthy saying he is a highly successful Head Football Coach?

Just precious on the week of McCarthy's return to Green Bay.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:25 am

and, this just in...

Packers president Mark Murphy: We are not ready to give up on the season

...sounds a lot like the Titanic's Captain saying the ship is fine.

...or the Monty Python Black Knight saying "It's only a scratch!"

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:13 am

“Arthur shrugs his shoulders and, with a mighty swing, removes the Black Knight's last limb. The Knight falls to the ground. He looks around, realizing that he can't move:

Arthur: Okay, we'll call it a draw. Come, Pasty! (they "ride" away)

Black Knight: (calling after them)

Oh! Had enough, eh? Come back and take what's coming to you, you yellow bastards!! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!”

The Black Knight brings to mind Rodgers expressions in the last game and all too acutely symbolizes our offensive threat.

Appreciate the humor in the midst of this discussion and the trigger to recall perhaps the best ever comedic reduction of futile obduracy and personal cost in the face of a totally lost cause. Thumbs up.

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:16 am

Look a little deeper...Take a long, hard look @ your FO power structure-the status quo is the most important thing to them.

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Rebecca's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:21 pm

Yes and the Packers have a 20,000 year wait for season tickets and Lambeau is always full. The $$$ keeps flowing regardless of losing or winning. The organization is garbage at the moment.

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Booner's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:31 am

Here comes a top 5 pick in the draft with an idiot making the pick. let's go out and sign Jimmy Graham again! We have a goon for a GM!

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beautiful_mystery's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:40 am

If #12 is indeed the smartest person in the room, what size is the room and anybody else present? It's like saying I am the smartest person on CHTV's sounding board.

Wait, not a good example....... :)

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:17 am

Look a little deeper for the 'smartest' person in the room. It's not Rodgers and it's not you.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:33 am

Ya think, fangirl. Thank goodness I still have my looks and hot body. When they go, and they will....I got nothing...and I mean...nothing. ;)

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Rarescope's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:05 pm

Oh come now Burpy buddy, since when has charm and a sharp wit counted for nothing?

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beautiful_mystery's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:01 pm

Since I got slapped at your family reunion. ;)

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Rarescope's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:42 pm

You know I'd have gotten slapped if I said that about your mom - you were asking for it at that one!

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beautiful_mystery's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:46 pm

Okay Rare, I understand...parents are off limits regarding jokes. Do you have a sister? Is she single? She doesn't have to be hot, just hoping she was adopted.

"Hi, l'm Pantz, your Rare's sister huh? Please, allow my lipz to say what my sTuMbLing words cannot".......

(that is where & when the precise moment, the slap occurred)

Have a good nite soon to be bro-in-law. :)

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:41 am

There is plenty of blame to go around, but like any organization it starts and stops at the top. Let's get real, there is no salvaging this season and we're only 9 games in. If you want to get real, we have to admit that even if Aaron Rodgers were to miraculously start playing like an MVP again, this roster and coaching staff are not good enough to save the season.

Unfortunately, we can't just forfeit the rest of the year. We have to show up and play the games, yet with the team as broken as it is, what tact should the Packers take? Should we take a serious look at our young and up and coming players who will definitely be on the roster next season or do we stick with the Status Quo?

I think our biggest obstacle is our organizational structure. We don't have an owner to lay down the law and set a new direction for the organization, or a obvious course to rid ourselves of poor management. Poor management is the root of all our current problems. I see no easy way out. How do we rid ourselves of a ludicrous organizational structure instituted by the very individual we need to replace?

Cw pointed out that MaLF actually brings very little to the table as a HC and I would have to agree with him. The only play they had Sunday that was even remotely innovative was a tackle eligible play which was wide-open and our HOF - 4 Time MVP left the throw 4 or 5 yards short for an INT in the endzone.

Yes - Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong... (Murphy's Law)

Hey, I have an idea, let's just get rid of Murphy and his %'in Law...

