Cory's Corner: I Would Not Want To Be Brian Gutekunst

The Packers general manager is seemingly caught between a rock and a hard place. 

I wouldn’t want to be Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst right now. 

On one side, he’s got a future Hall of Fame quarterback that is waffling on his future. Presumably, it appears that Aaron Rodgers’ choices have been whittled down to returning to Green Bay, getting traded to the Jets — a team that hasn’t tasted the playoffs since 2010, or just hang up the cleats and retire. 

On the other hand, there’s Jordan Love. Obviously if Gutekunst thought Love was the guy, he would’ve made him the starter a long time ago. There was a reason Gutekunst surprised so many by trading up from No. 30 to No. 26 to take a quarterback that threw an FBS-high 17 interceptions in 2019 at Utah State. 

The reason why this is such a delicate decision is because both sides could take the fork in the road. Is Gutekunst prepared if Rodgers wants to come back? I mean, there are so many people out there claiming that the Packers are ready to move on. And maybe they are, but are they ready if Rodgers truly wants to come back? 

Does that mean Gutekunst has to pivot and trade away Love? Because, there’s no way that Love is going to want to come back to Green Bay yet again. No matter how much praise Love has garnered from coaches and players, he wants to play. He has been in the league three seasons, and he still hasn’t gotten consistent snaps.

So does Gutekunst opt for a quarterback that will turn 40 in December or one that he bet the ranch on? Make a wrong move and it will likely cost Gutekunst his job. I know that there is a groundswell of people that think Gutekunst’s job should already be lost, but look at the gems he has discovered on the offensive line and how he has rebuilt the inside linebacker position. 

Then again, even if Love is the quarterback moving forward, Rodgers’ financial strain will be felt. If the Packers trade him before June 1, the dead cap number is $40.3 million and if he’s traded after June 1, the number falls to $15.8 million. Rodgers has said that he has been open to a contract restructure, but if the contract needs that much massaging, why was a three-year, $150.8 million contract offered last March?

Everyone is saying that Rodgers has a tough decision, but Gutekunst’s decision is next to impossible. Even if he does make the right call, he’s going to polarize the fan base. Half the fan base thinks that Rodgers should be the Packers quarterback until his final day in the league and half thinks that it’s time to rip the band-aid off and start fresh. 

If the Packers can get a big return, they almost can’t say no. Adding assets for an inexperienced quarterback is exactly what could get this team back to winning consistently. But…can it make them the ultimate winners?
 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 06:25 am

"Everyone is saying that Rodgers has a tough decision, but Gutekunst’s decision is next to impossible. Even if he does make the right call, he’s going to polarize the fan base. Half the fan base thinks that Rodgers should be the Packers quarterback until his final day in the league and half thinks that it’s time to rip the band-aid off and start fresh."

Gutey already made his decision, when he traded up in the first round to draft Love... We are in this terrible situation because of Murphy, but Gutey made his decision a long time ago...

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GregC's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:39 am

A lot of people seem certain that this mess is all Murphy's doing, but he and Gutekunst could very well be in lock step on this, for all we know. Or it could even be mostly Gutey's decision, with Murphy supporting it.

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:44 am

If Murphy would just get out of the way, then we could be sure whose mess it really is. As it stands, nobody knows.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:03 am

Then they should have gone with Love in 2020. Rodgers covered for them.

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murf7777's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:24 am

Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve…..alll may be true. So, if they won a SB with Rodgers none of that would be right. Nobody knew the outcome, the FO made a decision they thought was right. Guess what nobody bats 1000%, in hindsight they would go with Love.

What if the Packers never drafted Rodgers then none of this would be happening and again nobody knows what the outcome would be. That said, I’m very, very happy they drafted Rodgers, even with all his Diva attitude.

I live in the present, all else is water over the damn.

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Philarod's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:24 am

Over or under the dam? I'm confused.

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NJmike15's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:08 am

It's under the bridge and over the dam

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Philarod's picture

March 14, 2023 at 04:57 pm

....and on the dam(n) bridge!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:24 am

Thanks BDU, saved me some typing.

This is all Murphy's doing with strong support from MLF and Ball who over-ruled Gutey IMO.

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GregC's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:40 am

How do you know this? Are you just guessing, or do you have access to some information that I have not seen?

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 14, 2023 at 01:09 pm

They may be in Silos, but they still hold the same Silage.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:25 am

Spot on BD!

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DILLIGAF's picture

March 20, 2023 at 02:38 pm

Good thing he made that decision. At least there is an option at QB instead of looking to Free Agency.
I can say last years contract to Rodgers was a bonehead move. He should have been traded last year for 3 first rounders. It is better to get rid of a player a couple of years early than a year too late.

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NickPerry's picture

March 14, 2023 at 06:42 am

SIGH...

Here we are, March 14th and we're still in the will he, won't he wait and see mode with Aaron Rodgers. He SAID he'd make a decision quickly this year, by March 15th, he wouldn't draw it out. Yet here we are, the day before the actual start of Free Agency and we STILL don't know. I suppose since it's March 14th there's no reason to complain. Still plenty of time eh Aaron?

Wingo is saying what the half of Packers fans who want to trade Rodgers want to hear...The deal is DONE. Rappaport shoots it down a few minutes later with there's no new news.

DOUBLE SIGH...

I suppose Gutekunst is in a bad spot although I don't really blame him for this mess. I mean we all heard what Mark "We're not idiots" Murphy did his best to muddy the water with his comments about Rodgers being a thing of the PAST this last weekend. Gute HAD a plan in 2020. That was blown up by Murphy. Gute took over a team with a HEALTHY salary cap, one that NEVER borrowed from the future. Murphy has saw to blowing up the shit out of that. The Packers just keep shoveling money to future years. Adding VOID years like Skittles.

Stockholder has mentioned some of us are "Haters" when it comes to Rodgers. I've never been a hater, not really, it takes energy and isn't very productive. But I will say with each passing day, I don't like Aaron Rodgers a bit more with each passing day. I'm SICK of him. I'm SICK of the waiting. I'm SICK of doing it for a 3rd straight year!

I'll just wait for a text or call from one of my buddies when Rodgers finally makes up his mind. Then I'll CONTINUE to believe in Gutekunst once that happens...SIGH...

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:17 am

Just a thought on why maybe this has taken so long for Rodgers to decide.

I think there is a real possibility that Rodgers didn't want to leave GB. But he learned/figured out that there are enough people in the organization that doesn't want him back for whatever the reasons are. Which is why at the end of the season he said it would have to be a mutual thing at the end of the season.

ultimately I think Rodgers wants to be back in GB, but he knows they really don't want him back, which basically means he has been debating on whether to retire or to be traded to the Jets. Which is why I think retirement is more of a realistic option because I don't know how much he truly wants to play for the Jets.

I could be way off, but I think there is a possibility that this is true and a very big reason for the hesitation.

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GregC's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:31 am

This is what I'm thinking too. Murphy went public with the organization's desire to move on from Rodgers, which lowers his trade value, but at this point it is worth it to the organization because priority #1 is to slam the door shut on a Rodgers return. They had to do stuff like this to move on from Favre too. On paper, Rodgers has the power to return to Green Bay if he wants to, but I suspect that the organization can make it very, very difficult for him to do so. It's a shame that they let themselves get into this situation in the first place. Now they are in damage control mode.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:00 am

"It's a shame that they let themselves get into this situation in the first place. Now they are in damage control mode."

I do think about this part often. How different would our last 3 years have been if they didn't draft Love. Lets say they stayed at their pick and they took Tee Higgins instead of Love.

I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision to draft Love and not saying that Love won't be great or any of that stuff. I am just saying if they didn't make that move, how different would our last few years have gone.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:08 am

Nobody knows what would've happened.

We could've won a Super Bowl or two?

Maybe we're in an even worse position, because maybe AR12 doesn't win two back-to-back MVPs and we don't have Love waiting in the wings? Who knows?

Bengals lost both of their starting Safeties in Free Agency, so that defense won't be the same next season...

Lazard in talks with the Jets, tells me the announcement of Rodgers to the Jets is today, so does it really matter?

