Cory's Corner: Happy NFL Draft Season
Tis the season for questioning everything and believing little.
We have reached that fabled time of year.
It’s NFL Draft season.
It’s where the rumor mill works overtime and people continuously talk out of both sides of their mouth.
The Chicago Bears are supposedly saying all the right things about Justin Fields, but let’s face it: He’s not coming back. The Bears are going to draft a quarterback with the first overall pick.
Any organization can say how much they want that person to stay and how much that person means to the team and city, but it really doesn’t mean a thing. At the end of the day, Fields never proved much of anything other than small highlight snippets in a Bears uniform. I realize that a quarterback record is not exclusively for quarterbacks and there are other moving parts, but Fields was 10-28 in Chicago and he only tallied one season where he didn’t have double digit interceptions.
Stay in the NFC North and head to Minnesota. The Vikings are claiming that they really want Kirk Cousins back in purple, but are they willing to pay $51 million a season for a 35-year-old quarterback that is recovering from a torn Achilles? It doesn’t make any sense. From 2020-2022 he played every single game for the Vikings and still averaged 11.3 interceptions.
Both of those teams are saying the right things. They want their veteran quarterbacks to stay, but deep down they know that starting over with a rookie quarterback allows both teams to reset their salary clock at the game’s most important position.
This is the season of fake truths and heck, no truths at all. It’s hard to separate fact from fiction. The Packers could easily take an offensive lineman or safety at No. 25 but no matter how much Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst speaks glowingly about those two positions, he may already have a deal worked out to trade down to add even more depth.
There could be five quarterbacks taken in the top 10 this year, which would surprise just about everybody. I guess that’s the charm of this whole ordeal.
No matter how many 40-yard sprints, shuttle runs and interviews the prospects conduct, there are always curveballs that continue to make the NFL Draft a spectacle unto itself.
So welcome to the NFL Draft season. The first round isn’t until April 25, but teams have been slinging mud for quite some time.
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (89)
NickPerry
February 27, 2024 at 06:29 am
What the Bears do in this draft is what actually scares me a LITTLE bit. Williams is being viewed as a "Can't Miss" type player which if true would suck for the Packers. If they actually did trade the 1st overall pick the HAUL of picks they'd get in return would suck just about as much.
I already miss the Bears OLD GM. BUT, it's still the Bears. The Bears STILL suck. Lets hope they muck it all up!
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 08:06 am
I am not worried about any QB the Bears get. Chicago is where a QB goes to sucks.
Cheezehead72
February 27, 2024 at 09:47 am
Matt Leinart was a cannot miss draft pick for a QB and he was insignificant. Oh he played for USC also. I am not worried about who the Bears select with the 1st pick because that is just one player. I am more worried about them trading the pick and all the picks they will get.
PackEyedOptimist
February 27, 2024 at 06:36 am
Speaking of NFC North QBs...
How outraged would fans be, if Gute picked a QB at 25?
I'm not saying I would do it, but if Bo Nix or JJ McCarthy or Michael Penix is still available, and they believe that guy has the potential to win in the playoffs, would it be a good choice?
Maybe they think Sean Clifford is as good as those three, but what if they don't?
After all, we have high expectations for the team now--but Jordan Love isn't immune to a season-ending injury.
If Gute picked a QB, and afterwards gushed about how they couldn't pass on someone that high on their board, how would you feel?
GregC
February 27, 2024 at 06:57 am
No. Just no.
Coldworld
February 27, 2024 at 07:20 am
This roster has a lot of holes or threadbare spots. If that happened I’d trade back and say thank you very much. Love is the horse we are going to be riding for the foreseeable future. Clifford they like and he’s going to be developed while he is cheap. Fill holes now, look at another QB in 2025 or better 2026. Use the picks to restock depth we will use and to try to develop additional starters for the future.
LLCHESTY
February 27, 2024 at 08:08 am
I'd be a lot more tempted if a guy like Rattler was around in the 4th.
golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 10:13 am
While I hated the pick of Clifford last year. he is a better QB than Rattler and had way better stats than Rattler in college.
Clifford should have been a UFDA. just like our kicker.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 08:10 am
"If Gute picked a QB, and afterwards gushed about how they couldn't pass on someone that high on their board, how would you feel?"
Odds are if a QB higher on their board falls to them other teams will have him that high as well. Those teams would know that GB doesn't need a QB and might give up quite a bit to move up and get him, especially if more than 1 team is making an offer.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 10:11 am
TT drafted QBs all the time.