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:20 am

The obedient, docile GB fans can do something about your president &' board'

A little less beer drinking and blaming Rodgers and a little more clear thinking/action.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:58 pm

How dare you come here and call people docile as you're literally mesmerised by Rodgers' spell of bullshit. At least you picked the right handle for yourself. You already admitted you're not even a Packer fan so why are you even here? Why dont you go join Captain Buttcleanser's bookclub?

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:27 pm

Rodgers, whether, you like it or not is a generational talent. He has carried GB for years and most of the nation knows this. The national media, many of whom turned on Rodgers during the 'vaxx' situation are back on board with him and comment daily about the ineptness of the GB power structure/coaching. No one but some of the willful GB fans are blaming him for this mess. It is GB that is taking a hit nationally.

I am here because I care about Rodgers and don't appreciate the attacks on someone who has carried this team for years. Yes, I've been angry with his self-mythologizing and his
apparent need for attention, but it does not take away the fact that he is a talented QB.

And, because I am not a GB fan, I am not blinded by loyalty. I see corruption at the top of your organization and am alerting you, that is all.

Whether you want to believe it or not, that is what is poisoning your team.
Rodgers and Adams just masked it for years

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barutanseijin's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:26 pm

He used to be good, if somewhat overrated. He’s not even good anymore.

Were i a Rodgers fan, i’d want him to go out with dignity. Unfortunately, he can’t seem to see himself as he is. He needs that self awareness to play well at this stage of his career. It’s his greatest flaw and will make his exit painful.

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:01 pm

Fans have the ability to make changes.

It would be a bit messy but corrupt power structures have been 'outed' many times by brave souls

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:19 am

Hmmmm....no take on the running game near the goal line?

First and goal on the one...Handoff to quadzilla thighs, results in no gain.
3rd and goal again, at the one, handoff to quadzilla thighs, for a 1/2 yard loss.
No mentions?
I'm guessing we don't want to talk about Dillon, especially compared to what Jamaal Williams is doing with Detroit.
Lets just admire pictures of a guys huge thighs, and salivate.
No need to truck anyone over for a one yard rushing TD, like Lacy could do.
Lets just call it....... Rodgers fault.

Polluted Take....Someone acting like they are in Green Bay watching and listening, to know that Rodgers and MLF aren't on the same page.
Maybe MLF makes calls to Packer writers and tells them that inside information...idk.
I love it when people talk like they are there, or have 1st hand knowledge....when they are just assuming to fit their narrative.

Insanity....Complaining that 95% of the failures on this team are Rodgers fault.

Never mentioning Team Murphy/Gute's silly, stupid drafting miscues, free agent signings, Z. Smith miscue, carrying 20 million in dead money, pushing money down the road through annual contract renegotiations.
inadequate roster management, bad strategic team planning.

If you plan on moving on from Rodgers, so much so that instead of helping the team on the cusp of a SB appearance, they instead invest a 1st and 4th round pick, to .....sit on the bench for years.
Then how about, grow a backbone and do it
Rodgers asked to be traded in 2020....that was the Packers perfect OUT.
And then what? They declined? They missed the train, the Golden Goose
The Packers could have reaped massive draft assets from the 49ers, and almost eliminated their salary cap issues.
So 2 short years later... Packer management scraps all Jordan Love plans and decide they want to pay Rodgers 150 million guaranteed.
Chasing former bad decisions, with new bad decisions, further burying this team into the ground.
Most think that's Rodgers fault...lol
If someone offered you a guaranteed 150 million a year...are you saying no?
I didn't think so.

My point being....Rodgers doesn't run the team, Rodgers doesn't run the draft, Rodgers doesn't build the roster, Rodgers doesn't sign free agents, Rodgers doesn't make sure he has enough talent in the receiver room. Rodgers doesn't run the Green Bay Packers.

But everything about this team is Rodgers fault. Murphy and Gute are never, or barely ever mentioned...they get a pass, and Gute gets a 5 year extension.

At what point....does upper management bear any responsibility at all for the state of this team?