Go LoveGun Go!

; )

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:28 am

We really don't. But it is one of those cross roads that definitely altered the future of the Packers. What if they traded up to get Jefferson instead of trading up to get Love. Imagine having Jefferson and Adams together. Damn that would have been exciting.

I do believe the Love pick motivated Rodgers to winning back to back MVP's. So if that was the case, then the pick was worth it.
And if Love becomes the next in line of HOF QB's then it was also worth the pick.

One of those hypotheticals and what if kind of things. We never will know what would have happened, but it does make you wonder.

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:26 am

"I do believe the Love pick motivated Rodgers to winning back to back MVP's. So if that was the case, then the pick was worth it."

False equivalency, because the MVPs were ultimately worth nothing to the TEAM. Gutekunst drafted for the future; the fact that it motivated AR to up his game was a probably unexpected bonus.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:08 am

Correct, it is on the brain trust. Now they want the Money proffered from their Deal back to the piggy bank.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:13 am

We would have drafted another. Love is just another guy in the middle of an era obviously ending at some point but no one knowing when.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:30 am

In 2008, Packer fans were going through the same drama. So ironic.

At that time, NO ONE knew or even forecasted Rodgers would be an MVP or HOF in waiting.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:28 am

Yes, the amount of convinced disbelief in Rodgers even after the Dallas game and during the 2008 season appears to have been forgotten.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:31 am

RC, I completely agree with you. Nothing against Jordan, I hope he turns out to be our next great QB, but there is no doubt that pick has led to a big part of the turmoil over the last 3 years. Who knows what Rodgers' contract would look like now if it was negotiated without the influence of the JL pick.

In a perfect world, with the benefit of hindsight, we would have drafted Higgins and Jordan Love would be available at 15 this year. In retrospect, now would be the perfect time to draft your future QB.

Alas, we don't live in a perfect world and we can only hope it turns out to a great decision by Gute.
In the meantime..
Go Jordan, and GPG!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:39 am

I always felt that the timing of drafting the QB was not the right time. We compare Rodgers to Favre a lot, but the one difference is that Favre had been talking about retiring before they drafted Rodgers and he ended up falling to them. Rodgers never talked about retiring until after they drafted Love.

I agree that this year would have been the correct year to draft one.

Now that they drafted Love and it appears he is set to be our new starting QB, I hope he can follow a similar path that Rodgers did. One that leads to several years of great QB play!

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croatpackfan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:09 am

"In a perfect world, with the benefit of hindsight, we would have drafted Higgins and Jordan Love would be available at 15 this year. In retrospect, now would be the perfect time to draft your future QB."

They traded up because they knew some of the teams in front of them will take Jordan Love. Yeah, I know that you would be suspicious with my claim, but by many draftnick he was projected to be taken as 3rd QB in 2020 draft, over Justin Herbert. It does not hapoened, but still it was not likely that he will lasted till Green Bay was on clock.

Go, in hindsight and find talks about available QBs in 2020 draft. Maybe that will open your eyes.

I also asked myself why they drafted him as "nobody", at least on Packers blogs, podcasts or pages were talking about him. But, I found the rest of the NFL was very often talking about him. They are quite constant with their evaluation. He is projected high because all of them said he has rare talent and highest ceilling of all of the offered QBs. He was not ready for NFL at 2020, but if team would give him a time to develop he might pan out as the best QB from that class.

And NO. He would not be in 2023 draft available at 15 for drafting him. After all he would also needed few years to polish his crafts.

To be able to draft NFL ready QB you have to draft as high as between 1st and lets say 8th pick.

All other QBs are prospects. Like it was ACR, picked at 26th.

And, than expkain why ACR was not made his "I will never ever again play for Packers" if he was so offended by this pick. I can tell you why. He saw on practice that Jordan Love has huge talent and that was the reason why he was waiting the eve of 2021 dratf. If you think I'm wrong, give another reason.

Thank you.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:35 am

Thanks for the response croat. It doesn't really address what I said in the post you responded to but that's ok. My post was a "perfect world" hypothetical situation in which Love was not picked in 2020, but was available in 2023 and how the dynamics of the team would be different.

"And, than expkain why ACR was not made his "I will never ever again play for Packers" if he was so offended by this pick. I can tell you why. He saw on practice that Jordan Love has huge talent and that was the reason why he was waiting the eve of 2021 dratf. If you think I'm wrong, give another reason."

It wasn't meant to defend Rodgers, nor was it meant to question what really happened. No need for me to debate what you said my friend : )

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croatpackfan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:41 am

OK. Thanks for the answer. I admit that I might wrongly understood your post. And - no hard feelings.

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:28 am

Rodgers' personality has led to this "turmoil", not any specific draft pick. And drafting your future QB in the same year as your HOF QB retires or is traded is NOT a perfect time - it is, in fact, at least one year too late. See any washed-up first round QB and Patrick Mahomes for examples - and Mahomes replaced a non-HOF QB.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:56 am

"Rodgers' personality has led to this "turmoil""

Perhaps this is true jurp. However, in the scenario I posted, Love was not picked, but was available in this years draft, so there is none of the turmoil in the way it exists today. Surely you can agree that the dynamics would be different.

Would AR have been talking retirement the last 3 years? Would the AR contract signed last year be the same without the JL dynamic? Would the communication about how long AR wanted to play have come up in discussions with the FO? We'll never know.

My post doesn't defend Rodgers. That's a waste of time in here. I just thought it would be cool to analyze a hypothetical situation where the Love pick was available now as opposed to 2020 and what the Packers would look like.

Unfortunately the disdain for AR in here will always lead back to what an a-hole he is, so I guess it was a pointless exercise : ) Sorry.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:33 am

Unless you are suggesting that we wouldn’t have picked up a QB prospect despite Rodgers being in his late 30s and a with contract coming to an end, that’s just hot air. Yes, we might have waited a year and then picked another prospect, perhaps a less developmental one too. To me this argument is one that seems good only if you are wearing blinders.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:46 am

What argument? What is there to argue about? It's hypothetical.

Hot air and blinders?

I'll be glad when this is over CW. Sorry you didn't like my post I will try harder to earn your approval.

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:02 am

Where the Packers have picked in the draft over the years, a QB prospect with a 1st round grade almost never makes it to them.

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:15 am

Lost in those discussions is the fact that Jordan Love had already dropped 10 draft positions from where he was projected, Gutekunst & LaFleur couldn't believe it, and they traded up 4 spots to steal him away. (My best recollection of those events, ICBW).

You're 100% spot on with this, dobs, and they knew it as well, in the moment during R1 of that 2020 NFL Draft.

The Packers stole Jordan Love that day, and we'll see that realization with our own eyes, finally, in 2023.

I'm that certain on this.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 14, 2023 at 01:47 pm

GG, been saying the same thing myself for 3 years now.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 02:05 pm

so true and why I loved Gutey jumping on the opportunity!

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wildbill's picture

March 14, 2023 at 06:07 pm

Good point but we don’t really know if any other teams, other than the Packers, had a first round grade on Love

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Tekraut17's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:03 am

Well if we didn't take Love in that draft we for sure would have drafted a different one the next year. It's what teams do that don't want to be caught with their pants down, not having a quality "QB of the future". The front office had no idea how long AR was planning on playing and he had been injured a couple different times prior. They did what they thought AT THE TIME was the best for the TEAM long term. As far as AR dragging this out I don't have an issue with it as long as he makes a decision before FA hits so the team can make some moves. Maybe they are doing a multiple player deal within the deal or are figuring out contracts but I think we'll know by tomorrow at the latest.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:54 am

"The front office had no idea how long AR was planning on playing and he had been injured a couple different times prior."

I agree Tek. I wonder if they had a conversation with him at the exit meetings at the end of the 2019 season. It certainly would make sense to ask your 36 year QB that question before you draft his replacement. Not that you need his permission, just to get an idea where he is at regarding how long he wants to play, and keep the lines of communication open.

I have no problem with the pick other than it may have come a year or two early. If the Love pick works out as well as the Rodgers pick did, I will be ecstatic, but it seems as though the Packers organization would have learned something from the Favre/Rodgers transition.

