Couldn’t agree more with Aaron Jones quote.

Perfect Al...I really don't have much to add...

As bummed out as I am about the 2022 Packers, I don't really have my hopes up they'll turn it around. Other than MLF being UNABLE to adjust, and Rodgers reverting to "Hero Ball", Joe Barry is the one I'm going to watch for the rest of this season. What I mean by that is do they allow Barry to be this year's Mo Drayton and wait until the end of the season to shit-can him, or do they cut their losses soon, and try to salvage the season because they WILL NOT WIN with Joe Barry.

All one needs to do is watch where he's playing Rasol Douglas. Douglas is around 6'2" 209 Lbs, and they have him in the slot. Douglas isn't a slot defender! He's an outside CB, a pretty damn good one, especially in a zone defense. What's been happening isn't working and it's just not that hard. Play Alexander in the slot or hell, move Savage around as they did at the end of 2020, and play him closer to the LOS. Douglas and Stokes are outside CBs, end of story! That's just one thing and I could go on and on.

Get rid of Barry if he doesn't change it up THIS week. Right now one of the biggest homers of the GBP has doubts, serious doubts if they can beat the NY Jets. There's something I didn't think I'd say after 5 weeks of the 2022 season and a basically healthy team.

And for Gods sake...Run the damn ball!!!

The next two weeks they play turnover machines at QB and have a chance to turn around that differential. All the teeth gnashing about offense and defense won't mean anything without getting more of them.

My sentiments exactly!. Nicely done. Glad we have Aaron Jones,
Perhaps we use him this week!

Ayahuasca -
I just find it how this is what everyone talks about now with Rodgers.

Giants have Heart -
Jones is not a great QB, but he played really well. He was taking shots and still standing in there and firing away. His throws were on the money too. Give them credit. They fought.

Bad Barry -
Barry coaches scared. He is afraid to not give up a big play that he prevents his defense to play aggressively. I was watching a lot of the all 22 clips that people posted on twitter yesterday. And especially on the crossing route plays and others, every DB was 8-10 yards off the ball. When they would get to about 15 or more yards for a first down, they are that far off. The offense would throw a simple slant or whatever and get 8-10 yards.
Barry needs to change his ways.

One INT -
When you sit deep and allow catches underneath, it is pretty impossible to catch anything.

Good Morning/Bad Day -
I was in a pissy mood all day sunday. I don't want any more London games.

Sorry Amari -
I don't know what Rodgers can do at this point to amend himself. He was removed from KR. He fumbled the PR. I really have been pulling for Rodgers cuz I thought he was going to be a really good piece used on offense. I thought he was going to be our gadget type guy. Used on jet motion and whatnot.
My question is who is going to be our returner if they decide to not use Rodgers anymore? KR they could potentially elevate Goodson. For PR, maybe Cobb? I wouldn't be surprised if they looked to bring in some guys that do returning.

So predictable -
The 3 plays I knew was going to be crushed all week. I hated it as well. Not that it was passing, that it was all based on them not using their RBs at all in those 3 plays.
Now that being said, the first throw to Lazard should have been an illegal contact and first down. Lazard got ran into and that is why he couldn't get to the ball. There were about 4 of those that should have been called against the Giants. Funny how the officials had no problem calling penalties on Douglas, but swallowed their whistles on the Giants DB's.

Timeout on Fourth and Two? -
I wish they wouldn't have wasted a timeout earlier in the half so they could have used it there.

Two Plays to get Two Yards - I don't really have much to add to this:
The final play would have worked had they A - ran it with Dillon. or 2 thrown it to Doubs. Either of those options would have worked.

Al, your points are spot on as usual.

I’ve made my points about the Giants game on the other threads here earlier this week.

I’m just going to state that if the Packers don’t respond this week against the Jets then I’m afraid we’ll know where we’re at with this team and it won’t be good.

Jones quote sums up the entire mess perfectly.
Thanks, Since ‘61

I will probably get slammed for this but I am wondering if the use of drugs affects Rodgers coordination and with mixture of age combined. He never used to miss passes by so much especially the short passes he seems to be throwing so wide and short often. And the "hero ball" overthrown so often. Can that really be blamed on the WR speed?

I was discouraged to read an article on here last week that explained Barry's approach to playing defense, and it sounded just like Mike Pettine's. The Packers' first choice for DC in the off-season was Wisconsin's DC Jim Leonhard, who is now their interim head coach. Here is a description of his style from Sports Illustrated: "Leonhard is widely regarded as one of the top defensive coordinators in all of college football. While he utilizes a base 3-4 scheme, his defense deploys various fronts, with a 2-4-5 design regularly used against pass-heavy teams. Leonhard is known for using an array of stunts and blitz packages to aggressively attack offenses while leaving his defensive backs in man-to-man coverage. That is not to say he does not use zone coverage ever, but Leonhard uses a lot of movement and misdirection to keep offenses guessing, regardless of the coverage."