I know...i know...that isn't "Carrying The G"...like a blind man.

Give Rodgers a #1, or even a real #2 receiver, maybe even a real tight end, like other winning teams have... and see what happens.

No Lazard isn't even a real #2....remember back when we wondered who was #2 between him and Allison....neither could even play well enough to be our #2...but somehow...laughingly.
After Adams left, Lazard was the big hope to fill the #1 receiver spot. After...he couldn't win the #2 spot....
That's...insanity.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:15 am

"My point being....Rodgers doesn't run the team, Rodgers doesn't run the draft, Rodgers doesn't build the roster, Rodgers doesn't sign free agents, Rodgers doesn't make sure he has enough talent in the receiver room. Rodgers doesn't run the Green Bay Packers."

Are you sure 100%?

Everything points out that ACR run the team. Why should otherwise inept GM, HC, DC got fat extension fully guaranted after 2 almost unbelivable post season crashes? They are paid to please ACR. Indication 1 - First round draft used to beef defense. Indication 2 - Second round draft used to pick very fast WR (injured) highly praised from ACR even nobody saw him in TC or preseason games (because of injury). Indication 3 - first snap in the season used by ACR was long shot to round 2 selection (not successful). Indication 4 - not using 2 RB that are true stars of the offense. Indication 5 - avoiding open receivers from ACR for forcing the ball to his preffered targets. Indication 6 - his participation at game plan preparing meetings. Indication 7 - ignoring Toure in the first 5 games, kept him inactive, while elevating Winfree 3 times. Indication 8 - spitting on everyone on the team (not coaches) for lack of execution and low energie. Indication 9 - stating that he will not be on the team while rebuilding, and then accepting the contract to be on the team for that (not guilty for the size of contract). Indication 10 - changing the plays called by his HC, and justify the decision by the HC (who clearly stating that all those calls was made by him (HC)).

You want more?

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:55 am

croatpackfan

November 09, 2022 at 11:15 am

"My point being....Rodgers doesn't run the team, Rodgers doesn't run the draft, Rodgers doesn't build the roster, Rodgers doesn't sign free agents, Rodgers doesn't make sure he has enough talent in the receiver room. Rodgers doesn't run the Green Bay Packers."

Are you sure 100%?
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I'm pretty sure....maybe 9.9999999%.
But i'll tell you what......one thing i'm 100% sure about.

IF I'M WRONG.......IF I'M WRONG
Then Murphy and Gute should be walked out of the building immediately for dereliction of duty.
That...i'm 100% sure about.

If Murphy and Gute are that weak, they don't have enough backbone to do their own job, they need to be dismissed immediately.

So let me ask you croatpackfan...does Rodgers run the draft?
Does Rodgers build the roster?
Does Rodgers make sure there is enough talent in the receiver room?

I ask those 3 questions rhetorically because, those questions are ludicrous on their face.

I'll go one further croatpackfan , if Rodgers built the roster, made sure their was receiver talent this team.....They would have a top 3-5 passing offense. Period.

Here's another nugget...if Rodgers ran the draft...they most likely wouldn't have their top pick sitting on the bench most every game.
Plus, he probably wouldn't have traded up for and drafted a receiver at #34 who only has 10 catches on the year for 88 yards.

Maybe that why he got 150 million guaranteed croatpackfan.....
Because he has 3 jobs 🙄...idk
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To your last question................"You want more?"

LOL...NOOOOOO!!!! I don't want more of your inane ramblings, you have enough on your plate explaining to me why Rodgers is doing Gutes, and Murphy's job.

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:12 pm

Wrong bad guy-look a little closer at your President who answers to no one.

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Since'75's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:42 pm

If i wanted to lose brain cells, i'd want more.

WOW.....😮

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:43 am

Coldworld and several others have outlined the root of the problem w/the Packers.

The current FO power structure will protect the status quo which is what is failing the team; inadequate coaches will remain protected, players will reflect the ineptitude, etc.

