Who are these guys? 50+ minutes of blah, blah....
Learned more about our draft picks at a local bar.

They had 12 total picks, not 14.

Honest feedback:

Shorten intro music and get into show quicker off the top. Not a huge thing but sounds more professional.

JP and JV should be in reverse roles. JP should be in the hosting role. JP has a very good command vocal presence. The show sounds like the NFL on CBS game telecast if Nantz and Romo switched roles.

Great pacing...no dead spots...excellent back and forth. Equal...no one guy dominating and nobody stepping on the other guy except just lightly in the ESB segment because you both were a little too excited about him. :)

Insights middle of the road. Find something about each guy that nobody knows about that's interesting. IE: J'Mon Moore was the player who got the Mizzou football team involved in the campus protest that made national headlines for quite some time. Oren Burks is defined by his activism... those are two big things about both players and it's a great lead in to questioning the wisdom of bringing in guys like that in the climate we're in with Kap not getting a sniff and Eric Reid. It's not hot take-ish...it's just interesting. Good but needs a little seasoning. A little salt on top would've made it taste better to the listener.

Should've cut it at 44 minutes and end after Packers discussion...if going to extend...review the rest of the division. Nobody cares about the Seahawks draft or the Raiders. Odd to go back to talking Packers after a Seahawks Raiders segue and no mention of the division.

One of my least favorite things about the NFL draft is when somebody wants the Packers to pick someone in the 1st round and then, of course, the team drafts someone else and the opinion changes. Nobody who didn't want Jaire Alexander in Round 1 should be fired up about him now. That guy was a mid 2nd rounder taken at 18. If someone told you before the draft the Packers were taking Jaire over Derwin, you wouldn't be happy, and, today, you still shouldn't.

Alexander better play outside. A pick in the teens on a nickel back? That'd be a waste of draft capital.

Josh Jackson reminds me of the Jerel Worthy pick minus the trade up. How far does Jackson if we don't take him? 15 picks between Hughes at 30 until Jackson at 45. 8 more picks until the next CB after Jackson at 53...then a huge run of CB's 53,54,55,56 and 58. Guessing Jackson was going in the mid 50's if we don't take him. No position in the draft had more players taken than DB with 46 selected. Feel like we got two CB's that should've gone in the 50's but we used an 18 and a 45...that's losing, imo.

Jackson covered NOBODY in the BIg 10. Lazard who went undrafted was probably his toughest test. Further, what QB that was anything did he face? Nobody. Bad QB play and even worse WR play make Jackson a huge risk with one year of just that to go off of. A 4.6 and then 4.56 when you've trained hard knowing your 40 is going to cost you if it's poor? He'll be slower than 4.6 at Lambeau and especially now that he's not focused on getting faster.

Difference in Round 3 was Ted would've taken Josey Jewell. Glad we went with athleticism and happier to hear he's like Kamara was for the Saints...just really really smart. Love Oren's twitter: @BangTimeBurks...not sure what the ladies think of that?

JK Scott...Hate that pick. I'm guessing they were going to take Mike White from WKU, but when he went they were blindsided and went with a punter because Oakland was going to get him if they didn't. I wondered why they drafted MVS after JK Scott and not the other way but they had to know Raiders were in on Scott after King went to Denver. Would've preferred a 4th WR to JK Scott.

On MVS speak to the dearth of speed this team has had on the outside under Ted. This guy is different as is Brian. We haven't had a WR who ran 4.3 since Charles Johnson and he never got a chance due to our screwed up med staff. Speed and athleticism was a draft theme and detailing the past vs. present would've been good.

An NFC scout reported ESB told a team in an interview that he wouldn't play ST's. That's a big thing. Maybe, that and his dad help cause him to fall?

On Donnerson and Looney... glossed over those two. Donnerson has all world measurables. The Janis of OLB? Mention his insane measurables and read them off. Build some hype and link past round Packers 7th round successes (Driver, Tauscher, Timmerman, Keith McKenzie, etc) and ask if Brian may have found a little 7th round magic like Ted and Ron before him and that he better considering what we didn't get in the draft and have on the roster.

This is the first show I listened to.

I thought it was really good. I will listen to more shows in the future!

I enjoyed reading the John Kirk comments. We don't have to agree with everything, but he had some interesting comments which took considerable time to put together in a decent flowing message.

I also enjoyed the work by the author who also put in a yeoman's effort to put out an informative product.

UH OH... Western Knucklehead is back!!!!

Well one thing is for sure, there are some regular posters around here whose proverbial "colors are nailed to the mast" regarding fledgeling players who haven't played a snap in the NFL let alone in a defensive scheme that no-one outside of the organization has seen yet, or an offense that's been quoted as being revamped.

It will make for interesting reading once the season starts.

I had an epiphany clicking the link in the story to the CHTV YouTube page and watching the Corey Behnke video about "perspective".

Perspective was a very curious and bizarre way to describe what was offered in that video. I have to say that his video summed up quite nicely the stream I've been swimming upward against all the years I've been posting. It's an impossible task to speak to people who are willfully irrational and proud of it.

Realism is a dirty dirty word as Corey makes very clear in that video. Realism should never be taboo. Who willfully and proudly states they live in make believe and love it and how dare anyone not leave them to it?

All the downvotes, vitriol, etc...is a response to realism colliding with fantasy. I have noticed many fans who are like that are prone to be Star Wars fans, Trekkies or things of that nature, too. I think they kinda go hand in hand in a lot of ways.

In some ways, I feel bad for bringing realism here. It's not wanted by the vast majority as the Behnke video makes clear. Realism is not evil, nor negative. It has been painted that way by many to avoid the real issue which Corey laid out as being desiring fantasy and eschewing reality. I see a lot of good in hope and faith but when what underpins it is an acknowledgment that it's based on escapism that's a place I can't and won't go. I couldn't as an adult male ever knowingly go against common sense to choose escapism and further to mock and make fun of someone who is peddling reality.

That video as much as I cringed watching it really was an epiphany for me. I'm different for having watched it.

I had to watch it again...in the video Corey is ranting like a lunatic about "EVERYBODY SAID" the Packers would lose to Pittsburgh in the SB? To prove how much fantasy he lives in here is the betting line for that particular SB:

XLV 2011 Arlington, TX Green Bay vs. Pittsburgh Green Bay -3 (45) Green Bay 31 Pittsburgh 25 Favorite-Over

The Packers were FAVORED by 3. Favored! That need to escape reality is present right there in that rant. The world was not against the Packers. You are not a better fan than the realist by pretending you believed in your team when they didn't. It's just sad, really. It's not normal behavior and really not normal to brag about it on top of it.