Makes you wonder what might have been. I also can't help but wonder why Leonhard turned them down. Maybe he could see that he had a good chance at becoming head coach at Wisconsin someday. Or maybe there was something about the Packers organization that he didn't like. We may never know.

No Capers wouldn’t know what to do this group. He stunk. The 1 INT says it all. There are No heroes this year. And Savage isn’t the FS we need. He’s a bust! Alexander should be the FS. (ESPECIALLY in passing situations! ) And Douglass should be the CB again. Amari Rodgers needs to go. He’s in the way of Toure!

Everything has been covered about the debacle in London. I will add something that concerns me and will show up at game time and that is the internal bitching by the players.
I don't think I have see so much complaining by any player this early in the season. After a playoff loss or critical game that really gets under the skin of the player, you see it. Now it's after the 5th. game and players are complaining on both sides of the ball.
MLF needs to start acting more like Vince Lombardi verses the Dallas cheerleaders.
Somebody has to ask the question on what the h___ is going on out there!

The Packers are a SOFT team period!

The Defense sits back in two high because they are AFRAID of getting beat over the top. F that shit Joe Barry!
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!

The Offense is being run by Aaron Rodgers not MLF and since his Shaman experience in Peru Rodgers seems to have lost the fire, he’s just too F’ING chill man.
MLF has to show that it’s his team!

Special Teams are improving but why go through all of the rebuild on Teams including the highest paid ST coach and not get a legit return man!
Can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit!

The Packers need a wake up call!

MLF suck it up buttercup and show who the F’k runs this damn team!

That is all…

Well done Al. I agree with everything you said.

No argument here. We’ve all seen this before with shaman #12 and the “head” cheerleader panicked and In disarray. Same old story with underperforming, unenthusiastic and soft defense under Barry. This team is not as talented as we think, but more talented than they’re playing. It’s barely a team in some respects. That’s on Murphy/Gutekunst. My fear is the office will stick with the coaches and an extremely uncomfortable up and down season with the inevitable melt downs to finish the season.

Al, Great read as always. I agree with everyone's comments on Barry. He is entirely overmatched. We fans don't need to be football experts or have deep understandings about defensive schemes. He coaches a passive defense that the players probably hate. Bend but eventually break.

BTW. In addition to the one interception, they have a grand total of four pass break-ups. Those are numbers you would easily expect from one decent defensive back after five games. This is defensive malpractice.

MLF needs to wake up quickly. The clock is ticking, the window is closing, it is win now...whatever metaphor you want to use there is no time left to let this fester.

You punched the clown right in the nose again, Al. BOOP! It all seems to be a big ol' ball of confusion that leads right to the top.

I'm hopeful (I know that's a poor strategy) for some kind of rebound against the Jets. If we see continuation of soft defense and an offense that forgets how to be successful it'll be time to truly panic.

I've been saying it for 2 years. MLF is the problem. How many times do we need to see the team unprepared, unmotivated, playing only 1/2 a game, not being able to adjust, not fixing things soon enough, etc. If he didn't have a talented team, his record would be terrible. We have the players to do better than what happened in London.

I will continue to watch my team but I've given up on MLF. I've asked before - please prove me wrong. He has not. (yet).

So the question is - how do you fire a coach with his record? Maybe it's tough to do during the season. But I sure hope that MM/Gute can tell him in private that if any of the above happens again this year, he's out. He needs a blow torch on his butt.

For years and years and years, this team has played with a complete lack of care for the run game, on both sides of the ball. Just pass and stop the pass. Completely ignore an entire phase of football on both sides. And what this really means is they cant be bothered to try and control the line of scrimmage. This is what happens when you treat analytics like a religion. Their experiment of trying to cheat the system has failed repeatedly. And it doesnt appear to be changing anytime soon because they cant address the problem when they refuse to recognize what the problem is. Maybe if we just execute better..... Nope.

Well whatever he's taking we know that it hasn't treated his (Rodgers) severe and chronic case of hero-ball-itis - which is an incessant need to be the on-field center of attention - despite all and everyone else.

