Cory's Corner: Give Jordan Love Credit

Entering his third season, the Packers backup quarterback remains a mystery. 

There is the high road and there is the road that Jordan Love took, which is about 200 feet above that.

You remember him right? The Packers traded up to pick him 26th overall in the 2020 NFL Draft. His first year, he never suited up. Last year, he started one game and appeared in five more. And then Aaron Rodgers signed his deal to stay in Green Bay. 

“Super happy for Aaron,” said Love on Wednesday. “The dude deserves it, obviously what he has done the last two years. I was happy for Aaron, but at the same time, I was like ah, you know."

We should all appreciate his honesty. Of course Rodgers deserved to stay, but at the same time, Love is a quarterback that is trying to carve out a niche in this league.

Thanks to the three-year, $150.8 million contract extension that Rodgers signed in March, Love knows that his ceiling in Green Bay is as a backup. He also knows that the Packers will unlikely exercise his fifth-year option, which will make him a free agent in 2024.

And I’ve heard time and time again that Love is only average and will never amount to much. But nobody knows that. Davante Adams looked brutal his first two seasons in the league, but he has blossomed into arguably the best wideout in the game. 

The Packers traded up to get Love because they projected him to be a future starter. They know that it might take some time for the Utah State quarterback to get his feet wet and learn the nuances of the game.

Love turns 24 in November. If he wants to have a shot at being a starter down the road, he needs to turn heads this offseason. He has to prove that he can be accurate. He has to prove that he will not wilt under constant pressure. And most importantly, he needs to be a steady leader in the huddle. 

How hungry are teams to find a quarterback? The Raiders recently gave Colin Kaepernick a workout — and he hasn’t taken an NFL regular season snap since 2016.

I don’t think Love will ever be in the upper crust with Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady or Russell Wilson. But I do think he could be better than Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones. That isn’t exactly a Who’s Who of NFL quarterbacks, but it’s a ticket to a starting job playing pro football. 

I give Love so much credit. He knows that Rodgers is light years better than he is. And that’s why he has to treat this summer as his Super Bowl. If he can gel with rookie wideouts and move the chains on third down, be efficient in the red zone and do enough in the fourth quarter to win ball games this preseason, other general managers will take notice. 

The Packers traded up for a reason. He has the physical tools: he’s a gifted runner, he can make off-platform throws and he has a good arm. Now he just needs to put all of those attributes together. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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scoonie_penn's picture

May 28, 2022 at 06:41 am

Gifted runner?

College rushing stats over his 3 years at Utah St,

12G/46att/165yd
13G/43att/63yd
13G/81att/175yd

I always wonder what prompts the gifted runner comments.

The kids got the arm but does he have the eyes, accuracy, timing and intangibles... the jury is still out.

This is year 3, I'd suspect the GB FO knows what they have in Love.

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Guam's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:43 am

"This is year 3, I'd suspect the GB FO knows what they have in Love."

I don't know. I always remember TT's comment that they weren't sure what they had in Rodgers until his breakout game against Dallas in his third year. The Packers simply haven't seen Love in enough games to be certain of what they have. Some guys are gamers and some aren't and I am not sure the Packers would know which Love is yet. Hopefully Love sees lots of pre-season game time and gives all of us a better idea of what he can do.

Cory also seems to be of the opinion that Rodgers will be in GB for three years and Love is a goner. I recall TGR's analysis that concluded that Rodgers' contract is really a series of one year deals and he could retire and/or be cut at any point in the contract without unacceptable damage to the cap. Depending on what happens this year, Love may be needed more than Cory thinks.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:21 pm

They definitely can't cut Rodgers this year or next year without massive cap damage, so Love is an afterthought at this point. They can't pick up his $20 million 5th year option as long as Rodgers is on the team next year and Love has no incentive to stay with the Packers after 2023. Best thing is to trade him next year for whatever you can get and start over with another early round rookie. Picking him was a set up for failure when Rodgers' new deal had just kicked in the year before. The timing was horrible, I just hope they can get something for him.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 30, 2022 at 02:32 am

GB can't release AR in 2023*. They can trade him, and that window is pretty wide. So, it is really important that AR stays reasonably healthy and does not show significant decline in ability in 2022.

* I re-read my article to make sure I didn't goof, either then or now.

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PeteK's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:50 am

I agree he is not a gifted runner. However, I give him more credit there as his 7 rushing TDs in 2018 would attest.

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scoonie_penn's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:00 am

It must have been QB sneaks and dives since he had only 63 yards that season

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Duneslick's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:30 pm

I saw him run all right. He was slow and was looking behind him to see who would catch up to him and tackle him. Gifted runner NOT

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Johnblood27's picture

May 28, 2022 at 06:58 am

Ahhh Corey, I'm not taking the bait today...

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dobber's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:08 am

Winner!

