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#1. Benching Rodgers is just insanity. You paid him. Got to play him. You want to see what Love can do?? The coaching staff already knows it in practice. Love will be released soon. Cap savings or not. The smart play is to redraft QB this draft.
#2. Where does Runyan play? ( If you move Jenkins back to LG.) Yes, Humphrey was the better center. But it was the Ohio State connection.
#3. No -You don’t bench Walker. Sub Wilson.
#4. Giving up on Stokes is ridicules.
#5. Savage will be replacing Amos. Gutey will keep him.
Winfree should be cut. Toure ! Toure ! Toure! Is the key to the slot!

Bench? I don't know. Rotate a bunch I can go with. Give Toure an extended try. Winfree has had his chances.

Even though I've been trashing the hell out of Rodgers all season and actually agree a benching wouldn't be the worst thing, I like #2 the best. But...

While benching Newman has become a MUST DO type thing and has been for weeks, Sean Ryhan isn't the answer. I mean this guy has been one of the biggest 3rd round disappointments of Gutes long history of 3rd round busts. I'm holding out hope but Ryhan ISN'T the answer. Move Jenkins inside to Guard, I don't care which side, and Yosh Nijman to RT. No matter what the result, it CAN'T be worse than watching Newman getting walked back in Rodgers's lap, or having his man blowup Aaron Jones or Dillon 5 yards behind the LOS.

Sorry, I don't agree with benching Walker or Stokes. Savage is a thought but I'd try to move him closer to the LOS and KEEP him there like they did at the end of the 2020 season and his production skyrocketed. THAT version of Savage is the one everybody has been waiting for, Problem is they REFUSE to use him that way again.

I'd replace #3, 4, and 5, with firing Joe Barry. Look, the guy has FAILED as a DC. He's a Linebackers coach. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, I know Jerry Gray is the secondary coach and they can't seem to defend a crossing pattern, but I think he'd do a MUCH better job, including knowing how in the hell to use Quay Walker.

"Because the Packers are broken in just about every aspect. Because by their own admission, the people running the show don’t know what to do. And because horrible times demand crazy notions. "
How are the Packers broken in about every aspect?
The OL has struggled. Bakhtiari and Jenkins are working their way back from torn ACL's. Myers has started his 11th game as a pro. He is still a work in progress. Newman has been awful, but lets not forget they started the season with him starting at RT.
The WR's have struggled. Mostly because of injuries they have struggled. Lazard missed the first game, but has been back since. Watson has been in and out from hammy injuries. Watkins has missed 4 games from a hamstring injury. Cobb is now out for who knows how long. They have already brought Winfree up from the PS 3 times.
The Defense has struggled. I think mostly due to play calling and how they were using the players, the defense has struggled. I thought they played really good against the Jets overall. They had a couple of bad plays go against them.

After all of that we need to blow it up with radical ideas?

Radical ideas like benching Rodgers? Huh?

Serious question. Is this about Rodgers on the field or Rodgers off the field? From what I have seen people that dislike the off field Rodgers hate him on field more.

Ok, lets dive into this a little deeper.

First, I would assume you didn't see any of the cut ups that wonderful people have done showing what really is going on. Dusty Evely did a tremendous job on the play that Rodgers fumbled on. The one where Runyan gets turned around and is trying to box out Williams by facing Rodgers and Williams on his back.
Dan Orlavsky and JT O'Sullivan also did great work breaking down what is really going on with the Packers offense, and what Rodgers is talking about simplifying things. They showed how routes are ran poorly, how the OL 4 guys block one way the 5th blocks another. How balls are hitting WRs in the hands and they flat out drop it.

If your plan is to bench Rodgers, then you might as well cut him. And if you are going to Bench Rodgers for whatever reason. You might as well bench every starter on the team.

Need to bench some Cheesehead TV staff is more like it. Benching Rodgers for playing behind a C grade line accomplishes nothing other than killing the one thing that you built your franchise around. Can you bench your coach(s)?

Here's a thought... I just saw the 49ers traded for Christian McCaffrey. They gave up a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in the 2023 draft and an extra 5th in 2024. Whether you think it's worth it or not isn't my point. The 49ers had a chance to go get a guy who will make a difference and did it.

I think Chase Claypool could make a difference. I liked him coming out and was hoping the Packers would have taken either Claypool, Pittman, or Higgens in that 2020 draft. But right now Gute can't think about trading away a PRECIOUS draft pick.