Even when he had Rodgers
BirdDogUni
February 27, 2024 at 10:51 am
Not in the first round he didn't... SMH
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 10:55 am
The Packers have done that twice in the last 30 years. Both times when the current franchise QB was old and needed to be replaced in a few years. Each of those times the replacement sat for 3 years and learned.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 10:53 am
There is a difference between drafting a QB in R5-7 and a QB in R1 when you already have a 25 year old franchise QB. You are suggesting in literally wasting a R1 pick, most likely because Love replaced your favorite player in Rodgers.
golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 10:15 am
If one of those 3 QBs falls to #25, chances are we will have multiple great offers to trade back, which would be even better for us.
Ferrari-Driver
February 27, 2024 at 08:26 am
We'll consider it as soon as the Vikings win a Super Bowl. So far they've been around for about 64 years and counting.
golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 10:10 am
No way that happens. You surely wouldn't spend a first round pick on a backup QB. I would hope any player at any position that GB would spend a first round pick on, would surely be expected to start and contribute alot. If you took all the position groups on a team, QB would be the absolute last position GB would use #25 for.
In case you hadn't noticed, GB has a really good, young QB already.
Thegreatreynoldo
February 27, 2024 at 04:30 pm
Now that I've stopped laughing, I can consider the substance. Yeah, I'd hate it/.
Thanks for the belly laugh.
GregC
February 27, 2024 at 07:07 am
I've been surprised how many people think the Bears will keep Justin Fields. We've even had a Bears fan come on here and say that he hopes they don't draft that QB. Fields has improved somewhat since his first season, but he's still a below average QB. I think it should be a pretty easy decision for the Bears to draft a QB. Heck, they could trade down and still get a good one. I'm hoping they stick with Fields.
Cousins, on the other hand, is a much tougher call, as he is an above average QB. A lot depends on what his prospects are for a full recovery from the torn Achilles. He could still have three or four good years in him.
"From 2020-2022 he played every single game for the Vikings and still averaged 11.3 interceptions." This is an odd statement because when you play every single game you are going to throw more interceptions. It's not a huge amount anyway. A few more than what you might expect. But it's the best Cory could come up with for a bad stat.
HawkPacker
February 27, 2024 at 07:26 am
I think the Vikings would be very foolish not to draft a qb in the first round this year.
Lphill
February 27, 2024 at 07:29 am
Bears could keep Fields and add Harrison JR then a top tight end with their second first round pick. Just my opinion .
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 08:42 am
And they will still suck because Fields is a bad QB.
TKWorldWide
February 27, 2024 at 08:43 am
Even with Kmet on the roster?
golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 10:27 am
I think I would be more scared if the Bears kept Fields while trading down from #1. They would not have to drop far to still get a monstrous haul of picks. They could end up just like us with plenty of young talent. They could drop 2-3 spots and still end up with Harrison and I don't care who is throwing passes to him as he catches everything.
Hopefully we score a good, much needed O-lineman with #25. It's imperative we strengthen that group this off season. That is precisely why Fields has struggled in Chicago. Their OL hasn't been very good, and he is always running for his life. Being an Iowa fan, I saw Fields a lot on TV in college. I really think he threw the ball better than Stroud did when at Ohio State. Fields had a shit ton of TDs passing and threw a great deep ball. Now Ohio State always has NFL caliber WRs, but they also have Top 10 O-lines as well every year.
Luckily Chicago is Chicago and they will never get it right.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 10:58 am
You are suggesting that they try and build around Fields and have a great D. Sounds like what got them a couple winning seasons/winning the division over the last 30 years. Those good seasons always came up short due to poor QB play. A top flight D can only cover up for a bad QB for so long. The 2000 Ravens aren't going to happen again in the NFL anytime soon as the rules are so skewed towards the O.
LLCHESTY
February 27, 2024 at 02:27 pm
If I was the Bears' GM I'd keep Fields and draft Williams. They've been bad at QB might as well have them fight it out while Fields is still cheap. They'd still be cheaper than a top QB.
Untylu1968
February 27, 2024 at 11:11 am
I could see that, too! Maybe a top 5 QB drops to the second round..? Get two studs with your first picks and go from there.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 07:43 am
It's all about Gute.
He'll do whatever it takes for his own glory.
So forget logic, and the plan for the future.
He's still smoke and mirrors.
And one wrong move, will impact any play-off hopes.