How hard is it to say "hey Aaron your 36, and you've been banged up. How long are you thinking you want to play? Just know this, part of our job is to plan for the future, and if a QB drops to us and he is at the top of our board, we're going to take that chance just like we did with you. It's business"

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 02:15 pm

Maine,
Why pamper him? He is a player and is paid to play QB not for the FO to involve him in player acquisition approval. Who amongst us is going to accept the fact that the team is looking to replace you?

I recognize one of the problems AR has had is the Packer organization did not include him in player decisions. This is also just one of my main problems I have had with AR. Just look at the news that AR has now provided the Jet's with a list of players he wants. He still is trying to control who he wants to play with. I am so hopeful AR becomes the Jets headache. Hopefully, Jordan Love learns from all this AR drama and during his career simply chooses to play QB to the best of his ability. That is a novel idea isn't it?

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MainePackFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 02:27 pm

Knock,
I don't see giving a player a heads up as pampering, I see it as communicating. Big difference.

As for the rest of it, who knows what's really going on. I don't buy into every rumor as written. I am sure there is some truth to most of them, but they rarely turn out in the way they are initially portrayed.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 02:29 pm

C'Mon Man...

It's all rainbows and shit in work places these days... If AR could work from home, I'm sure they'd let him. SMH

I'm surprised how well AR12 learned from Brett Favre! Favre was a rookie compared to the spanking AR12 gave our FO...

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wildbill's picture

March 14, 2023 at 06:09 pm

I seem to remember Rodgers stating that he wanted to play until 40 but I could be wrong.

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NickPerry's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:02 am

Then why go on McAfee right after the season and talk about being unsure of what he wanted to do in 2023? He talked about it needing to be the right situation, the right fit? Maybe the Packers don't want him back because when they signed him to a 3 year $153 million dollar extension they assumed the bullshit wouldn't happen for at least another year, a reprieve until at least 2024 maybe?

IMO the Packers thought they had at least 2 years of Rodgers WITHOUT what's become an annual thing. Then right after the season ended he's on McAfee casting doubts. Maybe he wants to be in Green Bay RC, but I think the Packers are TIRED of it all. It's a fucking circus. Neither team can move FORWARD.

The Packers have did EVERYTHING to make this guy happy, to ensure he retired a Packer. Then after ONE season, a season where he did NOTHING but the MINIMUM, he's unsure...AGAIN. Then WHY did the Packers half to mortgage their future and make you the highest paid?

Whatever the issues are and we'll probably never even know the half of it RC, let it just be over. Retirement? See ya! Green Bay? Yup, as Loves BACKUP. The Jets? Now your talking! Either way I'm fine with it...JUST DO IT!

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:21 am

I asked the question yesterday, what changed from Training camp to the final presser. Training camp when asked if he would retire as a Packer and he said definitely (or whatever is response was). When asked at the end of the season he said it would have to be a mutual thing.

I think what changed was he got the feeling or he found out that there are definitely people in the building that didn't want him back. Which is why this offseason has changed from him committed to GB. Why would he want to be back if people there don't want him back? If you go to your job and you find out some upper management don't want you to work there, wouldn't you be unhappy with that and ultimately look for another place to work?

"Whatever the issues are and we'll probably never even know the half of it"
This is the whole point. We have no clue what the truth is behind it. Its all guessing and trying to read between the lines.

I think we just need to take a breath and relax. It will work out how it works out. We don't control anything, so we might as well just sit back and watch what to see what happens.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:38 am

He said and did the same last year. It seems to me that Rodgers has a hard time making final decisions. Not uncommon.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:11 am

I would suggest last year wasn't much different in what AR was thinking. Meaning, do the Packers want to move on? The difference is in what the Packers are thinking. Rodgers knew at the end of the last game there was a good possibility he walking out of that stadium for the last time as the QB of the Green Bay Packers. You can see it in everything he said and did.

AR's decision has been made CW, the Packers know it. The Jets know it. Right, wrong or indifferent, I believe the hold up probably has to do with concessions AR wants, and /or the details of the trade . What AR is looking for we can only guess. It could be he wants some of his boys to go with him. Bahk, Cobb, Lazard? Who knows.

One thing for is for sure. He's not publicly giving up the retirement card until he is satisfied with whatever concessions he is looking for.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 14, 2023 at 04:25 pm

It’s so obvious but you insist on making it a beautiful mystery. What changed? He played like shit. No one, not even the Packer front office will put up with his bullshit if he doesn’t win.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:36 am

AR,
Needed one more season to break all the remaining QB records such as the overall # of wins, and pass completions, etc. If you know AR you know how important that is to him.

Frankly, no one should feel bad for AR as he brought all this on himself with his arrogance and disdain for the FO, coaches & rookies. After signing that misguided & bloated salary all he had to do was be appreciative & thankful. All he had to do was show up last spring at OTA's and work with Watson, Doub, and Toure. To listen and work with the coaches and run plays. The fact McGinn was right after all and the FO is disgusted and want nothing to do with Rodgers is 100% on Rodgers the person. Has very little to do with the 8 & 9 record. People want to take shots at the FO but at the end of the day they treated AR like a King but he dropped the ball. Time to move on!

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croatpackfan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:49 am

Knock,

I also believe ACR and Mark Murphy have lot of in common. Not everything, but some selfishness and arrogance.

I also agree that this way of ending "marriage" has nothing to do with 8-9 record. It has everything to do with ACR attitude and work manner. They were going behind "all in" while ACR were fooling around in South America.

I will write this again: IF YOU WANT TO BE RESPECTED, FIRST RESPECT OTHERS! Otherwise you will not get respect!

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:33 am

He's waiting to announce on the Pat & Stimpy show today. It's his way. We should find out today.

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zerotolerance's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:08 am

So true Nick, So true.

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davekenya's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:35 am

It could also be that AR made his decision a week or so ago (okay playing with another team)...and let GB know this. The delay could be that when he met with the Jets brass he said 'you go sign either Lazard or Cobbie next week when FA opens up and, once one of them is in the fold, my name's on the dotted line and I'm on board.'

(IF you sign one of them THEN I'll play for you Jets). This also does not seem like something AR would NOT say or want...

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:50 am

Well said, my brother.

My take on this "wait," is nothing more than the blockbuster trade becoming even more so. I believe the Packers are going to facilitate what they are able to for the Jets in return for additional future draft compensation.

Kind of like: Strike while the iron's hot!"

I thought that might be the case a month or two ago, just pondering how a trade might come together, knowing the Jets had their asses hanging out there with a very weak stable of Offensive Linemen, their cap eviscerated via this trade, unable to sign additional FA OL, and knowing AR's previously demonstrated demands to bring his friends along.

Now, we can readily assume Bak is in the deal, maybe another OL, which would make a ton of sense from the Jets' standpoint (maybe for the Packers too knowing how many OGs we currently have, and 2023 being an insanely weak OG draft class, further driving up the price), and now? What could be the hold up? Allen Lazard.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers re-sign Lazard to eat the bigger part of the cap hit, in exchange for draft capital, exactly the same way they worked Bakhtiari's extension last week.

TGR is the cap expert here, and I wonder if this is possible? Is that something the Packers would be able to pull off to close this deal? Admittedly, I'm out of my wheelhouse on this part. Just a thought that hit me after the Bak deal went down, as his deal screams, "trade me!"

In essence, Lazard would be their big FA signing. Maybe NYJ can't swing it on their own, and need an assist from GB to make that happen?

The terms on all of this stuff would indeed be unprecedented, would take time, but, it would help everybody to get exactly what they want.

Maybe the crux is that the Packers are actually wanting to bring Lazard back themselves?

if you think about it, Aaron would want to be protected, and Bakhtiari along with another Packers starter he would be familiar with would fit the AR MO, which leads to both sides completing the circle with Lazard somehow being worked into the deal...

It's out there. I know. But, possible? It's certainly plausible.

The Jets, with ownership direction on this, are seemingly willing to trade away a great deal of future draft capital in exchange for Packers players that Aaron Rodgers is comfortable with, and financial assistance from the Packers to make it all work.

