You don't see the betrayal.
The team needs to immortalize Rodgers.
Thats what classy organizations do.
#4 would never have played for the Vikings.

When they brought in MLF.
Murphy said don't be part of the problem.
Where is the "we" in this?

We have problems at the top.
First #4 now #12.
Murphy and Gutey put themselves first.
Thats not why we have Stockholders.
Right the ship!

Aaron (Nagler),

The unpaid fans pay their money to watch the team.

The team is the players.

It is the players that we cheer and get behind.

It is the players that we watch as it is the players' agility, speed, strength, and conditioning that are special and worth watching.

It is the players who put their lives at risk each week, potentially dying on the field, often leaving the game crippled and brain damaged. And the average career of the 2,208 players that annually make the 32 teams NFL rosters or practice squads have an average career that lasts just 3 years.

When my Packer fan friends and I are not at the stadium and watching the Packers on television we turn off the voice to avoid all the nonsense of the talking heads who make their living off the players talents.

During a Packer game, we never boo the Packers players. Never.

The "team" though is not the management or the parasitic factions - the 31 Billionaires and various other parasitic operations - that profit and live off the talents off the players.

We do not pay to watch the parasitic 31 Billionaires owners or other parasitic factions profiting off the players athletic talents. There is nothing worth watching there - they do nothing of value but suck money out of the efforts of the players and their other wage worker slaves.

We, or most, know and understand the basics of how the Packers are run, and that the majority of teams are run the same, though to some varying degrees, and less the Owner thing, because the rules make them all 'equal'.

The separator is the decisions each team makes about its personnel, staff and players. Fans are behind the team, but it seems all fans are expected to simply abide by all deeds, decisions on and off the field and in Office.

Dissention is good, one part of society screams you should never dissent, but placidly, amicably agree/accept, or else. In the case presented by Nagler, if you dissent, you're not a real fan. To even ask/say such a thing makes a mockery of fandom, because it seeks to stem/ erase a fan's right to dissent.

I've always said, the truest fan is the one who isn't afraid to expose the wrong doings/ decisions, play, because that fan will be attacked by the blind, who follow the premise that agreement with all is the foremost requirement of a fan, in order to be a real fan.

I support the Packers, and have for much longer than Nagler, and I often disagreed with many things, but Nagler would insinuate that I haven't, ONCE, as he requests be done in his bs video claiming those who dissent, haven't ever. Just once, be behind your team.

As a non-american with no horse in the race, I chose the Packers as a young kid. I'd never seen a game and didn't really know anything about football (or American football as it is called here). It was just this mythological sport played in the that great land to the west, and I of course had to pick a team to root for (kid logic). My choice fell on the GBP because I thought the name Green Bay sounded cool and exotic (again, kid logic).

I will stand by that choice til I die, because it's been with me for most of my life, it's part of who I am. I will support my team through thick and thin, no matter what.

Even if we sometimes disagree, I'll always have your back.

Hells to the YES, Aaron!!! Well done, and necessarily stated.

Carry the G

Aaron,

I've been watching you on and off youtube for just over a year now, and I am a rookie community member - please, take my comment with a grain of salt.

When your first response to your message above came in with something along the lines of, "isn't that the way the society is going?..." Unfortunately, it's a sad reality of the times we live in. All of the emotions in our world are more connected than ever. Facebook was probably a good measurement for the start of this, but anger is an emotion. Love is also an emotion. Emotion generates engagement. Lazy journalists choose the former to get clicks. Lazy people also tend to complain about why the world is the way it is before they conjure up a way to stand for something. They may even not get the result they want, and proceed to double down with more effort on the negativity. But, alas, human nature seeks emotion based engagement to some degree.

You sir, are not lazy, and that's why you have a heart for your team. But, you have to remember why cities get corrupt in the first place. Why do places start off so beautiful and knit, and then become larger metro areas (the babylon lesson) and more often than not become corrupt or plagued in some area. As a fellow business mind, you need to account for this. Especially when your brand (the Packers) is under change; people will have emotion filled opinions.

