Assessing The Trade Market For Aaron Rodgers

Aaron Rodgers will either retire, be a member of the Green Bay Packers next season, or get traded. If he is traded, what could the Packers get in return?

Here we go again. Another offseason chock-full of everyone’s favorite game: Will Aaron Rodgers be a member of the Green Bay Packers next season? And the discourse is just getting started! 

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported Sunday on NFL Countdown that “a trade is a very real scenario this offseason.” Noted. In addition, several ran with the theory on Twitter that Schefter also reported during an appearance on SportsCenter that the Packers would only trade Rodgers to an AFC squad. I do not think Schefter reported that as fact; I think he simply provided his opinion. Toward the end of the below video (starting at ~1:30), he said: “I don’t think there’s any way the Packers are trading him in the NFC.” 

He did not say, “Sources told me” or “from what I’ve been hearing” or anything like that. Regardless, if general manager Brian Gutekunst receives an enticing offer from an NFC team and said offer is better than what an AFC team offers, Gutekunst would be a fool not to take the offer from the NFC team. But I digress. 

Returning to Schefter’s report from Sunday that Rodgers could be traded, what could the Packers realistically get in return for the four-time MVP? Peter King of NBC Sports’ Football Morning in America guessed – he did not report, though people on Twitter would tell you otherwise – that the Packers would want two first-round picks and that the New York Jets, “desperate for a star QB almost since the Broadway Joe days, would happily pay that freight, I’d guess.” Let’s look at the recent quarterback trades and see how realistic two first-round picks actually are. 

QUARTERBACKS RECENTLY TRADED

There have been five quarterbacks traded in the last few years. Carson Wentz was traded twice, first during the 2021 offseason from the Philadelphia Eagles to the Indianapolis Colts. The 2020 season, Wentz’s Age-28 season, was one to forget. The North Dakota State product completed 57.4% of his passes while throwing for 2620 yards, 16 touchdowns, and 15 interceptions. He also registered a 72.8 passer rating. 

Despite that awful stat line, the Eagles received a 2021 third-round pick and a 2022 conditional first-round pick, the latter of which would come to fruition if Wentz played in 75% of the snaps in 2021 OR played in 70% of the snaps in 2021 and the Colts made the playoffs. If those parameters were not met, then it would become a 2022 second-round pick. Wentz ended up playing in 75% of the snaps, so the total trade package was a 2022 first-round selection (No. 16 overall) and a 2021 third-round selection (No. 85 overall). It is worth pointing out that the Eagles absorbed a $33.8 million dead cap hit by trading Wentz, which at the time was the largest dead cap hit taken by a team in NFL history. The Eagles are now playing for a berth in the Super Bowl. 

Wentz was a middle-of-the-road quarterback in 2021 based on passer rating, touchdowns, and interceptions, but surely did not meet the eye test when you watched him play due to the turnovers, holding onto the ball for far too long, and possessing accuracy issues (62.4 completion percentage). So, the Colts traded him to the Commanders along with a 2022 second-round pick (No. 47 overall), and a 2022 7th rd pick (No. 237) in exchange for a 2022 second-round pick (No. 42), a third-round pick (No. 73), and a 2023 conditional third-round pick. It would have converted to a second-round pick had Wentz played in 70% of the snaps in 2022, but he only played in 42.86%. 

Matthew Stafford was also traded during the 2021 offseason, going from the Detroit Lions to the Los Angeles Rams. During his Age-32 season in 2020, the former first overall selection completed 64.2% of his passes for 4,084 yards and 26 TDs, while tossing 10 interceptions. He also produced a 96.3 passer rating, good for 14th. The Lions received fellow quarterback Jared Goff, a 2022 first-round pick (turned out to be No. 32 overall), a 2023 first-round pick (turned out to be No. 6 overall), and a 2021 third-round pick. This trade was a win-win for both clubs. The Rams won the Super Bowl last year, and the Lions ended up snagging a top-10 pick this year and were able to use the 2022 first-round pick as ammunition to trade up with the Minnesota Vikings and select wide receiver Jameson Williams. 

There were three quarterbacks traded during the 2022 offseason: Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson, and Russell Wilson. All the Falcons could fetch for Ryan, coming off his age-36 season in which threw for 3,968 passing yards, 20 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions to go along with a 90.4 passer rating (his lowest since the 2015 season), was a 2022 third-round selection (No. 82 overall) from the Colts. Had the Falcons traded him at around the same time that Stafford was traded, my guess is that the final compensation for the Falcons would have been better. 

The Cleveland Browns have been desperate for a franchise signal caller for quite some time, so they mortgaged their future -- and then some -- for Watson, dishing out three first-round picks (2022, 2023, and 2024), a 2023 third-round pick, and a 2024 third-round pick to the Houston Texans. Watson did not play during the 2021 season because, well, I think you know why, but his stat line for his age-25 season in 2020 was impressive: 4,823 yards, 33 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 70.2 completion percentage, and a 112.4 passer rating. 

In search for a franchise quarterback after playing musical chairs since Peyton Manning’s retirement, the Denver Broncos targeted Wilson, who played in 14 games the previous season and posted his lowest passer rating and completion percentage since the 2017 season. They parted ways with a 2022 first-round selection (No. 9 overall), a 2022 second-round selection (No. 40 overall), a 2022 fifth-round selection, a 2023 first-round selection, a 2023 second-round selection, and a slew of players. To acknowledge that, as of right now, the Broncos got swindled would be the understatement of the year. In his age-34 season, Wilson posted a career-low in touchdowns (16), Adjusted Yards gained per attempt (6.9), passer rating, QBR, and completion percentage (60.5%). 

While the following trade did not go down within the last few years and while the landscape of the NFL has drastically changed over the last 15 years, I would be remiss to not mention the elephant in the room: as you may recall, the Packers did trade Brett Favre in August 2008, heading into his age-39 season, to Woody Johnson and the Jets (of all teams) for a conditional draft pick, which started as a fourth-round selection and ended as a third-round selection. It would have been a first-round selection if Favre played in 80% of the snaps and the Jets made it to the Super Bowl; a second-round selection if Favre played in 70% of the snaps and the Jets qualified for the playoffs; or a third-round selection if Favre played in half of the snaps.