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:14 am

"The world is mud-luscious and puddle-wonderful." - e.e.cummings

And I would add e.e., even better with a backyard and a football and some kids and grown ups on Memorial Day weekend (thank you to all and #40 for this privilege). Hopefully, one of the kids that has been waiting FOREVER on the sidelines gets his chance. He comes in, all 4'3" and 88 lbs of him and throws a back shoulder fade that wins the game. Yep, tossed it to his sister who celebrates the TD with her best Billy White Shoes Johnson dance. Stuff of legends...still talked about in the neighborhood.

Love, you got this! Go, go, gooo.

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egbertsouse's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:21 am

Nobody knows what kind of QB Love will be? Seriously? If the Packer coaches don’t know what they got at this point they should be replaced for incompetence. I think by giving Diva a zillion dollars, the Packers are telling us what they think of Love. Many people just don’t want to hear it.

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Packerpasty's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:06 am

Exactly...come on, coaches see him and what he brings to the table every day....and I don't think he's as talented as Baker...

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Johnblood27's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:34 pm

I haven't seen Love do any commercials yet, so whether or not he is more talented than Baker is still up for debate.

...unless you meant the baker at Panera...

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PackerNic's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:41 pm

I dont think Aaron Rodgers contract has anything to do with Love. Rodgers is a back to back MVP. You pay him. Even if Love shows everything you hoped for and more, you pay Rodgers. Live HAS shown us alot. Watch JT O'Sullivans breakdown of Love on youtube. That video is frim the Kansas City game. It shows how Love played very well. The problem in that game was our rookie RG WHIFFING on blocks. There were several times where he couldnt get the assignment right and blocked Nobody! Now, with experience, love can call protections and get that sorted out. When Love had time in that game, he showed A LOT of promise. Remember Love is young. Hes younger than the first QB drafted in this years class. Management us doing this correctly. Pay Rodgers, let Live learn, pay the 5th year, and let him play when Rodgers walks.

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PackerNic's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:41 pm

I dont think Aaron Rodgers contract has anything to do with Love. Rodgers is a back to back MVP. You pay him. Even if Love shows everything you hoped for and more, you pay Rodgers. Live HAS shown us alot. Watch JT O'Sullivans breakdown of Love on youtube. That video is frim the Kansas City game. It shows how Love played very well. The problem in that game was our rookie RG WHIFFING on blocks. There were several times where he couldnt get the assignment right and blocked Nobody! Now, with experience, love can call protections and get that sorted out. When Love had time in that game, he showed A LOT of promise. Remember Love is young. Hes younger than the first QB drafted in this years class. Management us doing this correctly. Pay Rodgers, let Live learn, pay the 5th year, and let him play when Rodgers walks.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:35 pm

I agree with your take, PackerNic.

Or, you could say the problem was our HC who mailed in an Aaron Rodgers play script for his rookie QB, pass heavy against top rated pass rushers, ignoring Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon (only 20 carries split between both), playing one of the worst run defenses in the NFL, in Jordan Love’s first NFL start.

There was no threat of run, KC pinned their ears back and went after Love. All day.

“Oh, Jordan Love is getting pummeled? Let’s put in an extra OL!” That didn’t happen. ZERO in-game adjustments from Matt LaFleur.

It was one of the worst jobs of coaching I’ve seen from him, and he admitted as much publicly afterwards.

Total BS game planning for the young, future successor in his first start.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 30, 2022 at 02:39 am

I would submit that TT wasn't sure what he had in AR even after three years in GB (that is, in 2008), even though they made the decision to stick with Rodgers and trade Favre. My evidence is that TT draft Brohm with the 56th pick. That is a little high for a backup, imo. Maybe they really liked Brohm, but by multiple reports they knew in Brohm's first training camp that he was bad.

The issue with Love and most young QBs is between the ears. Can he read defenses, see the field and make his progressions in proper order? I do not doubt Love's physical talent.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 30, 2022 at 11:44 am

egbertsouse,
On one hand I agree but on the other there is no other position in professional sports quite like QB in the NFL.

Certainly the coaches know all his physical abilities and arm strength, etc! However, it is the cerebral side of things, and the composure under pressure, along with the leadership qualities. How can they truly know without having Love play in a number of games, and in different situations? Did Atlanta know with Favre?

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croatpackfan's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:30 am

I'm prety confident that Jordan Love can play much better under the circumstances when game plan is tailored for his capabilities. I'm also completely sure that he can not play like Aaron Rodgers. Because he is not Aaron Rodgers.

I can bet that Tom Brady can not play as Aaron Rodgers (I'm sure he can not). The reason is the same as I stated in previous paragraf.

Every player can play only to his capabilities. The level of play is different category. We saw in several post seasons that level of play from Aaron Rodgers were not at the needed level, not it was at the level he can play.

So, issue about bust, average or much better than average level of play are still open. We realy do not have enough data to make educated guess. To small sample.

I believe that Tom Clements will prepare Jordan Love for the NFL level. Only issue is will Jordan Love be able to control himself not to fall under pressure of being perfect. Because nobody is. If he will try to do to much (as he tried last 1st preseason game), he will fail. If he keep himself under the control, he might surprise many fans already calling him the bust.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:01 am

This is too early to really know, but he was selected for what he did in 2018, being the most accurate passer in all of college football. No one does that without having "it."

