Around the NFC North: 2025 Week 11
The Bears still don't suck?
By Mike Price

Pretty good week for Packers fans. The Lions lost and didn't play better than the Packers against the Eagles. The Vikings are horrific. And the Bears just barely beat the horrific Vikings.
Bears and Vikings
The Bears beat the Vikings 19-17.
Game Notes
- The Bears had this game under control for most of it before a late Viking run forced them to win it on a field goal with just four seconds left. Must be nice to make field goals.
- Caleb Williams had another meh game, where a few highlights had Bears fans foaming at the mouth. Williams was 16/32 for 193 yards and no TDs. Good for a 68.2 QB rating. He wasn't the worst QB in the game; that was J.J. McCarthy. McCarthy was also 16/32, but he threw for 43 fewer yards and two picks (along with one tud). Gross.
- Obviously, with the Bears atop the division at 7-3, no Bears fan is looking to replace Caleb Williams, but there sure as hell are Vikings fans looking to replace McCarthy already. It doesn't help that there are at least two former Vikings QBs having close to MVP-level seasons. If Kirk Cousins, now starting for the Falcons, starts blowing up, Vikings fans may riot.
- The Bears focused far more on the ground game than the Vikings, totaling 39 carries to the Vikings' 22. Sadly, those 17 additional carries amounted to just 25 more yards. The Bears often look good running the ball but Ben Johnson seems to catch the run the ball just to run the ball disease that sometimes moves around the North.
Lions
The Eagles topped the Lions, 16-9.
Game Notes
- Personally, I think the Packers outperformed the Lions in their respective Eagles match-ups. 116 of the Lions' 317 total yards came on three plays. Jared Goff was 14/37 and had a pick to go with one tud. 14 for 37!
- The story of the game was that the Lions, fresh off a change in play caller last week, failed five fourth-down conversion attempts and were 3 for 13 on third down. Sam LaPorta was put on IR before the game, and the Lions didn't have an answer for must-have downs. The Sun God should be that player; he had two catches for 42 yards on 12 targets. 2 for 12!
- Speaking of the Sun God, he has the fifth-highest WR PFF grade this season, but it's worth noting that grade, 85.4, is currently lower than any of the last three seasons and he hasn't actually had an 85 grade in a game since week 5. He has had sub-70 grades in half the games this season. Something worth tracking.
- The defense played well against an Eagles team that was hyper-focused on getting the ball to AJ Brown. Definitely not to the level the Packers played last week.
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Mike Price is a lifelong Packers fan who recently moved from Utah to Stoughton (a Madison suberb). You can follow him on twitter at @themikeprice.
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Comments (52)
splitpea1
November 18, 2025 at 10:27 am
Lions: Not a good day at the office for the OL. The Eagles kept their running game under control and harassed Goff all game long. The wind was a problem as it was in our game, and Campbell offered that as a partial excuse for his fourth down decisions. Bates also missed a long PAT as a result of Jameson Williams unsportsmanlike penalty for humping the goal post.
Ex-NFC North: Rams: You'll never see any easier TD than D. Adams' one-yard TD catch...Darnold threw four INTs, two to Kamren Kinchens. Remember all that crap about his low R.A.S. scores? Well, he already has 6 INTs in his young career, so maybe there's more to being a good safety than raw athleticism. Can't complain about our selection of Evan Williams a few picks later though, as he is really turning out to be a fine player.
Brewcity_BearsFan
November 18, 2025 at 10:37 am
Speaking of ex NFC North. Stafford is the current favorite to win MVP. I also think with the win Sunday, he is now over .500 in his career as a starting QB. No small feat given the terrible Lions teams he was on.
dblbogey
November 18, 2025 at 04:06 pm
i always thought Stafford was a top 5. Just stuck on terrible team, kind of like Barry Sanders.
jannesbjornson
November 18, 2025 at 10:49 am
There is no need to apologize for the Fans missing Kam Kinchens and the other three safeties who were available. Those miscues are on Gutedkunst. The Williams pick saved the draft.
Starrbrite
November 18, 2025 at 05:37 pm
“Humping the goalpost”—excellent—lol!!