In the season prior to the trade, Favre finished with 4,155 passing yards (the most since his 1998 season), 28 touchdowns, a 66.5 completion percentage (up until that point, a career-high), and a 95.7 passer rating (his best passer rating since his 1996 MVP season) en route to finishing second in MVP voting and third in Offensive Player of the Year voting. 

AARON RODGERS' VALUE AND CONTRACT

It is certainly possible the Denver-Seattle trade, and Wilson’s subsequent demise, causes teams to pump the brakes on giving up a king’s ransom (read: multiple first-round selections) for Rodgers. Not to mention, and perhaps most importantly, Rodgers is coming off arguably the worst year of his career and is approaching his age-40 season. His Adjusted Yards Per Attempt (6.8), passer rating (91.1), and QBR (39.3) were all the lowest outputs of his career. Further, he only threw for 3,695 yards – the lowest total of his career not counting his injury-plagued seasons that caused him to miss games. He also threw 12 interceptions, the most since his first year as a starter in 2008. 

However, he did recently win back-to-back MVPs, so it is possible that Rodgers could return to a near MVP level. At the bare minimum, he could be an above-average starting quarterback that shows flashes of greatness, albeit inconsistently, and gets the team over the hump and into the playoffs. In addition, Rodgers’ contract would, at least in 2023, be easy to stomach from a cap perspective because, per Over The Cap, his salary cap charge in 2023 is a mere $15.79 million. That figure jumps up to $32,541,666 in 2024, which is still digestible.

All in all, the acquiring team would be on the hook for Rodgers’ 2023 guaranteed salary of $59.465 million, comprised of a $1.165 million base salary and a $58.3 million option bonus, and $49.25 million in 2024, which “would be fully guaranteed if Rodgers is not released a few days following the Super Bowl in February,” per Over The Cap. As Over The Cap further pointed out in this article: “For salary cap purposes that [2023] option bonus is prorated across four years for a charge of $14.575 million per year. In 2024 the team has another option that allows them to split the salary up as $2.25 million in base salary and a $47 million option bonus, which for cap purposes would be prorated over three years at a charge of $15.666 million per year.” 

From the Packers' perspective, things are not exactly nice and neat. If the Packers were to trade him before June 1, they would incur a dead cap hit of $40.3 million. If they want to ensure 2023 draft compensation, the team would obviously have to trade him before June 1. However, while this has never been done before in the NFL, the Packers could tell the new team to select 'X' player with whatever 2023 draft compensation is included in the trade, similar to how things are conducted in the NBA. Ultimately, if the Packers decide not to go down that unprecedented route and they do not want to defer compensation, then it is best to trade him before June 1. If they decide to trade him after June 1, the team would incur a dead cap hit of $15.83 million in 2023 and $24.48 million in 2024, per Over The Cap. 

I polled some of my CHTV colleagues about potential compensation and here is what they landed on. 

  • "I think the Packers will settle for a 1, 2, and a 3." 
  • "I've been thinking two 1sts, maybe it's two 1sts and a mid round pick, but the 2024 1st round pick is conditional on him actually playing football in 2024." 
  • "Depends on where the 2023 pick is slotted. And I do think any 2024 picks would have to be conditional." 

How comfortable are the Packers willing to stomach a $40.3 million cap hit in order to theoretically maximize the trade return? In turn, how comfortable are teams, such as the Jets, Raiders, or Colts, with Rodgers approaching his age-40 season as he comes off arguably the worst season of his career? And how comfortable are they with the acquisition potentially only being a one-year rental?

Could the Packers receive a 2023 first-round pick and more? No doubt, especially because there are front offices, and owners for that matter, that are -- and will be -- desperate enough for a quarterback with Aaron Rodgers' pedigree that puts them on a path toward actually competing for the Lombardi Trophy and therefore are willing to execute a trade involving premium draft compensation, which maybe goes against conventional wisdom. Teams, to the contrary, could be more skittish and not want to pony up premium draft compensation for a 40-year-old and a potential one-year rental. At the end of the day, there is obviously a trade market for Rodgers, but it is up to Gutekunst & Co. to maximize the value. 

So, do yourself a favor and grab some Carry the G beer because the discourse is just getting started. 

 

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Rex is a lifelong Packers fan but was sick of the cold, so he moved to the heart of Cowboys country. Follow him on Twitter (@Sheild92) and Instagram (@rex.sheild). 

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 12:11 pm

I would trade #12 for, peace of mind. (you cannot put a price on that) :D

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MainePackFan's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:00 pm

Which would completely validate why you aren't, an never will be a GM :)

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:41 pm

Fair enough Maine, fair enough. ✌️

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 12:20 pm

Aaron Charles Rodgers, will you be my valentine?

It doesn't have to be romantic. No flowers or chocolates. We can watch some old game film. I can introduce you to the middle of the field.

XOXO

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dblbogey's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:56 pm

Thumbs up for originality and making a fair point.

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MooPack's picture

January 27, 2023 at 12:21 pm

I would say a 1st in 2023 and a conditional in 2024 at minimum. Likely could expect a 2nd or 3rd in addition in 2023.

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jurp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:06 pm

I'd take a warm six-pack of PBR at this point...

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MainePackFan's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:16 pm

To be clear Jurp, you are willing to trade a warm six-pack of PBR for a 4 time MVP to reduce the cap money we have to spend by 8.7M ? God bless ya my friend. Keep up the good work :)

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:49 pm

Me personally, Maine...I would hold out for a case of Bullfrog. ✌️💪👍

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MainePackFan's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:56 pm

lol

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:08 pm

Maine, I have a feeling this is the start of a beautiful friendship. :)

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:52 pm

No, it is not for this year, but it is for the 31m, 51m, and 45m we owe Rodgers in 2024, 2025, and 2026 and to get younger. Keeping him will destroy our roster (in 2023 and beyond)

Not to mention giving Love a shot at QB.

