Umff!

I understand that we want to learn from our mistakes. Repeating those mistakes doesn't help us learn more they just mean we didn't learn the first time we made them.

A team wants to get better as the season progresses. Not play well then fall off a cliff. This is even harder to account for when they play at home. They only have so many home games and very few against losing teams. Can't let these opportunities slip away.

The major Concern is the mental errors never stop.

This defense continues; Giving up too much in key situations.

While most here blame the coach.
Predictable or not.
Love's 38% rating under pressure;
still suggests the OL is the obvious problem.

"mistakes are how we learn and grow."

Or, in Green Bay, when it comes to (1) Special Teams, (2) the use of time outs, (3) determining when to go for it on 4th down and when not to, (4) playing DOWN to inferior competition, etc. ongoing MISTAKES are not only TOLERATED they are an unmistakeable staple of the Packers identity in year 7 under MLF and year 8 under Gutey.

The Packers have been sputtering in place (better than average but not elite) for a long time and it would be a MISTAKE to pretend otherwise.

Gute has been allowed to continue with poor early round Draft choices which has resulted in poor Vet depth.He has often swam (swum?) against the tide of majority opinion in terms of Draft player analysis and the team has paid for it.
Both MLF and Gute have a propensity for failed outside-the-box thinking-MLF shows this tendency with his 'cute' I have your number' play-calling and Gute with his 'I see something in this player' that most do not'

Making mistakes is indeed how we learn and grow *if* there's guidance to support and encourage new behavior. Watching a MLF-coached team is like watching a goldfish trying to learn to swim better in the same little bowl. The scenery never changes, but this goldfish still finds a way to bump into the fake castle.

As we used to say at work: "We'll make new mistakes; we can't make old ones." When these same issues keep coming up for the Packers, is it a case of the teachers (coaches) not able to teach, or the students (players) not able/willing to learn.

In a perfect world I would like to see a clean sweep of the Murphy system but Policy may see that as too disruptive. My guess is Murphy, though he has retired from the Packer's Presidency, is likely still a player in Titletown's continued development and will exert soft influence on the Board, etc. And, if MLF ekes out enough wins this year, no matter if they were sloppy, it may be difficult to fire him. Policy may take the easier path and tinker around the edges so as to protect the current organism and himself from too much push-back.
Green Bay is different in the sense that it is a very small town and all of the Principals are inter-twined both professionally and socially. He has to navigate through the personalities and various loyalties on the Board, his own standing and relationships, etc.

Bigger cities allow more ways to separate oneself from the fall-out of bolder and more possibly divisive decisions.

LaFluer is to blame, that game falls on his shoulder. I hate watching bad football and that was bad, the worst I have seen in many years. I also put Krafts injury on LaFluer, it seems when teams play crappy football, injuries mount. I know that not always true, but it is on him. If the Packers get eliminated from the playoffs before the season ends-fire him and all his coaches. Offense, defense, special teams suck. I can take losing but not like that and a home game too. It is time.

There are many other 'agendas' in Green Bay which over-ride focusing on fostering an excellent football team--
Gute and MLF want to remain and likely have important allies-- Policy may not have the spine to disrupt the status quo.

You have to appreciate Cory's optimism. I mean just look at the title of his story..."More Learning To Do". Then also reminding us this was the worse loss of the MLF era. I can think of worse losses, but as far as just cracked out pathetic coaching jobs, this game is right up there!

Keep up that optimism Cory. I have NOTHING left in the optimism department...NOTHING.

I don't trust Matt LaFleur anymore. His teams have played DOWN to the level of their competition every game for the last 7 years. If MLF hasn't learned by now, he NEVER will. I think this Packers team has tons and tons of talent, enough to win a SB. I don't believe talent is the issue. The issue is and ALWAYS has been LaFleur. He doesn't possess the coaching skills to get the Packers there.

