After Further Review: Packers vs. Patriots

Ross will provide a few observations every Monday afternoon following a Packers game based on a few viewings of the condensed version of the game on NFL GamePass.  While this might not be the All-22 camera deep dive that might be more "educational", it should provide a conversation point for the rest of the week.

They were tied at 17 in the fourth quarter with the ball in Patriots territory.  Again, the team showed that they have the talent to play with anyone anywhere.  Throw out the injuries, throw out the bad call(s), throw out the Jones fumble yadda yadda yadda and the game was competitive.  The problem is there are no participation trophies.  There are only wins and losses (unless you are a Vikings fan then there are hypothetical chapmionships and stuff that you would've won if a bunch of teams didn't cheat).  They now have to win or not participate in the playoffs.  It's that simple.
 
Rodgers isn't quite there yet.  You can see it on the 3rd and 2 read option.  The DE is crashing.  A healthy Rodgers easily outruns that EDGE to the first down but he just can't.  He's spinning his wheels.   There are also a number of throws where he didn't step into them.  With all that said Rodgers is still on pace to throw for 5,084 yards, 30 TDs and 2 interceptions.  For all the talk about how "crap" he is and how terrible he's playing if Favre would've played like that at any point in his mid 30s we'd have throw him a parade.
 

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Ross Uglem is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @RossUglem 

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dobber's picture

November 05, 2018 at 02:07 pm

"The problem is there are no participation trophies. There are only wins and losses (unless you are a Vikings fan then there are hypothetical chapmionships and stuff that you would've won if a bunch of teams didn't cheat). "

I think I'm going to make this the screen saver on every office machine at work...

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GBPDAN1's picture

November 05, 2018 at 03:39 pm

Lol, loved the Vikings fan reference.

It bothers me that Mahomes and the Chiefs scored 40 pts on the Patriots at Foxborough and our stumbling offense scored 17. It also bothers me that Mahomes has a 16.5M/ 4 year deal and Rodgers had a 133M deal. Teams with an elite QB on their rookie contract have such a big advantage.

Eagles won SB that way last year. Seattle did it when Wilson was on his rookie deal and so did Packers with Rodgers. Goff may be next, Chiefs and Mahomes if they pay for a D.

But, that's what we need to deal with in today's NFL.

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 05, 2018 at 08:01 pm

You're singing my tune. There was an article last year talking about how rare it is for anyone to win the Super Bowl when their QB exceeds 13% of the salary cap. For this year Rodgers is at 11.8% ($20.9M). Next year, Rodgers' contract projects to 13.9% ($26.5M). For 2020 it projects to 16.3% ($32.6M). The caveat here is that these are projections for the cap with adjustments - it could be slightly better than I've outlined here. It will get WORSE though is 2021 ($33.5M) and 2022 ($37M), and not just by a little bit - but I couldn't find a cap projection for those years. Basically, unless you believe the NFL has ooodles of untapped potential revenue left out there somewhere, you have to think that at some point the Packers are going to have a hard time putting talent around #12 - even more so than today.

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Oppy's picture

November 05, 2018 at 10:33 pm

The 13% cap thing is a candidate to be the poster child for correlation does not necessarily indicate causation.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 05, 2018 at 02:14 pm

"The Eagles got better by replacing Reid with Doug Pederson."

Except for they replaced Reid with Chip Kelly.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 05, 2018 at 03:26 pm

You can get better by replacing Chip Kelly with anyone.

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mrj007's picture

November 05, 2018 at 08:34 pm

Chuckle....

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 05, 2018 at 02:17 pm

The 2nd video of MVS is something Rodgers needs to do a little more often.

Rather then throwing the ball away, throw it up and let MVS, EQ, Graham and the other big targets go up and get the ball. They are all 6'4 +. Let them use that size!

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Johnblood27's picture

November 05, 2018 at 03:06 pm

Are you out of your fricken mind???

That MAY lead to an INTERCEPTION and a lowering of the GREAT ONES passer rating!!!

No way man...