It's more satisfying to lynch Rodgers than take an an objective look @ the real problem, which is MM and his 'board.'
I'll be interested to observe how long it takes for the real work to begin to address this faulty system. My guess is nothing of consequence will be undertaken and MM will sit pretty until 2025. GB fans seem very docile and resigned to this reality.

Just imagine if someone in GB had the courage to expose the truth to publications outside of sleepy GB.

I don't expect the timid local media to take on the 'king' but a courageous 'someone(s) needs to step up and air this dirty laundry outside of GB. It could be undertaken anonymously, but it needs to go wider.

I am an outsider, from the Bay Area, and not really a GB fan, more of a Rodgers fan, but I can tell you I am stunned to have learned
what I have learned about MM and the current FO power structure. I thought GB was a squeaky clean,'folksy', community-owned ,
well-run organization. It's more like the Mafia and someone needs to talk about it. When a president (non-owner) answers to no one in authority, you have a problem, and GB has a huge problem.

My God.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:58 am

Harlen was right. The President of the Packers must be a person divorced from everyday football decision making and thus not part of failures. The head of all things football should be the only report to the President from that side. That allows the President to preside effectively and keeps Board scrutiny focused and not conflicted. TT was never a board member, rightly.

That was true under TT. He was the apex of Football success or failure. The Head Coach and Contracts as well as the scouting/evaluation personnel all reported to him. That changed when Murphy became TT as well as President.

That crossing of the line broke the chain of executive responsibility and scrutiny. It also made the person responsible for nominating executive board appointees the same person as the final football decision maker. It broke the very necessary checks and balances necessary to ensure perspective and scrutiny.

It should not have been permitted. That it was shows either a lack of judgement by the directors or improper and invalidating attention or subservience to Murphy. In either case, all are culpable and the problem needs to be fixed and then prevented by amending the articles of the corporation.

It is a classic type of governance dilution one sees in dysfunctional organizations. We are all impartial until we are partial, and we all need some checks and balances. Particularly so here, where the shareholders are not one by design. I think a Harlen type might also have kept us a little more focused on what other teams are doing rather than falling into the trap of just believing we are good because we tell ourselves we are. My impression is that we lost external perspective increasingly.

The best source of change in this situation is peer disapproval reaching the country clubs, court houses and board rooms which our directors frequent. It’s amazing how galvanizing it can be to be reprimanded for allowing an institution to get into a mess that is widely seen by those further from it than you percolating into your personal domains. Local and other media are a big part of this. If they wake up, the questions are everywhere, but peers are just as powerful and often less frightened to voice things.

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:25 pm

CW: Completely agree with your assessment but it seems much of the GB citizenry are not able to look beyond their hatred of Rodgers
to see clearly. Many are not grasping what is entailed in corrupt power structures and how they poison teams, corporations, etc.

Unfortunately, I am not certain the country club set has a clear understanding of what is ailing the Packers, either.

I hope they care, though.

I'm still hoping for a well-researched article playing in a larger publication to a wider audience.

It took 2 brave young women to break the Weinstein case

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:00 pm

Never underestimate the attraction of the simple solution. It’s much easier to run one person out of town than think it through and it’s much less disturbing if a neat solution can be to just get rid of one person and all will be well. That’s good: it makes it fixable and a return to sunshine and roses beckons.

The problem is that it’s not one person here. It’s not Barry, Rodgers even LaFleur, in isolation. It’s all of them and they in turn are here because they are symptoms, either hired as such or allowed to survive or to become such. That’s bad because there’s no easy answer, not least because of the mess Murphy had made of the organizational structure. He’s the start and he’s the main culprit since all the others seem directly from actions by him and required his approval. He’s got no boss. That is also his doing and the root of all ills.

For many , that sort of idea isn’t something that they are used to looking at. It’s football not corporate governance they come here for. It’s also not reassuring. It doesn’t offer an easy way out. However, Midwesterners can take a time to galvanize but once they do they are pretty hard to hold back. One can put one’s point of view out there, start the discussion and let it fly or die from there. That’s all one can do. In the end, arguments have to develop wings of their own and take flight if they are to influence.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 04:39 pm

Translation....