Start with offering a 3rd rounder since Gute couldn't hit on a 3rd round pick and go from there. Gute hasn't hit on a 3rd rounder yet, and a 3rd and a 5th, or even a 3rd and a 4th aren't too much for Claypool. Even if it is WHO CARES! Go get him Gute. Whether Rodgers is here next year or not, he'd be a GREAT addition to the WR room. He's BIG, just like Gute likes and he has pretty good hands. He'd instantly become the #1 in GB and actually give the Packers someone the defense would fear...At least a little...
IT IS TIME!!!

I would Love to see Rodgers benched. I think it would give him time to heal up, and also see where he is out of his mind if he thinks that old hat is gonna fit and trying to force it while losing to inferior teams because his ego can’t let go of the amazing years. Run the ball. Keep running it. Throw a few passes, but yet the ball out quickly. Quit being desperate, and impatient. Quit talking about how words affect things. Let’s see some action. A little life in the legs. Play smarter and leave the hero ball in the past. Also lower all expectations of this team. For now. They are really not that good. It’s like the players we have are being coached to do what a different set of players could accomplish. And if we were coaching the players we have we would be better. Also never put Rasul Douglas in the slot again.

This would send a message...FROM WHO the incompetent coaching staff?? Who will bench MLF when says one more time "we have to get Jones more involved"?? Funny dramatic stuff...im sure the Rodgers haters will love it...bench the guy who's carried this team and it woeful coaching staff's the past many years...

Benching #1: Rodgers. The reason I bench AR is because of his thumb issue. You could see it was an issue last week. If I was going to keep him out, it would have been last week but now I am assuming his thumb has healed more. I highly doubt they bench AR; especially, with the money he is being paid. Also, Love is not going to give us the chance to win games more than AR.

Benching #2: Royce Newman. This guy is horrid. I have been saying this for a while. Move Jenkins back to Guard and put Nijman at RT. Why is ML so against playing Yosh Nijman anyway?

Benching #3: Quay Walker. I like the comment of why he is not blitzing more. Walker is not being used correctly, IMO. They have him playing zone and he obviously is not ready for that. Put him in position to succeed and use his speed and athletic ability.

Benching #4: Eric Stokes. Stokes is a man-to-man CB. They have been playing more zone. This is on Barry. Now has Stokes taken a jump? Maybe not but you do not play zone with a guy like Stokes or Alexander. Use the players strengths and put them in position to succeed.

Benching #5: Darnell Savage. This I agree with. Bench Savage. He is not the guy we thought he was. We need to draft a safety next year. Maybe even two.

Lastly, give Winfree and Toure snaps- Winfree is nothing honestly. He does nothing for me. I would be willing to give Toure some snaps to see what he can do. At least he has some potential. Winfree has been in the league and is a UFA. he not going to get any better.

I get what you are trying to do here but let's also put some of the blame on the coaching staff and the scheme that is being put into play here. This is on everybody not just the players.

I'm not sure that benching anyone is the answer.
From day one of camp I haven't felt that there was a whole lot of competition for positions. So, like last week, Newmann gets replaced, knowing full well that he'd be back in if things went bad.
These guys are making, in some cases, millions of dollars. Some will be motivated to work to earn that, and some will pocket the money and spend it first chance they get. It is up to coaches and staff to determine which person is which.
By my own untrained eye, why for example is Hefflin not playing?? He isn't a high draft choice, or maybe not the most physically gifted, but he impresses me as the type that would step on his own mother to beat you. If I'm going to get beat, that's who I'd like to be on the field. I know what I'm going to be getting every play.
I won't point out who I feel is coasting, and I do feel that much of the perceived lack of effort is confusion, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of blood and guts out there.
( As much as I couldn't stand him) A Ray Lewis type person on the field, wouldn't be the worst thing for us.
As long as peep's are suggesting changes on the O line, here is my idea...
Jenkins back to LG, Tom to center, Meyers to RG and Nijman to RT. I really feel Meyers can block, just simplify it for him a bit. Tom seems to me to be built for center, a little shorter than some-compact. Yosh will take time to get adjusted but he'll get there.