Spot on Al! I was anxious to get your take on the NY Giants game and you nailed it! When will we ever have a Offense/Defense that is FEARED by other teams, we always play "nice" I'm not looking for dirty football I'm looking for players with a chip on their shoulders who know how to bring the heat! MLF seems very passive, he said after last years playoff loss to SF he needed deeply look into fixing things, yet you never see much change he seems to just let things linger until it becomes a problem later, just like with special teams last year. Please remind me again why it was such a great idea to bring back Rodgers at the expense of mortgaging our future, please make fool of my statement, but if they bomb again there going to be taking A LOT of HEAT in Green Bay in the off season! Go Pack, Go!

Third and two, fourth and two: The usual lack of imagination or anything that would catch the defense off guard. MLF and AR need to study Andy Reid and Mahomes; for instance, they use shovel passes quite a bit deep in the red zone. You try a short one to Dillon on either of those two downs, and he slams through not only for a first down, but maybe pushes his way to the goal line.

Next time don't hold back, Al!

Great writing and sound analysis. I do believe ML can be a good OC, but his judgement seems to become knee jerk and panicked when the opponent hits him in the mouth. As a HC, he is content delegating HC coaching duties to the DCs. It seems the real GM of the Packers, Murphy, is content too.

I also don't know how often Murphy is micro-managing the Packers football operation with his management by committee with him as final decision maker, but I believe it is considerable. It can create discordant decisions and needless interference.

Many of us are so frustrated because the talent on this team is very good.

Two of the best RBs in the NFL so pass 2/3rds of the plays?
Draft and sign 3 very good cover corners then have them play soft zone?
Promise to play the best 5 OL players then continue to play with a weak link (Newman) and play Jenks at T when his ACL recovery is best served at G.
Supposedly loaded in the front 7 but only rush 4 and go into battle with only 4 DL players against a heavy run team? Big boys' tongues were hanging out in the 4th qtr!
Force in Rodgers as a returner when he clearly is not NFL material right now?

Do you think the locker room isn't seeing this dysfunction just 5 games in...knowing they could easily be 0-5?

Some coaches can fire up their guys. Dan Campbell was laughed at when he said he wanted "knee biters" on his team. Now, the Lions may not have a lot of talent, but they play with heart and determination, every game. The Packers have lacked that fire for years. It starts with the HC, but how about the QB leading by example? Watch Brady when a game is on the line. He is active, yelling, cajoling, trying to get guys fired up and ready to play. Then watch Rodgers, as he watches the game slip away, and simply stands and shakes his head, as if he has nothing to do with the team's fate.
As far as Barry goes, how many times will it take before the Packers realize that saving money by hiring second rate coaches leads to bad results? This year, the team broke down and actually hired (and paid for) the top-notch ST's coach, Rich Bisaccia. The result? A unit that had been terrible suddenly is the most dependable unit on the field. What are they saving their money for, expanding the "fan experience" by building more? Win some SB's. That would be the greatest gift any team could give their fans.
Finally, yes, time to cut ties with Amari Rodgers. The team made a mistake, Rather than having him taking up a space that could be used for a productive player, let him go, and hopefully, a change of scenery might make him a viable player. Carolina just got rid of their coach, because he couldn't produce. Why wait?

The Packers are getting boring to watch. I never thought I would say that with Rodgers at QB.

It is getting pretty tough to watch the packers play a good first half and then watch the other half after our opponent has made adjustments and we don't have an answer to those adjustments. To me this means P P coaching and an inability to coach.

If you look back to Barry last year, I think he coached pretty well which was a surprise based on his coaching history. The defense played well, especially after we lost our best CB for the year. We picked up an ILB, who turned out to be excellent, took a CB off of the AZ practice squad and he was terrific and all looked great in Packerland.

Fast forward to this year. We have all those guys back plus Alexander, a first round ILB, a first round DL player, signed a DL free agent and you have to believe some of the younger guys from a year ago would also 'take a step' this year. So all would appear to be rosy for us. But not so fast. As a poster mentioned earlier 'what the H___ is going on out there?' We are not going to take it anymore. I think big changes need to happen if we are going to be a good post season team.

After watching Leroy Butler with this article

https://www.jsonline.com/videos/sports/nfl/packers/2022/10/12/leroy-butl...

why don't the packers hire hall of Famer Leroy butler as defensive backs coach? clearly, the current coach is not Communicating how to defend. I think Leroy would do a much better job.

Get used to it folks. The Packers will be 6-6 the rest of the way and that is being generous. Disagree? Think they can beat Buffalo and Philly, the likely Super Bowl contenders? Can they beat the Vikings? Probably not. The Cowboys are much improved. They play the Rams and Miami. Both of those games could go either way. I'm certain they will drop one of the games to the Lions.

They likely will win games against Washington, Chicago, Detroit and Tennessee.

Then comes the Jets this Sunday. The Jets are much better. We might all be crying in our Point beer this Sunday.