Upon his being drafted by the Packers in 2020, Love was wrongfully downgraded after losing 4 of his starting OL, 3 starting WRs, and having to learn a whole new system under newly hired HC Gary Andersen. He may have gotten positive considerations from the Packers for how well he was able to produce under duress from within the Utah St. program. No one could possibly produce the same numbers he had in 2018 under such conditions.

Of course there was going to be regression in his development due to Love's being pressured, in more ways than one.

Then, consider he was drafted into the pandemic year. Nothing normal in terms of rookie development. It didn't exist.

Add to that, his first two years would become tumultuous with near equal or worse drama & uncertainty from the QB1 position to what Aaron Rodgers himself faced when he was drafted to be Favre's successor.

More drama than Favre? wow.

Yeah, I give him credit. No one knows the future for this talented player, but, I think he will show solid progression in his development this TC/Preseason. I'm confident in Jordan Love being able to deliver if called upon.

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PeteK's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:59 am

Worse drama than with Favre. I saw a few clips of Rodgers and Favre having a conversation, but only see the Diva giving Love the bum rush. I lost respect for Rod after seeing that a few times because he should know how it feels and be more understanding.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:36 am

I feel differently, Pete. Seems to me AR has been pretty supportive of JL, and that they are friends. JL has never hinted at their being anything adverse in their relationship. All I’ve seen is a mutual understanding between them both that these are extraordinary conditions, with the future uncertain between legend & successor.

Of course, Love is a competitor and wants to start. Good. I love that.

This O with a top level D and improved STs can take us to carrying home the Lombardi Trophy, if everything falls in our favor with limited injuries and solid leadership/development with a lot of new & important players. What happens should they actually pull it off? Much can change, and both players know this.

Think of how many rookies we might see be truly impactful in their Year 1.

Gutekunst restocked this team to contend, and I’m impressed AF by that. Didn’t think it possible after our SF loss to be in this spot today.

It’s all on paper. We’ll see.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 30, 2022 at 02:40 am

I haven't gotten that impression from all the reports I've read. Everything I've read suggests AR and Love have a good relationship.

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Rarescope's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:59 am

How quick we are to forget. Favre retired and I retired multiple time over multiple years if I recall. I too was disappointed in Arod last year but at least he had the guts to come out and be honest about what he was feeling, and seems to have moved on from it. At least he’s not sending dick pics to reporters either (Burpy I know that last one I got was from you, please cease and desist or I will be forced to get the Cheesehead secret police involved). More drama than Favre? Give me a break.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 03:44 pm

Rare....if it was me...IF, it would have been in panoramic mode. It would of had to have been.

mic drop!

Plus, about even I suppose: #12 showed us his pinky toe and Favre kinda did the same. :)

*I would have loved to been hiding in Vince's office to see what he would have said to #4 and with #12 for that matter concerning their separate matters of their grey matter.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:28 pm

Oh, please. There’s no freaking way I’ve forgotten Favre details.

I’ll wait to see what happens. Stat pumping Adams for an entire 3 Quarters of football, with wide open receivers running all over the place? WTAF was that?

As a fan of this team, not one player, and more than 50 years of bleeding green & gold, I cannot reconcile what we witnessed v. SF. I also have a problem with a team leader’s stated goal being #1, winning another MVP.

The words “Super Bowl,” and “Championship,” and “Lombardi Trophy,” somehow, never uttered…

Didn’t notice any drama in the 2021 draft? The months that followed?

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:32 pm

Do not. I remember every detail of Favre’s tenure just fine. I refuse to rehash all the BS we witnessed in 2021.

Prove it, Aaron Rodgers.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:46 pm

Yo Rare...Rare...why you called Rare? Cuz you are Rare-ly right? ;)

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stockholder's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:10 am

I don't share your opinion Cory. They need to move him as fast as possible. He's been pumped up to much. Forget the Bs he's got all the physical tools. As long as he hasn't shown off his arm. The ceiling has dropped. The power arm just isn't there. They're wasting their time. We've seen failures over the years. Guys who were brought in to lead. Only to see the next GM trade for his man. Gutey blew that draft. And we nearly lost the Rodgers because of it. Love is a museum piece. His college achievements don't mean anything. And the closes thing to a bust as will ever seen.
It's No wonder Gutey, had to make up for his mistake. Love didn't make the team better. But the Gm better. That Love pick made Gutey a better Gm than most realize. And finally filling the positions of need.

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HawkPacker's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:35 am

I really don't get where you are coming from.

I haven't seen enough of Love to know if he will be good or a bust and I don't believe any of us have. You just have to have faith in the FO. They know so much more than any of us. Let's give him a chance. Many have written him off.

The only negative thing, in my mind anyway, is when was in the game against KC, he did not look very confident. I believe you need to see a certain amount of cockiness. I guess there could be another issue in that he threw a lot of passes with a lot of air under them. I would like to see more passes with a certain amount of zip on them so they get to the target quicker and avoid a possible interception.