Nothing good can come from going full Ben McAdoo. Newman has to go, sure, but replacing confused, poorly-coached starters with lesser skilled poorly-coached athletes won't fix what needs afixin' on this team. It would be exciting at first, the on-field equivalent of firing all the higher-ups at 1265, but then, once the adrenaline rush was gone we'd all be riding a slow train to Regret City.

Benching Rodgers would take the kind of balls that nobody in this FO has.

Benching Newman is an imperative. If it doesn’t happen the whole FO should be put on a bus for parts unknown.

The other benchings? I don’t buy in to the defensive talent hype the media has been peddling since training camp. The guys you mention are a bunch of JAGs. Replace them with other JAGs? Sure, why not. Couldn’t hurt.

I get the anger and frustration. When that happens the feeling arises that something must be done. The mind goes to radical solutions in order to help us feel better. So our emotions take over the brain. Never let one’s emotions rule the brain.

It’s ok to think outside the box just make sure that your emotions are not the source of your reaction and reasoning.

In order to bench Rodgers, and that type of move can be very effective in shaking up a team, one has to have a plan.

Look at it this way, if we take out Rodgers it suggests that he’s clearly seen as preventing us from doing what the team is designed to do. Forget Love, hypothetically, assume we have Mahommes. Do we really think he turns this O into a dynamic force? Do we really think we would emerge with an unrecognizable Offensive game plan?

I suspect we’d come out exactly like we did in Love’s prior playing time last year: playing “Rodgers” ball without Rodgers. It was extraordinarily telling that LaFleur had no plan developed for the eventuality that Rodgers was hurt (or hit Covid). It was ridiculous putting any newbie out in a Rodgers game plan. It still is.

Would Love magically change the play calls and personnel usage? If the answer is based on last year, no. If he would, then we have admission that Rogers and LaFleur can’t coexist productively. If that’s the case, Rodgers is still an asset and one we are unable to move on from anyway for cap reasons and LaFleur should be out of the door already. The question is not, if this is true, can we find better, but that better would start with no LaFleur and just letting Rodgers execute as he wishes (and is largely in this scenario) but without the interference.

You bench when a player is not performing through lack of effort, through obvious lack of ability, or when they refuse to play within the game plan AND you really believe that this is detrimental. If you don’t see it as detrimental, you look at the coach, not the player.

I don’t think Rodgers the HC wins us a Super Bowl. I do think he might get us to the best place we can be this year. That pretty much trashed the value of LaFleur.

As to the others, I’m looking at coaching and wondering how much is that the fault (schemes/game plan/roles and their fit with the individual). Are we blaming players when they are being made to fight their limitations or being the fall guy for a unit that is dysfunctional and if so is that the major issue? If it is, it’s the ask not the player.

Savage has regressed since Barry arrived. Is that coincidence or not? The answer is critical. Walker is a big problem but also a big talent. Is it his fault or his coaches using him beyond his experience? Toure has talent. He’s raw. Should we be trotting out less talent or just less WRs as we often do, it is it over caution? Jones isn’t being utilized enough. Whose fault is that? If it truly is Rodgers then he’d be on the field and perhaps it is time to bench, because we would be better with our best weapon running more, but he’s not. Coach not QB.

When a team has a QB willing to throw long and yet ends up with by far the lowest yards per target in the league, I think it’s the scheme and usage first. Not least because that approach maximizes pressure and all the bad things once diagnosed. The scheme we have run is vanilla, predictable and excessively cautious in terms of personnel, both individuals and how they are used and the routes run. We make it easy to defend when we do go deeper because it’s almost always an isolated route and often to a slower WR. The big problem isn’t the QB. It’s the coaching, and that timidity seems to now have permeated both sides of the ball and to be leaking into individual play.

Don’t bench players unless you have better in the context of performance within their ask. If it’s largely scheme, the replacements will have similar problems. Attack the root. In our case, that starts with removing LaFleur and instilling a different set of expectations along with a more aggressive attitude throughout. We’ve seen two coaches in a row now do more with less talent and beat us through instilled desire. That’s enough for me.

LaFleur is the problem. It won’t improve till he’s gone meaningfully. He’s not a Man I trust to get the best out of any QB based in his time here.

CheeseHeadTV just letting anyone write for their site these days, huh? This isn't high school. The bench isn't the best coach. These are paid professionals. They just need to play better and they have enough talent to do that.

Too much negative BS on this site. Article about Rodgers time is up, rebuild mode and now this! They are 3-3. Calm the F down.