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byu.tech's picture

November 05, 2018 at 04:52 pm

you deserve case keenum like QBs for the next 30 years.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 05:46 am

No, you need older QB who will not accept he is in decline...

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Point-Packer's picture

November 05, 2018 at 03:26 pm

He's already tried that with Graham a great deal this season and at least twice (perhaps three times) last night. How's it worked out so far?

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Point-Packer's picture

November 05, 2018 at 03:28 pm

"Are you out of your fricken mind???

That MAY lead to an INTERCEPTION and a lowering of the GREAT ONES passer rating!!!

No way man..."

Only copying the comment above because it actually insinuates that Rodgers makes split second decisions in part due to the implications of his passer rating. Which is one of the dumber things I've read in awhile. Which is startling, cause I spend a great deal of time on the CHTV comment string.

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packerbackerjim's picture

November 05, 2018 at 03:42 pm

Except Graham cannot jump which is odd because he was a basketball player. Maybe he had hops when he was younger. Not so much now.

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Pauly's picture

November 05, 2018 at 06:29 pm

Do you think Rodgers actually watched Brady march up and down the field with short passes and runs and WIN!!
I think Rodgers is an adrenaline junkie who only thinks about deep passes to Devante instead of boring, steady chain moving and winning..
AR would not throw intermediate passes to MVS on a slants just the deep routes.

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Lare's picture

November 05, 2018 at 06:51 pm

Counterproductive in a way, short quick passes could extend Rodgers' career much as it has for Brady.

You would think that would be easy to see for McCarthy and Rodgers. Or maybe they do see it and just can't help letting their egos dictate the play that is run.

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Point-Packer's picture

November 05, 2018 at 06:55 pm

"I think Rodgers is an adrenaline junkie who only thinks about deep passes to Devante instead of boring, steady chain moving and winning.."

Second dumbest comment on this threat. Yes, I'm sure GB offense is dictated by #12's craving for adrenaline running through his blood..

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SpudRapids's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:08 am

I usually don't agree with you but you are on fire today

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Leatherhead's picture

November 05, 2018 at 07:35 pm

In the 4th quarter, Brady was 6 for 6 for over 100 yards and a TD against a secondary that featured a 35 year old man playing his first game at safety in quite a while (and who missed the tackle that allowed the backbreaker TD) and two rookie corners. Brice was injured, King left in the first half, Whitehead got thrown out. That's three guys who all start in the nickel package.

Rodgers was 2-7 for 16 yards.

The previous QB we had was totally hard-wired to take unacceptable risks in the clutch and we got burned by that over and over. Rodgers is a lot more cautious, and that's good. But although he can bomb with the best of them, we do seem to have trouble keeping our offense on the field. That's incontrovertible.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 05, 2018 at 03:28 pm

"This is McCarthy since 2015."

He called some seriously bad plays on 3rd down.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 05, 2018 at 07:38 pm

Didn't we go to the Championship game in 2016?

Here's my opinion: Defenses aren't stopping this offense. This offense is stopping this offense. Rodgers said as much when he started talking about negative plays.....all those missed passes and sacks and penalties and dropped passes add up and turn the #5 total offense into the #15 scoring offense.

This isn't about design, it's about execution. Most plays will work if you execute correctly.

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31 Wedge's picture

November 05, 2018 at 07:55 pm

I agree with you, and this was one play but - the 3rd down screen to Cobb was horrible design.

It's not all bad, but MM needs to change it up...and fast.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 06, 2018 at 04:35 am

The "execution" argument is a tautology. If the play you call only works if RR can execute a pancake block on Khalil Mack, it is a crap play because RR can't block Mack. If the hot read (first video) is Cobb running a go route against McCourty, that's a terrible play call because Cobb can't win that one on one. Cobb can run that route 50 times against McCourty and the coverage will be outstanding probably at least 48 times. One time McCourty slips and the other time McCourty is so surprised Cobb is running a go instead of a crosser, he takes a false step. McCourty still might have the recovery speed to blanket the route: I debated between 49 out of 50 and 48 out of 50.

