I'm in the same place as Al when it comes to Carlson or Joseph. Carlson's kicks ALWAYS seem to flirt with either goalpost and have since last season. Very few kicks go right down the middle. Personally I think it should be between Joseph and maybe someone else who's not on the roster yet.

I don't have any faith in Carlson what so ever. If you really want to hang onto him release him and claim him once he clears waivers. Can anyone really see a team claiming him? I don't.

"LVN - Lukas Van Ness looks like he may be developing faster overall than Rashan Gary did, however, he still doesn't have a pass move beyond "run through the guy."

I think he'll be better than Gary, probably by next season for sure...Just my opinion. I like LVN a lot and he makes plays in the backfield. I think the Hafley bring the 4-3 defense to GB is the absolute best thing that could have happened to this Packers defense.

I am going to play Packers GM for the QB and kicker situation. This is not what I think they should do this is what I believe they will do and a re thinking.

They want to give Clifford every opportunity to become the number 2 QB. Even if that means they will not show what they have in Pratt. They will keep Love and Clifford on the 53 unless Clifford just drops the ball. They will waive Pratt and pick him up after he passes through the waiver and put him on the PS. Yes I believe he will pass through waivers because most teams do not want to pick up a new QB after training camp unless they just cannot pass him up.

I am not sure what they will do with the kicker. Gute wants to keep Carlson and pick up Joseph or another kicker for the PS. So I believe we are stuck with Carlson and we will get Joseph on the PS as no other team will want him. I hope they get a kicker off of the waiver but I am sure whoever they get will not be much of an improvement.

My gut tells me Pratt will be a better QB than Clifford in time. I also am not sure if he is ready to take over if Love gets hurt. I would roll the dice and at the end of preseason keep Pratt and try to bring back Clifford.

As for kicker I would drop the third kicker they have, forgot his name and to lazy to look it up. I would go with Joseph as he is more dependable. With the new kicking rules I would be negotiating with Crosby and I would sign him if we could get him at a reasonable price. Crosby's leg was not strong enough to get it to get touchbacks but you need an accurate kicker now with the new kickoff rules.

As for defense they messed up not hiring Vrabel. He would have been a great DC for the Packers.

I wondered why Ryan was not more competitive for the starting RG position. Third year player and third round pick should have been the favored candidate, even over a first round rookie. He sounds a bit like the kid from Eastern Michigan (Lang) who took a few years to grow up and become a starter. Hopefully he eventually does grow up.

I was also disappointed that they shut down Pratt and the offense at the end of the preseason game. But Pratt played more in yesterday's practice, so we should see more of him in the next preseason game.

Good catch on that quote by LaFleur about Sean Rhyan. I hadn't heard that one. Yes, that does seem revealing. It's also a contrast to Jordan Morgan, who appears to be a tremendous athlete who keeps himself in good shape.

I was leaning toward Anders Carlson coming into camp, but now I'm thinking: What's wrong with Greg Joseph kicking it right down the middle almost every time? He looks like a very good kicker to me. If things continue as they are for the rest of the preseason, they should just keep Joseph and be done with it.

I like Dubose as well, but I also think it’s important to have some vertical threats. Right now that’s Watson, Reed, Melton, and…?

Now we can add “conditioning” to Rhyan’s to-do list, right after pass pro. But he offers more “slobber-knocking” than any other lineman, doesn’t he? Along with Monk? Or does that not matter in a zone blocking scheme?

I think MLF said it best. -
There is no #1 WR. Just the top 4.
Even if Dubose makes the club.
I don’t see him as a top 4 WR- Ever.
Word was they liked Jermaine Burton.
He would have been a better fit!

We just won’t get the most out of LVN or Wyatt
Being back-ups. Development for Who?
Play them or trade them.

QB #2.= It doesn’t matter.
You just paid Love 55 mil.

Sean Rhyan - Conditioning?
We’ve seen the athletic type fail.
I’ll still take mauler with speed.
If we grabbed King Sua-
They could have moved Tom.
Now they have to find a place for Morgan.

Just for kicks- have the kicker room with Love.
It worked for Rodgers and Crosby.

Fooled Again-I can believe it if a LB doesn’t cover a WR.

Why haven’t LVN or Wyatt developed any pass rush moves at this point? Isn’t that what coaching is for? It seems to me they should have developed at least some technique other than bull rushing by now.