"Plug & play," Woody said. How else can he upgrade his OL? Seems this might be his only option.

If they pull this off it's going to be a tight squeeze for everybody, instantly becoming one of the biggest trades in NFL history should it be realized. Trey Wingo described it as "a massive blockbuster."

Why else would he say that? There are no other motivations I can think of other than this actually being true.

Seems logical. The Packers could be in the process of setting themselves up with multiple top picks extending out for years, with their agreeing to giving the provisions of multiple players, contract manipulations, and assistance with the massive cap $$$, which would be incurred by both teams.

I'm just sittin' back waiting for it all to hit. That's my guess on how all of this will go down. We'll see.

(*** Just for kicks, can see Gutey saying, "Hey, did you see how the Bears made out on their draft trade???" - and the room erupting in laughter). ROFLMAO

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 02:26 pm

Provocative GG and I like the possibilities! It might be painful at first but would make the future look promising. Whether one acknowledges the Packers are (semantics) re-tooling - re-loading, restructuring, or simply in rebuild heavy construction is now underway in GB. What you suggest would greatly help facilitate the Packers return to dominance.

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 03:33 pm

Glad you like it. Just some ideas I had on this that have been hitting me along the way.

Have to tell you it was pretty funny for me to hear Trey Wingo characterize it as "a monster blockbuster." That kind of made me feel good, actually.

This just seemed to be too right on the money, for both football teams.

Yeah, man. Nothing's happening until tomorrow. Deadline is tomorrow. Both teams might need all of that time. Something tells me, just have a sense the main structure of deal for AR is set, probably Bak too, but anything else they are liking tying up in a nice bow right now as best they can.

I thought something was up when Lazard's first statements were indicating that he's gone, gone, gone. There was no "Maybe" or "I'd like to come back to play for the Packers," kind of stuff.

Looking forward to seeing the final deal they've put together. Draft Day 1 & 2 could be something else for our Packers. Maybe for years...??? We'll find out soon enough.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 04:56 pm

What I have been hoping and hoping for!

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T7Steve's picture

March 14, 2023 at 06:59 am

I don't remember who on CHTV said, "He'll wait till Tuesday the 14th to announce his decision on the Pat McTanktop show.".

Whoever that was is a wise person, and I'll wait all day with bated breath. HA!

Let's get a football team going please!

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:30 am

I think this is pretty much right: it's his "taking my talents to South Beach" moment. "Stay tuned" seemed to point us to spectacle.

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:32 am

He'll probably rip the shirt he's wearing off his chest to reveal a Jets jersey (I hope), in hopes that the video goes viral.

I have posts either way already lined up when he finally deigns to inform the universe of his future plans.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 14, 2023 at 06:35 pm

Too good, dobber. If only someone could bribe Jim Gray to ask 12 the same questions he asked Lebron. A made-for-TV moment has been wasted. Everything is ruined! RUINED, I TELL YOU.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:46 am

We all knew he was going to wait until the last possible moment and likely break the news on the PMS...

I said it several times, but I don't call him McTanktop... Think that is jurp? Or maybe the other guy that starts with j? ; )

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T7Steve's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:02 am

I don't think I used a direct quote (old age memory), but "McTanktop" seems popular on CHTV so I used it.

I think we all were expecting this, so it will probably turn out to be something else to surprise an exasperate us.

Predict the unpredictable.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:30 am

He may not break the news on PMS...

He may just show up in NYC (New Jersey) and they have a press conference with AR12, Joe Namath, Lazard, and Cobbie? Lol

Lazard as a number 2 WR behind Garrett Wilson and blocking for Breece Hall sounds like a boon for the Jets IMO... Lazard went 60 for 788 and 6 TDs.

Add that to Garrett Wilson with a 2nd year jump and his 83 for 1,103 and 4 TDs and that offense could be wicked if Breece Hall comes back healthy...

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:34 am

I'm not bright enough to have come up with the McTanktop nickname. Was that NickPerry?

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GregC's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:31 am

Makes sense. It could be part of the deal, that Rodgers gets to announce it.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:41 am

Yes, but can he do it with class without throwing the Packer organization under the bus? That is the real question!

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croatpackfan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:45 am

Who cares. If he leave Packers and again spit on them (and us, fans), Packers might not retire his number. What will be good. Another number to use.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 14, 2023 at 04:45 pm

I figure he’ll evade any questions about playing foot the Jets & drag everything out further. But everyone will have tuned in to see what he had to say.

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:01 am

Thank God there are people that want #10 and others that want #12 as QB1.

I fear when there isn't a noise coming from the masses.

I really like BG and believe in him. I want him to have a chance to run this team in his vision. I want #10 to get his chance as a Packer to see if we can change the trajectory of this team as a whole.

In life, you make decisions based on whatever reason you felt it warrants it at the time. At least BG made a decision he felt was best for the team long term. I respect that, whether it ends up right or wrong, I respect his conviction.

GPG!

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croatpackfan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:35 am

Bravo!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:39 am

Murphy has to get out of his way and stop MLF and Ball from messing in Gutey's sandbox. IMO, this would be a very different organization if Murphy stuck to a Harlanesque profile and MLF and Ball were reporting to Gutey.

I have a feeling Rodgers would be enjoying his highs in the Rookie Mountains, and Barry would be a LB coach somewhere not Green Bay. Love would be playing with a few more top draft picks/vets as the Packers were getting ready for another draft with multiple picks in day 1 and 2.

Just a feeling...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:43 am

Regardless of how Love turns out as a player Gutey clearly made the correct decision.

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davekenya's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:43 am

Like many here, I had a job where I had lots of control over some of my work...and spots where I had little control and had to do what the boss(es) said to do...even if it didn't seem the wise way to go. Likely Gute is in same boat.

I would like to think he's frustrated at the limited/qualified role and influence he's had with the whole AR management the last few years.

And that he delights in parts of his job where he has (almost) complete control and this keeps him balanced and sane.

FWIW...from 2020 to 2022, almost 700 free agents changed teams. Out of the 32 teams, Green Bay ranks #1...#1 folks!!!...in terms of AV per 1M salary spent on UFAs. Largely, no doubt to Campbell and Douglass signings, but it shows that Gute is excelling at part of his job beyond what any other GM has been doing. That ain't nothing.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:04 am

At this point who the hell knows what is going on. Do the Packers even know?

That being said, I wouldn't want to be the Packers GM either. Don't get me wrong I'd love to be able to be in charge of the draft and make the picks i thought would work out. But I can't imagine the amount of hate he receives for each small decision. And then it comes to a decision like this. I am assuming Gutey isn't sleeping a lot at nights.

I have said this before but Gutey has to feel great about Love in order to trade Rodgers. Because you are risking a lot giving up Rodgers who is still one of the top QB's in the league. Love has to have shown the potential to be great. But Gutey has to be right because this is a decision that could change the direction of the franchise for the next decade. Also if he is wrong he will be without a job in a couple of years.
This is a decision that even division opponents are hoping they make. Listening to a sports talk show this morning and a guy from Chicago is excited for Rodgers to leave the division. The guy said he is sick of seeing Rodgers beat them every year, he is ready for him to be gone. So you now have division opponents hoping they make this move because they feel that they have a better chance of winning now.

So Gutey and GB have to make the correct decision. Hopefully they have made the right one!

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:37 am

Bears' fans are grasping for any good news that they can get, so our trading Rodgers should get them excited - Love will just step into the owner's box next year and dash their hopes once again.

Has anyone heard from the management of any of our division rivals about a Rodgers trade?

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davekenya's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:48 am

I can't believe the killing Chicago made in trading out of the #1 draft position. They could still screw it up, but they have a heck of a lot of draft capital now. They are so lucky in not needing to worry about drafting a top QB so for them was a no brainer to slide down a few spots ... and still get the top non-QB. I'm not happy about this as a Packer fan.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:56 am

There are no guarantees in life! Having said that the Packers scouted Jordan Love for several years prior to drafting him RC. Now they have had him under roof watching him daily under a microscope dissecting every play & throw. Every coach and scout has had input. Jordan Love is about as close to a guarantee as you can possibly get. This isnt like drafting Zach Wilson only to discover what you have. All Gutey needs to do is surround Love with talented players in this year's draft and he will be successful. As you say Gutey needs to make sure Jordan Love succeeds, so I ask....do you think Gutey is going to take the risk of Love only having an okay season because of drafting defense heavily, or do you think he might draft skilled offensive players to ensure Jordan is successful?

