"After all the preseason talk about how "hungry" this team is, I'd say the Packers looked like they ate themselves into a stupor and couldn't get off the couch." You nailed it, Al! Thanks for the laugh.

You know that the Packers had a miserable horrible game when Special Teams ( ! ) is the lone bright spot on the day.

"61% of CHTV readers chose struggle. CHTV readers are smart."

Hmmm... I'm in that 39% who didn't think it would matter BUT I based my vote on last year. Last year they came out scoring 43, 42 and then 37 points against the Saints. What a FOOL I was for believing what the Packers leaders and coaches were saying .

This Monday against the Lions the Packers SHOULD score 35 to 40 points IMO. They should be able to RUN and pass the ball with ease against THAT defense.Now if that happens the absolute LAST thing I want to see is any smugness from the Packers players. Lets just cut the smug OUT, and put the FOCUS faces in. Games faces the rest of the year or at least until the taste of an ass whooping from Jamis Winston, WR's, a D-Line, and Secondary like that is washed out.

Hint to Packers... That won't be washed out until FEBRUARY!!

Once again, thanks for your thoughts. My is not much different. What I believe is that Aaron Rodgers had his game plan and he just dismissed what was agreed and planned by coaches. I also believe MLF is afraid to admit that publicly and to complain to AR because he is afraid to lose AR for this season. We knows, and MLF is much more informed about that Jordan Love can play, but it is still at least one year away to be leader of the offense with no questions about. Also, he can be afraid not to spoil nice progression Jordan Love is doing with premature starting. Why I believe that can be the case? Because, when Jordan Love replaced AR, offense suddenly started to move the ball. And I believe because that team plan was executing by JL, not by Aaron Rodgers plan...

I believe Packers will win game against Lions (Lions have huge problems with injuries, mora than Saints, as I read), but the problem will not disappear with that win. Also, Aaron Rodgers has huge problem with Tampa 2 D, and every team who applied that kind of D (and have at least OK talent on D) can count on win against AR. The first who noticed that was KC in 2011, when Packers were undefeated until the worst team that season did not apply that kind of D. Every other team who produce that kind of D won against Packers while they were under AR.

That is what I saw in the AR era and I might be wrong, because of my limited football knowledge...

"Rodgers - This had to be the most inaccurate I can remember Rodgers. Maybe he should have taken a football with him to Hawaii?"

Well he did take antivaxxer Miles Teller to Hawaii. So it seams like he's been surrounded by inaccuracies for a while.

Pick, Pick, Pick. It's not going to inspire Rodgers at all. Pushing change isn't going to bring you a winner. Yet thats exactly what the problem is. You keep talking up Love. The Fire will spread. So now everybody thinks the OL did just great, now that PFF grades are in. So lets change this whole team if it worked on the OL. Lets Do the same to the DL. Start Clayton and move Raji (Clark) outside. After seeing this team give up; 2 of the 5 TDs quickly. Who wants to tackle in the secondary? It isn't Savage. If it works for this OL. Maybe it needs to happen in the secondary. That way you'll get off Kings back. The problem isn't snap counts. It 's who can tackle. For The last 10 years: Why do the Lbs on other teams always have more tackles then the Packers? Any great RB will break this defense. So whats next for this Team? Follow the Blueprint. Praise Gute.

🤨 That game was just crap, the Packers were out coached and of course outplayed. They weren’t ready mentally or physically and could never recover. They got their pants pulled down in front of the whole school and got their lunch money taken!

🧻 Flush that turd, take a deep breath and move on!

🤔 ok we all know that, so what is going to happen Monday Night?

The Packers are going to woop some fucking ass!

That is all….
ND 👁

Not many bright spots in this game which is disappointing for a season opener. We have seen this type of game a handful of times in the LaFleur tenure and that is worrisome. He gets so badly outcoached and out schemed that the game is lost before the half. There is little in-game response or adjustment to the situation which should tell us something. The Packers have a MVP QB, stable of WRs, TEs and RBs and nothing could be done to chip away at the lead? Something is wrong here and that needs to change.

In true Packer tradition our defense is bad - a carryover from last season. Everyone likes Joe Barry's energy but energy doesn't overcome weak D-line play and confused secondary. It will be difficult to overcome the skill gaps and poor organization of resources. The Saints treated our D like preseason tryout players and took anything that they wanted. Very disappointing.