What do I recommend? You should create a threshold for negative comments vs positive ones so the cohesiveness of the beautiful community you created can continue to thrive. The majority of your fan base here is with you, and we will criticize when warranted, and the community can make sense of that when they read it. And then, unfortunately there are some who continue to spew complaints with numerous thumbs down to thumbs up ratios and with no reason to stop and reflect on their position. They get to belong to cheeseheadtv and complain, just as much as someone who is pushing the community forward in a positive/neutral way. From there you would have to guard for malicious accounts with the same ip, but this isn't that hard if you beef up your account security on here, where you could request different things for verification perhaps, etc. I've had to research different security measures over the last decade because whether small or large, the negative energy comes in, in some form.

Maybe this is a fluke season for all the negativity, but more than likely you're at a crossroads to figure out what community you want to continue to nurture... Because, the good thing is, your user base is growing. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this, and you are the face and leader of this community. People naturally like to polarize themselves to two sides, because, well it's entertaining. Either you will drain your energy with public announcements like this, or put in website measures so the only place you see the negativity is on third party sites, or when the consensus of the community warrants the negativity. Wouldn't you like to know when the majority of your fan base has a genuine complaint as well?

I could be wrong, maybe you want all opinions on here. For me, I appreciated finding a die hard community (majority) who see the change happening in GB, and want to see the Packers continue to succeed - rather than pointing out why they will fail. That's why I created an account. I hope you can continue to create an assembly of fans that stand for the same concept as you do, Aaron. God speed.

**Thinking about it a touch more after Oppy's response, I'd get a different"point" system in place altogether. A "Gold," "Green," and "Personal Foul" point system. Greeny points for a "liked" comment. A once a month per user "gold" award for the comments that really stand out that a member really wants to help highlight. And, a "personal foul" dislike option that is only earned after achieving 5 greeny points or something. To prevent the dislike spam as well. Just saying, if you are going to have an emotion based, "like" & "dislike" reaction system on here, why not have it be a more healthy approach overall?

Aaron, thanks for posting this. Full passion ahead and damn the down votes!

To a good degree I share your feelings, but I can't really get behind the "are you a Packers' fan or aren't you?" part.

I don't doubt that the guys continuously dumping on the players, coaches, GM, and... everybody, really, are fans. I am sure they are Packer fans and that most are fairly serious about it.

When analyzing the team's performance we all shine a light on the weaknesses. That's fine. Good topics for conversation among serious fans, most of CHTV's registered users.

You're right that fantasy has had a negative influence on fans' views of the game and players; some watch highlights instead of the game. I'd add to this the celebrity obsession in our society and people's inexplicable interest in players' personal lives. And I'd also add a too common topic: the sloppy reasoning of imaging what a guy is thinking, objecting to that, criticizing the guy for the thoughts they've invented for him, and then raging at how terrible he is as a person. And then there are the simple insults.

I am also with you in the apologies. You must have repeated a couple dozen mea culpas in these four minutes, and along with you I apologize now to any fellow cheeseheads who might believe they are in my comments here.

Yes, CHTV has in recent months seen a nearly "continuous barrage of negativity (and) constant bitching". Welcome to the internet, Aaron! Trolls, keyboard warriors, and consequence-free incivility. CHTV is nothing as bad as twitter and sp, thank God, and I hope Oppy is right when he writes that everything will settle down (though I hope his prediction of "two or three years of fussiness" is on the long side).

I think a few good wins will calm a lot of folks.

The Packers spend the exact same amount of money as the other 31 teams. What most Packers fans seem to forget or refuse to acknowledge is that at least 50% of the players in the NFL have absolutely no interest in playing in GB. It has nothing to do with the organization. Draft and develop is the only way to go for the Packers. And now that Rodgers is gone, it’s going to be even harder for the Packers to land free agents.

Have a nice weekend. It’s time for some fish and an old fashioned.

After reading some of the comments, here's my two cents. I'm not sure what some of you are hearing in this video. At no point are you being told not to be critical of the Packers. He is addressing a small segment of fans, and we have them here, who do nothing but bitch and complain non-stop about the same things over and over and over. That gets real annoying to me as well and it's everything I can do to let it go and just ignore it. Those are the fans he is addressing in his video. After booting the few assholes that wandered in here, I think the comment section here is in a good place with some really good discussions. I appreciate well thought out and expressed opinions, critical or supportive, but there are people here and everywhere else that couldn't bring themselves to say something positive about the team if their lives depended on it. Where is the enjoyment in that for those people? That's what Aaron doesn't understand - and neither do I.

Oh, and did I mention the draft guide hits on Monday?

Go Pack Go.