Lastly, while the Packer organization will never share the real reasons for trading Rodgers the reasons are far more than his on field performances.

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T7Steve's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:07 am

I think trying to get Rodgers is the Jets plan to try and save Zack Wilson for the future. He's not done yet. He looked like Love would have looked playing right out of school. Show some flashes but show inexperience too.

This is their plan to try to save their decision to go and get Zach, just like Gute going up to get Love. Hope it works out for everyone.

Rodgers helped both these guys and felt they both had real promise.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:00 am

T7,
The Jet fans appear to really dislike Zach. The guy is only 23 years old and looks like 12. Can you imagine being thrown into the frying pan like that? The best thing for Zach is to have a new start somewhere else.

I will be honest I haven't watched Zach play with the Jets but once AR is traded the Packers have a huge hole at back-up QB. The Jets are swinging for a SB with this trade, so they will not want to give up high draft picks, or good players. Certainly I want at least one high draft pick (preferably more), but I'd love to see Zach Wilson thrown in on the trade giving the Packers two talented & very young QB's at the games most important position. Wilson is only going into his 3rd year of his rookie contract. A GB landing for Zach out of 32 teams would be the softest landing spot to rediscover his confidence. I'd be all for bringing Zach over along with the #13 in 2023, and a conditional pick in 2024.

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 01:02 pm

Wilson would also benefit by having Clement as his QB coach. A win-win, but not if it costs us a high draft pick.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 01:18 pm

Jurp, I am 100% in agreement on that!

Both the Jet's management and the Packers organization recognizes the importance of the PR on this trade for both teams, as it has been almost the only thing discussed on the internet & Sports Channels for weeks. No one team is going to seemingly come out of this trade fleecing the other with a lopsided victory for this reason. I just hope there is enough compensation in future years for the Pack depending on AR's performance, and the years he continues to play.

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T7Steve's picture

March 14, 2023 at 02:34 pm

One benefit of getting Wilson in the trade is that I live in Utah and the interest in him here is so strong I might be able to watch more Packer games. Ha!

I know that wouldn't happen, but if I've learned anything from the Rodgers drama, it's to think of how things could affect and help ME.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 05:03 pm

Now that was major funny T7!

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:05 am

Is this really any different from his position last year at the time of the Murphy/Ball contract? That’s what is the fount of the untenable position, your “rock and a hard place.” Murphy set up this mess. Now we have to hope Rodgers volunteers to end it.

Gute, Love, the roster are are just taking the brunt of the backwash from Murphy signing an indefensible agreement that, a year later, he now wants to escape from and which is hamstringing our ability to pursue any coherent strategy now until resolved.

When are we actually going to start asking questions about the real architect of this mire on CHTV rather than misleadingly pretending this is Gute’s creation and that he has the authority to fix it?

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Guam's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:21 am

Amen CW.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:36 am

Careful Cw --

Don't you know you can't question the government, big pharma, or the media?

Does CHTV qualify as media? Or is it considered entertainment industry? (Doesn't matter, you can't question the entertainment industry either...) SMH

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:28 am

“Two types of people walk this earth, The formed and the conformed.” Oluseyi Akinbami

I’ve always liked that one.

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:43 am

Actually, three types: the formed, the conformed, and the misinformed.

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davekenya's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:50 am

and as homage to our troops...there are also the 'uniformed'...

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:59 am

Or to paraphrase Mongo:

"Gutey just a Packer pawn in the game of NFL life."

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davekenya's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:53 am

Now I'm confused about AR's chess identity...for years he's been the 'Queen' but last off season he Rooked the team with his new contract...so that makes him...

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Johnblood27's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:33 am

CW, I have been abundantly clear on who and what the core issue is with this version of the GBP.

Murphy's doorstep is completely obscured from all of the blame laid there.

Repost...

Yo RC, GBP management cannot just come out and say what they are thinking concerning Rodgers and his contract and playing this coming year beyond the statement "We have a contractual agreement in place with Rodgers".

To say anything more is beyond stupid.

To say anything more defeats the bargaining position of the team.

To say anything more is akin to telling the other players around the poker table what cards you are holding.

The fact that the GBP came out and said "We want you back more than anything in the world" last year gave them the biggest loss in the history of contract negotiations. Look at where it has left them this year with that albatross of a contract tied around their necks.

GBP management has put their feet in their mouths so many times there are permanent footprints on their tongues.

...and above all, Mark Murphy should NEVER talk about anything that falls under the duties of the GM or Head Coach.

Even if they report directly to him.
Even if he tells them every little move to make.

He should NEVER speak publicly concerning either their plans or his directives to them. THAT undermines the entire process as far as advantage to the GBP goes.

Mark Murphy is a complete DOLT and an IDIOT. He needs to keep his mouth SHUT about football operations of the GBP. He can talk all he wants to about the CBA, TV contracts, Gambling cash cuts, real estate development, sledding hills, etc. Football operations? Just STFU you MORON Murphy!

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:51 am

You have. That comment was aimed more at the writers here.
CHTV is becoming distinctly deferential. I can see reasons why we might but there is a point where surely that becomes laughable?

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Since'61's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:22 am

This is what happens when management abdicates their role to an employee or in this case a player. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. With or without Rodgers the Packers have 2 more seasons of Murphy. After that who knows? But until then , "We're not idiots." Thanks, Since '61

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:31 am

*We're not idiots, but Murphy is...

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:40 am

He is definitely not very good in front of a mic.

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:41 am

Murphy isn't an idiot--far from it.
He thinks he can do this job better than the people he's hired--he's not an idiot. He's just wrong.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:55 am

That is the very definition of a fool in a leadership position in much leadership thinking.

"Surround yourself with great people; delegate authority; get out of the way." - Ronald Reagan

"Wise leaders generally have wise counselors because it takes a wise person themselves to distinguish them." - Diogenes of Sinope

"No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself, or to get all the credit for doing it." - Andrew Carnegie

"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint to keep from meddling with them while they do it." - Theodore Roosevelt

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:14 am

There's a difference between being a fool and being an idiot...I won't argue the fool part.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:22 am

An idiot is someone who lacks intelligence. A fool is someone who does unwise things. Two starting points on the path to the same outcomes. So, here, does that distinction matter?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:33 am

No

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T7Steve's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:11 am

You've just described me (as my wife does) to a T. She combines it to qualify me as a foolish idiot. Look, I ended up on CHTV.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:36 am

CW, I know I asked you to post this, but let me make a few edits before you post next time, eh?

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Since'61's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:57 am

Dobber you are correct. he is just wrong. This is a perfect example of a management team that should have used an outside, third parry firm that specializes in HR/Key employee contract negotiations when they decided to extend Rodgers in 2022 and maybe even going back to 2018.

They needed a firm that could handle the contract without the emotional side or any of the other baggage that Murphy and Gute bring into the process. They can still make the final decisions on the money and the length of the contract but a professional firm would never have allowed them to give control away as they have to Rodgers.

My business partner and I used a third party firm to negotiate our contracts with our independent consultants (in and outside of the USA) and even interview our own internal people for promotions. We still made the final decisions but the process was clean, it was fair, and it removed biases and favoritism from the process. It works out better for everyone,

With a guy like Rodgers the Packers needed outside professionals who could provide options that would work for the team and the player without the nonsense. Murphy and Gute have known Rodgers since Day One and they should have understood who they were dealing with and they should have take themselves out of the process except for the dollars, (which is the easiest piece), and the length of the contract. Given the Packers parameters an outside firm would have recommended various exit strategies that could have worked for the team and for Rodger and would have avoided this entire mess which the Packers themselves and they alone have created.

