Painfully agree.

So the question of the day is if they make a trade are they trading for offense or defense.

There is no question that we could use more help on the defense, but I think its going to be harder trading for a quality DL then it is for a quality WR. There are simply just more quality WR's out there. And is 1 DL going to fix our entire defense? Williams is great and I would be all for trading for him. But what will the cost be and will he alone be the savior that fixes our entire defense?

I do think it will be easier to trade for a WR. There are a lot more WR's that could come in and make an impact then there are DL. Adams is great. I really like Lazard and he will be back soon. But MVS should be a 3 or 4 at best. EQ is struggling coming back. He has more drops then catches so far. I still like him but he needs time. TIme that we really don't have. After this weeks game we are half way done.

There have been a lot of rumors connecting the Packers to trading for Will Fuller. Fuller would give us a fast option that our offense lacks. He would be a great compliment to Adams. MVS is fast but its becoming clear that he can't be a number 1 or 2 WR. Adding Fuller would allow MVS to be our 4th guy (once Lazard comes back too) where he should be.
For me to it isn't completely about upgrading MVS. Its upgrading over what is behind MVS. Shepherd and Taylor.

If we can make our offense more potent with an addition like Fuller, and we get back Jones and Lazard, and EQ slowly working his way back. I think our offense becomes really scary to teams. Right now the problem is with Jones and Lazard out, we basically just have Adams. The good teams find ways to shut down the oppenents best player. If we can add 1 more weapons, our offense will be really tough to stop!

Sadly "we've gotta get it fixed" sounds exactly like McCarthy in his last few years. If it is exactly like McCarthy then it also means it won't get fixed. It is hard to see how a team that tackles worse than anyone else can fix it.

I would find a way to get BOTH Williams and a borderline #1 WR. If it costs us our #2 and #3 picks, so be it. Anything less and 2020 is toast. Of course, with Williams, if this defense doesn't improve markedly against the run, you have got to replace Pettine too. Too much talent on defense to be playing like swiss cheese.

Trade for Fuller and Williams. Not sure Jets would take a 2 and a 3 but for a young player picked 3rd in draft - I’d take that if I’m the packers.

MLF is right first and foremost its on the coaching staff and players to fix the immediate problem. Sure adding quality DL and WR would help but not guarantee anything, but at what cost, the losing of key pending FA's and the draft picks to replace them, I'm not buying into that. Not sure MLF and Gute are either. Ultimately its on the current players and staff.

If Gute doesn't seek help by the trading deadline, does that indicate that the Packers are willing to just settle for being good and not great or does that indicate that the Rodgers era in Green Bay is over? If you are going to move on from Rodgers, 2021 is the time to make that move. The Packers would free up enough cap space in 2021 through 2023 to sign their younger free agents (not Bahk or LInsley) who would be part of a rebuild and acquire draft choices to build around Boyle and Love.

The next 24 hours should be telling.

Defense wins championships.........They made it to the finals last year with same cast on offense. They Can't stop the run. Pettrine is nothing more than a high school coach!....Fire him NOW!

Draft deadline? Do you mean trade deadline?

Is the Packers defense talented? Except for Clark, the DL is a JAG fest. Yes, on occasion Adams or Keke or someone will make a play, but for every down consistency, there is only Clark. The team went into FA for LBers, and got the Smith's, who both had career years last year. This year? Both mainly MIA. Gary drafted at #12 can't stay healthy. Kirksey was a mistake, but it looks like Barnes and Martin might be OK/good. But they had a chance to add the speed and ferocity of someone like Queen. No comparison. The CB 's are Alexander and an often injured King, and more JAG's. Safety shows the same thing- decent, solid, but not playmakers. Last year's draft was looking toward the future, and again ignoring the present. When you're on the cusp, you look to improve your team immediately, especially when you have a QB who is getting older, and more set in his ways. Time for someone like Bob Harlan to hire the right people in the front office to make better decisions.

It shouldn’t be that hard to find a big body out there in return for a draft pick , it’s also on Pettine , with Clark out Lancaster was good at nose , why can’t he stay there and use Clark and Keke as tackles, Clark is really not heavy enough to be considered a nose tackle I think Lancaster is heavier and shorter , harder to block.

The Steelers got ILB Williamson from the Jets for a 2022 5th rounder. The Titans got Safety King for a 6th rounder, which was a steal. Both of these players would have upgraded our defense at a small price. I know they are not DL nor Wr but our porous defense needs help at every level. We have 2 rookie ILBs who have played well but make mistakes. Our safeties are playing so bad! Both Amos and Savage seem invisible on the field. They don't make tackles, don't break up passes, and have 0 interceptions. Upgrades are needed but don't hold your breath. Gutenkunst isn't willing to trade away 5th and 6th rounders for starters on other teams. There is no win now mentality. It's all about drafting future busts.

You had me at " my neighbor " . Haha

Lets remember the Packers are not getting much production in games from their first 3 draft picks , as most teams usually do , one is not ready , one is hurt and the other gets a handful of snaps, after the draft many here said wow what a great draft for the future remember?