Mr.Grapple
November 18, 2025 at 10:31 am
Is Detroit missing their former offensive coach? Well yes they are. The Bears are better, almost anything would be better than their last head coach. The next 5 weeks will be very very interesting.
Major Snafu
November 18, 2025 at 11:46 am
I personally dont like HC calling plays due to Mike M. He called plays but to the extent he was a poor clock manager and red flag manager. He never have time outs left in games when needed in the end because he called them for thinking time.
Cambell just isnt bright enough to be a play caller and will doom his team which is doomed. They wont be praising him at the end of this season.
Starrbrite
November 18, 2025 at 05:39 pm
The time out trouble was mostly on ARod.
13TimeChamps
November 18, 2025 at 10:42 am
Chicago has won a lot of really close games, some right down to the wire. They've actually given up more points than they've scored at this point. I understand a win is a win, but is that sustainable? Probably not. Teams that win like that during the regular season are usually one and done in the playoffs and have a falling off the following season. I foresee that scenario happening with the Bears.
Brewcity_BearsFan
November 18, 2025 at 10:50 am
I would argue Chicago is ahead of schedule. The off season investment in the O line has been proven to be money well spent. Johnson doesn't have his running game installed yet.
I like Monangai a lot, but am not as high on Swift. I don't think he will be with the team next season.
Caleb Williams has improved, Rome Odunze has looked like a top 10 pick
Defense needs help. Getting Jaylon Johnson back will help. That unit will need to be addressed in the Off Season.
LambeauPlain
November 18, 2025 at 11:30 am
The Ron Wolf Way: Getting to, going deep in the playoffs, and winning championships require two priorities: A top NFL QB...then surround him with a great Defense.
NFLfan
November 18, 2025 at 01:09 pm
Adequate OL needs to protect said-top level QB
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:50 am
da Bares still suck! It's just that now they suck due to winning enough games to be on top of the division.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 11:13 am
I believe they are on top of the division with a negative point differential. At some point they break out or just break. I tend to think it will be the latter looking at their route here.
dblbogey
November 18, 2025 at 04:07 pm
The Bears wins have been close, and all to sub .500 teams.
Starrbrite
November 18, 2025 at 05:41 pm
Yes—exactly what happened to the Vikings recently. One and done after a faux win/loss record.
Stinky Cheese
November 18, 2025 at 07:57 pm
No team in the NFL understands early playoff exits better the the Packers
T7Steve
November 18, 2025 at 10:47 am
Hope this newly configured O-line will get some more healthy work together this week and really start to jell. They seemed to start to get some run blocking going and now the weather is turning so they better be ready to dictate and control. Worried about Tom's back but hope he can play through whatever is bothering him.
It's THAT time of the season. Win the division by starting this weekend.
LambeauPlain
November 18, 2025 at 11:34 am
Banks finally showed some returns on investment on Sunday. He and Tom graded out as two of the top performers on Offense. Ryan and Walker graded out as two of the worst. Morgan was somewhere in the middle but he didn't impress much. He's not a Guard. Hope the OL coaches don't mess him up trying to make him into one.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 11:41 am
Walker on a partial rewatch seems to have been harshly graded. Not that it was one of his best days. Morgan looked if anything a little worse to me, with a few good plays in between. To me the bulk of the problems were once again the right middle. Dexter Lawrence is talented and he looked fired up. Rhyan held up pretty well considering, especially once he settled.
We again have a turnstile at RG. My concern is that has seemed true whomever we’ve had there. Is this more than just the player out there? Runyon looked a different player to the one he was when he was here. I wish we had tried to prepare Belton for RG from the outset.
Bearmeat
November 19, 2025 at 12:54 am
Morgan is just not an OG. He has been miscast there from the beginning. The coaching staff should have used him as the swing OT and Belton as RG.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 19, 2025 at 04:34 am
Dexter Lawrence smoked Rhyan twice in the early going for a couple of QB Hits. I thought he settled down after that. His PFF grade probably did not recover due to a charged fumble and I thought he had a second bad snap.
I thought it was you advocating for Belton at OT over OG? He was too tall or too much of a waist bender or some such. Maybe it was LLC. I took one look at Belton's kick slide and decided he could not help at OT as a rookie. That is going to take a lot of reps to fix.