Green Bay Packers....

BROKEN

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Oppy's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:01 pm

i hope you realize if the 'corrupt power' (Murphy) wasn't involved in football decisions, the Packers probably would have sent Rodgers packing end of season 2018, and if not then, certainly would have traded him away this prior off season.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:53 am

They should watch the ALL 22, before they shoot off their yaps.

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fthisJack's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:05 am

Bench Rodgers and let Love play...can't be any worse IMO. If Rodgers is really a team guy, he'll accept it like a man. If not maybe he'll retire or ask for a trade(but who would trade for him at this point) or pout. He really needs a reality check.

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 04:41 pm

They should change the name of this site to "BashingRodgersTV"

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Oppy's picture

November 09, 2022 at 08:15 pm

You should change your name to "please stop saying unpleasant things about my hero"

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Since'75's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:35 pm

I know, i know...it's hard to have a sense of humor.

I have no problem talking about Rodgers shortcomings.. a lot of low passes, off passes, bad body language...i get it, no problem....
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But i also deal in reality, i've been a fan long enough, i've understood this game long enough...to be able to look at this team in totality and see it's shortcomings.
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But don't pretend he's 90% of the problem. That is for the simple minded football fan.
Rodgers didn't have back to back MVP's then all of a sudden...forget how to QB.
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The BashingRodgersTV was tongue in cheek.

I apologize if it made anyone sad or angry.

Don't take my word for it. Lets try this, it's never to late to learn...from somebody that most everyone respects, and...has been there, done that.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z24xipRE_I

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splitpea1's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:10 am

The "Polluted Take" also applies to the Seattle season: The Seahawks are atop their division because Geno Smith doesn't have too big of an ego to run what his coaches want him to via wristband. And he's completing over 73% of his passes with 15 TDs and only 4 INTs.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 12:08 pm

I loathe their coach, so it’s particularly galling to see what he’d done with that group and then look at ours.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 09, 2022 at 01:01 pm

Pete Carroll and John Schneider had the balls and the confidence in themselves to move on without the superstar. And now they're being rewarded handsomely. Im jealous.

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Packers1985's picture

November 09, 2022 at 02:20 pm

It all comes to the coaching. It doesn't matter if we have Rodgers or Love if the ppl around them are not coached well or clueless this is bound to happen and we wont be winning many games like that. Just look at the mess that was elaborated by Kurt Warner this last game.

https://youtu.be/0z24xipRE_I

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JerseyAl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 04:19 pm

Thanks for that link. Some eye-opening stuff in there. Confirmation that Watkins doesn't know what to do and can't get away from press man if his life depended on it. Also, why are our receivers on the ground do much?

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Packers1985's picture

November 09, 2022 at 06:08 pm

May be it has something to do with turf. As a result too many ankle injuries Acl's and receivers falling down etc etc.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:27 pm

Has the turf there changed? We’ve played in the old surface many times without a similar injury toll.

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Packers1985's picture

November 09, 2022 at 10:31 pm

I dont think it changed from the last time we played. I dont have any other answer than blaming the turf for how often the receivers fell running routes this game .

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 09, 2022 at 04:58 pm

So all I heard Kurt say was SAMMY REALLY SUCKS... Period. SMH

Also, poor pass play design.

Also, Rodgers has no idea what his WRs are going to do, especially when they're jammed and he has pressure in his face.

Imagine that...

Still, he did have some terrible throws too.

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Packers1985's picture

November 09, 2022 at 06:22 pm

Agreed Rodgers isn't playing to his usual self( lot of poor throws compared to previous years) but i guess part of the problem is definitely he looked more confused and hesitant on the field because he doesn't know what our receivers are going to do next. Similarly like 2018 where we had issues with interior oline we have something similar this yr too. Even that yr he played incredibly uneasy and thrown the passes alot under or over thrown. I see similar pattern this yr too and did brought this up in one of the posts 4 weeks ago.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:09 pm

"The Vikings are 7-1 because their quarterback doesn't have too big of an ego to run his coach's offense the way his coach would like it to be run."