Why must blitzes always be “dialed up”? Can’t they just blitz? Maybe that’s why he blitzes so rarely- he has to go find a big knob and dial it up.

Defense still wins IMO. I have no faith in our D whatsoever. It’s been like this for many years and the responsibility lies with management. If we do happen to make a trade (which I doubt) I hope it’s for D help and not a rental.

A great offense is a blessing, but expecting to hold serve against other very good teams is not a solid plan. Losing some of much esteemed impending free agents is a reality. Bakh, Linsley and King are all playing their last for GB, possibly before 4 EST If a trade is available to shore up the DL, a BIG if, Gute needs to pull the trigger.

Go all in for this season. Tough decisions will have to be made next year regarding our FA’s and a couple of extremely overpaid defensive players under contract , but if they rent Fuller and get a quality DL a Super Bowl may be possible.

Professional sports is always about winning now. If you’re not playing to win today what are you doing out there?
Win this season, worry about next season when this season is over. Lombardi wanted to win every season, no excuse.

As for the current Packers, the offensive side is fine, especially once they have their players back. The Packers can win with their current offense. They biggest need is a DL who can drop the anchor and hold the point of attack.
This would allow our ILBs to make a stop before the RB has 5+ yards. We have Clark but he has not been very effective this season. He needs someone else who does not get blown off the LOS the way Lowry and Lancaster have been this season.

The Packers need a Howard Green type of DL who the Packers brought in specifically to stop the run. If they need to give up draft choices so be it. That’s the price to be paid if they want to win this season since they did not address the DL during the offseason.

Gute is similar to TT in that he is allowing a position to linger without filling it for a few seasons. Our pass defense is our defensive strength but if teams have no need to pass against us what’s the point? The future is now. Go get a DL who can play. Thanks, Since ‘61

The only slightly positive thing to remind everyone of this past weekend:
In addition to the 5-1 packer's losing,
The 5-1 Titans lost
The 5-2 Brown's lost
The 5-2 Ram's lost
The 5-1 Raven's lost

Of course that doesn't look as reassuring if you consider,
The 5-2 Bucs won
The 6-0 Steelers won
The 5-1 Seahawks won
The 4-2 Saints won
The 6-1 Chiefs won
The 5-2 Bills won

So where does that leave us? Probably a top 10 team but not likely able to beat one of the top 5 teams unless something dramatic happens to improve our D.

The Packers need to make a move within the confines of their long-term roster plans...whatever those happen to be. This is the maddening part, because I would argue the actual plan isn't clear. If they've been planning to win within the ARod window (whatever that is) then they need to make moves to make that happen. If BG is playing the long game with this team and roster (and feeling OK giving his team a puncher's chance with ARod) then he won't make any moves. In the end, if you're playing the long game, but give away a buttload of picks to take an all-in shot, you're handcuffing what you've been setting up for your team. If you've been playing for the window...well, this is what it's all about.

Even if BG is playing the long game, moving a couple day 3 picks (given they'll get 3 picks back in comps next spring) is a small price to pay and shouldn't hamper any longer-term goals while still giving this team a better shot to win it all now. Cap management is a potential problem, but it's up to the brain trust to find those guys who aren't going to stall out the cap even further.

Excellent ... I always find it interesting that over the last 5 to 6 years 3 undrafted FA make the 53 not counting the PS. So with most position of offense set ,,basically we are a SB contender almost every year ? Draft Picks are just a gamble with no way of knowing success ... this is why Draft Picks should not be so highly valued !. 2 GM's ago we always brought in Talent in area's of need ( look at the SB teams roster ) Heck, we didn't Draft Favre ... I think we have played enough games to decide area's of need ... yes , you can blame coaching but without the right players you will not succeed ...Look at the offensive genius MM in Dallas, how's it going in New England ?? another genius HC failing! Just very frustrating.. all the FO is doing is dangling a carrot. worried about losing their jobs by being bold .. it's sad :-(

The packers must choose the present?? NO, No they Don't. And No they won't! BG screwed up the packers for years to come. He doesn't value draft picks. He gives them away. Love was the wrong pick. You needed a ILB and everyone knew it. The argument was for Murray. And Queen, should have been the pick! A defensive leader FIRST. The heart and Soul. For the present and the future. Next- BG fell in love with Lowrey. When everyone knew something wasn't right with DL. Pass after Pass on the DL. Whether it was the Draft or FA. And then avoid signing your own. Remember Montgomery? Players want to be paid. Their chances are now. BG screwed up this club and it will only get worst. The first job is to fix the OL again. Protect Rodgers. The stonewall is falling apart. Playing guys out of their NORMAL position, doesn't help Rodgers. Expect Back problems. Regardless; No future will be bright, until the Trench gets Fixed with the proper players starting. We need to stop the run. Like the Wendys commercial says: Wheres the BEEF? Wolf knew it and Fixed it. If you can't draft it. Trade for it. We have the means.

well, it was pretty obvious that they are focusing on the future with the draft. They just want AR to bring in their revenue but won't spend to win now. Same plan as TT who basically 'gutted' the Packers for the future. If Gute doesn't pull the trigger today on SOMEONE who can help, then maybe AR should start throwing bricks and getting Gute and Murphy gone...they aren't going 'all in' to win now..and...THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER HALL-OF-FAME QB WAITING IN THE WINGS !!

anybody know if there's a blog spot that Gute can read ?