It looks like Kinnard is the back up RT, but he is an RFA next year. I agree with Justis but if there is one guy they might tender an RFA on it is on an offensive lineman who can actually play if necessary. I don't think Tom is moving, and so it looks like either their first round pick (Morgan) or their second round pick (Belton) is sitting for a 3rd year and in Belton's case a second season as a back up offensive linemen, unless they get tossed in as guards or someone gets hurt.
Oppy
November 18, 2025 at 11:13 am
I’ve been looking for all of the people who claimed the packers’ offense performing so poorly vs the eagles proved that they are clearly outclassed by division rivals like DET who would never put on a disappointing performance like that, to proclaim loudly that DET clearly has no chance to stand up to the Packers.
So far, crickets.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 11:32 am
Does Detroit flaming out change who we are? No, it does not. It doesn’t make our O look any better in any way.
Although I don’t agree with his take on the relevance to us, LH is right in his statement that Campbell blew that game for his team and spectacularly. He did us that favor once last year having previously had our number. Hopefully he’s still got another one of those in him for Turkey day.
Bitternotsour
November 18, 2025 at 11:41 am
Detroit flaming out simply confirms the fact that there are no dominant teams in the NFL at the moment, that there's no clear favorite in the NFC and that the path forward is there for the taking. Are the Packers flawed, yes, of course. Is there a clear tier above them, emphatically NO.
Make the playoffs, be reasonably healthy, go on a run. Contrary to some on the board, we're not entitled to wins. The Bears lead the division and they suck. Go figure.
Brewcity_BearsFan
November 18, 2025 at 11:48 am
Disagree on the clear tier above GB.
While I agree there is no dominant team, I would argue both the Rams and Seahawks would grade above the Packers.
The next tier would see a hodgepodge of teams. Packers, Lions, Eagles, Bucs.
Then below them Chicago, Frisco, Carolina, and Dallas.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 11:54 am
Darnold is the Darnold of last year and before that. Like Goff he has an Achilles heal and if an opponent can get to him and score themselves, victory is possible. Doing that is not easy. It’s easier in Goff’s case than in recent years as their OL is not as great. In Seattles case, I think we now find out if other teams can repeat that as well. The recipe is out there. Can other teams capitalize on it?
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:54 am
Eagles beaten by Seahawks?
Imagine an archeologist finding that headline 2,000 years from now, and it leading to a radical new evolutionary theory, lol.
Coldworld
November 18, 2025 at 11:49 am
Or it shows how coaching makes a difference. If a HC gets it wrong he can turn a good roster into losers and, if he gets it right he can beat one. There are limits: Kafka did a great job for the Giants, but they just lacked enough quality to deliver at any skill position.
LambeauPlain
November 18, 2025 at 12:22 pm
Giants had one receiver who had over 4 receptions in the season. Their top RB was out. And Dart on the bench.
Amazing what turnovers can do for a team...or lack of them.
Oppy
November 18, 2025 at 04:20 pm
Welp, you managed to miss the entire point, which is that even good teams have bad games, and pointing at one or even a couple of bad games doesn't mean it's all over.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 19, 2025 at 04:58 am
I agree. That said, stopping 4th and short with Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, and Ojomo looks much more likely to me than with Wooden, Wyatt and Brooks. And on 4th and 2 or 3, Philly can play the pass instead of concentrating on stopping the run.
Detroits all-pro center retired and they would not pay RG Zeitler the $9M he got from TN (PFF does not love Zeitler - 63.7 grade, which is not bad - but I have not watched and don't know if he is playing next to terrible players).
I don't know why Philly's run defense DVOA is bad - the talent at DL and LB/Edge looks excellent: Jaelen Phillips wreaked havoc on Tom and GB, Baun is supposed to be good, Nakobe Dean is a guy I liked in the draft, and Nolan Smith gets ink. PFF is ok with Nakobe Dean, it likes Carter, Smith, Davis, and Phillips, loves Baun, Ojomo: wherein lies the problem?
BELIEVER
November 18, 2025 at 11:32 am
What is tud?
LambeauPlain
November 18, 2025 at 11:36 am
In football world a TD. (ToUchDown)
SicSemperTyrannis
November 18, 2025 at 11:56 am
Very new convention.
