Cardinals: 38 Packers: 8

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Packers loss to the Cardinals

Mike Daniels, Mike Pennel, Rick Lovato

Aaron Rodgers, James Starks, Davante Adams

Mike McCarthy

 

 

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The TKstinator's picture

December 28, 2015 at 07:47 am

They played a bad game against a good team and got killed.
Next.

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Gforcetrivers's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:04 am

Minus the turnovers/scores and score on the end zone pic and then you have a game. A few things come to mind.

"Missed it by THAT much!"

"Close but no cigar"

"Woulda, shoulda, coulda"

“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”

“The objective is to win: fairly, squarely, decently, win by the rules, but still win.”

“A team that thinks it’s going to lose is going to lose.”

“To the winner, there is 100-percent elation, 100-percent fun, 100-percent laughter; and yet the only thing left to the loser is resolution and determination.”

“Second place is meaningless. You can’t always be first, but you have to believe that you should have been – that you were never beaten – that time just ran out on you.”

The time to RELAX is gone!!!!

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:33 am

Don't forget: Second place is the First loser! :+(

But Go Pack!!!!!

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4thand1's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:22 pm

Second place is the last loser. everyone gets it wrong.

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WinUSA's picture

December 29, 2015 at 09:27 am

LOL that doesn't even makes sense? :+)

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paxbak's picture

December 29, 2015 at 04:17 pm

If Rodgers was playing well, Adams could catch, Starks could hold onto the ball, Cobb could get open and CM could rush the passer, it would have been much closer game

If those things happen, we could probably go to the Super Bowl too. Wait, weren't those things supposed to happen this year?

This team fell off of a cliff without warning or even warning signs. I guess it happens that fast in the NFL. Wish we would have started 3 - 3 so we would be at least looking at a better draft pick. This team needs a new impact player.

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Mebrooks5291's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:10 am

Total cluster f--k

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Since'61's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:32 am

Perfect comment! Thanks, Since '61

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Idiot Fan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:11 am

That sack by Pennel was really impressive. I'd hate to be that olineman in the film review meeting.

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marpag1's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:13 am

Yeah, he shoved him back into last week and dumped him like a rag doll. But that's the thing with Pennel... one great play every 10,000 snaps or so. He's seems to have terrific power, but I don't see him as a player.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:00 am

For your information, Mike Pennel was our best DL person. He had 3 tackles (alone), one sack (alone) and one force fumble. Next to him is Mike Daniels with 2 tackles and one Interception. All others have worse numbers. So, when you are giving some opinion, it would be nice to check some data before. In former games, most of the runs from opponents were performed on the other side of the Mike Pennels position. And that was why we do not notice him to often...

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marpag1's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:47 am

If you honestly think that Pennel is our best D-lineman, or even that he was just yesterday, you are insane.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:02 am

Well, I'm insane. Thank you! But thise figures tells us something! He showed up 5 times. Nobody else from DL did not do that!

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pooch's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:51 am

Worse numbers not worser numbers

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croatpackfan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:01 am

Thank you. Corrected!

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:59 am

Flicked him away like the tail of a cow flicks a fly of his backside! :+)

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RCPackerFan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:11 am

Yeah, this week should be ugly, uglier, ugliest... It was bad..

With that being said everything written was right.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:19 am

G: um. No one
B: Every player on the team making more than 2 mil a year
U: Coaching staff. All of them.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:19 am

The coaching staff needs a reorg. I'm not saying fire McCarthy but there are too many coaches doing game planning, Mc, Bennett and Clements at least. The 'Game plans' reek of committee thinking with to many cooks in the kettle. There is clearly not enough coaching fundamentals on Offense. Van Pelt is the Qb/Wr coach, how is that working out?

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marpag1's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:30 am

I know I'm a little tilted toward the side of defending the coaching staff, and I don't apologize for that. But especially in this game I can't see how this was on anyone but the players. I don't think that the most brilliant of game planning would have made a difference.

To me, the Packers actually looked a little feisty during the opening minutes, but that slammed into a brick wall. It reminded me of a little kid who is royally pissed off at his much older brother, and fights like a demon for maybe 30 seconds, but then the reality sets in that his brother has 10 years and a 100 pounds on him. This was just a old fashioned ass-whooping administered by a much better team. And after the tackles went out, it wasn't even a competition anymore.