These are my humble opinions.

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stockholder's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:12 am

Your opinions are noted. But my faith is not with the FO. But with the product on the field. Love does not have Rodgers arm. The contract payout and the Ceiling of Love. Do not fit this team.

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Packerpasty's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:10 am

yup, he will go the way of Hundley...

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:09 pm

The only negative so far is the timing of drafting him. It made no sense and still doesn't. Now they're stuck, they will have to trade him next year or let him walk for nothing. Add to that the miss rate on late 1st round QBs is incredibly high. Look at the QBs drafted between Rodgers and Lamar Jackson in the 2nd half of the 1st round. Straight up ugly group. It definitely wasn't a playing the odds pick.

As far as his on the field outlook he doesn't look like he has the ability to throw accurately on the run. When he sets his feet he can whip it but he's had some straight up ugly, inaccurate throws while on the move. Maybe it's correctable but some guys just fall back on bad habits while under pressure.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:06 am

Ridiculous.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 29, 2022 at 09:37 am

You're like the energizer bunny of ratios. No matter how many of your Jordan Love hate parade posts get downvoted, you still keep coming bsck for more punishment.

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Roadrunner23's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:19 am

Jordan Love has to cut it loose this pre season and take command of the Offense.
He seems like a nice kid, a smart kid, but a talented runner? No, he is just ok in that department but we don’t need a runner, we need him to be a QB.
Does he have that grit to make players around him better?
With his and Rodgers contract we may never know until he is QB of another team.
Excited to see him in preseason though, let’s hope he makes the leap this year, I’m sick and tired of every one calling him a bust because nobody knows that.
I hope he balls out and shuts every body up, he may come in this year and win a few games in our Super Bowl run if Rodgers gets dinged up, the Great Nick Foles did it with Philly! Let’s give this kid a chance to show his stuff before dismissing him as a wasted pick like all the national pundits are doing.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:57 am

Props, Roadrunner 23. I totally agree.

There’s a chance Jordan Love might have to carry this team at some point this year, and I think we’ll learn we’re fortunate to have him in GB, should that need be.

Brady was a young backup. In his Year 2 he replaced the injured Bledsoe and led NE to a Super Bowl win. We all know the rest.

Roethlisberger was a young QB3 as a rookie. Charlie Batch injured in preseason and became QB2. Tommy Maddox injured in week 2, and Roethlisberger was the Steelers starter from that point on. 13-0 that year and OROY. He led the Steelers to a Super Bowl win in his Year 2.

No one knows, but, I’m confident Love can win it all with the right guidance and some luck. Talented kid, 2 years in and now beginning Year 3.

We’ll see.

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lou's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:44 am

Agreed that no one really knows if he can be a future NFL starter but it appears to date that he has a similar skill set to Hundley who had a couple of outstanding preseason games and a couple of good regular season games which led the team and fan base to believe at some point they could get a second round pick for him - sound familiar ? As we now know, Hundley has moved across several teams as a backup who doesn't see the field or on and off practice squads and recently had a tryout with the Vikings. Love has to show or go this season, anyone's guess how it works out.

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PeteK's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:08 am

I have to disagree with your comparison. Love and Hundley have completely different skill sets.To start with Hundley had a very weak arm, but seemed quicker on the run. Agree though that this preseason is very important for Love.

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barutanseijin's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:55 am

They’ll need to start Love in any playoff games, especially if they’re at home, in Fla. Cal. or somewhere cold. The other guy has a habit of not showing up.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 30, 2022 at 04:37 pm

Bar,
Now I enjoyed the humor!

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EricinGB's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:27 am

GB has on staff one of the best, proven QB coaches in the history of the NFL. If I'm Jordon Love I trust Tom Clements' lead and take advantage of a GREAT situation in Green Bay. Tom can show the Packers know what they have given what jumps Love takes this year. Development is not a gradual curve it is done in steps or chunks....Covid and no preseason in 2020; an abbreviated preseason in 2021; Love is closer to being a rookie than a third year player. 2020 was the worst year in the history of the NFL to draft a developmental QB...fair to say Love has not yet had the same opportunity Rodgers or Favre had...the tomatoes have not had good weather and are nowhere near ripe yet...finally the sun appears to be coming out...anxious to see what Love does by the end of this preseason...could be trading Love prematurely could turn out to be a much poorer decision than drafting him.

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Turophile's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:01 pm

It is possible, maybe not likely but just possible, that in the future we get :
THE ATTACK..........................OF THE KILLER TOMATOES !

Go killer tomato, go.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 30, 2022 at 04:40 pm

Eric,
Such common sense and great post!