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PatrickGB's picture

January 28, 2023 at 12:39 pm

🙏🏼

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Leatherhead's picture

January 27, 2023 at 12:31 pm

Draft picks sometimes don't work out, but if you got a first round pick, from a team like the Raiduhs, you could trade that down and select quite a few players that might work out. I think it maximizes the return. If you gamble it all on one guy, and he ends up like Datone Jones or Nick Perry, we'll feel we were boned in the trade.

But if you get several guys, I think it increases the likelihood that at least one of them will make us feel like we got something for Rodgers. Does anybody remember what we got for Favre? I didn't think so.

According to the Trade Value Chart, a mid=first round pick has roughly the same value as two mid-seconds and a third. One of the mid-seconds could be traded for three later third round picks. That would mean we traded Rodgers for a second and four thirds. Five guys, all Top 100 picks. Five chances, instead of one.

I can't help but noticing our old trading partners, the Raiduhs, have picks #7, #38, and #70. 38 and 70 together would be an equivalent value to around #23 in the first round. Do I think the Raiduhs, who have no starting QB, would be interested in a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get the other half of the Rodgers/Adams HOF connection? Oh yeah.

Who could the Packers get at #38 and #70? A starting TE and a WR. A safety and an edge. Good players are available at those spots in the draft. Plus we'd still have all our own picks. I've done simulations where we trade #15 to the Cardinals and get their pick early in the 2,3,4 rounds. If you coupled that, with the Raiduhs deal I proposed, we'd have picks at #34, #38, #45, #66, #70, #78, #97. EIGHT picks in the Top 100. Linemen, weapons, edge rushers, safeties.........and then 7 more picks on Day 3, including two in the first part of the 4th round.

This team can greatly strengthen this roster in this draft.

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Guam's picture

January 27, 2023 at 01:04 pm

Trading Rodgers, whatever its for, will plug a number of holes in the roster. Keeping Rodgers will leave the Packers in a hole for several years to come. Is Murphy up to it? IDK.

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Coldworld's picture

January 27, 2023 at 01:22 pm

Nothing against playing the market for as much as one can get, but let’s remember here, the main driver is starting to mend our cap once one accepts that the alternative is not only futile but self harming.

Picks will help, but shifting this contract, capping the cap harm directly and unbundling others futures and costs is enough value on its own to justify the transaction. Always keep one’s baseline clear and at front of mind, then everything else is a bonus.

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dblbogey's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:05 pm

We only need to find one foolish owner who would over pay in a trade. The league seems full of foolish owners. Cowboys have Jerry Jones, but he was foolish enough to overpay and extend Dak, so that rules out the Cowboys.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:50 pm

Woody Johnson

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

January 27, 2023 at 01:10 pm

You’re singing my song, LH!
Personally, I’ve been thinking getting a 2 and 3 in 2023 and a conditional 2 and 3 in 2024 would be great.

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Untylu1968's picture

January 27, 2023 at 02:01 pm

You have, by far, the most realistic scenario! Sorry, but I just can't see any team pissing away a first, let alone multiples on Rodgers. He was once one of the best, but like all others before him, the end is closing in.
Green Bay Packers > Aaron Rodgers

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Coldworld's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:03 pm

The fact that he comes with an annual dance over the following season will be a factor. Favre was a fire sale for a conditional pick that ended up being a third rounder even though Favre played all season but the team didn’t make the playoffs and this trigger higher picks.

Favre did play the final third of the season with a torn biceps tendon that removed his arm strength and their season, probably to keep his steak going. Before that, he and they were looking great. Had he made the playoffs I think we’d have got a second and a first if they made it to the Super Bowl-I could be wrong on those triggers though.

I don’t see us getting much more than that. Yes, not the fire sake, but the contract offsets that.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:51 pm

Change those "3s" to "4s" and you have a deal.

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NickPerry's picture

January 28, 2023 at 05:54 am

No offense LH but WHY in the hell would you suggest or want three 3rd round picks? The Packers can't hit on a 3rd rounder if their life depended on it.NO, just no!

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davekenya's picture

January 29, 2023 at 01:57 pm

There are some good possible trade packages out there - straight up or conditional. "Does anybody remember what we got for Favre? I didn't think so." -- I remember they packaged that pick, traded up, and got Clay Matthews -- that worked out...uhm...okay, right?

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stockholder's picture

January 29, 2023 at 02:28 pm

CM3 trade. TT needed a LB in the worse way.
Very good trade! Wolf gave a #1 for Favre.
Love must be traded.
It's the only way Gute can get Murphys job.
The biggest problem with the TEs.
They aren't considered game Changers.
They're considered stick Movers.
The #15 should be a game changer.

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PatrickGB's picture

January 27, 2023 at 12:42 pm

Trade him for a second or third IF they take on his whole salary. Then the recipient can redo his contract if both sides agree. Also, I see the Titians or Colts as a potential trade partner.

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ricky's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:29 pm

Personally, I don't see Rodgers going to either of these teams. The Titans are a "run first" team who need a game manager, not a QB who would constantly audible into passes. And their WR's are unknowns, who would "need to gain Rodgers' trust". The Colts are a mess. And although Rodgers doesn't officially have a no trade clause, he effectively can control where he is going, simply by retiring. And the Packers would have a dead cap hit of $40.3 million. I believe that could be spread over two years.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:50 pm

The Titans are significantly over the cap and have the worst pass blocking O-line in the NFL. Not only is it practially impossible for Rodgers to go there, it is about the worst place he could go for an offensive setup.

Colts? Perhaps...