The one thing that I definitely didn't like about the coaching staff is that Rodgers shouldn't have been in the game as long as he was, and Adams probably shouldn't have been in at all.

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:05 am

I agree...Rodgers took a beating worse than Rousey got from Holm. Thompson should have gotten on the phone and ordered McCarthy to get that man off the field. Both of them (TT and Mac) should be pulled up to New York in front of the commissioner to answer why Rodgers was still in the game and why Rodgers wasn't getting a concussion protocol.

A good manager of a fighter KNOWS when to throw in the towel before his fighter is beat so bad he will never fight again.

In my opinion...it was disgraceful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Amanofthenorth's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:47 pm

I would suggest a quicker release and roll outs when You have no blocking.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 30, 2015 at 05:43 am

AR should have been taken out at halftime. It was borderline criminal to allow a further injury risk in an essentially meaningless game.

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KenEllis's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:42 am

Jake Ryan was ugly bad.

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egbertsouse's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:06 am

I agree. I'm afraid that Jake Ryan is just AJ Hawk on a bad day.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:59 am

Hawk was far better, even as a rookie. And I was not a Hawk fan.

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:11 am

The guy had phone books for shoes. Made me question the talent evaluation now that half our scouts are on other teams. I bet they are now realizing the loss of Lee Gissendaner was just Fricken HUGE.

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Since'61's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:46 am

The Good: Daniel's pick, Pennel's sack and Masthay's run.
The Bad: Everything Else
The Ugly: Entire offensive unit, but the OL was the worst of it all. First they killed some early drives with holding penalties and then they were killed by the Cardinals DL. As Coach Lombardi said after the 1962 Thanksgiving debacle in Detroit when Bart Starr was sacked 11 times including a safety, "That was coaching stupidity and I take all the blame for that one." Hey MM, that's your line for yesterday's game. You may have watched tape of the Cardinals prior to the game but apparently you didn't see anything. Maybe give the guys a rest this week and go in as the #5 seed. Your OL, QB and Lacy are totally beaten down. Let them heal and take your shot from the 5 seed. If you win the division and go in as #3 you will get Seattle and I don't think you have the horses to beat them again even at Lambeau. Thanks, Since '61

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pooch's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:49 am

The O line is not in the ugly?,?You kidding me

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mcduff67's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:49 am

As a long time Packer backer this is as low as it gets.
A-Rod should cleanup his act, and I mean his off football
hours, too many commercials.
The Vi-Queens are in on another planet, they will clean the Packers closet next Sunday. GB will have a
nice long vacation to re-assess the program. Oh, well
there is always a next year hope.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:46 pm

He's in it for the money. You can't have too many millions when you retire at 40 having been sacked 300-400 hundred times.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:53 pm

As low as it gets? Long time Packer backer?
Try 20 years no playoffs and getting wacked by a good team didn't even matter
First because there was no hope. Second because there never was a national audience for packer games

As low as it gets....ha!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 29, 2015 at 05:46 pm

Ha is right

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 30, 2015 at 05:50 am

Trying, really trying, to hold back here. Comments about "too many" commercials, really? Don't say it, just don't.

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pooch's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:57 am

O line had issues all year with penalties, tells me they are not physically able to block without the constant holding penalties. Zone blocking scheme needs to be put to rest has never had and never will work for GB and is Zazaterrible sceme for a power running back like Lacy

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:13 am

I have hated that zone blocking scheme since its conception!!!!

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:47 pm

Will you look at that zone blocking scheme! Will you just look at it!

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 30, 2015 at 05:53 am

Every NFL team uses ZBS, at least partially.

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:57 am

The Good: Aaron Rodgers is still alive.

The Bad: McCarthy for letting Arod get a beat down that I haven't seen a QB take, on ANY team in over 50 years of watching football. Lost respect for the man.

The Ugly: Well my friends...you all saw the game..just too much to list here.... I think this is a team loss in EVERY aspect of the game...so my answer is...the PACKERS were just f#CKN UGLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

But... GO PACK!!!!!

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:48 pm

Archie Manning

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paxbak's picture

December 29, 2015 at 04:24 pm

Brett Favre against New Orleans when he was with Minnesota. That was a beat down... and he kept getting up. Half of those hits would have been 15 yards today.