Remember the trade down and not taking Watt?
Well that is exactly what I'm referring too.
"Helping other teams first !! "
And ending up with the lesser graded player.
The player that is a flash in the pan.
Taking a good fit doesn't always work.
As we've seen with many of his late selections.
(Giving up draft position and wasting picks)
That #1 pick; the NO miss ,Franchise builder.
Yet, we now can add Savage to missed gambles.
And Now we've changed the Defense to a 4-3-4.
Where was the thinking ahead for that?
Gute can do what he wants with the press backing.
But it's still a good coach that can make up for a GMs
MISTAKES. Until there are too many.
The path to the super-Bowl is this draft.
LLCHESTY
February 27, 2024 at 08:12 am
"Yes 911? I'd like to report a punctuation murder."
Bitternotsour
February 27, 2024 at 03:15 pm
oh my god, that syntax has a family! someone call an ambulance.
GregC
February 27, 2024 at 08:16 am
Gute didn't pass on T.J. Watt, Ted Thompson did.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 09:42 am
No Lie. -
jannesbjornson
February 27, 2024 at 10:42 am
Ted was not in first gear at the time. The "committee" who walked to the podium making the draft selection announcements, made the faux pas. Somebody thought King was the next Al Harris(?) and then put his chips on Josh Jones the guy he scouted. T.J Watt matched King with 7 INTs and tossed in 96.5 Sacks to go along with the paint and underbody protection.
Untylu1968
February 27, 2024 at 08:22 am
And here I thought you were making strides on getting over the Rodgers deal?
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 09:45 am
This didn't have anything to do with Rodgers.
It has everything to do with a GM Call this time of year.
Whats best for the team-
Filling a vacancy or a HOF player.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 11:01 am
It is better to get rid of a player a year too early than an year too late. The Packers should have traded Rodgers to Denver in 2022 and gotten the draft haul that Seattle got for Wilson. I personally wanted the Packers to get rid of Rodgers in 2018 before he signed that huge contract. The Browns would have given Hershal Walker level compensation for Rodgers.
BAMABADGER
February 27, 2024 at 08:27 am
GDS has no vaccine.
CentralPA_PackFan
February 27, 2024 at 08:44 am
On the other hand, whatever meds SH is taking definitely appear to need adjusted.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 08:40 am
"Taking a good fit doesn't always work.
As we've seen with many of his late selections."
So you are pissed that he has missed on R6 and R7 picks. Truthfully most players drafted in R6 or R7 are JAG. Since the 2015 NFL draft, there have been 6 players to make the Pro Bowl who were drafted in R6 or R7 that weren't ST only players. If we go from 2017 then it drops to 2 players. Basically R6 and R7 is taking a swing at a player who has athletic traits and hope they hit (Scott Wells) or are a decent backup (Isaiah McDuffie).
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 09:48 am
I'm saying it adds up.
And that poor drafts get a good coach fired.
Or Do you want to go back to MM and 2010?
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 11:04 am
The success rate in R6 and R7 IS VERY LOW, just like your IQ. The fact that since 2019 the Packers have gotten 6 solid backups or better from R6/7 is amazing. That goes beyond the normal hit rate from those rounds.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 11:24 am
It's to bad you can't make your point without insults.
Hit rate = Helping your opponent.
The point was; if you trade up.
You better Damn make sure your right..
I can take 5 seven rounders and have them start.
As long as I have 1 MVP QB.
If you trade down -
Whats in it for the Packers.
A lesser Over-all rated player.
Or a seven rd pick player.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 11:36 am
"It's to bad you can't make your point without insults."
It wasn't an insult that I made; it was an accurate observation of you as a person and commenter.
"The point was; if you trade up."
Yes because trading up is the best idea in a draft. Look at how well that worked for Mike Sherman...Actually look at the teams that have done the best usually. They draft well and typically aren't doing much trading up. Remember the draft is a lottery that is usually tilted towards the top 100 players. You have a better chance of hitting on a player when you have 5 shots in the top 100 vs 2.
"I can take 5 seven rounders and have them start.
As long as I have 1 MVP QB."
And odds say that you will be a bad team. Usually your R6 and R7 players are backups and that would mean you are starting 5 backups. Not a good setup for winning. If you actually knew about football you would understand this.
"If you trade down -
Whats in it for the Packers.
A lesser Over-all rated player.
Or a seven rd pick player."
