Just curious about straight line agility. I always thought agility referred to the ability to change directions.

Like most of us here, can’t wait to see these guys in action!

I always thought burst and explosion were the measures for straight line athleticism.

A few thoughts bouncing around in my cranium.
John Williams is an aerospace engineering student; maybe he was a little more invested in his classwork than most NFL prospects, and now that he can focus on his new career, he will make some big technique jumps.

Collin Oliver: I "picked" Jaheed Campbell with our #53; Oliver is kind of a poor-man's Campbell. It will be fun to watch a pass rusher with true bend--when was our last one? Clay Matthews? Kabeer Gbaja Biamila?

Hopefully we didn't cast our pick #124 on "barren soil." (sorry) In truth, he wasn't on my radar, and seems like an interesting addition. Maybe he becomes an Aaron Kampmann type, a lunch-pail guy who far exceeds people's expectations. That would be awesome.

Since I regularly picked Savion Williams with pick #87, the only "surprise" was that Gutey agreed with me! The last time that happened was with AJ Dillon--hopefully this one works out better... I really see a potential Randy Moss/Eric Dickerson blend in him. He MAY bust, but his ceiling is sky-high. He was used oddly at TCU, so everything depends on how he is coached and used (and how he adapts to it) in Green Bay.

Brinson reminds me of the Colby Wooden pick--sort of a sketchy tweener, at least as far as his play style...

Belton's tape is interesting; he doesn't always look good doing it, but he gets the job done. Those guys sometimes bust when up against NFL opposition...fingers crossed.

The Packers broke several precedents in this draft. It started with the wide receiver in the first round. I never thought it was an actual policy for them not to draft a receiver in the first round, because that would've been ridiculous, but 23 years is a long time. Also, Matthew Golden is smaller than usual for a Packers outside receiver. I wasn't sure he was on their board. I'm glad he was.

Anthony Belton is well beyond the usual weight threshold for a Packers draft pick. He was even mentioned in the CheeseheadTV Draft Guide article, "They Won't Be Packers," due to his weight. Savion Williams is a receiver with an unusual skill set. I don't remember the Packers drafting anyone like him, not even in the later rounds.

Collin Oliver is way smaller than any player the Packers have used at edge in recent years. I'm not sure how they are going to fit him onto the roster. They already have five DEs, plus they drafted Barryn Sorrell. Even if they go with six DEs, which they could get away with if Oliver plays special teams, they will have to cut one of the others. Cox? Enagbare? Sorrell? I guess I would say Enagbare, but is it worth cutting him for a pass rushing specialist and special teams player? That could be a tough decision.

Finally, the seventh round CB, Micah Robinson, is undersized at 183 pounds. He's just a seventh round pick, but still not their usual kind of CB.

It's time to re-adjust your thinking.
The strategy to win the division.
Is- take Offense.
Always take the MVP. Gute did.
Golden was this drafts MVP.
Speed says it all.
And finally a freak for the red zone.

CB was Zero thinking.
And we have veterans now on the DL.

The packers must put points on the board.
It's what kept us on top until recently.
This team will grow by leaps and bounds.
Gute got what MLF was looking for.

One more post draft thought - the Packers need to get Alexander's status resolved. Demovsky reported that the Packers and Alexander are talking about a contract restructure. Neither party is bargaining from strength as the Packers didn't draft a CB until very late and the rest of the league drafted lots of CBs early, so maybe both parties now have an incentive to get a responsible deal done. I think the Packer secondary is better when Alexander plays and Alexander won't get paid as much anywhere else due to his availability issues. Get a deal done and get ready for a 2025 Super Bowl run!

From what I read most of these picks were value picks. Yes I would have loved to see the Packers get one of the top 4 DTs in the first round but they were all gone.

I think the final chapter regarding cornerback has yet to be written. Will Jaire stay a Packer? I suspect the Packers waited on making a move until after the draft as it drives down Jaire's value on the open market. They well could be asking him for a pay cut and now if he refuses his market is much reduced. His injury history will also be a consideration for any team.

If he stays they have enough players at cornerback. If he goes they will need to find one or two for depth.

This year, Gute did not pick what everyone thought. I like the Golden pick. He has a quick first step to get separation and the Packers need that. He is going to contribute this year
Last year we thought we had a great future at WR. Well the NFL figured it out and the injury bug csused Gute to restock.

I thought that an edge/DL pick would be earlier. Hafley must like the DL he has. And Gute is hoping one of two of the two edges will contribute.

Not sure about CB. The Hobbs, Nixon & Valentine are okay for starters but I don't see any quality backups. Lost them in free agency. Making up with Alexander looks like a must.

With Bullard available and this new guy Simmons, it will be interesting how Hafley uses them vis-a-vis with the CB. We will have to see.

Micah Robinson had a horrendous agility score in his testing. A 4.55 shuttle and a 7.14 3 cone. Actually that is 1/100th of a second slower than Kingsley Enagbare managed on both tests.