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pooch's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:58 am

Ha were did zaza come from?

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Allan Murphy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:20 am

I'm sorry but this team has no bussness being 10-5 playing like a 5-10 team we suck and they should be not even in the playoffs ..................................

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SpudRapids's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:04 am

They have no business being 10-5 other than the fact they actually have won 10 games

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:57 am

The pain this team had us witness in those wins wasn't as wins should be. We came away more battered than the team we supposedly defeated.

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SpudRapids's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:13 pm

This is dumb.... you are dumb... winning never hurts and I could care less about how they won. You think Seattle walked away from the NFC Championship game and cared it was an ugly win?

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 28, 2015 at 02:26 pm

The wins did nothing but hide the lacking of this team.The hurt recently witnessed in Arizona is a by product of all that denial hidden inside the wins. Sure the Packers made the playoffs and they have 10 w's on the record and when, not if, the Packers are quickly dismissed in those playoffs you can go all denial or begin to accept what was in front of you all season long. Whether there were ugly wins or losses is not of any value, but the play seen week to week in any result, win or loss, is of value going forward.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 30, 2015 at 06:06 am

Actually the opposite is true. GB is a better team than the record or play indicates. The fallacy of Parcells' "you are what your win/loss record is" permeates the NFL.

Should this team have lost to Chicago or Detroit? Of course not. Should GB beat the Vikings Sunday night? Of course they should. GB has better players everywhere except RB and a more experienced coaching staff.

Individual games take weird twists. The better team doesn't always win.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:49 pm

Are you flirting with Taryn? You are so cute!

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Bugeater's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:21 am

The fact of the matter is that, standings-wise this game really didn't mean anything. Yeah, an outside chance at the #2 seed, but that was a long shot. I think the really ugly thing was keeping Rodgers in the game for as long as they did. When AZ was just teeing off on them, it was time to get the franchise qb out of harm's way. There was no benefit in keeping him in the game. That's where you have to question McCarthy's decisiveness. He needs to take charge in a moment like that and make the hard decision. Tolzein came in way too late.

The game was really hard to watch, but if the defense had gotten just a teeny bit of support from the offense, this would have been a much better game. It wasn't nearly as poor a defensive performance as everybody is saying.

People keep acting like there is some mystery about why the offense is so bad. It all starts with the offensive line. They were decimated. There is no way to beat a top tier opponent when you're playing with a second string O line. No mystery there. No protection, no run block, no offense.

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:38 am

Totally agree Bug.... Happy holidays to you!

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CrispyATX's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:39 pm

Totally agree. Defense only gave up 17 points, in all reality. That's a pretty stout effort against a top ranked offense. #12 should've been pulled after his head hits Lang's (?) knee and takes him out. I think that was sack #7. And that said Josh Walker is TERRIBLE.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 30, 2015 at 06:08 am

Bugeater wins the best comment award. Close the competition.

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Razer's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:39 am

Very little good to take away from this game. Worst part is that the Packers look like all those other teams that had their time and are now watching other teams ascend. First it was the 49ers, then the Seahwaks and now the Cardinals. We appear to be the team that will watch more talented, better coached squads beat us (literally) to the top.

People worry about Aaron Rodger's window closing. He still has years in the tank, but I don't see a team that is a puzzle piece away from a Super Bowl. At this point, we are linebackers, TE's, WR's, O-Lineman, RB's short of a solid team. That is the most discouraging part of watching this team fall so horribly short.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:07 pm

You are correct about the playmakers we need. How we will get them is the problem.

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FrozenTundra's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:51 pm

Damn you got more likes than dislikes. That's a first and you're right in what you say. Any more wisdom and you'll have a herd of calves.

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croatpackfan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:05 am

I thought you are mean. But no. You are just plain stupid!