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PatrickGB's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:53 am

I have expressed my doubts about him in the past. He is a big unknown. We are not privileged enough to see or know what’s going on behind the scenes. I do know that because of the draft order it was and is unlikely that an obviously great QB would fall to the team unless there is a year we tank in the standings. I would hate that because I have been spoiled by decades of superior play. It’s a rare year that the packers are not in contention for the playoffs or more. I am spoiled! Like everyone else I want a SB. Yet as I look around the league I see most other fans of other teams simply hoping for some improvement and a chance at a playoff game. So Gutie took a risky shot at a QB in the draft and did so in the first round. He took the risk because it may have been the only chance to find a decent backup/replacement for the greatest (in terms of ability) QB this team has ever had. Jordan Love has been a class act over all of the hubbub surrounding this. When and if the time comes that he replaces Rodgers I will cheer him on if only for that.

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Since'61's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:01 am

While I believe that Love needs to have a good preseason I don't think that it matters in terms of determining what the Packers have in him. The Packers have had numerous QBs who had good preseasons and when they played in the regular season they were terrible. Hundley, Tolzien, Kizer, and a few others. Only Matt Flynn proved that he could be effective in a regular season game.

We're not going to know how well Love can play until he plays in at least several regular season games. The reality is he may need two or three seasons worth of play before we can adequately evaluate his capabilities to play in the NFL. It's a matter of how long it will take for the game to "slow down" for Love if in fact that ever happens. It took 2 seasons for the game to slow down for Rodgers after he became the Packers starting QB in 2008.

Part of the question is how long are the Packers willing to wait and how much are they willing to pay Love if they hang onto him for his second contract? It's good to have players look good during the preseason but it really doesn't tell us how well they will play when the games count. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:04 am

Hey Since’61, none of those QBs mentioned were brought in to be successors. I think they wanted them to draft & develop, but no bueno. McCarthy was no QB developer like Holmgren was during his time here.

LaFleur was able to help AR improve his play, helping to guide him to 2 more MVPs. LaFleur knows how to develop QBs.

All the rest is a given. We can only look forward to his continued development, and if he is called upon, we’ll see.

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Since'61's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:00 pm

greengold you may be correct that none of the QBs were brought to Green Bay to be Rodgers successors but each of them was proclaimed by a few on this blog and in some of the media that they would be the Packers 3rd consecutive HOF QB. And those claims were based solely upon their preseason performances.

Numerous posters here at CHTV and a few in the media had them anointed as Rodgers successor based on their preseason performance.

I have been an advocate for 2 preseason games to allow the rookies and younger players to show the coaches what they can do. I believe more practices and a few practices with another team will give the coaches enough to evaluate who will the 53 and the PS. I’m confident that, depending on the the team, the coaches already know 40-45 players who will make the team, barring injuries prior to the regular season.

For me preseason is meaningless. The second, third and fourth stringers just don’t play at the same speed as the starters. It is essentially an injury factory that dilutes rosters and reduces the quality of the regular season games.

Yes there are always a few surprises for who make the final 53. But they are surprises for the fans, not so much for the coaches who have been watching them everyday.

I don’t care who wins preseason games and it doesn’t matter to me who looks good and who doesn’t. I just want the Packers to get through it injury free without having the season ruined before it begins due to a meaningless game(s).

Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:06 pm

I have not been to a Live Packer practice since the time of Ricky Bobby, so I have to be mute on my Love appraisal. He looked good at Utah State with his deep out passes. I will probably take a road trip over to Summer Camp and watch him up close in the Musky net competition with Rodgers. Rodgers threw a better deep ball than Favre in the practices I viewed and we knew he had the "It" factor. It is a very fast game and they have to be able to process like an Intel chip. See if he takes his game to the level of a Pro come July. If he does show, he will be a valuable commodity for the Packers or another team willing to trade for value+

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greengold's picture

May 29, 2022 at 12:13 am

I failed to communicate it, Since’61, but I do agree with all you said there. Just feel Gutekunst trading for and drafting Love is unlike any of those other QBs. He was a true #1QB prospect, a franchise QB prospect. He was touted as a combination of Rodgers and Mahommes.

His drafting was far more purposeful and significant for the Packers future, following the plan Ted Thompson started with drafting Rodgers as Favre’s successor.

Totally agree, we won’t know what we have until his opportunity to start for an extended period of games presents. Everybody wants certainty. I’m happy to trust the process and the talents that brought Love here as our QB2. Love’s talents, our Personnel Department’s talents, and those of LaFleur & his staff.

I’m confident he’ll deliver when called upon. Some people don’t. We’ll see what happens.

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Packerpasty's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:14 am

well for me watching him in pre season and during open practice at training camp, it inspires no confidence that he is a capable starting QB...go watch him this summer...

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:22 am

"I don’t think Love will ever be in the upper crust with Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, or Russell Wilson. But I do think he could be better than Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, and Daniel Jones."

If the FO felt this way about Love before they drafted him and then drafted him anyway, then they wasted a trade up for 1st round pick on a QB sentiment that makes Love nothing more than a 5-9 win at best QB.

"That isn’t exactly a Who’s Who of NFL quarterbacks, but it’s a ticket to a starting job playing pro football."

With the NFL QB position being the hardest to play, I'm not drafting anyone just so he can have a job. I can do that in the very late rounds, and it seems the FO was more concerned with just having a replacement for Rodgers than actually replacing Rodgers with a QB that might extend the success bestowed on the team.