Depends on what you are trading. There is this great resource called the Draft Value Chart and you can get an idea of what you would get in relation to trading down. Moving from 25 > 31 would net the Packers a late R3. Heck even moving from 127 > 132 will net you a late R6 (again not an R7). You should really learn things before posting.
jannesbjornson
February 27, 2024 at 11:36 am
He had to hit it in 2023, just to save face, or his job. This year needs the same urgency. Three years wasted with Barry playing possum. This draft lines up well to get some Playmakers.
Bitternotsour
February 27, 2024 at 03:18 pm
are you honestly suggesting that Mike Sherman was a good coach?
Coldworld
February 27, 2024 at 04:18 pm
Wasn’t as bad a coach as people tend to think. He was a truly terrible GM.
Bitternotsour
February 27, 2024 at 05:14 pm
Really? He was a terrible head coach. Look at his post-GB career, it is littered with failure, hell, his return to being an assistant was a disaster. Mike Holmgren/Bret Favre was his only connection to winning. As a manager he was a kick down, kiss up jackass. Another terrible hire by Ron Wolf. That he was also entrusted with the GM role is criminal.
jannesbjornson
February 27, 2024 at 11:57 pm
His last gig was coaching High School out East. The Kids could not relate to him--a dinosaur. A kid he was recruiting told him A&M shit-canned him while chatting with the kid's mother in the living room. One of the worst.
packer132
February 27, 2024 at 08:43 am
You are blind, man. Gute has built the Packers after your man crush Rodgers left. He is not seeking glory, just a Super Bowl for the team and fans. He hit on every draft pick last year and has 9 picks from 2022. You don't know football and it shows every time you post ridiculous crap. Get a life.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 09:59 am
Wasted chances and years..
It got MM fired! And No SB!
The GMs are in charge of the drafts. So-
It's OK to draft bad and blow your CAP w/vets.
Before you praise those 9 picks
The Defense has Now changed.
Keep that in mind when a player
was drafted for another scheme.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 11:11 am
Wait Gute's drafts got MM fired? Strange because MM was fired in 2018 which was the first year Gute was GM. Also MM is NOT a good coach. He has shown that time and again through his time in GB and now Dallas.
The lack of SB appearance is sad but the Packers had their chances. The 2020 NFCCG loss was on the D and Rodgers. The 2021 playoff loss was on "I only have eyes for Adams" Aaron Rodgers. Basically Rodger WAS an issue and needed to be removed years ago.
"The Defense has Now changed.
Keep that in mind when a player
was drafted for another scheme."
Yes they got a new DC who will have a different scheme. The difference is this DC will apparently build his scheme around the players. Whereas Barry was completely inflexible about anything. Did you actually think Barry was a good DC? If so you need to see a neurologist because something is wrong with your brain.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 11:45 am
Yes -
Was that his fault or the players?
Answer: Players!.
It's always the coaches fault when they lose.
But - Not when the Rebuild starts
Yes- Shown what!
IT WAS THE PLAYERS FAULT!
Point:
This isn't about Rodgers past .
OR Your opinions of him.
Point:
Players are drafted for the scheme.
Especially when two are rated the same.
Barry - LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
And Failure at safety was obvious.
Who refused to change kickers?
Signing a Free Agent was on Gute.
Underestimating your opponent?
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 12:24 pm
"Yes -
Was that his fault or the players?
Answer: Players!.
It's always the coaches fault when they lose.
But - Not when the Rebuild starts"
OK so in 2018, THE YEAR MM WAS FIRED, Gute had just become the GM and only had ONE DRAFT! Tell me how is it that Gute's 2018 draft got MM fired? It wasn't that draft that got MM fired. MM got fired because one he is a bad coach and two he couldn't do anything with the players given to him. Now were the TT drafts from 2013 - 2017 not very good, yes. BUT THAT ISN'T GUTE'S FAULT!!!!!!!! HE DIDN'T SELECT THOSE PLAYERS!!!!
Once again your posts are full of drivel, half truths (at best), and just nonsense. You have no understanding of the complexity of building a team, coaching a team, or really anything for that matter. But yet you try to make it sound like you do and almost NO ONE agrees with you because you don't make any sense. GO AWAY!!!
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 03:08 pm
Do we really have to go back to 2018? Ok
The Randall for Kizer Trade- A Starting CB gone.
Gute replaced Jordy Nelson with Graham TE- 10 mil failure
MVS and St. Brown were Gute's answer and started
Remember when Cobb got hurt. ?
The offense went down the crapper.