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PatrickGB's picture

January 28, 2023 at 12:49 pm

You may be right about the Titians. I did not check their cap. A run first team still needs a QB. But I was thinking about them because Rodgers recently bought property there. So that was poor research on my part. The colts can free up money easily and are dying for a perceived good QB. But you may be right about their line yet that is easily fixed with an input of talent. IF he gets traded, it might be to a surprising choice.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

January 27, 2023 at 01:48 pm

Do NOT want anything resembling a third round pick. Might as well just give him away for what we historically find in the third round. I’d rather a fourth rounder… lol. Seriously I’d take a second and conditional fourth with a post June 1 release. Getting the picks for 2024 would actually be more advantageous since there would be one year of Starter Love to evaluate. Send him to any team for the best offer. Not like he’s king to be around another decade and the underlying assumption is that the team is better (off) without QB12

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:48 pm

Any team except Duh Bares, Viqueens, or Losers is fine with me

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PatrickGB's picture

January 28, 2023 at 12:35 pm

Other teams know that we are in cap hell. Why would they trade high picks when we are just trying to dump his salary? Sure, it would be great to get high picks, but the main goal would be to unload his cap hit. We might even consider giving them one of ours if they take the whole salary. ;-)

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nygary's picture

January 27, 2023 at 01:57 pm

Whatever they get they get. As long as Rodgers and his salary go. I would include some of his buddies if I could in this trade. Bahk, Cobb, all of them. Start fresh and enjoy ride.

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jhtobias's picture

January 27, 2023 at 02:04 pm

What is the trade market for joe berry ? I assume 2 first round picks since lafluer thinks Berry is the reincarnation of fritz schurmer

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jurp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:42 pm

The market for Barry is three first round picks, except WE'D be the ones giving the picks to whomever we traded him to.

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Dragon5's picture

January 27, 2023 at 02:26 pm

Aaron....hmmm

Bromance--Adams in Sin CIty
Romance--Edens in Big Apple

Decisions...

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 27, 2023 at 02:54 pm

We can trade Rodgers (Mephistopheles), but we must retain Mason Crosby or everything will be ruined. It’s been too easy to take Mason for granted all these seasons. For the most part, ol’ number 2 has been automatic with his approach to the ball, plant, swing of the right leg, and follow-through. But, enough about Mason, let me make this post about me.

In high school, I was not a natural athlete. I struggled on the basketball court, often missing layups and feeling discouraged. I just couldn’t seem to coordinate pushing off my left foot while propelling the basketball off the backboard with my right hand. But I didn't give up. I knew that with hard work and practice, I could improve (call me old-fashioned and mock me if you will, but hard work pays off!). I spent hours in the gym, repeating the same layup over and over again, until it became second nature. Like Mason’s kicking of the football, my muscle memory had been established to complete a layup. I did it! Many a night the custodian turned off the lights and told me to skedaddle, but I persevered on earthen outdoor courts on cold winter nights. In the dark. With wolves howling and circling, their evil yellow eyes devouring my pale, meaty torso.

As I practiced, I thought about Vince Lombardi, the legendary coach of the Green Bay Packers. He was known for his tough, no-nonsense approach to coaching, and I found inspiration in his words and leadership. I also thought about Bart Starr, the Packers' Hall of Fame quarterback, who was known for his character and selflessness. I became selfless, had character, *and* could make a layup! I remained humble, though. In fact, I won an award for the Most Humble Classmate my Junior year. It was a loving cup made of plastic, yet I polished it as if it were gold (humbly, of course). I have it somewhere around here.

As I improved on the court, I began to feel a deeper connection to Lombardi and his philosophy. I started dressing like him, in fatigue pants and a white V-neck t-shirts on sweltering summer days (t-shirt always tucked in, and a belt for my pants), and in a camel hair overcoat and fedora in the winter. I believed that if more people saw me dressed like Lombardi, they’d see a role model who could make a layup, and they would approach life with verve rather than ennui. I’ll never know how many people I reached, but knowing I tried is often enough for me.

Years later, I've grown to be a long-winded, rambling internet poster, but I still reflect on Vince Lombardi and the lessons he taught me through his leadership and example. His words and wisdom have stayed with me throughout my life, guiding me to push through the tough times and never give up on my dreams. My hope is that the Packers will truly become a team after they trade Rodgers (Beelzebub) and play for the love of the game, and each other rather than the almighty dollar. They can’t like each other too much, though, or have any “friends” on the team. Strictly business relationships. That’s the American way!

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cdoemel's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:25 pm

Ha. That’s good

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:58 pm

Loetis this quote from Lombardi was on my wall in my office for my entire career. It help keep me focused on my role as a leader in my company.

"Leadership lies in sacrifice, self-denial, love, fearlessness, and humility."

It is the summary of the last speech, THE SPEECH as it has become known to be, that Coach Lombardi delivered on June 22nd, 1970 in Dayton, Ohio one week before he entered the hospital in Washington, D.C. for treatment of excruciating stomach pain. Three months laters he was gone.

Difficult to find a better parting message. Thanks, Since '61

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Johnblood27's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:58 pm

Leotis, my friend, you have picked a very bad week to quit sniffing glue...

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:47 pm

I don't think Rodgers cares about the money. I think he likes it, but I think he is a competitor at the core. This is not a bad thing; I actually admire his dedication

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 29, 2023 at 08:15 am

All this and you don't give us your scoring average as a Senior? Disappointment abounds!

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stockholder's picture

January 27, 2023 at 02:56 pm

Most of these GMs moved on for the good of the
GREEN BAY PACKERS.
Pay close attention to The Who had the MVP QBs
.Curly Lambeau Packers 1936 1949 Head Coach/General Manager
Gene Ronzani Packers 1950 1953 Head Coach/General Manager
Verne Lewellen Packers 1954 1958 General Manager
Vince Lombardi Packers 1959 1968 General Manager, Head Coach/General Manager
Phil Bengtson Packers 1969 1970 Head Coach/General Manager
Dan Devine Packers 1971 1974 Head Coach/General Manager
Bart Starr Packers 1975 1980 Head Coach/General Manager
Dick Corrick Packers 1981 1986 Director of Player Personnel
Bob Harlan Packers 1981 1986 Corporate General Manager
Tom Miller Packers 1981 1983 Business General Manager
Forrest Gregg Packers 1984 1986 Head Coach/de facto General Manager
Chuck Hutchison Packers 1985 1986 Director of Player Procurement
Tom Braatz Packers 1987 1991 Executive VP/Director of Football Operations
Ron Wolf Packers 1992 2000 General Manager
Mike Sherman Packers 2001 2004 Head Coach/General Manager
Ted Thompson Packers 2005 2017 Executive VP/General Manager/Director of Football Operations
Brian Gutekunst Packers 2018 2022 General Manager - It's time for him to go!

