Credit where credit is due, Corey, and this is so on point.

For most of my life I thought turnovers was the metric most glaring in the stat column in determining which team will win or lose a football game. I was wrong. There's a Vegas metric that is more accurate as an indicator, which I will keep more closely guarded at this point. But, I like where you are going with your premise, quite a lot, and for a number of reasons.

With Favre - Rodgers transition in Green Bay, we went from gunslinger who wanted to win football games and Super Bowls at just about any cost to careful stat piler who wanted to win MVPs at any cost (I cannot recall a single time in AR's career with the Packers that his number 1 goal at the beginning of a season was to win a Super Bowl). Favre and Rodgers shared one common factor nonetheless. Both approaches killed Super Bowl chances for our team. Squashed them like the best mashie you might grind with your foot upon a friend's golf ball.

Favre was too reckless with a good number of his devil may care throws. Rodgers was too reckless in pursuing his own personal glory & accolades to win MVPs. Both shared a penchant for throwing the football, without a care for quality RBs behind them who deserved more opportunities to carry the load to - team - wins. Favre made more great throws by taking chances. Rodgers made plenty of great throws, but he too often erred on the side of his own completion percentage vs. allowing his WRs to win contested catches. Just think of how many times Rodgers avoided both the middle of the field, and wide open WRs he felt were lesser players than Davante Adams or Jordy Nelson.

I am appreciating, more than anything in this, Jordan Love's willingness to allow the full complement of WRs in his arsenal the chance to make plays. He's definitely been giving his receivers the opportunity to win contested catches. He's maturing, right in front of our eyes, and it is a process that takes time. I have zero doubts that he will improve as the season progresses.

Just work to give him more time. Looking at Dusty's film work there's always someone open if he can just get another click of time. Try moving the pocket, run some draws, screens, RPOs, play action, anything to make the D have to honor something for another half second.

I don't mind him taking a few chances if the game is on the line, but I don't want him hanging the receivers out to dry on a regular basis either.

Just a click of time. That's all he needs. There's not only one guy is open, Dusty showed us that almost always there was some other option open on those plays too given time.

I didn't know anyone kept track of so-called turnover-worthy throws. Those percentages seem really high to me. They must have low standards for judging a throw to be turnover-worthy.

I don't understand the significance of the stat about how much time QBs have in the pocket. Is this supposed to mean that Love has poor protection? Seems like it's pretty decent to me. Maybe it just means that he's getting rid of the ball more quickly than most other QBs. It sure doesn't feel that way when I watch the games. I really don't know what to make of this stat.

At any rate, I generally agree with Corey here. Watching the game on Sunday, I was thinking how glad I was to be the fan of the team whose QB was slinging it around as opposed to the QB who was playing safe but unable to generate much of a passing offense. Jordan Love does need to dial it back a little, but not TOO much.

So many coaches and so many different ways to do things to so many people.

For me. I just want Love to eliminate the dumb mistakes. I'm fine with taking chances. It just the dumb throws that I want him to get rid of. He has had a few interceptions that purely weren't his fault. The one last week Melton falls down. The one against the Vikings it is going to Doubs, but whatever reason Musgrave tries leaping and catching it, deflects it and it hits off of Doubs hands and right into the defender.