I was surprised that Pratt fell to the 7th Round, this past draft. After watching some tape and reading some content on him, I felt he could be, --heavy on the could be--, our next Brent Favor. Kind of a gunslinger, if you know what I mean. I think Clifford is headed to the PS, unless MLF keeps 3 QBs on the 53. I love LVN's speed and ability to get to the QB. I do not mind a "run through the guy" pass rusher, when he is on the field. Wyatt will be fine under Jeff Hafley. Turn the beast loose and opposing QBs won't know what to do with the ball, with our DL bearing down on them. If Sean Rhyan is having trouble with his conditioning, why are they playing him all over the OL? Can't they bench him and work to get him on a program to improve his stamina? Is he the second coming of Eddie Lacy, or something? Never met a buffet table he could not clear off? At least we got two solid years out of Lacy. I'd be happy to get one good year out of Rhyan, at this point. Let's go, Rhyan! It's time to show up!

As to defensive hustle, I think Reggie and LeRoy demanded it. Does GB have enough of those “attitude” guys now? I’d say Clark, Gary, Walker, and McKinney fit that mold, and I think Bullard, Wyatt, LVN, Cooper, Bullard, and Williams do as well. Some early season success on D would go a long way to cementing that approach too.

My two cents. First, LeFleur knows who signs his checks. Thus he favors Gutts higher picks with more play time thinking the later can be p squad.
Second, by now, time to get off the pot and pick a kcker. It aint that hard, Carlson hasnt improved.
I like de's who bull rush fine great. If the schem is everyone does it, any qb will pick you apart with donks over the middle all day long. Bull rush isnt a plan.
If Pratt is better passer why isnt he getting play time? See one above.
PS Vikes may need a good young QB, pratt could be the key for them. He aint clearing waivers folks

Dubose -
DuBose has really shined. He not only is looking to get a spot on the 53, he is looking to get playing time. We still have time but he really has really flashed. While I think Melton is the number 5 right now, there is definitely time for that to change.

LVN -
I can't wait to see LVN in this defense.

Wyatt -
Just like LVN, I can't wait to see Wyatt in this defense.

Pratt -
Pratt definitely has a better arm. Obviously Clifford is a lot farther ahead in knowing the offense. Right now I don't know who will be the number 2, but if Pratt isn't the number 2 I think he is on the 53.

Rhyan -
It makes sense now why he hasn't taken the next step. But I feel like Rhyan has performed well overall. I think he will be one of the main backup interior guys.

Getting your kicks -
Honestly. i'm more concerned with the long snapper. Most of the conversation has been about the 2 kickers. But none of it has been about the long snapping. Last year a lot of the kicks that Carlson missed were on attempts that the snap was terrible. Whoever wins the kicking battle, we need someone that is more consistent snapping the ball.

We've heard this before -
I feel the difference is the coach. I feel like Pettine and Barry could talk the talk, but when it came time to walk the walk, they weren't the guys. I feel like Hafley is. I just have that feeling that Hafley is the guy. But to go along with what Al said. the defense is filled with faster guys who can fly to the ball. We have 3 safety's that haven't played a snap in the NFL yet. (real games). And yet they might already be better then almost any safety we have had since Collins. We have a young group of ILB's that can absolutely fly. Also the defensive front isn't asked to take up blocks. they are asked to fly to the ball.

This is the time of year where I start to pick my favorites to make the 53. Should I pick opposite of my favorites because that's what the Packers always seem to do?

Are my instincts and evaluations so far off the mark? That may be true except I keep remembering the season that they started with Hansen and Newman as part of their best five starting in the first game.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Wyatt and the rest of the Packers' front can be excellent disruptors and carry it through four quarters if that's what they're coached to do. The nagging question, as always, is are they going to be disciplined and stout enough to hold up against the run for long stretches? So while I applaud the new defensive style (it's a long time coming!), I'll suspend judgment until they fill in the cracks with the run defense. So far so good against Cleveland, though, where they only allowed 2.7 yards per carry.

"I would have liked to seen Pratt given the opportunity to run the four minute offense."

I felt the same way. However, if you want to see teams play good aggressive football until the game ends, all they need is a simple change of rules. Bring total points into the equation as one of the tie breakers to be considered for playoffs when the wins/losses are identical.

All of the 'pundits' saying we should trade for a "true #1 WR" are ignoring the obvious trade possibility: Cowboys trade CeeDee Lamb to San Francisco for Brandon Aiyuk.
And yes, I am being facetious/sarcastic.