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Coldworld's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:07 pm

Ted went because his health had already taken him and replaced him with Ball. Murphy now controls personnel, contracts and key decisions. But you don’t listen and therefore don’t learn. Right instinct wrong target, endless repetition and no grasp of fact.

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stockholder's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:18 pm

And you don't see if you trade a MVP QB.
That your stuck with a GM that resembles Sherman.
My Point is if Rodgers goes. Gute has to go.
He's had his Time.
It doesn't matter what he gets;
when you burn choices for failures.

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Coldworld's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:41 pm

When did you add the second account?

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:20 pm

The Five-Year Plan didn't materialize.
PFN Score Points, do not worry about adding more slugs to the defense. It will not matter with Barry.

#15 to WASH for #16 and 2024 #2 pick.
#16 Joey Porter,Jr. P-State CB
#45 Kincaid Utah TE WASH #2 for #65
#65 Kraft SD State TE
#78 Benton Badgers DT
#114 Sean Tucker Syracuse RB
#147 Charlie Jones Purdue WR
#211 and #6 2024 to NYG for #175
#175 Luepke ND State RB
#202 Incoom C. Mich Edge
#221 Averett B Cook TE

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:50 pm

If Gutey brought us this back, the fanbase would draw and quarter him in public.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 28, 2023 at 11:44 am

They can always polish his Gems like Jackson & Burks, over Andrews at TE etc. Rhyan before Tom this past draft and zero TE selections through round four...a Strategist, he is not. This past season the Fans were whining about the redzone scoring. Get the two best receiving TEs in the draft and work them like Belichick did with Gronk and Hernandez and shredded zone coverage. They will definitely need a CB to cover the perimeter with Stokes on PUP and Porter ranks one or two on the List. I would have moved Jones last season and saved CAP. I would trade Jones prior to the draft. Tucker has the speed and hands to play the receiving back and still carries 210 lbs on his frame. It looks like some Fans like to stand in mud with the front office, then spit venom and scapegoat the guy that has kept the outpost relevant over the past five Gutey years. Charlie Jones gets open fast, great hands and goes to the turf to catch the low balls, unlike Packer WRs .Keeanu Benton is just as solid in the middle as some of the ACC/SEC stiffs projected to the first round; although, I do like the South Carolina crew. Averett replaces the relic, Big Dog. Give him his gold watch. Score more points.

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cdoemel's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:29 pm

Haha. That’s just your opinion. We all have them.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:59 pm

Hey!

Thats plagerism!

I posted a list of all of the GBP HC, GM and Presidents with comments about who succeeded and who didnt.

You should be even MORE ashamed than usual!!!

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splitpea1's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:11 pm

The Jets laid out the welcome mat for AR by hiring Hackett--there would really be no other logical reason for hiring him. So maybe the Packers should keep that in the back of their minds when negotiating with them....

The price for AR suggested by a couple of your colleagues at Cheesehead TV is delusional--and that's putting it mildly. That ship sailed a year ago. Be reasonable.

Agreed that it doesn't matter which conference AR is traded to--take the best deal and just get it done.

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jurp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:45 pm

What, my suggestion of a warm six-pack of PBR was delusional? Damn. What if we make it Milwaukee's Best instead? :)

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splitpea1's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:49 pm

We don't want to kill ourselves with the worst concoction ever invented, do we? Formaldehyde in a can.

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J-Rome's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:26 pm

Even if the deal was just for one 1st round pick with the Jets, that would give Green Bay the 13th and 15th overall picks. That would offer them some leverage and maneuverability. If nothing else that would be interesting to watch.

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ricky's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:39 pm

The Packers would want to trade Rodgers, in no particular order, to get out from under his contract, possibly let LaFleur regain control of the offense, and allow Love to become the new starter, rather than losing him and going on a desperate hunt for Rodgers replacement. If the team gets greedy, and actually demands multiple firsts for Rodgers, that would likely be a dealbreaker. It would take a desperate, and deeply stupid team to agree to no only take on Rodgers contract, but also give up multiple picks for that dubious "honor". If the Jets offered a decent package of a lower round pick, and a player in an area of need for the Packers, go for it.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:01 pm

Soooo.....

You're saying AR goes to Dallas to be reunited with McCarthy?

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TXCHEESE's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:42 pm

Not sure why the dislike of Gute. He's found some very useful pieces pulling vets in that have had a positive affect on the roster. For the most part, his drafts have been solid, and he hasn't tried to draft basketball players for the secondary. I had posted on another article, if you get two 1's or a 1 and a 2, you've struck gold. But even if you get a couple of 2's, that's a solid return in order to help get out of cap hell. I'll admit, there have been times this past season, I would have traded him for a couple of six packs of Tim's picking.

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jurp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:48 pm

It seems to me, and I could be wrong (not like that would be anything new), that, in general, those posters who like Rodgers also hate Gutekunst, especially if they're talking about "lack of weapons" for AR, which they then tie into the "Love is a wasted pick" narrative.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 27, 2023 at 03:49 pm

Gutey needs to work NYJ, Vegas, Indy into a frenzy and convince them AR12's thumb injury was the only reason we didn't go to the Playoffs this year. Which is actually true, probably. Once teams know GB is really serious about trading AR12, they can entertain preliminary offers and come back with counter-offers, which may or may not include Bakhtiari and AR12s golf cart. If they throw in the custom golf cart, the sky is the limit.

As long as they don't end up looking like the idiots they are, we should be good. Getting out from underneath AR12s contract and gaining financial flexibility is essential to success for the Packers of the future. The sooner the better.

Once the decision to trade AR12 is made, the real work begins. Forging a true path to the return of relevance and drafting the exact right players with whatever picks the trade provides. Franchise LT would be nice. Game changing TE (not in the 1st round) would be nice. QB wrecking OLBer would number one on my list, tbh. If we can produce pressure with 4, we can win a lot of games. If you give opposing QBs time to pick apart a secondary, you're going to lose.