Cory, you open up a very interesting topic! I don't have clear opinion, and am swayed by the opinions above, T7, GG and Oppy. Adding more questions than opinion at this point....
1. Agreed that the boldness to keep attacking is better than becoming timid and risk averse. Especially after a critical interception.
2. Some of those turnovers were either errors on WR (bounce off hands, slips) or very fluky worse case luck. But still, that turnover rate isn't a sustainable trend and won't support a winning bid to the superbowl especially in a tough division and the likely opponents are driven by strong defense. Both Minnepo and Detro apply a lot of pressure on the QB.
3. Yes, I think the Oline still is underperforming even if the stats aren't that bad. They aren't that bad because MLF has to scheme so much to counter the opposing pass pressure. Don't know what other solution there is given current personnel and coach.
4. Generally teams begin the first half of the season conservative, and start opening up the playbook and perhaps risk taking later in the season. Hmm, I have no problem taking a bit more risk early in the season, experimenting and innovating. Fans have lamented for a long time, the seamingly passive approach to game plans. I kind of like what I see in creativety....even the frequent use of end-arounds....can create a lot of opps for deception later in the year.
5. The ground game is really promising. Still frustrating to some degree with the run blocking, but can only get better the more the packers run it.
6. With the impressive talent of 5 WRs and 1-2 TE, while none are the top tier WRs, the packers should be able to exploit defensive matchups better, and have a killer antidote for the blitzes. No doubt defenses are really disguising those blitzes. Tough...but who can counter it better than a team that has 5 reliable targets in critical downs? Maybe that is the risk you take, know where you are going with the pass when they blitz and make them pay until they back off. That is where the INTs have to be reduced. If you can't make them pay....and they are rewarded with INTs, then opponents will ramp up that pressure and packers can kiss this year goodbye... and will have a nice winning record but sit dead bottom of the NFC North. GB will have to stay on the edge, take risk...but they have to scheme shrewedly in those risks. No seat-of-your pants improvising when facing our upcoming division rivals in particular.

Look forward to other opinions. Thanks again, CJ

I have to say I enjoy watching Love much more than I enjoyed watching Rodgers lock on to Adams and then throw the ball away to keep his interception total low.

What I like about Love, is he forgets the last play. Kind of has the CB mentality. Was at the game on Sunday, and he just totally telegraphed that first pick. Other than that he made some sensational throws, even though a couple of them were dropped, and another one or two were challenging catches that the receiver just couldn't come up with.

All goes back to complementary football. The defense balled out and kept the Pack in the game despite the picks and bone headed ST play. As far as time in the pocket, the Texans have had a good pressure percentage this year. I thought for the most part the OL did OK.

GB made the plays in crunch time holding them to a FG on the last drive, and taking it down to secure the win. All 3 phases did their job in the last few minutes. So much more confidence in this team in crunch time, than I've had in the last 2 or 3 seasons. I for one, was shocked the Texans threw it on 3rd down at there at the end. Just gifted GB with a time-out to use.

This ain't marbles or chess or go fish: this is FOOTBALL.

I liken #10 to my favorite cereal: Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs. #4, to me is like Quaker Oats and #8....well Grape Nutz (or Fruit Loops).

Now, so I don't get obese and have my one good tooth rot inside my head....I will switch to something healthier during the week.

But, on game days...give me Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs! #2, me likey...he reminds me of a cup of java. He is smooth and keeps me regular and compliments whatever I plan to have at the crack of dawn.

The breakfast of 13 Times World Champions baby!

Yours, until something better comes along,
Burp

“ Love also has 2.59 seconds in the pocket. Aaron Rodgers (2.51) and Kirk Cousins (2.57) are the two starters that are less right now. ”

That information should make everyone step back and ponder. If one wants to know why this O struggles at time, where our Achilles Heel is that undermines our passing game, here it is in a revealing nutshell. It’s one that makes no reference to the run blocking issues and punctures the “O Line is good” myth continually pedaled by fans and team.

Tom, Jenkins and Walker are good to excellent, but the C and RG are consistently not. This has been true for a while. Yet we mess around platooning and refuse to even challenge the C. Rhyan has actually been pretty good for 3 or 4 games? but we are still messing with him. The results are the same year on year.

Until we accept that the facts skewer the myth and on top of continual run blocking issues, mostly from the same positions, we are tying one hand behind our offense’s back. We got rid of one coordinator who was an anchor. We may need to get rid of the other if we want this O to achieve its true potential.