I hate it.
CheesePuff
November 18, 2025 at 09:30 pm
I thought it was a typo.
Leatherhead
November 18, 2025 at 11:34 am
Chicago has had some close wins. We'll find out in a couple of weeks how good they really are.
We have three games remaining, out of our final 7, against teams with a better record than us. The Bears, by 1/2 game, twice. Denver. IF we go 4-3 in our final 7 games, we'll finish 10-6-1 and will almost certainly make the playoffs.
Brewcity_BearsFan
November 18, 2025 at 11:56 am
Looking at the remaining schedule, I think Green Bay sweeps MN, splits with Chicago. I think they lose at Detroit. I have Denver as a loss. Their offense isn't great, but their defense is on a historic trajectory. Baltimore is the game I don't have a bead on. Both teams should be playing for post season spots. It could be the game that decides whether the Packers win the North, or travel in round 1.
Bearmeat
November 19, 2025 at 12:56 am
I think we sweep the Bears. :)
TXCHEESE
November 18, 2025 at 01:20 pm
7 games left still. Just beat the Vikings and stay healthy for the next one.
Starrbrite
November 18, 2025 at 05:44 pm
Yes—4 & 3 is the key.
Major Snafu
November 18, 2025 at 11:41 am
For me, my two cents worth about a penny:
Lions are done put a fork in them. Their center is horrid, they have no replacement and didnt get any help before the trade. Cant run or pass the ball now because he is a huge weak link. Teams best pass rushers going up the middle and living in the back field.
Bears defense looks so so but they are finding ways to win. Williams is coming around but still hasnt bloomed into what he can be. Could be first in NFC at the end of the season.
Vikes. Not sure why McCarthy. At M he was not a very good passer and tossed three picks in one quarter. He will be the reason the defense cant make up for his mistakes. Maybe last in NFC North.
Packers arun and passing game is avg at best. Parsons was a big mistake and Jerrah is laughing all the way to the bank with two very young pass rushers eating it up now and two first round selections next year. Dallas will be a force on defense next year partially because of the Packers.
Our secondary is not only pourous, they are poor coverage and tacklers and play a weak zone because they are weak minded players. Second in Div if lucky.
BuckyBadger
November 18, 2025 at 12:14 pm
Bears are frauds. They are winning by lucky turnovers and fluke plays. That will run out and they will be exploited.
THESZOTMAN1
November 18, 2025 at 12:12 pm
As we come down to crunch time, here's how I see the Packers and the North:
I think the Pack will beat Vikes. JJ is just too bad. Unfortunately, I'm afraid the Lions will win the rematch on Turkey Day. Hard to beat a good team twice. That puts us at 7-4-1. Wish I could predict a double dip versus da Bears, but I'm afraid they'll pull a rabbit out their hat again and win 1. If we will both, we're at 9-5-1 and pretty much on cruise control. Lose both and da Bears will win division and we'll be scratching for best seed. (Please not #7, where we'll get Eagles on road again,) Then it comes down to Denver (much improved), Ravens (scuffling), and Vikes (easier win this time; they'll have folded by then.) Win 2 or those 3, we're 10-6-1. Lose 2 and it's 9-7-1. Drop all 3 and we're going home early.
It's all in the players' hands.
All us fans can do is wait for "The Dagger."
GPG
The Szotman
LambeauPlain
November 18, 2025 at 12:29 pm
Ravens are not "scuffling" now. They have rolled off 4 straight wins...beating the Ugly Purple and the bares in the process.
They are not going to be an easy win.
TXCHEESE
November 18, 2025 at 01:22 pm
Again, just beat the Vikings and stay healthy. Winning will take care of the need for prognosticating.
LambeauPlain
November 18, 2025 at 12:14 pm
The North is wide open and the Packers are 1-0. The goal now HAS to be to win the North because making the playoffs as a wild card in this crazy season will be "wild" indeed with many "in the hunt" down to the wire.
Don't look past the Ugly Purple. Get to 2-0 in the North.
Oppy
November 19, 2025 at 10:39 am
The goal was, is, and always has been to win the North.
Well, technically, not always. It used to be to win the central, but you catch my drift.