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:28 am

I understand your frustration and their is truth in your comment...but I think you have to suck it up a little...the team has a lot of good football left.... This team isn't bad if we would be able to keep starters on the field.....Walker, Barcley in.... while Bulaga, Lane (for a couple of plays), Bahktihari, out spells a long day.... you can't buy the line McCarthy spews..."next man up" that stupid line came for WW1 when the chauvinistic officers would send their men in to non stop machine gun fire and watch as they got riddle to pieces..... The simple fact is, like it or not, we have had a run of injuries not unlike 3 years ago..... call it bad luck, bad conditioning, physical limitations of individual players...I don't care...but the fact is that if McCarthy sits all the injured out of next game and just concede the game as a mean nothing game...we might be able to field enough healthy players to make a run... the Packers have shown that they are capable of a beat down day...but they also have shown up against some good teams....10 and 5 with the injuries that we have suffered isn't anything to be ashamed of...as horrible as yesterday's game was to watch.

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SpudRapids's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:12 am

Not working? The D has gotten this team to 10 wins.

"Easier to find edge guys who can rush and play the run than it is to find edge guys who can rush, play the run, and drop back in coverage... just common sense."

Yeah because Dwight Freeney's grow on trees... common sense, give me a break.

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MarkinMadison's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:38 pm

More athletic LB types in the world than athletic 275+ DL. Just common sense. You can argue this until the cows come home.

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AngryPackersFan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:18 am

Rodgers brain was rattled around in his skull more than a few times last night. After Tolzien started warming up, McCarthy didn't send Rodgers back in, Rodgers refused to come out, I'm sure of it. Makes me wonder if he's refused medical treatment in the past. After all, he's a competitor who doesn't care for Favre comparisons, and doesn't want to come across as weak. Who in the organization is going to tell him what to do? They all know he's their best shot at a title, even if he's not 100%.

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:40 am

Sorry Angry....I have to disagree.... McCarthy is the head coach...HE is the person who should have sat Arod's ass down...no excuses..a fighter that has seen lights after getting slammed can't be expected to be lucid...for the health of the man...McCarthy should have benched him PERIOD!

It was in the best interest of Aaron Rodgers, the Packer organization, and any Packer fan that Rodgers should have been shown the pines...again..PERIOD!!!!!

What I know is that the commissioner's office should investigate the decision of McCarthy to let that player continue to get beat beyond comprehension...How many times did you see Rodgers helmet fly off...how many times did you see the impact that the blind side hits Rodgers took and the recoil of his defenseless body.... did you see Rodgers babbling to himself on the sideline... what about the play that Rodgers was sandwiched and his head was nearly decapitated.... how about the time that the defense hit this man with their helmets to his helmet..

Honestly... it was in my opinion CRIMINAL that Rodgers was still on the field after his 6th sack...... no matter what you think Rodgers demanded.

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jyros's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:42 am

AR looked like he was crying, standing on the sidelines just before he was taken out. Either he was in tears, begging to be taken out or was shamed by his performance.

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AngryPackersFan's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:01 pm

I don't think it was McCarthy who wanted him in there. I think Rodgers refused to come out. What is McCarthy supposed to do if Rodgers refuses to sit? Physically restrain him from taking the field? Why did Tolzien warm up and then not take the field for a drive or two? Who told him to warm up? Even the announces thought Tolzien was going in. They made a comment about it if I remember correctly.

I do agree that it was horrible. Rodgers got the living shit beat out of him. It was in the best interest of the Packers for Rodgers to sit. But I suspect his competitive nature got the best of him. He's a tough, highly competitive guy. After he took a few hits, he wasn't thinking clearly, just acting on instinct. Hopefully his brain isn't turning into mush as a result of the beatdown

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WinUSA's picture

December 28, 2015 at 12:28 pm

I totally agree with this comment Angry...regardless of what Rodgers wants...the King is the King (Head coach) regardless of what the knight wants...the King rules....if Rodgers was so out of it that he was going to go on the field against McCarthy's wishes...it is even more proof that he was out of it...McCarthy had 53 men at his disposal to gentle guide Rodgers to the bench.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:53 pm

That's not proof of being out of it, it's proof of being ultra-competitive, it's proof of being a little arrogant (which probably just comes with being great), and it's also proof of a little disregard for the authority of your HC.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:20 am

Good: That one Mike Pennel play (y'all know that one play)

Bad: Execution

Ugly: That asswhoopin'

Staying positive =)

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EdsLaces's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:32 am

The good ....the fake punt. The bad/ugly every freaking thing else.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:38 am

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611093/article/vikings-tired-of-...

That title warmed my heart. Hahaha!

Trying to stay positive.