Bottom line fight a player's agent with your own independent agent. It costs money to use this approach but in the end it works out better especially when you are dealing with a guy like Rodgers. This is why I have posted repeatedly that the Packers were stupid in how they handled Rodger's latest contract in 2022. They should have known better and they should have recognized they needed outside help. It is what good, smart management does. "A man (or men) has got to know his/their limitations." But here we are.

Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:30 am

Without seeming to challenge your point, I would note that the imbalance in the structure may magnify the difficulties for the Packers. In Murphy’s own words in the lead up to that contract when he described Ball as the most important man on his team for that off season. If there’s two things known about Ball it’s that he wanted to be GM and Murphy was trying to facilitate that during TTs decline and secondly that he is very much Murphy’s man first and last. Murphy actually claimed that Ball was the MVP of our last Super Bowl!

When the TT era had to be ended in name after Ball’s try out ended amid weak rosters and conflict, Murphy put Ball in a level footing with Gute. At the very least that’s a recipe perhaps for enduring rivalry, but almost certainly for divergence of perspective, objectives and particularly priorities.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:43 am

Murphy might be even more Machiavellian than AARON %'in RODGERS...

; )

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:23 am

I agree Ball was Murphy's fair haired boy and Gutey was Ted's.

Yes. Murphy's Football Committee with him as Chairman began after the 2017 season as Ted was in sad, severe decline and McCarthy knew a change was coming. McCarthy did not like Ball and threatened to resign if Ball replaced Ted...as Murphy seemed inclined to do.

Murphy, showing weak leadership, decided he would not hire/promote a new GM, but would instead become Acting GM to "facilitate communication." It didn't. It just gave more power to the HC and EVP Ball and greatly eroded Gutey's authority.

Being a micromanager of a Football Committee resulted in trying to please everybody while pleasing no one and kicking he salary cap monster down the road....as the monster grew with every kick.

I don't know who is going to replace Murphy in (help us!) two years hence...I expect Ball is who Murphy is pushing, being a numbers/admin guy.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:44 am

Here’s a little piece produced by friends of Mark Murohy back then. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/05/29/wis-0530...

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:27 am

Now, we're on to something.

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Since'61's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:29 am

Coldworld yes you make an excellent point, as usual, about the current organizational structure. That is all the more reason to use an outside firm when dealing with Rodgers. The Packers FO brings its own baggage to the process including what came before with the end of the TT era and Murphy's restructure of the FO. An outside firm doesn't bring any baggage to the process nor do they care about it. They just bring professionalism. Having said that someone needs to perform an honest, non-biased due diligence of any outside firms under consideration before proceeding. But first the management team needs to realize and then agree that going with a third party is the way to go. Thanks, Since '61

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Johnblood27's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:40 am

Since 61, I completely see your point and the examples you give from your extensive experience are convincing.

With that said, Russ Ball is the GBP "In House Agent" for negotiating contracts.

The Packers have hired a complete office of leaders and support staff to do just that, negotiate contracts with the agents of their highest paid union employees.

If the team effort failed in that regard, Russ Ball needs to be front and center in the accountability line.

And as i have said before...

Yo RC, GBP management cannot just come out and say what they are thinking concerning Rodgers and his contract and playing this coming year beyond the statement "We have a contractual agreement in place with Rodgers".

To say anything more is beyond stupid.

To say anything more defeats the bargaining position of the team.

To say anything more is akin to telling the other players around the poker table what cards you are holding.

The fact that the GBP -Mark Murphy- came out and said "We want you back more than anything in the world" last year gave them the biggest loss in the history of contract negotiations. Look at where it has left them this year with that albatross of a contract tied around their necks.

GBP management has put their feet in their mouths so many times there are permanent footprints on their tongues.

...and above all, Mark Murphy should NEVER talk about anything that falls under the duties of the GM or Head Coach.

Even if they report directly to him.
Even if he tells them every little move to make.

He should NEVER speak publicly concerning either their plans or his directives to them. THAT undermines the entire process as far as advantage to the GBP goes.

Mark Murphy is a complete DOLT and an IDIOT. He needs to keep his mouth SHUT about football operations of the GBP. He can talk all he wants to about the CBA, TV contracts, Gambling cash cuts, real estate development, sledding hills, etc. Football operations? Just STFU you MORON Murphy!

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Since'61's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:43 am

Johnblood27, yes we agree that the Packers have a complete staff in place to handle contracts and negotiations. However, sometimes when dealing with an employee or in this case a player like Aaron Rodgers it is wise to at least seek outside advice and counsel. Why? to prevent creating a contract which has given all the leverage to the player and leaving the corporation/team waiting in Limbo as the Packers are currently.

IMO the Packers, specifically Murphy, Gute and Ball, knew who they were dealing with. If nothing else just look at the fact that he runs the clock down on nearly every play to analyze every possible variable/match up before he runs the plays. Imagine what he must be like before signing a contract or in the current scenario deciding on his future. Rodgers is what the military calls a "set piece" general. Meaning he wants all his troops in place before proceeding into battle. A military approach which has not been particularly viable since the Napoleonic Wars.

In any case, knowing Rodgers since 2005, gute and Murphy should have a better understanding of who they are dealing with before giving him a huge contract which not only hurts the team's salary cap but also gives all of the leverage to Rodgers. The "contract staff". should never even consider such a contract, never mind give one out.

So yes, if Murphy is responsible for this he is an "idiot" but if his contract team put this in front of him to sign they should be held accountable as well. This is where a fresh set of "outside eyes" for Murphy and/or Gute could have saved the Packers from their current situation. But here we are, "Waiting for Godot".
Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:10 am

The Peter Principle enters the chat.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:34 am

That in itself is looking increasingly untenable. But then again, the man behind this has controlled the Board nominations for 2 decades and thus those intended to protect the organization in the event of such mismanagement. This is just one effect of destroying the checks and balances set up by Harlen.

By making the President the chief football decision maker, we removed any brakes, rammed up the throttle with that extension and yet the buffers only approach faster. It’s Ironic that the only guy who can save us is Rodgers, because he’s the only one allowed to keep his hand on the throttle since the abdication of control and outcome by contract.

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Since'61's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:45 am

Bingo Coldworld! Thanks, Since '61

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:38 am

I read Cory's bizarre "I want to pander to all the fan groups" rambling above and I read your comments and I find myself asking the question: how did the Packers end up in this position where the GM of the Packers isn't really the GM and the Chair/President has reinstalled himself as the de facto "meddlesome owner" figure?

Then I find myself asking the question: how do we get back to the GM really being the GM and the Chair/President going back to massaging/defleciting the rest of the board, and managing the off-field and philanthropic parts of the organization?

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:43 am

We have a board for that reason in large part. Unfortunately Murphy has obviously turned that into a group of deferential lap dogs. That he could is a sign of a serious weakness. The new Harlen rules should enshrine one that prevents any President assuming control of football operations directly. That shouldn’t be necessary with a minimally competent and diligent board, but we’ve seen clearly that that can not be guaranteed.

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T7Steve's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:32 am

That's why (as I've stated before) I'm worried about Gute AND the coaches. What great NFL GM would work under those circumstances? Have some pride! If you're only doing it for the money, there're lots of other jobs in the world.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:42 am

Only 32 NFL GMs in the world though.

I think Gutey loves his job and the Packers. I think Gutey is looking long-term, because Murphy will have to retire soon, unless he changes that Goal Post too? (God forbid!)

I haven't agreed with all of Gutey's draft choices... I hated the Jace Sternberger pick with Terry McLaurin on the board and going the very next pick to Washington...

But, Gutey embodies the Packers philosophy and he does dip in the FA pool, so I hope he hangs on, out-lasts Mark Murphy, and overcomes all MMs BS. I hope Love vindicates Gutey's decision to draft him too.

Next few years are going to be interesting to say the least.

If Lazard goes to the Jets, do we bring in OBJ? Or D Hop? Wouldn't that be a kick in the nuts for AR12... Lol

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:09 am

BD,
By now haven't we learned with veteran retread WR's in FA isnt the answer? Instead of a stop gap WR for a year or two let's draft WR & TE heavily in the draft. Remember...in Love we likely will have a QB who will actually work out and play with the WR's and TE's in the offseason. By drafting WR's and TE's we will be better not just this year, but in future years! Let's put talent on offense that will grow with Love!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:35 am

I have wondered why Gutey would accept, in actuality, being an Assist. GM to Murphy and give up authority to Ball and MLF. Wolf and TT would never accept such a weak GM role.