BTW, it is a 3-man rush on that play with a delayed blitzer coming in to a waiting Bulaga.

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byu.tech's picture

November 05, 2018 at 04:55 pm

the big mistake was made by murphy.
after the seattle championship he had to clean the house.
we lost 4 years.
next year we will have 60-80 million free cap, 10 picks (2 first 2 fourth) and MMC to the browns.
gutie has the chance to do what ted was not able to do, to build a dominant team.

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Pauly's picture

November 05, 2018 at 06:31 pm

Yes but will take 2 more years for all those rookies to jell into a dominate team.

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Lare's picture

November 05, 2018 at 06:53 pm

"gutie has the chance to do what ted was not able to do, to build a dominant team"

Does he really have the chance with Murphy calling all the shots?

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Leatherhead's picture

November 05, 2018 at 07:43 pm

Didnt' we have a great stretch run and go to the Championship game in 2016? We should have just gutted the team and missed that? The old "You improve by getting worse" strategy?

I agree Gute has an incredible opportunity to remake this team in the offseason. I'm sure we can talk about this in February. Right now, I think we're still in the hunt for the division title.

You know, Thompson made the Championship Game 4 times in 10 years between 2007 and 2016. That's pretty good.

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JimR_in_SoCal's picture

November 05, 2018 at 11:33 pm

Please don’t bring up that horrendous game. The Packers couldn’t even compete against the Falcons cheerleaders.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 06, 2018 at 05:56 am

I will bring that game over and over to the fans who do not want to accept that Packers literary had no players to play offense and defense only (as I recall, at the end of the game Guion played OG!) and LaDarius Gunter had to play No 1 CB. Not because Packers chose that, but there was nobody left...

You do not deserve championship team until become humble enough to be realistic...

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Point-Packer's picture

November 05, 2018 at 05:17 pm

Davante was also wide open on that deep ball to MVS.

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dblbogey's picture

November 05, 2018 at 08:58 pm

I think Rodgers knee injury has been a big factor. So much of his game is stepping up into the pocket, avoiding rushes and escaping sacks, and especially rolling out and throwing on the run. We'll see if he improves as the knee continues to improve. He sure hasn't been himself this year.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 06, 2018 at 11:11 am

I agree... Rodgers best intangible up until this year was his raw courage in the pocket... he's now afraid of injury so he is using brain power to "not get hurt" and it's causing him to misread the field. He's still outstanding don't get me wrong but he needs that confidence of not getting hurt to come back so he can wreak havoc on defenses.

My feeling is if he didn't get hurt vs. the Bears they'd have 2 losses right now, that's it

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flackcatcher's picture

November 06, 2018 at 12:54 am

Uh Ross? if this team is still competing, then that means the team is still listening, right. Which means McCarthy's message is still getting though, right. There are reasons for firing McCarthy that have been brought up on CHTV posts and comments. This is not one of them.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 06, 2018 at 04:41 am

Agreed. Other than HHCD and Graham, this team still puts out effort for MM.

As for Graham, that's been his MO for years. Some writers have noted that Graham is not very good on the scramble drill. That's a euphemism for if the initial route doesn't work, Graham stops all movement.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

November 06, 2018 at 12:22 pm

Thank you for a well written and intelligent article I wish you had more time and, for example, pointed how how poorly the pass to cobb out of the end zone was designed and how easily the patriots smothered each and every packer receiver. there was literally no place to go.

Again, the biggest issue for Rodgers is the WR play, even over the bad OL play. If we had a # 1 WR instead of adams failing to make plays, particularly in the end zone or red zone the team is 6-2 and nobody is whining.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 06, 2018 at 06:04 pm

MVS is open on a square in (dig) but is about 2 yards short of the first down. Seems conceivable to me that he can get those 2 yards on his own. Way better chance of that than the 2% chance of hitting Cobb on a go.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

November 06, 2018 at 12:28 pm

Finally, Cobb has to go. Be cut or a punt returned. He is slow and lost his quickness. Either of the playing rookies is a better choice.

You should highlight this. And you are spot on regarding the defensive backs.

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