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SpudRapids's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:14 am

I don't think you have ever predicted the Packers to win a single game... just observation

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Razer's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:10 pm

I wish that I could disagree with you but I have seen very little from this team that suggests otherwise. I only hope to see fight. Talk about realigning one's expectations.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 06:22 pm

Are you a man or a mouse. Pack will be breathing fire next week.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:09 pm

Can not see how they don't after this debacle and how they lose at home. They have to have some pride.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 08:59 pm

I know it seems like the impossible, the most unreasonable thing, furthest from the grasp of possibility...

...But I firmly believe one day, Cow, you will quit being such a soft, spineless coward who has to deny himself any optimism and predict the worst case scenario week in and week out to protect your fragile soul from any sort of possible let-down...

...And you might know the joy of being a man who can be optimistic going into a game, and be able to walk away from a loss without being utterly destroyed.

Suck it up, bucko.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 30, 2015 at 06:22 am

"A giant chip...". What does that mean, and how does it enhance the ability of a single player?

Let us look at facts instead of mushy bromides. Position comparison Packers/Vikings:

QB - Packers
OL - Packers (even with the injuries)
RB - Vikings
WR- Packers (Mike Wallace, horrible waste of a roster spot and $)
TE - Even
DL - Packers
LB -Packers
S - Vikings
DB - Packers
P- Even
K-Packers (close, Walsh is good)

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cuervo's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:41 am

I have to agree somewhat with Cow....I may not fire McCarthy, but I certainly think they (MM) should bring in an outside Offensive coordinator. Their offense consists ( and has consisted) of having a QB that is 125% better than other teams QB. Basically, Rodgers runs around makes plays. When he isn't at the 125% level, they aren't very good.
Someone with different ideas is needed to help renew some sense of offensive vitality. it happens all the time in the business world...why not football,
That said, I doubt MM will, and that may spell the end for him after next year.

I also agree that the Vikings will beat the Packers next week...there is nothing GB has done in the past 8 weeks to suggest otherwise.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 09:14 pm

Unless it's Philbin, I do not see MM being able to accept that.

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badaxed's picture

December 28, 2015 at 10:13 pm

No accountability. This is not Mccarthys team. This is Rogers team. They can get rid of the coach not their "all star quarter back".
Would a new coach change things. Only if Rogers buys into him. If not, a pass a little too far or too short or hold the ball a little too long or keep throwing to a receiver who cannot catch the ball and the new coach will go the same way as the previous coach. I do not believe Rogers has lost his skills. I think he has a God complex and wants total control.

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badaxed's picture

December 29, 2015 at 06:46 pm

In retrospect, you are right. Rogers sucks. What next cow. Trade him. Sit him for one of the back ups or cut him.

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4thand1's picture

December 29, 2015 at 08:29 pm

Your fuckin nuts. It would take 3 number 1's A teams top WR, LT, RT, and the teams share of the TV revenue. Parking too.

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badaxed's picture

December 31, 2015 at 04:44 pm

Knowing TT he would trade Rogers for 7- 7th rounders as he believes he can "coach them up".

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murphy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:17 pm

"there is nothing GB has done in the past 8 weeks to suggest otherwise."

Other than, you know, beating the Vikings.

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marpag1's picture

December 28, 2015 at 03:36 pm

LOL. Oh yeah.... that.

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packersbrewers's picture

December 28, 2015 at 01:37 pm

Good: When it was over

Bad: The lack of effort, drive, execution, fundamentals....

Ugly: The 2015 Green Bay Packers

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Tundraboy's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:14 pm

No question we need more talent and the lack of quality depth on the Oline and elsewhere is now out there for all to see. But I do believe it is time to find a new coach. I'm tired of seeing embarrassing defeats and yesterday Rodgers being pummeled and yet MM fails to do anything. I am not being knee Jerk on this. I have seen too much of his pig headed style since the 2007 NFCCG loss to the Giants.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

December 28, 2015 at 04:31 pm

Good: A well managed organization with young players and a bright future
Bad: spoiled fans
Ugly: regime change talk

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Amanofthenorth's picture

December 28, 2015 at 11:45 pm

A now that has a down and injured team in the playoffs.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 30, 2015 at 06:25 am

How about "fans" who aren't idiots? That's obviously asking too much.

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