There is a lot of season ahead BUT teams know right now that the Packers can be run over and that Rodgers's tendencies are still his ceiling.

I am most worried about the defense. While neither side showed much energy, the defense just looked confused and out of position most of the game. I hope this is not a harbinger of things to come. The Joe Barry hire bothered me when it happened (lousy resume) and the first game reinforced that concern. If the defense doesn't show up strongly against Detroit, the Barry hire has the potential to sink the season.

Starters should have gotten some pre season snaps , practicing in shorts and no pads just isn’t enough . Now it’s gonna take several games for the Packers to find themselves.

I totally agree with Jersey Al about the defense. How many years have we had to watch them get owned by physical teams? To damn many! Neither Gute or TT seemed inclined to get tough guys; getting smaller-fast or lanky-skinny DBs, not addressing the ILB, and using soft Northwestern guys on the DL. How about drafting a Kam Chancellor type instead of a 184 lb. safety? Or a tough, aggressive ILB? Just once, Gute, please! When your most intimidating defender is a 190 pound cover CB, you know you’re in trouble.

Offense -
The offense looked slow. Looked out of sync. It looked like the Saints knew what was coming. Rodgers was slow getting the ball out and it brought back shades of 2018.

Defense -
One of the things LaFleur talked about wanting with his defense was for his CB's to be up pressing WR's. He wanted them being aggressive. And then the game comes and you see the CB's playing 10+ yards off the ball again. What's old is new again.

Rodgers -
At least Rodgers explained what happened to his first interception. Maybe getting double nutted was a good wake up call for him. I believe that after last year's off season Rodgers felt he didn't need to put in the work he normally did in the past. I guess he forgot that last year no one had the offseason, but this year everyone did.

The Game Plan -
Almost no motion, no creativity. Its a good time for LaFleur to look at what happened and realize the game plan was flawed. And just because you get down, does not mean you can't be creative.

Panic. -
Not going to lie. I really didn't panic at half time either. Scoring right before half, I thought there was a realistic chance they would be within 7 after the first drive of the 2nd half. And then Rodgers takes a double nut shot and the route is on.

DL -
Heflin should be playing ahead of Lancaster. Its as simple as that. Lancaster has not been as good as his rookie year. Heflin looks like he is easily the better option.

Who killed Kenny? -
Kind of catching onto a theme. Perhaps the weather did have more of an impact then we want to admit? The whole team looked sluggish.

Bohorquez -
He was fine. Probably the most consistent player on the team.

Bright spot -
Special Teams weren't horrible. I like Kylin Hill, but I would much rather see Rodgers back there returning kicks.

Nice guys -
To be fair. How many teams in the league have players like that?

Brady -
Rodgers definitely is no Brady. I saw comments of Rodgers separating himself from the team on the sidelines. IF that continues this will make for a long, long year.

Maybe this could be a bright Packer spot, Cam Jordan All pro 6 times I think was held by the defense to no tackles and 2 QB hits the whole game! That seems to be one D win.

Ok, I continue to read the same responses over and over since the game has been played. Let’s turn the page. It’s only one game. Have we laid eggs in the past? YES!. The only difference it wasn’t the first game of the year. Quite frankly, I’d rather it be the first game and I believe there is a very good reason for it , which is fixable.

Was it stupid not to play your starting Defense with a new coordinator during the pre-season, YES! Was it stupid for Rodgers to vacation all Summer and miss OTAs, YES! Will we get better? History with Rodgers says……YES! Now, lets RELAX and move on…..!

I was at the game and had the pleasure of watching the clown show with 20/20 vision.
I now believe Lancaster and Lowry are actually overweight D-Backs, considering most of their tackles are made 10-yds from the line of scrimmage.

I think we have to ask questions of the coaching. There is no excuse for starting a season flat. If Rodgers is to be believed, they thought it would be a breeze on O. In what universe is any NFL game a gimme? After umpteen years as a pro, am I the only one who finds that a staggeringly idiotic frame of mind?