Spot on! Why we love Jersey Al! He tells it like it is!

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Since'75's picture

November 09, 2022 at 04:56 pm

Yep...it's just Rodgers ego, i don't see any other problems. This team could have gone undefeated, except for that damn Rodgers guy.
He won't follow LeFleurs program, like he did the last 3 years in going 13-3 when Rodgers followed MLF's game plan.
The ego on him this season!!

I'm starting to hate Rodgers to the point where it's an obsession.
He's destroying the Green Bay Packers all by himself.
Pretty soon all the real estate values will plummet because of him.
Now i'm really feeling like i'm starting to fit in here. 😎

We should start a petition to remove Rodgers before it gets any worse. i'll write it up, but i need to know how we know what Rodgers isn't running, that LeFleur wants to run.
Anyone know the details?
Are Rodgers and LeFleur fighting, maybe throwing hands...i need details.
If i write a petition, i have to sound like i know what i'm talking about.
Or they'll think i'm just some backwoods simple minded hick from a website forum.

Keep in touch.

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Packerpasty's picture

November 09, 2022 at 05:55 pm

excellent!! you forgot...he's arrogant!! (like most superstars), his hair must bug you, and his girlfriend!! So what that he carried the team and made MLF look , he's a cancer,BENCH HIM!!

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barutanseijin's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:46 pm

Imagine people criticizing Rodgers when he's having such a great season and after all those Super Bowl rings. Always such a great guy and a real class act, too. The nerve!

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dobber's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:16 pm

Packers make a roster move and claim Jonathan Abram off waivers.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/11/packers-claim-s-johnathan-abram

Former first round pick--seems like a shrewd call given the lack of long-term S depth.

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LeotisHarris's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:29 pm

Agreed, sure couldn't hurt.

Two years ago this news would be followed by a string of "love Gutey, always churning the bottom of the roster...no stone unturned" type posts. Those sentiments seem to have dissipated.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:32 pm

He’s a liability in deeper coverage. He’s Pettine’s hybrid. An archetypal box S. Hits hard, seeks contact. Covers like a cover ILB. Not sure how Barry can use that. Maybe if we genetically splice him and Savage?

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beautiful_mystery's picture

November 09, 2022 at 03:34 pm

Well, if I was blessed with God-given talent and not over come by gravity's 9.8 meters per second (squared) pull and actually worked at my craft and just kept grinding...well, the mad lad Gutester just may draft me in the 7th round like Double D. I would immediately take my practice jersey in to get altered with "He Hate Me" on the back. #12 would eventually love me, he would have no choice in the matter...I would be that good. Hell yeahhh

Ahhh, dreams.........

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fangirl's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:05 pm

I've told you guys that I'm a Rodgers fan and I want him traded too, like now!

I typed in 'which teams would want Rodgers?"

Wow, There were fans from the Titans, San Fran, the Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Steelers, Colts, just to name a few, who were fighting over him. I'm partial to SF-they are loaded and Rodgers is an extreme upgrade from Jimmy G. I love the sound of "Rodgers to Deebo", "Rodgers to McCaffery", "Rodgers to Kittle", "Rodgers to Aiyuk".

Let's get it done! Someone said they would start a petition.

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Coldworld's picture

November 09, 2022 at 07:34 pm

We can’t trade him till after June 1, so plenty of time. Unless he voluntarily reworked his deal …

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marcrjackson's picture

November 09, 2022 at 09:41 pm

you have said it all!!

You are almost as old as me and remember the dark times. It is time to take a chance on young talent.

this season is almost gone unless we shake it up.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 09, 2022 at 11:23 pm

Here's a secret, but don't tell anyone:

This season is gone even if we shake it up.

The only thing we can do from here on out is evaluate young talent and hurt our draft position.

Period.

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