His shuttle is significantly slower than Kemal Hadden’s another playmaking CB who plummeted to the 6th last year in part because he was so stiff (their 3 cone is comparable). Hadden is on our roster having been picked up last year for our PS.

It’s not hard to see why Robinson was available despite his ball skills, particularly given he did that at 5’11” and 185pounds. Hadden is 6’1” and 191. What is hard is to see what position he projects to. On paper perhaps safety, because Robinson is certainly fast in a straight line (sub 4.45 40).

He’s a 7th, so some leaps of projection are to be expected, but if the Packers believe that that testing is completely unrepresentative then he could be a steal. If not then the question for the packers becomes why pick him and was it really as a corner? The question for pundits is why no one else seems to have picked up on this? It’s a pretty extreme deficiency at least as tested.

Fun draft in Titletown! Solid draft for the Packers. NFL.com gave them an A-.

I was expecting my favorite draft pick would be a DT at #23. So Golden was a bit of a surprise, but a happy one after the top DTs fell off the board.

I say surprise because there were good DL prospects still available. Yet I was happy they took him after he fell...a bit of a steal. Good pick.

Very high ceiling. So high I do believe he can become WR1 and play X. His size would indicate that's probably unlikely. Counter the size with his speed, hands, and incredible quickness. He can kick it into another gear on the run after a quick juke and separate in a flash. And just a quickly, he can slam on the brakes and separate just as effectively to come back to his QB. Probably the quickest Packer WR feet since Adams. And he is fearless high pointing the ball. He averaged 17 yards per catch!

Belton is a dark horse. He was judged by many to be a bit of a reach, but that size and strength is incredible! Very impressed by his tape that also shows he struggles a bit with speed rushers as a T right now. So I see him competing at RG in camp, and he just might win the job. The rookie's size would be well placed between Jenks and Tom.

Matthew Golden -
I don't care where teams had him ranked. All that matters now is that he is a Packer! I think he will bring some much needed Juice to the offense. After Watson got hurt there was a clear lack of juice on offense. Golden definitely provides that. And how freaking amazing was it Thursday Night seeing Mark Murphy making the pick.
If anyone gets a chance, go check out Golden's draft experience on youtube. He posted it on his own page. Its a really cool look at behind the scenes.

Anthony Belton -
I think GB had a bad taste left in their mouth in the Philly game. Losing Jenkins early, and going with a couple that simply weren't ready for the moment. I see the vision of what GB is starting to do. They made a decision to get bigger on the OL. They got Banks, moving Jenkins to OC. And then they draft Belton. We will see what position he will play but I could see LT, to RG or RT. I think they decided to go OL to build up the size of the OL, but also give them more options for the future.

I do wonder if they are thinking about moving Tom to LT. But they also have Morgan to play there as well. I just know the OL is deeper and better!

Savion Williams -
This was definitely the most shocking pick of the draft for me. I was not expecting a 2nd WR. I do feel like this was most likely BPA for them. But also, they clearly were not as high on the WR room as what most of us feel. They have now brought in 3 new WR's. We know that Watson will be out until later in the season. We don't know what is going on with Doubs. I do think his just simply not showing up last year left a bad taste in GB's mouth. So I feel like they definitely wanted to add more talent to the position. But I think they have a big time vision for WIlliams. A guy who will be a swiss army knife in the offense, but also will be an outside WR.

Barryn Sorrell -
When Sorrell was drafted, and Goodell came out and said this young man is here, I thought he was referring to the person who was going to say the pick. Then he announced the pick. I had no clue he was there and what an amazing moment. Seeing him come out on stage. That was special. Sorrell is a very good player as well. Whoever wrote that script, was on point! So cool.

Collin Oliver -
I love this pick. I have no clue how good Oliver will be but I love how they took a guy who offers something that they really haven't had since Clay Mathews. An Edge player that can bend the corner. If he is a designated pass rusher in for sure passing downs, I am just fine with that. I'm excited to see how they plan to use him.

Warren Brinson -
When you get to the 6th round you never know what you can find. Gutey has been pretty damn good with 6th round picks. He has drafted St Brown, Ka'dar Hollman, Jon Runyan, Jake Hanson, Isaiah McDuffie, Karl Brooks. He has had some really good finds. Can Brinson be the next one? I think so. He brings good size and they needed another player on the DL.

Micah Robinson -
I know nothing about Robinson. There isn't a ton of info out there about him. But like 6th round picks, look at some of the 7th rounders Gutey has drafted. Ty Summers, Vernon Scott, Johnathan Garvin, Rasheed Walker, Samori Toure, Carrington Valentine, Anthony Johnson, Grant DuBose, and Kalen King last year. They have had success in the 7th round, they clearly see something in Robinson and we have to feel good about that.