The new contract for Rodgers makes clear the FO looked for a QB that would help make Rodgers bend the knee, and they failed and now the over-drafted, over-hyped Love will see his carriage turn back to a pumpkin as the FO has no justified reason to pick up his option or sign him at all, and acknowledging finally they make a mistake in drafting Love and that he could possibly unseat Rodgers, less perform close to Rodgers ability and production.

I could be wrong with the above comment, but it sure looks like the Love didn't fit in the Rodgers shoe before or after his draft selection party, other than a tool to make Rodgers feel like his carriage was turning into a pumpkin. This doesn't excuse Rodgers for his recent playoff failings, but he is still the best carriage to ride even if they don't reach the party year after year, and that makes the Love selection, even more, a mistake as the Love carriage can't get assembly line space.

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Packerpasty's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:16 am

Overdrafted??? Heck, only by 3 rounds or so...

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:03 pm

Ppasty...after three rounds of Jagermeister? :)

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HawkPacker's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:20 pm

I think you are forgetting how bad Rodgers was playing the 2 years prior to drafting Love. He did not play very well and I believe the FO was looking at Rodgers' maybe getting too old to play quarterback in the NFL. Then look how Rodgers' played......2 MVP seasons! I really think that drafting Love could have been instrumental in Rodgers' 'revival'!

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:58 pm

Perhaps Rodgers's drop-in play was more about his disagreement with how things were done. Even the everyday worker drops in production when in disagreement with management. Let's be honest, many a bad move had been done during and contributing to the drop-off in play. Fans reacted the same too, less the blind optimist of course. Lastly, Rodgers's down years were still better than at least 25 other starting QBs. Rodgers is an automatic MVP candidate every year, and to not think that is simply the politics of sports. Winning it is more media-driven and the Love drafting gave Rodgers the media attention to garner it more than the others, even if Rodgers's stats didn't dominate all the boxes.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:50 am

I hope Love doesn't "Press" too hard in an attempt to impress during this preseason. What I would like to see is Love come out and efficiently execute the playbook.

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LGDaub's picture

May 28, 2022 at 10:52 am

GB can't give Love up right now. AR has been badly hurt before and can be again. The whole blogosphere was upset last time that GB lacked a competent backup. Now they seem to be upset because the team has one.

If Love takes over after AR quits in 2 years, he's 26. He could still be the starter for ten years after that. Maybe more.

A review of the QBs who win Super Bowls shows a lot more names like Love than AR.

AR himself only won his before he became a GOAT contender. In fact, the better he is in-season, the worse he seems to play post-season. AR is the reason for the recent lack of SB play, not Love.

By now, the one thing no GB fan should worry about is Gutey's ability to put talent on the roster. That includes his drafting Jordan Love.

Give it a rest and enjoy what we have.

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Packerpasty's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:16 am

for one thing why would any team want him, as being unproven as a leader or winner??

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:11 pm

I will tell you Ppasty...lean in with an ear please...thanks: cuz, Love not once showed us his toe or went on about his colon cleansing adventures. Somethings I don't want to know or see.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:49 pm

if kirk cousins can get a job, jordan love can get a job.

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Swisch's picture

May 28, 2022 at 03:54 pm

Good stuff from a new voice.
Welcome, LGDaub.
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Like Favre, as the ego of Rodgers has gotten bigger, the team results have gotten smaller.
Rodgers is robbing the Packers of their dignity, and setting up fans for yet another heartbreaking season finale. The whole dynamic is so utterly painful to me.
Meanwhile, although it's difficult to evaluate Love, I wouldn't be surprised to see him develop along the lines of a Josh Allen.
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Rodgers is the fault line around which the Packers will crumble under pressure.
Love is hope for a much more enjoyable experience as a Packers fan, and indeed a possibility of a Lombardi Trophy.
Anyway, it's been a while now since we've earned one of those, hasn't it?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 30, 2022 at 05:17 pm

LG,
Just love reading informative posters who can articulate well thought out non-emotional information. Gutey has done and will continue to add serious talent. We are lucky to have him!

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jhtobias's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:07 am

This whole Jordan Love discussion is getting repetitious . At this point he has this yr and next yr and will then become a free agent because unless something catastrophic or a surprise retirement comes from Rodgers why would they pick up the 5th yr of his rookie deal .

They have to decide on the fifth yr by may 2023. Time to admit that he was not a good first round selection not because of the players ability (no one can say they know this at least outside the coaching staff) just time to admit the mistake. The packers can either keep him as a back up for two more seasons or get whatever the compensation in return would be .

As long as Aaron is here no way Jordan see's the field. He is no more than insurance policy (Jordan is the only one I have empathy for in this situation). Yes he has got millions to hold a clipboard, but I'm sure he wanted the opportunity to fail or succeed in the nfl on his own

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Leatherhead's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:18 am

A better title would have been “Give The Organization Credit”. Ever since Ron Wolf game to town, the Packers have been putting a good QB on the field. Out of our last 500 games, we’ve had a weak QB on the field for maybe 10 games, most of them by the gum chewer.
In addition to starting The Ironman, we followed up with Rodgers. We’ve had Hasselbeck and Flynn win a couple of games.