More learning...That's funny Cory

For those of us who think that there may be some credence to the “seven year itch” - a popular belief – (sometimes asserted with statistical validity) - that happiness in a long-term relationship declines around seven years. Please note that this is LaFleur's seventh year as HC.

During this time LaFleur has compiled a large body of work. Some impressive, some ordinary and some bad. Certainly there has been enough to compile a “book” on LaFleur – outlining his coaching tendencies, patterns and behaviors. It is a book that also provides us with enough data and information to reasonably predict what LaFleur will continue to do in the future. For instance:

1. the team not starting on time.
2. team lulls – particularly on Offense (that is supposed to be his area of expertise).
3. the lack of complementary O-D football
4. his inability to adjust to in-game problems – including the high failure rate on challenged calls.
5. his poor short yardage and situational play-calling.

Now the Packers can continue on their current path as a perennial playoff team under LaFleur. However this is not be confused with being a Championship contender. It is important to differentiate a team that is good enough to just make the playoffs vs. a team that is of Championship caliber.

This year I thought the Packers would be a Championship caliber team due mainly to the strong off-season by the Front Office. Now - about half way through the season I have my doubts.

It has been very apparent to me that LaFleur has stopped both learning and growing for a long time now. If so, then this does not augur well for the Championship aspirations of the GBP.

Yah, if MLF can have some brilliantly schemed games about 1 out of 5, and 3 out of 5 sputter, pop, sputter and pop games, and 1 out of 5 being totally inept.....then.....its not about learning. Its about capacity...and after 6 years....we know the capacity.

Maybe the Packers will learn that their offensive and defensive lines suck.

Maybe they'll learn that their kicker sucks.

Maybe they'll learn that they don't have any starting CBs.

Maybe they'll learn that their Special Teams suck.

Maybe they'll learn that their players are too dumb to learn from their mistakes.

Maybe they'll learn that their coaches can't coach.

But I doubt it. Sigh....

more wide receiver screens, one of MLFs fav plays through the years...once in awhile they luck out and it gains some yardage, mostly, not..

There are more subterranean issues going on with the Packer's and I don't think it is a priority of the current culture to address and remedy recurring problems--especially if the seats continue to be filled and revenue high.
Fans are expecting Policy to 'see the light', make bold changes, hold MLF/Gute accountable, etc. Isn't he also a protege of Murphy? None of us are familiar with his leadership style and though it was promising he held off rubber-stamping extensions of MLF/Gute's contracts, do we really understand his motivations, his desire to do what it would take to make the Packers an excellent team again? What is his appetite for dealing with offended parties in the community who value their vested interests over the team's excellence?

Maybe with his chance Musgrove will come thru and shine above all expectations especially if he doesn't stumble.

No one is holding MLF (and Gute) accountable that I can see. It's kind of like our Defense letting talented opposing receivers run free without consequence.

I dont mix mistakes for poor play. Ex. It is not a mistake by Nixon to grab jerseys and get called for holding. He knows its holding. He also knows most receivers are bigger, stronger and faster then him. Grabbing a jersey is his only means of survival.
What worries me the most and should worry you is "stupidity".
Loves throw to a guy covered by three guys was not a mistake and dont take it for that. Its way worse, its stupidity at work and to me, stupidity loses you games and costs you play offs in the long run.
My fear, Love is not the brightest bulb on the tree and this team will go nowhere with him in the long run.
I could be wrong I could be right but I didnt throw that bomb to the other team.

Fair, or unfair = Coach LaF has become stale, along with his message.

Growing tired of him saying we need to correct this and we need to correct that. Well then, correct this and that with Thing 1 and Thing 2. Actions, not words.

I am surprised at the lack of even mediocrity with Coach B and the STs. He should be gone, along with his above average salary. No excuses...

Why can't Calgon take both of them away?

PB

Basic football fundamentals. Who is supposed to instill and teach those principles to this "youngest team" in the league. Place blame where it belongs...coaching. And cant anybody motivate these players to actually get up for a game? This team comes out flat more often than not and its been happening for years.