Period.

Solidify the OL, Pass Rush, and add a couple more weapons and we can be right back in position to Rule the North for years.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 27, 2023 at 04:58 pm

I don't know how much convincing it would take to make people believe that Rodgers would be an improvement over the guy they had. The Jets situation is bad. Las Vegas has nothing behind Carr. Indy finished 4-12 and scored less than 20 in 12 games and lost 10 of them.

I think it'll be Vegas, I think it'll be a 2nd and 3rd in this year's draft.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:57 pm

I hope you're wrong.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:41 pm

He is doing just that, which I think is wickedly smart. Rodgers has said nothing from the FO indicates a trade so far. What Gutey is likely doing is allowing the Jets, Colts, and other teams to be the initiators in Rodgers trade discussions, giving the impression that the Jets are more desperate to have Rodgers than GB is to give him up. This will maximize the draft haul we receive.

Either that or they actually don't want to trade him, which, in my opinion, would make no sense for either side.

For the draft - Mayer, Kincaid, or Kraft can be the presence this team has lacked for so long at TE. Skinner or Branch can be the dominating safety on the back end. I like Iowa State's Will McDonald a lot as a second-round OLB prospect. He fits the position perfectly - he is fast, bendy, but has surprising strength for his wiry frame. He racked up like 27 sacks with the Cyclones, which is crazy considering he was being criminally misused, playing 3-4 DE instead of 3-4 OLB, the position he'd obviously profile better at. He reminds me a lot of Za'Darius Smith in his prime

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 04:53 pm

Now, I am easily amused but I can't wait to see the clash (behind the scenes) of:

We're Not Idiots vs the Smartest Guy in the Shroom.

Grab the popcorn, the Leinies, ease the rocking chair into position and wait like a suspended lungfish waiting for enough rain....

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D.D.Driver's picture

January 27, 2023 at 05:29 pm

Rodgers doesn't have a "no trade clause" he has something far, far better: he has a Trade Me to the Team of My Choosing or I Will Retire and You Have to Gut Your Roster Clause. If Rodgers retires, its a ~$45million dead money cap hit. Good luck being competitive in 2023.

Nightmare scenario: Rodgers says "I want to play for Bill Belichick--trade me to the Patriots." The Patriots say, we will give up a seventh rounder for him. Packers could be in a tough spot: trade him for a pittance or get nothing and a giant cap hit.

Rodgers has 100% of the leverage thanks to some terrible contract management and negotiation by Murphy/Gutey. They both committed roster malpractice and should be fired.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:35 pm

Easily handled. You tell Rodgers we'll be happy to trade Rodgers to New England. If New England will only give up a 7th, then we're going to want some financial considerations, either from New England or Rodgers.

If Rodgers wants to play for Bill Belichick, then he'll have the power to make that happen, won't he? He'd just have to give up money, which would help the team's salary cap situation.

Rodgers has 0 leverage. He'll play for the Packers, or he'll play for the team the Packers trade him to, or he'll retire.

If he retires, it's the end of his career and a real bad shot to our salary cap situation. If he plays another year or two or three somewhere, that's his choice, but I would think it would be to his advantage to work cooperatively with the Packers to make that happen. I don't think Rodgers has anything to gain by not cooperating with the team.

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jurp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:52 pm

Gutekunst doesn't control the contracts - blame Murphy and Ball.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 27, 2023 at 09:45 pm

No, he doesn't. But he is GM of Personnel, and he has input, just like Ball and LaFleur. Ultimately, Murphy decides because he's the CEO.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 28, 2023 at 11:49 am

Yep. It just amazes me how fans comment on the Packer FO with no understanding how it is structured and what the actual responsibilities are.

Gutey is mostly a personnel manager and even then, Ball and MLF get to play in his sandbox by directly influencing Murphy to overrule his player decisions.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 28, 2023 at 11:15 am

Check your data. If ACR retires Packers cap hit is 40.3 mill $. For 2023. And nothing else in 2024, 2025.

If ACR stays and will be traded after June, 1st 2023, cap hit will be something lower (I think), but Packers will have to cover cap hit of more than 90 mill $ for 2024, they might split that 50:50 in 2024 and 2025. Got it?

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Curt's picture

January 28, 2023 at 05:22 pm

Not buying in- the dead money hit in a trade is $40.3 million. If he retires it's $45 mil....either way 2023 is the only bad cap year and it can be solved with a few restructures of Bakh, Jones, and a few others.

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Swisch's picture

January 27, 2023 at 05:43 pm

Package Rodgers and Bakh to the Jets, who can sign Cobb on their own, all of them reunited with Hackett -- and voila!
The Jets could either move on from Zach Wilson, or bring him along more slowly to succeed Rodgers in a season or two.
The Jets get continual headlines for the next season or two in New York and nationally; make a lot of money in tickets, merchandising, and otherwise; and maybe even make the playoffs to kickstart their franchise into winning ways.
We'd let the Jets keep their first-round pick to draft a wide receiver to help Rodgers, as a way of making them feel better about the deal.
What we'd want is a second-round pick plus a veteran at one of our positions of need, perhaps defensive tackle, depending on who they have to offer.
All of this gives reasons for Aaron Rodgers to give a healed thumbs up on his throwing hand, and everyone is happy with a new start, including both fan bases.
(As an aside, I'd urge Rodgers to please stay away from witchery and other New Age practices, and to re-commit himself to football in order to finish his career strong with the Jets. Fare thee well, Aaron.)
Easy-peasy!!!
Get it done next week, so both teams can plan accordingly.
Wouldn't it be fun here at CHTV to really talk about the draft and the overall Packers' roster getting a fresh beginning under the promising Jordan Love?

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Mr_Bill_H's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:13 pm

How about a revenge John Hadl trade?

A 1, a 2
and
A 1, 2, 3?