This isn’t an accident, or luck, It’s an organization that repeatedly identifies good QBs. Aaron Brooks. Mark Brunell. Ty Detmer. Matt Flynn. We’ve had a few clunkers, like Brohm and Hundley. But still we’ve done a better job of putting a good QB on the field than any other team in the league.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 11:23 am

This QB development system thing was legendary under Holmgren, abysmal under Sherman & McCarthy, and simply appears promising with LaFleur.

It’s not like there’s a procedure manual guiding the way.

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calabasa's picture

May 30, 2022 at 12:18 am

Pretty sure McCarthy developed ARod.

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calabasa's picture

May 30, 2022 at 12:18 am

…and resuscitated Favre

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 30, 2022 at 01:49 pm

and got matt flynn 10 million from Seattle.

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Duneslick's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:43 pm

Those QB's were from the old regime. Now its Hundley Love Boyle Kizer. Not even close

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Johnblood27's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:52 pm

kizer was a default just to get randall OFF the roster

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calabasa's picture

May 30, 2022 at 12:19 am

Don’t forget Kurt Warner!

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Swisch's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:38 pm

I watched part one of the Lombardi biography that aired on the NFL Channel yesterday, and it was a treat. Looking forward to part two on my DVR.
It's hard to overemphasize how terrible Bart Starr was in his first three seasons before Lombardi came on board with the Packers, and even then it took Lombardi more than one season to fully commit to Starr.
Jerry Kramer has said Starr was like methane gas that is so undetectable as to go unnoticed. In Kramer's rookie year of 1958, Starr threw three touchdowns compared to 12 interceptions when he was on the field, and the team went 1-10-1.
Somehow, some mysterious way, Bart Starr is the greatest quarterback of all time, in my opinion; and even if you disagree, consider that he led the Packers to an unmatched five championships in seven years, with three in a row -- including 15 touchdown passes to only three interceptions in the playoffs and two Super Bowl MVPs.
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A striking thing in the biographical documentary about Vince Lombardi is that as a coach he was about so much more than football, and that his success with the Packers was about so much more than talent.
Lombardi was about succeeding in life by living each day in the pursuit of excellence and character -- as he said, doing the most with whatever attributes we've been given by God to work with.
To discount character is to encourage the selfishness that undermines any endeavor in life, and any organization. Selfishness results in losing.
Watching the Lombardi bio, to me, is witnessing the intangible ingredients that go into champions, which the Packers of today need to make it over the top.
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I think Lombardi would agree that, ultimately, the most important evaluation in life is not necessarily about titles, but about doing things the right way and striving to reach the fullness of potential.
In that spirit, I'd much rather go with Jordan Love this season if Aaron Rodgers is persisting in arrogance.
In limited action, what I've seen from Love is promising talent and admirable determination.
As the example of Starr shows, so much depends on how much Love wants to excel, and how well he is coached.
It would be exciting with all of the other talent on the Packers to see the team grow with Love as the leader.
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Now, if behind the scenes there has been real growth in the attitude of Rodgers, I'd go with him; but it doesn't look good to me that he is missing a voluntary team activity while almost simultaneously golfing with other star quarterbacks in a hyped event.
It's almost June 1st, and if at all possible I'd let go of the diva and start a new era of Love.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:55 pm

MLF to AR - "I just can't quit you"

sorry swisch, the GBP are all-in on AR for this season. Only an AR injury could bring on the season of Love.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 30, 2022 at 05:21 pm

I'm with you Swisch!

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greengold's picture

May 30, 2022 at 08:42 pm

It appears the Packers are all in with Rodgers for 1-2 years, depending how things go.

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blondy45's picture

June 02, 2022 at 10:36 am

Well stated and true Swisch. We may need Love to be the team leader we need to make it to the Super Bowl. We need Rodgers to quit being the diva he is. Until Rodgers changes his self-centered attitude, a Super Bowl appearance will not occur.

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Rossonero's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:37 pm

The grade for Love is still incomplete. The answer? We don't know. Nobody does.

Why? The kid hasn't been able to start one for full season.

The only way to bring down the learning curve is to be the full-time starter. With Rodgers new deal having the first two years fully guaranteed, I would expect the Packers to exercise Love's 5th year option, especially as Rodgers will be in his 40s by then.

- Peyton Manning threw 28 picks in his rookie year and went 3-13.
- Aaron Rodgers went 6-10 in his first year as the starter, throwing 28 TDs and 13 picks.
- Joe Montana started 7 games in his 2nd season and went 2-5, throwing 9 picks and 15 TDs.
- John Elway started 10 games in his 1st season and went 4-6, throwing 14 picks and 7 TDs (and only 47% completion rate, yikes).