It's not the fault of either Pettine or the scheme that players take bad angles and have poor technique on the hit. They are being taught the right way. They are not performing well.

This is all on the players. We clearly can't find a single defensive player who could fix that, so it's obviously time to plan for the future.
The Pack cannot win a Super Bowl this year because the players cannot tackle (Pettine hasn't missed one!).

And a WR will not help one of the best offenses in the league (which would have scored more last Sunday if the defense hadn't been so bad).

Forget about this year. It's over.

The problem is that they already chose the future, and so far, this draft class has contributed next to nothing. I've caught some sizeable chunks of Ravens and Bengals games, and both Queen and Higgins have looked awfully good (they'd look even better in Packers uniforms). The upper rounds of the draft were pretty thin as far as disruptive D-lineman go, but still, Gute should have made a better effort to find the next best thing; I mean, the problem was and still is staring him right in the face.

Will Fuller is little more than a prayer offered in desperation. In his first 4 years the dude played in 14, 10, 7 and 11 games. If you trade for him, you're just praying to get lucky and beat the odds on his next injury.

But there is hope!! I understand the Packers “checked in” with Antonio Brown... BG just wanted to see if
he would be willing to play for free this year and pay for his own travel. Seriously this guy BG is clueless. He is TT 2.0

We are a good not great team. The ownership and management is OK with that. They are way more focused in stability than in anything else. I totally agree with the article but they didnt feel any rush to go for it this year. So they did what Green Bay does, stability, cap integrity, no risk no bullshit policy. They drafted who they should think is our third HOF qb in a row and resigned Clark.
Gutekunst has done many good things, most important he hit with the coach which is the most important thing in his job, he hired Lafleur who i think is a great coach and nailed free agency a year and a half ago signing the smith bros and amos.
But his track in the draft is poor. In 3 years he has had IMO just two really good picks: Alexander and Jenkins. From 2018 aside Jaire, Josh Jackson and Oren Burks are not good values for second day picks and are going to have to find another team soon. MVS its a good value for a fifth and JK Scott is an average punter, a reach.
From 2019, Jenkins is a steal of a 2nd rounder, Sternberger is progressing and he could be something and Keke its a role player. Gary was a luxury pick, who wasnt going to play right away and who might eventually be a good player but i think it was too high of a pick for an investment. Savage its an average safety who has Ha-ha and Demarious written all over, good player but not one you want to pay the big money entering a second contract. Thats all. From last draft Cory you are absolutely right, no rookie is being relevant or producing. The best sensations come from Kamal and from Barnes who nonetheless are greener than our logo right now.
So lotta ball game left and lets enjoy the good moments with our Packers. Never in Rodgers career theyve made any kind of midseason trade to be more of a contender. We all have seen all pro LB elegible in the draft ignored because they dont value the position, theyve never drafted a WR in the first round with AR at QB. Sometimes they hit and sometimes they miss and thats where we stand upper (because weve had the luxury of getting back to back talents like Favre and Rodgers) middle of the pack.

BG is another GM who should not be in charge of anything. Totally lost. As long as Howdy Doody MM is there this team will never win another SB.

well...deadline passed....no help as usual from the front office for this season...TIGHTWADS. Bet they don't even have the b++ls to fire Pettine and get a real DC.
Too bad there's not a trade market for GMs...might get a 7th round pick in exchange for Gute..or should we call him Gutless....

This will be a political analogy, so keep scrolling if triggered.

It seems half our nation has zero forethought about how our actions now will effect coming generations. Concentrating on the “now” puts me in thought of animals rather than human beings. Animals act and react on instinct while humans are supposed to be able to use rational thinking to both survive and thrive, sometimes at the cost of the individual. The Packer fans who want to win “now” will have team that resembles all those who are great for a year or two, maybe reach the Super Bowl and win, and then are terrible and non-competitive for the next decade. The Packers have been consistent winners (much like most American citizens when compared to most people in the world) and have become completely spoiled. The simple answer is to get rid of Pettine. Almost anyone with a modicum of coaching experience will do better with the average level of skill players we currently have on defense. Don’t sacrifice the future for some puzzle pieces that will still not fit (random Hail Mary shots at defensive players before the trade deadline) due to a coach who is so clearly not fit for his own position. It took forever to get rid of McCarthy. Look how he’s working out in Dallas. Our defense would get an immediate boost with someone competent calling the shots. And forget about acquiring a WR at this point. Talk about a pointless effort in grasping at straws to fix a problem that clearly isn’t going to make a difference.