Everything else is just window dressing for the most part.
My personal take is that unless you're talking about taking the #1 seed and taking a first round bye, it really doesn't matter what seed we land in- because if we're going to be the champions, it shouldn't matter who we play to do it. To be the best, gotta beat the best, so what difference does seeding matter? I know I'm weird like that and most people want the easiest route, but for me, I say bring on whoever. If we pull the short straw and can't handle the competition, we weren't good enough to be the champs to begin with.
Winning the division is all that matters. That gets you the golden ticket.
NFLfan
November 18, 2025 at 12:32 pm
Anyone watch the Rams lately?
I love the Packers and have since Aaron Rodgers started on the team. We live 4 miles from Cal, in Berkeley, and watched every game. Cal has never reached those heights again. My daughter used to love to yell "Marshawn" over and over (She was young and thought it was a cool name).
I obviously got used to the thrilling play of Favre and Rodgers and the incredible receivers, etc. but I don't sense the same excellence anymore and I feel I've given it enough time (7 years with MLF/Gute). I also don't sense an authentic
desire from the top (whoever that is) to return to the prior level of excellence as it would entail tough, unpopular decisions, many lost jobs (starting with the GM/HC), and I don't think there is the stomach for it. So, my guess is 'they will tinker around the edges, hope fans get distracted by the Draft, Free Agency, annual renewed hope and also hope fans will adjust to the new normal (9-10th level team) It will likely be worse next year because of the Cap.
CheesePuff
November 18, 2025 at 09:42 pm
Acknowledging reality really sucks for a Packers fan. Beer and brats will help ease the pain.
Starrbrite
November 18, 2025 at 05:55 pm
The Bears are giving up nearly 27 points per game…and some how winning?
If we solve the Vikings blitz, I think we beat them soundly—a few well executed screens/quick slants will help defeat it/them.
The Lions play hard. We always play them tuff; I believe we match up with them nicely and I predict a victory.
Let’s start with a win vs Vikes.
Go Packers!!!
joejetson
November 18, 2025 at 09:52 pm
Success in The NFL comes down to three main factors-
1. You need at least a good QB, preferably a Great QB.
GB has had two Great QB's since the 90's. Love is climbing his way up the ladder. We'll see how his legacy takes shape over the next few years. Right now, he's shown he's good enough to win and make the playoffs. Can he keep ascending?
2. Depth. The inherent violence in the game leads, inevitably, to injuries. Pretty much every team starts the season with a good team. But game by game, injuries occur, and depth separates the playoff caliber teams from the also-rans.
The Packers have had their share of injuries, and are sitting at 6-3-1. It hasn't always been pretty, but they're still winning. It could be better, but it's still pretty good.
3. Management/Coaching.
Player acquisition is the key to success in #1 and #2 above. Solve the QB issue, and stock your roster with quality players, perferably two deep at every position.
So far, GB's roster has held up despite injuries, but there are some thin spots. Time will tell if it holds up.
Then, smart coaching brings out the potential in your players. LeFleur has a very good overall won/loss record. There have been major disappointments along the way, however.
Also, some real head scratching decisions and situations.
But with his overall record, you have to give him credit for a lot more wins than losses.
If you compare GB's situation with the rest of their division, I'd take GB every time.
The rest of the division is on a recycling boom/bust loop.
Detroit was "bust" for a long time until the Stafford trade allowed them to stock the roster, and unlike many attempts before, they didn't screw it up.
Minnesota and Chicago have been on a seemingly endless search for a good QB. They've had small successes with aging, retread veterans, but never been able to draft and develop their own QB.
They've wasted several premium draft picks and millions of dollars in the futile quest to find "the guy".
In the context of this season-
Detroit is finally feeling the effects of their recent success. They've lost important pieces of their roster to Free Agency. They've had to pay their star players big contracts, which has thinned their depth. Combined with an immobile QB, teams have found a formula to beat them.
Minnesota has rolled the QB dice again with McCarthy. So far, they have crapped out.
Chicago has won some games recently that were pretty improbable. Their new QB has some athletic abilities, but I'm not convinced he's going to be in the "good/great" category. Time will tell with him.
Like I said above, overall, I like the Packers' chances for long term success.