Love had to deal with an aggressive pass rush and he is still wearing a brace which will hamper mobility and accuracy somewhat. He's young and refining his craft. He's the least of my concerns--

Turning the ball over does not help you win games. It ends a possession with 0 points and often gives the opponent a short field. Since the QB handles the ball the most, he's also the person with the most turnovers, either on interceptions or fumbles. I want a guy who will protect the ball when he has it. Look at Willis......he didn't turn it over and the offense hit 30.

Love has a lot of trust in his arm and his receivers, but even he can't throw it through a keyhole 30 yards downfield. That pass to Watson is an example. A foot lower, and Watson maybe gets it. Two feet lower, and the front defender maybe gets it. It's an impossibly tight target 30 yards away....it's like throwing it through the swinging tire. Too tight. I love that he has confidence, but there's a fine line between bold and stupid.

What is job #1 for an NFL QB?

Win the game? Complete passes? Throw TDs? Get first downs?

Coach Matt says it is to "take care of the football". The QB gets the ball on every offensive play, and he must not turn it over.

He also said after Sunday's game, Love's interceptions this year are not all on him. They happen after the HC sends in the play and some calls Matt said he'd like to have back. A few were due to receivers' incorrect routes or not making a catchable pass.

And he said Love also knows which passes were on him and are coaching points to improve decision making...and it starts with taking care of the football. Matt says he's not going to change how Love plays, because he plays as coached. And continuous improvement seems a constant theme for Love.

The 8 INTs are probably more of an anomaly and should return to the mean to end up at around 10-12 for the season.

Meanwhile, the Packers are tied for 3rd fewest fumbles lost after 7 games and are +6 in the TO margin.

I sense many of Loves’ INT’s are unforced errors —or lack of situational awareness—not many have been due to unlucky bounces.
Last year, the INT’s vs the Steelers, Giants, Broncos and during the playoff game against the 9r’s were awful.
On the other hand, I believe your QB must also push the envelope—a safe check down has limited benefits.
What I Love about Love, is his demeanor. He doesn’t appear to be rattled in any situation. I don’t necessarily like his footwork, but he has the arm strength to throw off the back foot.
My supposition—Love is a Stud.
Go Packers!!!

One last comment - there are stats and there are stats - as we saw in last nights game - INT's in the red zone are game killers. INT's near the end of the first half especially if the Pack is kicking off to start the 2nd half can be game killers. Now a 50 yard bomb / INT on 3rd and 15 down to the other team's 20 yard line is like a punt. That is the problem with stats - INT's when the ball bounces off the receivers hands and is a catchable ball - is bad luck as is a batted ball the Oline didnt hold up - I think that there needs to be better nuances to the INT stats. NOT JUST the NUMBER. Last game kinda turned to the worse when our special teams botched the punt. Our special teams have been bigger screw ups this year to date than any of Love's INTs. We fixed the field goal / PAT - now get the punting /KO return team fixed - both ways. And for hecks sake dont return a kickoff for the end zone - seldom does anybody get to the 30 and almost always the blockers get penalized.

With Love, there always is a risk. Even if cupid intercepts a pass of his, I still believe in Love.

To you less informed, I will try to explain it a little differently. Now lean in and listen to Uncle Burp (who has partaken in potentially more, deeply cut life lessons than you all):

If I was a carpenter, and Love was a lady. I would nail him, and we would have a wooden baby.

Hoof hearted,
P Burp

If Love was Rodgers, you'd be on his butt.
I don't believe Love needs to take chances.

He has shown pocket awareness.
And only has to stay to MLF game plan.

But lets get this straight.
Love must trust the talent around him.
They can make him a better QB.

Cory ... You conveniently didnt mention the two home run balls Love tried to throw on the last drive... The second bomb if completed and the packers would have scored a touchdown , Houston would have gotten the ball back with a minute left and three time outs.. Also the last pass to Doubs was clearly over his head and headed ( who knows were ) so yes we all want an aggressive Love but you have to pick your spots. You want be methodical with quick short safe routes in that situation witch were the only passes Love completed.