I’m starting to worry that what the off season and last dance scenario has done has made Rodgers uncoachable: just free to do what he wants due to the absence of any control. Alternatively, LaFleur has been influenced by Rodgers or the hype around this O. Either way, that was a game plan that looked poor and yet again gave up on the obvious ploy of running Dillon when he started with near 5 ypc and kept the ILBs busy. Deja Vu. Was it LaFleur or Rodgers or both. I’m not as sure as Al that it was all Rodgers. It was still damning to repeat the same mistake yet again. Someone needs to take LaFleur aside for his and our own good.

Shailene Woodley = Yoko Ono

Allow me to put all you NEGATIVE fans at ease.

Take week one and think of it as what the old preseason week three game was about, finding the necessary adjustments when your starters played, though only for a half. The real season starts week two with the original 16 game slate beginning. Yes, the week one game counts, unlike the preseason previously mentioned, it's a game that could be forgotten about, to a point, and have little effect on the record at the season's end as to playoff seeding.

We all know the Packers will be in the playoffs, it's what happens in the playoffs that have been crushing, and maybe this is the playoff bust game come early. That's too optimistic for me but should help erase the angst /disgust many are feeling today.

Your welcome.

🤨 ANGER - GRIEF- ACCEPTANCE

😎 ok I’m over it

👊 let’s take it out on the Lions Monday Night!
Let’s kick some kitty’s! 🙀

Go Pack

ND 👁

"After all the preseason talk about how "hungry" this team is, I'd say the Packers looked like they ate themselves into a stupor and couldn't get off the couch."

Quote of the week. Good one. But as far as fearing getting hit by somebody, perhaps Amos. Though he came over from the Bears, where there is a culture of "knock them on their butts", not "pat them on the butts after a good play against us."

"Same as it even was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was.", - David Byrne

If this team had actual SB aspirations, they wouldn't have hired Joe Barry. Case Closed.

I never say I feel what Rodgers feels but I felt double nut sacked watching the game

Good summary, Al.

I thought the players and Matt LaFleur seemed to take the shellacking they got from the Saints as if it were no big deal. They should be jumping up and down and I wouldn't mind a little swearing thrown in. I was totally pissed with everything and wished I could see a little of that emotion from them. Hearing Rodgers say it was only one game and there are 16 games left was sickening. What I would like to have him say it was his fault and he should have been there with his players during the off season workouts rather than chasing around in Hawaii. Well, as Forest Gump said..."That about it".

how does this team turn it around when their leader is making excuses and blaming the defense for the loss? you can turn shit around when you have a leader. this team does not. the finger pointing and the excuses are starting already. the sad part is, that rodgers is just hurting his own legacy. the same legacy he was so damn worried about when he was demanding to be more involved in the packers decisions, thats the legacy he is fucking up all by himself now. i was on his side all offseason, because i thought hed come in here guns blazing and prepared. he did the opposite, and he looks ike a fucking asshole. and instead of owning it, hes making bullshit excuses on his buddy pat macafees horse shit show.

RELAX?

I do understand its' context and its' intended implications for the Packers but . . .

Unfortunately the Top 30 players were allowed to " Relax " during the Pre - Season instead of getting some practice game time and perfecting their timing, rhythms and skill sets against live opposing teams, be they vanilla schemes played against opponents, 1st, 2nd or 3rd stringers.

The Saints weren't relaxed, they came hard, ripe and ready to play a 60 minute slugfest against a team full of starters who for the most part watched the Pre-Season from the sidelines rather than getting game readying reps.

Spot on, Al. Matt LF has no excuses for the Fiasco In Florida.

This is his work agenda this week:

1) 4 hour live practices in full pads and lots of hitting.(probably not allowed). No red shirts for the QB's.

2) A frank discussion with Mr. Man Bun. You in or you out? He should be sitting on the practice squad soon.(With hopes another team claims him like Washington). Problem solved.

3) A frank discussion with Joe Barry. Are you a defensive coordinator or a sub for Ronald McDonald?

4) A frank discussion with Kevin King. Are you a defensive back or are you working for Door Dash?

5) A frank discussion in the mirror with Matt LF. Are you a coach/boss or simply a cheerleader?

Vince Lombardi is spinning in his grave.

Pessimist, or should I say realist, says Packers, Murphy, LaFleur, Hackett, Turner, Bahk fulfilling enemy year.

Optimist says TB lost to Saints 38-3 too last year (well into the season, 11-08-20) and won the Super Bowl.