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Leatherhead's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:29 pm

I look at the Jets, who scored 12 or fewer points in 7 games, all losses. They only scored 20 or more in 7 games, but six were wins. Does Aaron Rodgers improve that 7-10 team enough to make the playoffs? Is there anybody you could get in the draft that would help you more? I mean, you could draft and develop, like they tried with Zach Wilson, or you could get a guy who would make you better right away. And there's the added bonus that maybe Rodgers could help salvage Wilson, who is reportedly not really the leader type.

Would that be worth a first round pick? And then there are the Raiduhs, who have the other half of the Last Dance Duo and nothing at QB after they get rid of Carr. And they have the money. Their 2nd and 3rd round picks carry trade value equivalent to pick #23 in the first round, and if they offered that, I'd be on it like flies on potato salad.

As others have pointed out, part of this is fix the books a little. We spent money on the Last Dance, and last season, and among the things we can do to help our financial situation is to have an amicable departure that includes some financial considerations to the team. But part of it is that we can improve our core, our starters, our backups, and our practice squad with some low cost rookie contract guys, and that suggests that we try to acquire picks and target the guys we'd like.

I'd like that big Washington guy at TE, because I think he'll get his guy blocked. I like Cedric Tillman at WR. I like Roschon Johnson at RB. I like Skinner or Branch as safeties. I like the center from Wisconsin and there are several OTs in the Top 100 that I think would make our Oline stronger.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:37 pm

Skinner, Branch, and Tillman are all some of my most favorite prospects! I like Washington a lot but I'm not crazy over him - injuries may be a concern. Oregon's Center, Alex Forsyth, could be a very interesting day 3 prospect - their offense and QB dId very well this year.

Also, as long as Jets management think Rodgers can solve their problems, I think a trade is likely. Packers have no reason to retain Rodgers, and he has no reason to stay here.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 28, 2023 at 01:52 pm

We need pass rushers. I think that should be our #1 priority.

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MooPack's picture

January 27, 2023 at 06:35 pm

Place your bets.

In odds that were updated on Friday afternoon, Green Bay remains the favorite at -125, meaning an implied probability of 55.6 percent. The Jets have moved from +750 at the start of the week to +125 following the Hackett news. That’s an implied probability of 44.4 percent.

Green Bay Packers: -125 then; -125 now
New York Jets: +750 then; +125 now
Las Vegas Raiders: +550 then; +750 now
Indianapolis Colts: +1,500 then; +1000 now
Miami Dolphins: +1,500 then; +1200 now
New England Patriots: +1,200 then; +1500 now
Tennessee Titans: +1,500 then; +1500 now
Washington Commanders: +1,800 then; +1800 now
San Francisco 49ers: +1,000 then; +1800 now

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:08 pm

The Titans and Dolphins are significantly over the cap and don't have the space to take on his contract. The 49ers won't either once they extend Nick Bosa.

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MooPack's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:20 pm

Realistically, I only see two teams. The Packers and Jets.

The rest of the teams are standing out in the rain, peering through the window, with unseen tears, lamenting their roster and/or cap deficiencies.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 27, 2023 at 09:46 pm

Are you telling me that I could make money betting that Aaron Rodgers will be traded? What can I get for $1000? Do I have to predict the team, or can I just bet $1000 on whether or not he gets traded?? Odds?

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TacoTuesday's picture

January 27, 2023 at 07:47 pm

TACOS! Lots and lots of tacos!

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:06 pm

Here is my take:

If I were the GM, I would accept 2023 2nd and 4th round picks and a conditional 2nd that can turn into a first if Rodgers leads them to a playoff win. More would be great, of course, but that is what I think would be a fair deal.

Rodgers said the FO hasn't indicated any sign of a trade so far. Personally, I think the FO is playing a trade scenario smartly by allowing the Jets to ignite the interest in Rodgers, and not for the Pack to actively seek to trade him. That way, when the Jets have the first interest, they will be willing to give up more.

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Since'61's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:08 pm

Has anyone considered that maybe the Jets hired Hackett in an attempt to lure Love to the Packers via trade. Hackett is an alleged QB guru. He's already worked with Love for 2 seasons and would provide a familiar offense for Love to come and take over. If Rodgers decides to remain in GB it could play out with Love going to the Jets.

As for trading Rodgers if the Packers can get a #1 for Rodgers, especially from an AFC team, they should the money(pick) and run. Thanks, Since '61

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:36 pm

The Packers won't trade Love. He would offer little salary cap relief, and he wouldn't garner much draft capital, maybe a 5th at best. You have to remember that the rest of the NFL has only seen one Chiefs game and a couple of snaps at the end of games.

Also, their HC, Robert Saleh, said they would explore veteran QB additions. Love is not a veteran

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Leatherhead's picture

January 27, 2023 at 09:49 pm

We're not going to trade Love. "Fetch is not going to happen".

The Plan at 1265 is to trade up, take Love, develop him for 3 years and then trade him away while they continue to ride a 40 year old coming off the worst season of his career????

Seriously? That's The Plan?

I don't think so.

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Since'61's picture

January 28, 2023 at 07:34 am

Seriously??? Did you even read my post? If yes, then please point out where I wrote that the Packers we going to trade Love? I merely pointed out what the Jets might be thinking.

"We're not going to trade Love" sounds a lot like "We're not idiots."

Speaking of Packer FO quotes has anyone said they are not going to trade Love? I'm merely pointing out that anything can happen.

No one thought the plan was to sign Rodgers to his contract either. Many here thought that Rodgers would be gone and Love would be the starting QB by now. And yet here we are. Thanks, Since '61

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croatpackfan's picture

January 28, 2023 at 11:27 am

Since, Brian Gutekunst said month or so ago that Jordan Love trade is possible only if they got "an immoral good offer" that will need to contain multiple 1st and 2nd picks...

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Since'61's picture

January 28, 2023 at 02:51 pm

I agree Croat. But always keep open the possibility that anything can happen.

Plus I would expect gute to say that in an attempt to maintain the highest possible value for Love.

Remember MLF has said that he wants Rodgers back and Gute has said that the Packers want all of their guys back.