I expect he is taking the long view given he already has a lengthy tenure in the Packers organization. I expect he sees taking over the reigns as an Actual GM when Murphy gets the gold watch. Perhaps he even see an opportunity to replace Murphy as President. But Ball wants to be President too.

The Rodgers fiasco is just exposing the tip of the dysfunctional iceberg in the football operation.

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DanL's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:57 am

That’s how I see it too. Last time the Packers lost to the Board Room politics lead to 20 years lost in the NFL desert. I fully expect to see the Pres. show up at practices donning a whistle and clip board soon. We will have come full circle.

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:22 am

This is probably one of the very best, most percent & important points brought up in recent CHTV history.

Why am I not surprised it's you, dobs? Well done, again.

We would all love to know the answer to "how do we get back?"

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croatpackfan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 12:00 pm

Since'61, thank you for this post. I agree completely with you wrote.

I was on that boat first moment that statement "I will never ever play for Packers" break out. If your most expensive employee is still baby in his soul (wealthy one, but still pretty immature) you should know better than comply to his "wishes". Here, in Croatia we have proverb: "Who plays with babies stays peed."

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:28 am

Today is the day!

AR12 will surely announce his decision today on the PMS...

It was always his plan and it doesn't surprise me in the least.

Go Pack Go!

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:36 am

On the PMS...sounds oddly correct.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 02:33 pm

Unfortunately Son, I was wrong again... SMH

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stockholder's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:30 am

Rodger’s isn’t Finished yet:
Rodgers has been a huge Success.
GB should have done everything
To keep him happy and in his uniform.
Rodgers isn’t to blame for any of this.
The idiots are! Screw there Legacy. End their ego trip.
Again we see the mishandling of a Packer
MVP. Another Hall of Famer. A egg on!
A face to face with No Heart. No Rules!
Rodgers required more Talent.
But what he got was Gutey’s “reaching".
The Jordan Love pick was absurd.
And the "complicated Fellow" just Sucks.
IT shows they never cared about contending, {if anything.}
If he leaves GB; That team just become' a contender.

GB can’t play smash In the mouth Football.
They know It, have known it, and the opponent knows it.

Every time Rodgers got mocked.
The mocker faced an unavoidable ill fortune.
Ultimately; Time will be the judge.
(In Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood.)

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MooPack's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:36 am

You ever think about publishing your poetry? I think you've already found your book title: In Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood.

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stockholder's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:07 am

Urban renewal won't publish it.
Next- up MLF Firing.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:55 am

You really need some new material.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:34 am

Why is returning to the Packers even on the table? Trade him to the Jets with the condition that if he retires, GB gets nothing. If he does not retire but refuses to report to the Jets, he is in a holdout and will not get paid and be subject to fines. The Packers compensation can be conditioned on how much he plays. Why do they keep coddling this d-bag? It’s time to put on the big boy pants.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:40 am

d-bag?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:56 am

Lol...

I love Aaron Rodgers. Love what he's meant to this organization, but the mismanagement of the organization has put us in this BS position.

Everyone on earth who follows the Packers knew last year was the perfect time to move on from AR12 by trading him to the Broncos.

Everyone but Mark Murphy apparently.

But Rodgers is the d-bag?

Not hardly.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:32 am

To be fair I didn't think last year was the correct time to move on because I didn't think Love was ready.
Also do we know if the Broncos offered us anything close to what they offered Seattle?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:49 am

Sorry, I was beating the drum for Love and trading AR12 last year. I didn't see any way on earth we could do anything else, but obviously, I was wrong, and so was Mark Murphy for giving AR12 the extension he did. Period.

Going forward, moving on. I believe AR is going to the Jets now. Lazard in talks with the Jets makes me wonder who Gutey might bring in, if in fact Lazard signs with the Jets?

OBJ? D Hop? That would be wicked for Jordan Love in his 1st year of starting.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:32 am

No worries.

yeah, i don't get why they signed the deal they did to a year later basically say, no we are moving on. It makes no sense at all to me.

I agree that Rodgers most likely ends up in NY. Lazard I think goes there if Rodgers does.

I wonder what the trade will look like. Do they try to get Moore as a part of it?

I don't know if they go after a bigger name guy or not.
But I wouldn't be surprised if they used a first round pick on a WR. Which would be kind of ironic. They never used a 1st round pick on a WR while Rodgers was in GB, and the year they would trade him, they draft a WR in the first round.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:54 am

I totally get it...

I'm kind of twisted and don't get me wrong, I love AR12, but if Gutey uses 13 (from trading AR12 to the Jets) for Quentin Johnston and 15 for Dalton Kincaid and they go on to be HOFers and Make Jordan Love a HOFer, I will laugh my A$$ Off while enjoying a couple Super Bowl titles... ; P

Especially when Gutey uses 43 for a LT and 45 for a Right Tackle who both become HOFers too... Lol

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:25 am

lol, nah man, all good.

I think it would be ironic if they made a move like that. Wouldn't that be kind of the ultimate dick move to Rodgers as they trade him, and draft a couple of pass catchers in the first round, In which they never did for him the entire time he was there. Don't get me wrong that got some great 2nd round WR's and I don't believe you have to spend first round picks on WR's. but they never have drafted one in the first round with Rodgers.

Hey I'm all for them drafting all these HOFers'.

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:59 am

"I wonder what the trade will look like. Do they try to get Moore as a part of it?"

With the Jets now reportedly in on both Cobb and Lazard, and with Corey Davis supposedly going to be a cap casualty, I think they might hang onto Moore. He's had some big games but has been enough of a pain in their ass that he's in their doghouse. Not sure how he fits in GB. Maybe if it reduces the asking price, they ship Moore out. He fits a need in GB as a shifty slot, even though the Packers seem to favor slot TEs and jumbo/big WR as slot targets.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:40 am

I have wondered if they may try and do something with Corey Davis, and redo his contract. He would provide a good veteran presence that currently isn't on the roster.

I just know Moore had fallen out of favor there and there were issues. But they have a new OC, so that may change things.

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Packerpasty's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:21 am

OBJ or D Hop?? hahaha..dream on, and I doubt they would want to play with an unproven QB anyway...

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:28 am

Hop wouldn't have a choice in it as he would be traded.

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:00 am

There's no cap room for those guys.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:34 am

I'll go with Tillman and Charlie Jones. Watson and Doubs are now veterans. Get faster, get Better.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:40 am

I like it!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:06 am

Would it have mattered? Certainly it would have been a lot.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

March 14, 2023 at 01:24 pm

Whichever team hes on will still be on the hook for a ton of money if he retires which means no team is trading for him without a commitment to play. Its just not going to happen. The only way to get rid of him without him agreeing to it is if they release him, which would spell absolute doomsday for the Packers' salary cap. What they should do is go to and tell him to accept the jets deal or he rides the bench from here on out.

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CoachJV's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:48 am

Just freaking shoot me already...

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:58 am

Wow...

You need to call someone Buddy.

Hang in there! It's almost over...

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MooPack's picture

March 14, 2023 at 07:55 am

Uh Oh, Jets trying to sign Lazard (Schefter). Still don't think Rodgers is going to Jets?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:01 am

: )

Tomorrow is the start of the league year.

Today is PMS Tuesday.

Hackett, AR12, and Joe Namath Reunion Day, 2023...

(Damn, I'm starting to write like sh!) %%%

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pantz_bURp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:06 am

For a dog, I think you write quite well BDU.

FULL HEART, LEG'S UP, CAN'T LOSE.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:51 am

LMAO...

Cheers Mate!

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:04 am

PFT had stated that Rodgers was talking to potential FAs yesterday. If Rodgers thinks Lazard is a guy to get the Jets to a Suoer Bowl, then I admit I have doubts, but Lazard deserves a good pay day. Let’s hope it’s real.