John Williams -
Adding another big OL in the 7th round is a good move. You can never have to many players in the trenches. One it creates more competition, but it also puts existing players on notice that they drafted another OL. I think Williams will probably move inside, but they have Walker as their starting LT.. So i'm guessing they will try him at OT first and see what position he would best fit at.

I think this draft is a great example of evolving strategy and tactics. The Packers have been slow to evolve to new trends and tactics in the NFL but inevitably come around. They were late to adopt to the three four defense but finally brought in Capers and changed. Result was a top defense and a Super Bowl. We were slow to switch to a more up tempo multiple receiver offense but McCarthy came in and we got a prolific passing offense for a number of years. Now we see defenses playing safe coverages and rushing with multiple variations of rushers We see smaller shiftier speed receivers across the NFL. We see big offensive lines pushing the smaller defenses off the LOS. Teams like SF and Philly and Detroit have adopted this trend early and to great effect. Looking at our draft you can see that Gute has realized what the last step towards getting to a SB is and that is receivers that can get open and threaten the deep areas of the field. We see multiple styles of pass rushers and bigger road grading OL. You have to be very excited for the next step and another SB in Titletown!

This was Gutekunst somewhat thinking outside of the mocks; with a WR in the 1st - a superheavyweight OT in the 2nd - a "Freak" WRRB (Wide Receiver Running Back) in the 3rd etc.

As for not taking a CB until late Day 3. Understandable. This was not an impressive CB class. First - 3 of the tier 1 CBs (Johnson, Benjamin and Revel Jr.) were all medically compromised. Then there deficieny issues with another 2 - Jahdae Barron arm-length and Maxwell Hairston's weight. Then another "Trey Amos" - recorded a poor 4.36 shuttle. All in all - not a good year to bolster the CB room.

Okay, so what's the take on how we're going to use our new DTs? Both were a reasonably good value pick and signing, but I'm wondering whether or not Stackhouse is going spend his entire Packers career on the practice squad like J. Ford did. The loss of Slaton was not an insignificant one, so one of these guys is going to have to work out.

If anyone noticed, SF used their first five picks on defensive players, including two DTs. I wouldn't have minded the Packers maybe trading up in the fourth round to select the one they took, but at least they did finally get around to selecting an edge prospect.

My hope is GB makes the most of their early round draft picks by coaching them well. I hope the same for Jordan Love and his footwork/accuracy issues.

-Re: Jaire: I would use a 'per-diem' pay structure- he gets paid for each game he plays

Great stuff, Al. My crush from Day1 of my draft studies was Kenneth Grant too. Loved the Golden pick as well. Felt he was the only true #1 WR in this draft. Tetairoa McMillian had bust stink all over him, to me.

Thrilled with Belton as our starting LT. He’s a great pass blocker - and - a destroyer in run blocking.

Savion Williams was equally surprising to me, as I felt he was the most dynamic player on O altogether, albeit with fewer opportunities to build his resume. One of those “God only made so many of those big fellas,” descriptors applies, but unique to this WR!!! Holy crap. The Packers stole him there in R3. 6-5 225? Loves to block too? Sign me up.

There is a nimble, agile, smooth Ferrari quality to both Golden and Savion that this offense has not seen at WR in a very long time. Great picks.

Yes, we needed beef at 1T. Yes, we needed CB - OR, did we really?

I mentioned before the draft Gutekunst signed CB Kamal Hadden to a futures contract in January. He’s literally an incompletion machine boundary Corner.

Dane Brugler on Kamal Hadden: “A well-built athlete, Hadden plays sticky coverage, because of his pattern recognition, foot quickness and play confidence.”

Haden’s Coverage grade at PFF was 90.4, allowing a paltry 36.4% Comp%. Huge value find and signing prior to this draft.

Of the Day 3 Picks, I liked the Warren Brinson selection the most, and I’ll be darned if he doesn’t remind me of Cullen Jenkins in his physical stature. Hopefully Brinson can play like Jenkins!

Felt all along GB would double dip at NT, WR and LT. Well, we really needed two NTs, and Gutekunst signing Brinson’s Georgia teammate, UDFA DT Nazir Stackhouse, 6-4 328, ought to do just fine in run stop & creating pressure.

Stackhouse brings elite gifts as an enormous wide body to take on double teams with anchor strength, gap discipline, and old school play recognition and tackling ability.

I know nothing about Sorrell as an EDGE other than he gets a shit ton of pressures. Dollar Store Gary. Alright. Oliver, he carries a unique bag of PR tricks. Good. Unsure about Micah at CB. John Williams is a LT I kind of liked out of Cincinnati, but seems could slide to G and deliver well there.

While the needs for quality behemoth DT help screamed out in GB, the Golden, Belton, Savion Williams trifecta was a good reminder our greatest need overall was scoring points.

Savion Williams was #7 overall for WRs in red zone efficiency, and secured 75% of his contested catches. Bueno!

Adding two Home Run hitters in Golden & Williams, along with Belton to help spring Josh Jacobs free with true mauling bodes well for this 2025 Packers team. Good.