Your Defensive stars were in and out with injuries.
And guess what.- Burks was the solution. A bust.
Your Love for Gute has blinded you to his mistakes.
So don't tell me MM was a bad Coach when
the players No longer cared about winning!
Oppy
February 28, 2024 at 06:15 am
Randall was going to be out-right released due to be a SERIOUS locker room problem. Gute managed to get something for a player he was going to otherwise let go for no compensation. He got something for nothing, and that something was a chance to evaluate Kizer, a former 2nd round pick. I don't like Kizer, I never did, I posted continuously here and elsewhere that he's hot garbage.. but Gute did no wrong in making a trade for a guy who was a second round pick using a player he was literally going to cut.
Jordy Nelson was let go for two very good reasons, 1) he wasn't the same player after the injury, and 2) Gute recognized that Rodgers was blinded by Nelson (just like with Davante). Heck, Rodgers (coming back from injury to relieve Brett Hundley- who Nelson clearly didn't play for) put it on display. Told the media Jordy was going to have a big game, had a lot of juice left. Proceeded to spend his afternoon forcing the ball to Jordy in double and triple coverage all game long, with the expected poor results. Jordy is a Packers HoF'er for sure, but it was time for Jordy to go.
MVS and St. Brown were probably not given the proper chance to develop. See Davante-vision.
Owen Burks. That's a straight up miss.
I think your biggest issue is you don't understand how frequently GMs miss on picks. Even the great ones. It's part of the game. Drafting is like hitting in baseball. Even the best miss more than they hit.
DoubleJ
February 28, 2024 at 07:25 am
"Do we really have to go back to 2018?"
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I brought up 2018 BECAUSE YOU SAID GUTE'S DRAFTS GOT MM FIRED!!! I had said that Gute only became the GM in 2018 and had made only 1 draft. MM was fired towards the end of the 2018 season; therefore it wasn't Gute's draft that got MM fired. Seriously you move the goal posts when wrong or you try and cover your mistakes with lots of fluff.
stockholder
February 28, 2024 at 08:14 am
You moved the post not me.
Gute did inherit a bad roster.
But he made the wrong moves to correct it.
And that included " his draft".
As we've now seen. After a 3 years.
You can't Gut the roster, and expect to win.
The draft revealed what MM had to work with.
Why can't you comprehend that.
DoubleJ
February 28, 2024 at 11:37 am
"You moved the post not me."
BULL!!!!! You said "It got MM fired! And No SB!" in response to Packer132 saying "Gute has built the Packers after your man crush Rodgers left." That means YOU DIRECTLY WERE TALKING ABOUT 2018!!!! How hard is that for you to understand?
"Gute did inherit a bad roster.
But he made the wrong moves to correct it.
And that included " his draft".
As we've now seen. After a 3 years.
You can't Gut the roster, and expect to win."
I never said Gute didn't inherit a bad roster. However, only someone with your love affair for Rodgers would think that Gute hasn't improved the roster A LOT compared to most of the rosters from 2011-2017. Most of the problems on O has been Rodgers related and D, IMO, has been DC related. Did you really think that Gute would be able to magically make the roster amazing in a single draft? Since Gute took over the drafting, the Packers have drafted 27 players that played a lot of snaps in this last season out of 61 total players. That means 44% (almost HALF) of his draft picks played lots of snaps for the Packers. I would bet that is on the higher end of teams since 2018 in the entire NFL.
Gute had to cut the fat on the roster. Gute released Jordy because Jordy was old and not a good player anymore. You lose more games by holding onto aging veteran to appease your diva QB than because you cut them and used youth. Before the 2023 draft I said that losing Cobb, Lazard, Tonyan, and Lewis would be no loss for the team. They were old (or just not that good like Lazard), slow, and sucking up snaps for young players. TGR on a different site said that it will be difficult for a rookie to replace the production of those players. Guess what I was right. By himself Reed covered the production of Lazard and was a much more dynamic player. Wicks was noticeably better than Cobb. Musgrave and Kraft combined for better performance than Tonyan and Lewis all while being again more dynamic players. I could go on about this but you can see that the old players needed to go but were only kept around to appease Rodgers, who also needed to go.
Why is it that you cannot comprehend that aging teams RARELY make it very in the NFL and are expensive. In fact of the playoff teams less than half (6 of 14) were in the bottom half of average team age after the 2023 cuts in September. 5 of the 14, including the Chiefs, were in the top 10 youngest teams.