More seriously, if Rodgers saved Murphy by leaving, it shouldn’t change the scrutiny. He’s not taking Barry, Ball or LaFleur. Luck is not an excuse, just a respite.

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dobber's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:12 am

Lazard would be the 4th best pass-catcher on that team (3rd when they let Elijah Moore go)--but easily their best blocking WR.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:53 am

Breece Hall will certainly love him as much as AR12 does...

Lazard in the Jets WR room to help with Hackett's (ARs) Offense is only smart FB...

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BruceC1960's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:54 am

Two Iowa State guys.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:09 am

*Excellent point BC!

That is just an awesome coincidence, IMO. Rodgers wants his guy. Hackett wants Lazard in his WR Room for sure... Not only as a Veteran presence for Garrett Wilson, but to help him learn the offense and AR12s idiosyncrasies...

Him blocking for Breece Hall will be wicked no doubt, but Lazard isn't a bad WR3 at all...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:09 am

Lazard is a good dude! Give me 22 Lazards and an opponent is going to have a difficult time winning. Wish him the best!

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:14 am

UDFA = Great Dude... : )

Hoping if we draft Elijah Higgins as his replacement...

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Leatherhead's picture

March 14, 2023 at 03:51 pm

Still hoping for Cedric Tillman as his replacement.

Lazard is a rare WR who makes a difference in the run game.

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jurp's picture

March 14, 2023 at 12:58 pm

Apparently Rodgers also wants Lewis and, LOL, Cobb. Maybe we wind up with a player or two if the trade happens.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 14, 2023 at 03:58 pm

The Packers have no further use for these guys.

It's reminding me of several weeks back when Rodgers said that Lewis and Cobb, among others, were guys you win with. It's like "I'm going to take my guys that you win with ". Lazard.....good player. This is all good for the Jets. I hope they don't screw it up and they get Rodgers and Cobb and Lewis and Lazard.

Lewis wants to set the record for seasons in the NFL. Lazard wants and deserves big money. Cobb wants one more season with his buddy. Packers want to go with younger guys at TE and WR anyway.

This is all win-win-win unless somebody gets stupid.

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Turophile's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:09 am

"On the other hand, there’s Jordan Love. Obviously if Gutekunst thought Love was the guy, he would’ve made him the starter a long time ago."

This is nonsense Cory, Even I knew Love wasn't ready to start when he was drafted.........and the guy ahead of him is a back to back MVP.

Also, from the point of view of a fan that follows the Packers daily on message boards (ie me), I can see few people posting that they want Rodgers to come back. There are some, sure, but not that many.

Gute has done a solid job as GM, particularly in getting good veteran guys in to help the roster.......BUT, he made a bad mistake with Rodgers contract, so it's on him now to correct that mistake and move forward.

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:47 am

If Gute wanted to start Love, it wouldn’t have mattered. He’s not got authority over the coaches or player contracts. It’s not in his power to say we trade Rodgers or start Love. It should be the call of the GM, but in our case, post TT, only one person can make those calls: Mark Murphy. It’s not as if Murphy hasn’t made that clear.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:54 am

Hear, hear...

Which is total BS, IMO!

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Ron61's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:13 am

RODGERS IS STILL THE BEST QB IN FOOTBALL! You just gave him a 3 year deal. Rodgers or Love? Are you stupid? We know we have a great QB so don’t mess with it.
Last year GUTE trades away Davante, MVS and St. Brown so Rodgers has all rookies. And then Rodgers breaks his thumb on his throwing hand. Nobody can throw the same if ya cannot grip the football. The Packers were 3-1 and beating the Giants 17-3 at halftime when he broke his thumb.
Gute get on the phone and bring Rodgers back! This is not Favre all over again. There is no Aaron Rodgers waiting in the wings. Wehave been spoiled for 30 years with Favre and Rodgers. Don’t fuk this up.
DONT BET ON AN UNPROVEN ROOKIE. Look at all the teams that are begging for a QB.

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Untylu1968's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:18 am

Keep smoking what you're smoking! The time to move on is a year late. Rodgers needs to be replaced for the w well-being of the Packers' future. Keeping an aging, declining and grossly overpaid drama queen, isn't the answer.

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CoachJV's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:19 am

It's like getting yourself off with a cheese grater... slightly amusing, but mostly painful

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Coldworld's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:48 am

“Venus in Furs” is better if so inclined

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:58 am

Truly.

I’ll spin some of that VU magic right now. First song of the day. Great call. Thank you, buddy!

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:37 am

Well, I'm in the worm hole now. "I'm Waiting for the Man - Version 1 / Live," recorded live November 1969 at Marty Balin's club, "The Matrix," in San Francisco.

Not a fast burner. One of those rare occasions where a 13:07 run time is exceptional.

DAMN, SON!!!! Phenomenal.

Just bought me some Matrix!!! "The Complete Matrix Tapes," for those VU inclined. Four different sets.

I consider myself a pretty big fan, and I'm blown away by what I'm hearing having stumbled upon this today.

The sound quality of these recordings is remarkable. It was a rare occurrence for the VU to be recorded live, professionally. Especially at this level. A two night stint, which contained multiple live versions of some of the Velvet Underground's greatest works, performed live that November 26th & 27tth of 1969.

What a treat for me to find. This runs a lot of sub 4.3..., and then not!!! Good bubble.

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lou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:10 am

You need to be writing for the late show hosts, you missed you calling. Thanks for the belly laugh.

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:37 am

Cory, you couldn’t bring yourself to include the fact that Jordan Love was one of the most accurate passers in all of FBS in 2018, could you?

Did you think of mentioning -why- Love threw 17 INT in 2019?

No.

Just hang him out to dry like Matt LaFleur on a sunny Sunday facing KC, the worst run D in the NFL, calling nothing but pass plays in your rookie’s first start…

You might want to remember Love’s the future.

I’m not saying Rodgers has a tough decision. I’m embarrassed for him making such a clown out of himself. He should have been traded away years ago.

Something tells me that lesson wasn’t lost on Gutekunst.

Gutekunst is fine. He’s doing his best, under unique circumstances. That’s why they pay him the big bucks.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:59 am

Cory employing psyops techniques so we'll defend Jordan Love?

Excellent tactic IMO.

You did a great job defending Love btw!

Go gg Go!

: )

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croatpackfan's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:22 am

greengold, do not worry. Cory did that for click bytes. We really do not know what is the opinion Cory has about this situation.

It is also intriguing question why nobody of the authors did not do little reasearch on Jordan Love and see what others, QB coaches or QB specialists or former QBs have to tell about Jordan Love, their analysis how Jordan Love played at colleague or to see that famous game in KC.

I'm asking again Al, Aaron, Cory and other writers here to do due dilligence and present us their analyses of Jordan Love talent level. I'm really interested in their opinion.

But, no. It is easier to pick one bad stat and go with it. Yes Jordan Love comes from small college (in football meaning), so he must be bust. Sure.

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:46 am

Shock value is cheap.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:44 am

Gary Andersen.

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greengold's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:48 am

Well, that alone cannot be understated. Plus, there's more. Way more.

Style points awarded to jannes!

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 14, 2023 at 08:58 am

At the tender age of 44, through a series of incredible breaks and career ladder leaps, Brian Gutekunst leveraged a sports management degree from UW-La Crosse into the GM job with the Green Bay Packers. Regardless of the decisions he faces, it's good to be him. We should all be so fortunate.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 14, 2023 at 09:00 am

Hoping he survives Mark Murphy's tenure...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 14, 2023 at 10:17 am

Packer fans should rejoice as Gutey will be around for many more years. I for one believe he is doing one hell of a good job, particularly under the circumstances CW points out. I like/want a GM who utilizes both the draft & FA (unlike TT) to improve the team. I like a GM who even when you have all world AR he has the gonads and conviction to shock the NFL world and draft Jordan Love. This is the GM I want for my team!

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 14, 2023 at 11:00 am

To be fair, Ted brought in ALL PROs like Woodson , Ryan Pickett and Julius Peppers, Smart guys like Charlie Peprah. Letroy Guion as a DT. Quality, not quantity.

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