Remember Brett Favre's start with the Falcons in 1991? His first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in a pick six. He only attempted 4 passes in his one season at Atlanta, was intercepted twice, and completed none of them. Favre took one other snap, which resulted in a sack for an eleven-yard loss. Thank goodness Ron Wolf had the foresight to trade for him!

The point: It takes time for these guys to grow, but that growth only truly takes place in regular season games. Practices and pre-season games are nice, but it's not the real deal. We will never know what we have in Jordan Love unless Rodgers gets injured or until he retires.

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Swisch's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:52 pm

Thanks much for the good perspective, Rossonero.

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Rossonero's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:34 pm

You're welcome Swisch. I'm tired of people declaring him a bust. We have to have some humility about it and just accept that he's a question mark until proven otherwise.

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greengold's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:04 pm

Yeah. Jordan Love wasn’t just a QB we took to be a backup and develop in the hopes he would become a starter. He was a 1st Round Franchise QB projection with the strongest arm in the entire draft class of 2020. He was the most accurate passer in all of college football in 2018. He was regarded by both LaFleur & Gutekunst as the perfect scheme fit for a future successor to a, now, 38 going on 39 year old Aaron Rodgers.

Good planning, and we’ll see soon enough what he can really do in his year 3.

The pressure is on Rodgers to prove he can deliver - for the team. Bring a Super Bowl Championship home by leading this TEAM. Not another MVP for YOURSELF. Hope he’s been working on the deep ball, because his deep ball accuracy has not been good these past two seasons.

With this D and STs? He should be able to close the deal. He’s got weapons on O. If he doesn’t? Bring on the future.

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BAMABADGER's picture

May 28, 2022 at 03:29 pm

Love could be a wasted first rounder or the next GOAT (Brady not Rodgers). We'll never know until he is offered the opportunity to play with the first team starters against the opponents first team defense. It is a shame he has yet to be properly vetted. Remember, Rodgers was mediocre his first year starting. Releasing or trade Love without the opportunity of being thrown into the fire???? Would hate to see him become Brett Favre 2.0 for another team.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 03:55 pm

Forrest, yep Forrest Gump. He is the only one who truly knows; "Jenny, I know what LOVE is".... T.Hanks, T.Hanks much!

If you ain't Forrest Gump for the LOVE OF GOD... reserve judgement until you can't hold judgement no more. Think of Braveheart, good ol' Mel wearing a cheesehead, shouting...hold...HOLD...HOLDDD...!

(it's Rares fault, he poked the sleeping bear!)

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 04:06 pm

Sabrina, who makes $13K/month. Since your making bank, maybe start a GoFundMe for #12....or better yet, start a GoFindMe for #12 (during playoff games).👍

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:49 pm

"Entering his third season, the Packers backup quarterback remains a mystery"...thanks CJJ.

Some might call it a beautiful mystery...

Okay, sorry folks...gotta get ready for my new side hustle. I guess I look like a spittin image of Bradley Cooper (though more buff). I have to read the script real close...but something about a stunt double which includes a few love scenes. Oh boyyy...'I am not so much afraid of failing as I am of being a success at something that doesn't matter to me'. Oh, question...how long does it take for a hickey (or 2 or 3) to heal?

Go #10 Go!

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wildbill's picture

May 28, 2022 at 06:44 pm

Kizer 2.0

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 30, 2022 at 02:36 pm

First, I agree this is the year Jordan Love needs to show what he has. There have been many well documented disadvantages he has had coming into the league right during the pandemic, as well as not getting many opportunities. I get a real laugh out of so many on here who 'know' Jordan Love was a wasted draft choice, or that he will never be a good QB in the NFL. How Jordan turns out will be written over the next 10-15 years. Yes, I do think he will be in the league for 10+ years. How good will he turn out I have no idea just like all the rest of you.

I do have an interesting take though regarding Love. Everyone knew he was a long-term project so nothing has changed. However, I do think the Packers (including Love) are trying to change his spots. Meaning...Jordan is a gun slinger just like Favre was. He is a risk-taker with a strong arm. He came to the Packers and I believe the team is trying to change his style of play combined with the herculean task of playing behind the best QB of all time with the fewest turnovers/interceptions. In some ways Love is in an enviable situation to learn and watch Rodgers consistently. At the same time....none of us change life long learned behaviors well unless a death, divorce, job loss, etc. Very difficult to do! All of this is stated due to a few comments about Jordan's arm strength and the lobbing of balls in the KC game. I did notice him putting air under the ball in that game. One can look at that negatively, or one can see it as a positive. The positive is instead of trying to strong arm and rifle the ball all the time he was trying to utilize finesse and place it. I am of the mind Love not only is trying to figure out how to be an NFL QB but trying to modify his game style. At some point in time Jordan just has to figure it out and be himself. I think once he does you are going to see not only a confident QB, but a QB that plays significantly better than what he has shown so far. The guy has lots of talent he just has to not think and play how he knows how to. I think we all have to realize he is going to have the ocassional turn-over because he is a gun slinger. There will be good and some bad. ARod is an exception when it comes to turnovers and we need to prepare for the fact that whoever replaces Rodgers is going to have more interceptions.

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