Who wrote the title Radical move - dumb title for a dumb sequence of events - Shouldnt write and post things from a bar buddie. But if you wanted clicks I guess you got clicks. Fixing the Oline will fix almost everything - will it get some receivers open - no = will it have AR take the short open guys rather than waiting for the long guys to get open - probably not = But will it send a note to AR - we want you to play better - What exact planet are you on ??? I agree with others who have said that if the O stays on the field longer then the D might not melt near the end. Was pretty happy against the Jets with the more aggressive approach - and yes Stokes didnt play well and didnt tackle well - but others have not been playing well either = Douglas too many dumb penalties = cost us possessions in London - Let us just see if Lafleur has the balls to change that Oline around to protect AR and open holes for the running backs -

I hope we haven't gotten into the ayahuasca here. I think most of us would agree Newman should sit, but Rodgers? So you think having him on the bench improves the chances of winning? When AR is running for his health and getting sacked, that's not on him dude. Benching Rodgers is perhaps the silliest thing I've seen here ever.
Quay Walker has been OK. for a rookie. The better question is where has Campbell been? Benching Walker, like Rodgers, doesn't improve things. The backup QB(or linebacker) is a backup for a reason.

Stokes is ok. We all forget he's in his second year. Scheme issue?

Rudy Ford is a great special teamer. Think the opponents won't notice Savage is gone?

This entire column can be summed up nicely: the backups are backups for a reason and them being in there won't IMPROVE much. Maybe it's the defensive scheme that everyone has figured out?

"So how about the coaches send a message..."

How about the COACHES are sent a message? Total misuse of talent on both sides of the ball.

But there is the conundrum. Who would send the coaches a message? Wouldn't be Gutey. It would have to be Murphy the self anointed GM, I guess. Who knows?

ML: "Look, you gotta get Brian off my back. He keeps insisting we use our players better. I don't need this. I am trying to fix some things and Brian is just taking up my time."

Murphy: "Hey Brian. Look I know you have some frustration here, we all do. But leave Matt alone. If you have an issue with how players are being used, bring it up to me, or better yet, at next week's committee meeting."

Before we bench anyone please refer to the attached articles:

https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-rodgers-thinks-he-can-fix-the-packers-bro...

https://flipboard.com >orlovsky-on-packers-offense-10-guys-right-one-guy-wrong.

Some good comments in both of these articles. Regardless I would still move Jenkins to LG, Runyon to RG and Zach Tom or Nijman to RT.

Thanks, Since '61

This is just a silly, idiotic article. It just feeds the flames of blame and emotion when good, hard decision making should prevail.

The fastest short term way to fix many of the problems with GB is to FIX THE OFFENSIVE LINE. They have the horses if they wish to use them. The offensive brain trust must put the right players in the right places to be successful. Fixing the line would (1) allow the offence to run and pass the ball better and (2) keep the defense off the field more so than in previous games. Its not rocket science.

Don't look to finding a star WR when QB is running for his life every time he drops back. That's like putting an extension on your house without a solid foundation.

Don't bench obvious starters with subs, in most cases. Even though we may be seeing father time catching up with Rodgers, I would rather see Rodgers have time to make a pass versus throwing a 2nd stringer in there.

I want to hear and see fans cheer the Pack at home and not boo them. I want GB to field a team that "can" win. Mostly, I just want to see GB win. Anybody disagree? GPG

I like the idea to bench Rodgers for a game, but not to necessarily "send a message" (I'm sure he'd take it as a slight, though). I think if you put Love in the game he will run much closer to the coaches' desired scheme and not ad-lib, which gives the coaching staff a better idea of what to tweak (scheme vs. personnel vs. execution). Going forward, I think everyone (including Rodgers and Love) think Love is approaching starter caliber but Rodgers remains the better bet, and Rodgers can view the Love tape (and if Love has success with the scheme, perhaps that's where a message comes in). I know it's not the best policy to screw around with a regular season game to figure things out, but they already seem dedicated to doing that week 1 each year now, and a currently in an undeniable funk.

Wow, just wow. This is idiotic. If your car needs some repairs, you don't start by ripping out the engine.