At this point it's all just posturing and words.

don't underestimate the fact that Woody Joh son, the Jets owner, would like nothing better than to grab some headlines for his team and he's an eccentric guy. And money is totally irrelevant to him. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 29, 2023 at 12:36 pm

There are multiple possibilities that can be played in this game. Rodgers may be dealt for pick(s) and some cash . Love could be moved for pick(s). They could both be moved and the Pack selects a QB in the first like Matt Levis, start anew and sign a free agent QB to backup or set the show in motion. They may decide to do nothing and sit like fools on cap mountain.

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stockholder's picture

January 29, 2023 at 01:04 pm

I vote move Love for picks.
Gutey can't wait to fire MLF.
Love wasn't just drafted to replace #12.
It was to replace MLF too.
Gutey is a power hungry GM.
He will cause a split in the Board.
And Murphy must fire him.

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Lphill's picture

January 28, 2023 at 09:40 am

I agree , great point.

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Coldworld's picture

January 29, 2023 at 11:08 am

‘61, I had responded in an earlier thread suggesting that I don’t see this as likely when asserted as the “obvious conclusion” (so the tone is somewhat weary, but the gist addressed my thoughts, so I will, just cut and paste with apologies:

“Yes, let’s make him our version of what Atlanta had in Favre if he’s such a sensible fit with that roster. This is where the cracks appear in your stance. If he’s that good a fit there you don’t trade him for what we have now under any circumstances. In fact you make darn sure he starts here now. Having it both ways sinks the ship of pretence every time.

For what it’s worth, all the noise from the Jets suggests their interest is in an experienced, tested veteran to go with their roster if they are to jump. Love is neither. Rodgers is both.

Neither are odds on, but I find, generally, that when there’s an obviously plausible fit in a scenario and people jump to avoid it for one much more strained, then those people are searching for a reason to avoid the obvious that is far more revealing than the typical protestations of justification.”

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 27, 2023 at 08:10 pm

I am out at the local watering hole. Women are wanting to dance but I keep telling them... CHTV, needs me. They are hot, articulate, sincere and I have a feeling, they like what they see.....

Sorry, I know this isn't Packer related, but I feel I owe my friends to keep in touch.

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GregC's picture

January 27, 2023 at 09:20 pm

The season that Matt Ryan had before he was traded (3,968 passing yards, 20 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions, and a 90.4 passer rating ) is pretty similar to the one Rodgers just had (3,695 yards, 26 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, and a 91.1 passer rating), so I guess a third round pick is all we can expect. The Packers could probably get a little more than that because Rodgers has had a better career than Ryan, but I'd be happy with nothing at all. Just get rid of him and move on. Probably draft a QB in the early rounds to back up Jordan Love and maybe compete with him for the starting job.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 27, 2023 at 09:25 pm

No. We need to commit to Love and show him that the franchise id fully behind him. I'm not against getting another QB to be a backup, but it should be in the 7th round, not early on

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 27, 2023 at 10:08 pm

Or a good veteran backup. We might be able to afford one before the season starts, depending on the moves the FO makes... A guy like Jimmy Garoppolo who knows the system and is a team player. Granted, he might go somewhere and start, but if not him, someone like him. He of all people knows QBs can get hurt, so who knows?

Danny Etling is better than any QB we can draft in the 7th, unless there is another Brock Purdy or Kurt Warner out there waiting for Gutey to snatch him up. We all know if the backup is playing, we're probably in trouble anyway.

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GregC's picture

January 28, 2023 at 05:20 am

When Favre retired in 2008, they drafted Brian Brohm in the second round and Matt Flynn in the seventh round. They knew Rodgers was going to be the starter, but they weren't going to let him rest easy. Bringing in a veteran backup is not a bad idea, although it arguably would put more pressure on Love because if he faltered, a veteran could step in immediately to take his place.

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egbertsouse's picture

January 28, 2023 at 07:56 am

It’s really fun to talk and dream about a potential Rodgers trade but we all know, in our hearts, how this will play out. Diva will continue to waffle and draw intense media coverage for a couple months making it harder and harder for the team to get a decent trade package. He will have whine-feats every week on McTankTop’s show ranting about finding himself and how he is being silenced by the woke mob. At some point Murphy and Gute will have a meeting with Diva to discuss his intentions. After the meeting Murphy will announce that Diva is all-in for 2023 and will be attending all the voluntary workouts and OTAs. We will discover later that Diva is all-in because Murphy tossed him another $10 million to attend practice and agreed to re-sign and overpay all Diva’s Kentucky Derby buddies.

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Qoojo's picture

January 28, 2023 at 10:26 am

Teams got a glimpse this year of AR's performance level with new WRs. Given how he is so controlling, "earn his trust", I would never trade for him because I think it takes AR at least a year to adjust to new WRs. Then look at some of those late season ducks he was throwing especially Detroit, it gives me pause on whether it's all thumb or if age is a factor.

If you look at Brady, he looked like absolute shit in the playoff game. No arm strength. I've seen better and more accurate throws at high school games. Even the year he won it with TB, it was a lot more due to the TB defense. Yet he is still discussed about Raiders.

I am highly skeptical of AR ever being worth his salary. The game appears too fast for him now. When you need him to deliver in high pressure situations, he hasn't in the past two years.

AR could benefit a team with a great defense and very good OL.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 29, 2023 at 09:57 am

MLF needs Rodgers to come back and play decent again, its the only way MLF will look competent as a HQ...why the Packers choose this kids still bewilders me but now the team reflects the soft HQ...good cheerleader though...

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stockholder's picture

January 29, 2023 at 01:16 pm

It pretty obvious now.
You never draft a Rookie QB
with a inexperience Coach.
Murphy took credit for MLF.
Gutey was out to get Rodgers.
And is out to get Murphys job.
Rodgers needs Rodgers to play great.
Gutey will fire MLF as soon as
Rodgers leaves.
MLF has No choice to bring back
Barry now.
Gutey is a wrecking ball.
He will wreck this draft like 2019.

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Qoojo's picture

January 29, 2023 at 02:25 pm

That seems like delusional level of conspiracy crafting.

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dobber's picture

January 29, 2023 at 02:58 pm

Gute does not have the authority to fire LaF

Gute will never get Murphy's job--he's not qualified.

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