I think that you need to actually do research before ever speaking again. I know you won't because you just make asinine comments and fill it with fluff to try and confuse people. However, if you actually did your research you would understand why you have 8k more down votes than up votes and perhaps you would stop making your asinine comments.
stockholder
February 28, 2024 at 12:16 pm
So now you're moving the post again.
The 2018 was the argument- off again-
What Gute Did and MM had.!
It wasn't until they got MLF -
And the best Free Agent class in the NFL in 2019-
That Gute knew what his picks had to be.
Back-ups to the Smith Bros. - Gary
Jenkins to go with- Turner at Guard
Amos and *Savage who's now a Bust.*
Veterans over Bottom Feeders.
Thats what MM should of had.
And the Rebuild continues-
DoubleJ
February 28, 2024 at 12:30 pm
How am I moving the goal posts? Is it because I am keeping it on topic of YOUR ORIGINAL statement in this thread? If so THAT ISN'T MOVING THE GOAL POSTS. That is called staying on track. What YOU have done is continually move the goal posts to try and suit your false claims. Basically you get called out on your false claim, you back track and change your "claim," only to be called out on the fallacy again. This keeps happening until people are so freaking tired of your utter bull that you "win" the argument but you didn't win anything and just irritate hundred of people.
No GM knows what their picks have to be in a draft. You are literally saying that a GM goes into a draft and goes, well with my R1 I have to pick a LB and R2 has to be a TE, etc.... Outside of the 1st pick in the draft not a single GM knows what their pick is going to be until they are on the board. Even at pick #2 you don't know what it is going to be as the team who picks #1 might draft the player you were thinking of getting at #2. Even then it is possible that the GM might not make up their mind on the #1 pick until they put in their card. Now a GM will have an idea of what positions they would like to have. However, how the draft falls plays a bigger role than anything. Look at the 2020 draft in regards to WR. Everyone thought the Packers were going to draft a WR in a "historically deep" WR draft. Well with how the board fell to Gute he never drafted a WR. In the end that draft is still an A+ because he got a franchise QB that supplanted your man crush.
stockholder
February 28, 2024 at 01:04 pm
No GM knows what their picks have to be in a draft.
?????????????????? WTF ??????????????????????????
I'm not saying a thing.
Your gone.
Have a nice day.
DoubleJ
February 28, 2024 at 01:20 pm
"No GM knows what their picks have to be in a draft.
?????????????????? WTF ??????????????????????????"
That is correct because you don't know how the board is going to fall. You might want to take an Edge player with your R1 pick. However, by the time you are on the clock all the R1 quality Edge players have been drafted. Do you then reach for one that is an R2 quality or do you go with a different position. Oh I know you would say "well they should have traded up for someone." First you have to have teams willing to trade. Second you are giving up valuable capital to move up. Teams are usually more successful moving down than up in a draft. You know these are things that you would know if you actually followed football instead of being a useless troll.
Thank you please never post here again because your posts are useless.
jannesbjornson
February 28, 2024 at 12:00 am
McCarthy got himself fired being complacent. Two blown chances to move to the Big Game in 2011 and 2014.
TKWorldWide
February 27, 2024 at 08:46 am
For your own sake, please get back on your meds. Good lord, what a series of train wreck comments.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 10:05 am
I don't do meds.
I'm only repeating; that we must get the best
players in the draft.
Don't isolate the position, when
you're rebuilding for the future.
If Gute continues helping everyone.
The progress will only be a flash in the pan.
Team first - Job second.
TKWorldWide
February 27, 2024 at 10:18 am
Do you REALLY think Gute’s motivation is personal glory??
jannesbjornson
February 27, 2024 at 10:48 am
I believe it would be called his Third Contract.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 11:57 am
Or with another team.
jannesbjornson
February 27, 2024 at 02:53 pm
I would not shed any tears...
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 11:12 am
"I'm only repeating; that we must get the best
players in the draft."
So we should somehow have every pick in the top 10 as those are the best players in the draft.
stockholder
February 27, 2024 at 12:04 pm
No- If you think a certain player
is of championship Quality.
Why wouldn't you draft him.?
Never leave a franchise player for someone else.
Regardless of position.