The OL failures have caused the vast majority of offensive problems. Need to get rid of Newman, and Hansen so they don't put him in anymore either. Put Jenkins back at LG, move Runyan to RG and Nijman at RT. Put lewis out there to help the right side and RUN THE GODDAMN BALL!!

as for benching guys completely, it won't help matters any. Get on the phone with Jim Leonhard to replace Barry. Problem solved. Barry obviously doesn't get that your not supposed to play prevent defense all the time. I'd rather see aggressive misses than giving teams a 10 yard cushion and still missing.

Rodgers want the authority to run the offense instead of LeFluer if you beleive the gaul of that guy. I think Rodgers is pissed off because he has at least two guys who cant learn the play book and are screwing up and he wants to call some plays they do know.
Right now it too dam complicated. Pluse we have two on defense who are the same and dont understand their roles in pass coverage.

Rodgers want the authority to run the offense instead of LeFluer if you beleive the gaul of that guy. I think Rodgers is pissed off because he has at least two guys who cant learn the play book and are screwing up and he wants to call some plays they do know.
Right now it too dam complicated. Pluse we have two on defense who are the same and dont understand their roles in pass coverage.

But but but if the Packers bench Rahhjerzz they’ll lose to teams like the Giants-n-Jets. Imagine that!

These guys aren’t getting it done. I agree; give someone else a chance.

This is the worst article that I have ever seen on the CheeseheadTV website. It also wins the supreme Luddite award for spouting utter nonsense based on a diminished capacity to think. But perhaps it was allowed to be published in order to draw out CHTV's lunatic fringe who seem to forget that the Packers have won 13 games in each of the last three seasons and are simply experiencing difficulty in stabilizing the offensive line while Rodgers tries to cope with the loss of two-thirds of his starting receivers, including Davante Adams, arguably the best WR in the NFL. But what's the point in running a story like this which makes a mockery of the many fine writers who contribute to CHTV?

Johnatan, I almost agree with you.

Today Packers team is broken, disjoint and that produce all those mistakes, brain fahrts and discontentment. As consequence you got uninspired team that makes a lot of mistakes.

For me, I would bench ACR, not to make him angry, but to give him time his thumb to heal and to recover from lot of impacts he suffered vs Jets and Giants. Let Love shows what he can do.

Second, I agree with posters that playing second stringers may produce team who will show even worse outing that Packers showing today. They never played together without at least one starter who may help them to do what they suppose to do. So, I'm for playing more second tier players in combination with starters. This will give starters less playing time and keep them fresh for the next week. It can be good, as players have huge game next week.

Third, I would not bench Stokes, but play him and Jaire press one on one coverage, move Savage to star and play Douglas as FS. I will also, during the game have Amos on snap count and use Ford on snap count and fill the rest of the snaps with Abernathy.

It is shame that Packers do not have at disposal Barnes as very good run stopper. This will help Campbell to take some other responsibility as LB. Do we have similar players to Barnes on the roster?

Only starters I would play are OLB Gary and Preston, but in rotation with Enagbare.

I agree with Coldworld that the main questions in todays problems with Packers are one very important question. Is the offensive mess on MLF and OC or is it on ACR. I'm sure that ACR changes some play calls at line of scrimmage, but we really do not know in what extend. Playing one game with Jordan Love can give an idea what MLF and Stenavich offense really is and how much of impact ACR has on plays during the game.

Another problem I can see, and what is pointed out by Coldworld, is that looks like MLF is the main culprit for a lot of uninspiring offensive efforts. Despite I believe that father time catch ACR it is hard to address all O slackness to him. But, in that way we might have evidence that MLF can't design game plan around strength of his available players, but rather keeps some shematic ideas that he believe it should work. Same to say for Joe Barry.

While I agree on Since'61 that WCO is much simplier and might help young recivers players to play better, I see problem that MLF was implementing through TC "his" system of "Invisible illusion" so that WCO concepts, despite they are simple, may produce more mistakes and lower the level of confidence in young players.

Regarding Winfree, he was promoted from PS already 3 times this season and they should not be able to promote him any more, only if they will sign him to active roster. What I seriously doubt. So, it might finally be Samori Toure time. Lets see what we have with him.

Also, I believe it is hard to evaluate anyone in simulation of the game, the true evaluation comes by doing real thing, in this case by playing significant game that matters.

But, as we all knows all this talk is just mind game. It will never happen...

Here's an idea so radical I bet nobody has ever thought it, much less proposed it: release Amari Rodgers (that other Rodgers who's escaped attention in this threat) immediately. I offer to drive him to the airport.