Apparently NFCG wasn't rock bottom for Kevin King, so bench him for a rookie to throw salt in the wounds. Given he's in a contract year again (for another team I'll assume) perhaps he'll find dignity to play his way back on the field to avoid earning the vet minimum for the rest of career.

I am absolutely astonished by Jersey Al. Finally, Finally, he spoke truth and wisdom and laid it on the line !!! Thank you Al !! The hard truth!!

Lastly, I heard Marr Lafleur said, paraphrasing that hopefully this azz whooping will get us motivated? After losing to Tampa Bay in the NFL championship game at HOME wasn't enough? Or, all the other heartbreaking games we've endured. Horrible, maybe the Packers against Detroit maybe, but SF. is gonna kick our butter if this team doesn't get serious fast!!!!

The offense has too many talented players at the skill positions to continue to play as poorly as they did in the opening game.
This ongoing concept that Rodgers is changing MLF's plays and game plan has reached the point of an absurd conspiracy theory which only comes up when the Packers lose a game. They are 28-8 since MLF took over and most of those losses were bad losses which should not be blamed on any one player, (e.g, the 38-10 loss to Tampa in 2020 and the NFCCG loss the SF 37 -20). The entire team including the coaches failed in those games just like against NO this past Sunday.

If we're going to blame the losses on Rodgers for his alleged subversion then we need to credit him only for the 28 wins, which is ridiculous.

Putting the banal conspiracy theory and the NO game behind us my concerns are with the defense because they showed nothing different under Barry than they have in the past. In fact they looked worse. No sense of urgency, weak hitting, lack of a pass rush and totally confused and out of position. I don't care what Barry's scheme is. These are professional football players, you rally to the football and you make the play. It's still a matter of shedding blocks and making solid tackles. The defense was totally overmatched from the opening drive.

I realize that we are in a different era but the game is still about blocking and tackling. As Coach Lombardi said "the team that tackles better and blocks better will win the game.' That is as true today sit was in the '60s. The Packers did neither against the Saints.

The Packers need to get past depending on Rodgers for everything and the fans need to get past the idea that it matters who calls the plays, whether it's MLF or Rodgers. It is the execution of the play that matters. It makes no sense to think that if MLF calls the play it would work while if Rodgers changes the play it will not work. Neither will work if the OL, QB, RBs and the receivers don't do they jobs. The result of the play and the QB play are the output of OL play regardless who calls the play and who the coach and QB are. Football 101.

Time to move on and beat the Lions. WE are a better team than we showed against NO. GPG! Thanks, Since '61

It's not effort it's a lack of talent on D. I don't understand the lack of effort excuse. Does anyone really think King or Lowry or Lancaster or Sullivan weren't trying? They were, they're just not any good. That's four holes on defense. Then you look at a few others; Cambell, P. Smith, Keke, Gary... any future all-pros here? And please don't say Gary, we're still waiting in year three.

One great CB, one good but overrated defensive lineman, and two decent safeties doesn't make for a great D.

This is a bad defense on a talent level. Add in a clueless DC and what we saw is what we'll be seeing against good teams. I have no idea how they will stop any of those high-powered teams. Gute and his Sancho Panza MLF, better open their eyes, there really are giants out there and not just windmills they're fighting.

Not sure why ever is so surprised, what I saw in preseason is what I saw on Sunday ( and the last 10 plus years). Packers no edge, beat up in the trenches, and when Rodgers has a bad game also it’s blow out city. It’s just that Rodgers only has about 3 -4 of those a year. The rest of the team does it 16 games.( yet the blame Rodgers crowd if twice as vocal, because screaming makes you right( Damn I should of said that in all caps) ) The positive was special teams weren’t awful.

The coaching staff are a worry; everybody is on the same page. We need someone who is not on the page - who is pointing out that our game plan is poor, the calls are bad and predictable and that we can't react to what is in front of us. Our H.C. makes these bland comments about "finding ways to get him[whoever him is?] the ball" just call some bloody plays where he gets the ball rather than lamenting later. "I've got to do better" is a nothing comment. I've got to use A.J.Dillon more or bench Rogers or Adams are comments.
I'm sick of the crap - just play

I wonder how much of it was lafleur gameplan or if it was Rodgers changing it on the fly to just passing plays and trying to be the hero??