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 12:28 pm
No you said they should get the best players in the draft NOT the best player at their draft position. Therefore the only way to get the best players in the draft is to own all the top 10 picks. That is not possible. Now normally a GM will choose the best player from their board. If they have two players rated equally but one is at a position of need and the other isn't then they will go with the one of need. Could it happen that by doing that they miss out on a potential HOF player? OF COURSE! Does that mean that they were wrong to draft the other player since the two had their same grade? NO!!! Again the draft is a lottery. A player has a better chance of never starting a game during their entire rookie contract than becoming a Pro Bowl level player. No one, not you, not me, not Gute, etc... knows if a player is going to be good or not. Now stop with your moronic draft takes because you are doing nothing but embarrassing yourself.
TKWorldWide
February 27, 2024 at 05:30 pm
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golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 10:30 am
I thought we were a lock to pick Karlaftis in 2022 also. Watt turned out way better than advertised though.
I will bet you are a conspiracy theory guy.
jannesbjornson
February 27, 2024 at 10:34 am
No doubt, this guy cannot blow this draft. Seven of the One Picks on the D are his guys. Soon to be five, or six remaining. When he bagged Gary, I was expecting more heavy fronts, but he gets cross-trained and plays part-time as a rookie. Same situation with Van Ness. Hafley should recognize the need for a true plugger upfront and send a telegram to Gutedkunst:. "Stop the Run" and control the fourth quarter. Play to Win.
RCPackerFan
February 27, 2024 at 07:49 am
Tis the season!
For the Bears, If I'm them I draft a QB #1 overall. I keep Fields unless they are offered a good package deal for him. This is where most teams make the mistakes. They take the QB high then start him right away. They start him before he is ready, and then he fails with a poor team. I think the Bears would be smart to keep Fields as the starter, and they have who they think is the best QB in the draft. By doing this it could have a ripple effect. First it could make Fields play really well. Sometimes when you have that competition, it brings the best out in you. And if that happens then they could keep Fields or trade him. But it also allows the young QB to play when he is ready. Not to be forced on the field before. It is very rare that a Rookie QB comes in and lights up the league in their rookie year. And by year 3-4 a lot of them start to fade.
The Vikings would be wise to try and move up and get whatever QB they can. They need a young player that can come in and be the future. But they would also be wise to find a way to bring back Cousins. I don't know what other QB's are on the market, so unless they trade for one Cousins is really the only option they have.
For GB, I am going to assume they will be looking Defense in the first round. With a new defensive system and new staff, I think they will try to find the pieces they feel they need to get the defense to where they want it. I think in general this will be a pretty big defensive draft for GB. But I see them coming away with at least 1 RB and 2 OL from this draft. First few picks though, I am guessing will mostly be defense.
GregC
February 27, 2024 at 08:23 am
What you are suggesting for the Bears makes too much sense. I hope they are not listening. I also agree that the Vikings should draft a QB but try to keep Cousins. Their backups were terrible last year. But Cousins is probably not worth a big long-term contract at this point, so they may have to move on anyway. It will be interesting to see what kind of deal Cousins can get, and whether it will be with the Vikings or another team.
RCPackerFan
February 27, 2024 at 08:59 am
Maybe because we have now seen 2 QB's succeed after sitting on the bench and waiting to play until they were ready to, and also seeing a guy like Mahomes sitting his rookie year. Maybe that has influenced my thinking. But I feel like too many QB's get "ruined" by being played too early. I'm not saying QB's should sit for 3+ years. I am just saying that if the QB isn't ready they shouldn't play.
This last year Stroud was clearly ready. Young wasn't. Levis I feel like played before he should have as well.
I am curious to see what Cousins gets. The hard part is the injury. He is an upper tier QB before the injury. With his age and now the injury how does that affect him? It will be interesting to see what happens there.
golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 03:56 pm
I hope the Bears draft a QB with every pick they have.
Guam
February 27, 2024 at 08:55 am
While I very much agree with your last paragraph RC, I am not sure the draft does. None of the linebackers or safeties (the Packer's greatest needs) seem to carry a first round grade and Gute is not the type to reach too much. I suspect Gute either trades out of the first round or goes OL at #25. Not an ideal situation, but the talent available may require that kind of move.
RCPackerFan
February 27, 2024 at 09:58 am
I am curious how much the combine affects the draft with players. But right now as the draft stands today, I could see them looking at DL, LB or CB at 25.
From what I have seen so far some people have Cooper in the top 30 at ILB. He could be an option. I think they will be look at S in round 2. CB or DL seem like real possibilities as well in round 1.
The thing we don't know right now is what Hafley wants and how he wants to use his players. Maybe he is looking at our current defense and says he wants a more true 4-3 DE. Or maybe he is saying he wants a big clogger in the middle of the DL. For his CB's we know he likes press, so maybe he wants a more physical CB.
I could see them looking at OL, but based on the tendencies of Gutey odds are that he will draft defense with the first pick. Since taking over in 2018 he has used 7 of his 8 1st round picks on defense. The 1 offensive pick was Love.
He has taken 2 CB's. 2 Edge players. 1 Safety, 1 ILB, 1 DL.
I could see him moving in the draft as well. If someone falls that he wants I could see him moving up. He has extra picks to maneuver around. That would not be a surprise at all.
golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 10:45 am
Hopefully GB doesn't waste # 25 on LB or D-line. That would be the quickest way to blow up this draft. After looking at way too many mocks, I can say that Cooper has not had a first round grade in 98% of them. I really don't think he goes in the 2nd round either.
2024 is a really weak LB draft. There is a group of 4 decent ones but no standouts like there usually are. In fact, Trevin Wallace and Tyrice Knight are almost as good as those 4.
The DT group is also not real strong, especially after the 2nd round. Luckily, it's probably our 8th biggest need this year and hopefully we pass on the Top 5. 2025 looks to be a way better year for DT. Alabama has a 6'5 370lb guy that runs 4.9. Georgia has a strong 6'3 330 lb run stopper who would be a better pick than of the 2024 guys.
RCPackerFan
February 27, 2024 at 01:08 pm
Just remember with mock drafts they are typically behind where the NFL scouts are. That is why there are changes when it gets closer to the draft. A lot of people are hearing more of what the scouts are thinking.
This is the time of year we always hear "there is no way player A will be at whatever pick" and then they go 20 picks later.
My biggest thing right now is I don't know what Hafley wants to run his defense. I look at this change as something similar to 2009 when Capers made the switch to the 3-4. They went and got Raji and Mathews in that draft. They got players that were geared specifically for the defense that Capers wanted to run. That is how I am looking at this draft early right now. I think they will be looking for some scheme specific players that Hafley will want.
mrtundra
February 27, 2024 at 08:12 am
I do not care what either the Bears or the vikings do. I like them where they are: as co-cellar dwellers in the NFC-North.
Coldworld
February 27, 2024 at 08:16 am
Worry about us. The Packers have no control over what other teams do. Just focus on getting better ourselves to the greatest extent possible. Trust our own drafting. The time to learn and prepare for emerging challenges in the league or division was over the season.
Packer_Fan
February 27, 2024 at 08:56 am
Who cares about the Bears. First Gute needs to use his 1st and 2nd round picks to gain some 4th and 5th rounders.
My first three picks for the Packers are in order the LB from Texas, then S from Miami, and C-G from Oregon. Then 1 or 2 T, high pick RB, plus 1 or 2 CB, another S and RB, EDGE for depth.
Free agency: pick up a veteran safety and resign Owens at cheap rate
DoubleJ
February 27, 2024 at 09:45 am
"C-G from Oregon"
He isn't making it to pick 58 much less 41. There is a very good chance he doesn't even make it to 25.
Leatherhead
February 27, 2024 at 09:36 am
Remember that scene in Draft Day where Costner writes something down on a piece of paper and puts it in his pocket? And it said "Mack, no matter what". If you've ever watched a kid in the candy store, there's a lot of indecisiveness, but if you go in there knowing what you're going to get, no matter what, it can bring some clarity.
For me, my note would be "load up the offense, especially the protection". I think we've got a team that can run at the Super bowl for a couple of years, and nothing would derail that faster than Love getting hurt.
golfpacker1
February 27, 2024 at 10:52 am
My wife is a Yankees fan. Everyday I tell her the "new biggest" rumors of who the Yankees are going to sign. And it's always wrong. Everyone is guessing right now who the Packers will draft in 2024. And most of those guesses will be wrong.
I do think the #25 pick should be O-line, CB, or trade back. Over drafting a LB or picking a DT that won't play with #25 will affect all of the rest of our picks. We will be scrambling to fill our biggest needs with our 3rd and 4th choices at those positions.
PackEyedOptimist
February 27, 2024 at 11:43 am
I swear people on this site have a reading comprehension problem.
😃
I asked above how people would feel about Gutey picking a QB at 25, and almost all the comments act like I said that’s what we should do! That’s NOT what I said (in fact I said it was not what I would do!)
However, if GUTEY decided it was a good idea, I’d be mildly surprised, but I’d give him plenty of slack.