Cory's Corner: Ted Thompson isn't without blame

The Packers have plenty of problems — which is odd for a team that Las Vegas had as a Super Bowl favorite before the season.

After being dismantled 30-16 by the Cowboys on Sunday, Green Bay sits at 3-2 and looks like a long shot to even make the playoffs let alone win the NFC North.

In a quarterback-driven league it all starts and ends with Aaron Rodgers. The Packers quarterback didn’t even look mediocre on Sunday. Many of his throws were airmailed, meaning the prevailing image of that debacle was Packers’ receivers flailing at the ball with one or two hands.

But for how bad Rodgers has been, general manager Ted Thompson cannot escape scrutiny.

To be fair, I’ve always been on the side of Thompson. I’ve given him time to allow his draft and develop philosophy to take root, despite turning his nose at many free agents.

I actually feel bad for head coach Mike McCarthy. How is he supposed to construct a gameplan around a dinged-up Eddie Lacy when there isn’t a running back to back him up? Even though Randall Cobb and Ty Montgomery have taken a token carry here and there, you can’t expect them to put any real fear into NFL defenses.

And what’s worse, Dallas knew it. They knew that Green Bay was going to struggle in short yardage. I give Lacy credit. He gutted out 65 yards on 17 carries with a bad ankle, despite being in obvious pain for the entire game.

It’s not like Thompson didn’t have a chance to add depth to his running backs. C.J. Spiller visited Green Bay, but like most free agents that come to town for a tryout, he just kicked the tires and politely said thanks for stopping by.

James Starks had knee surgery on Sunday morning and is expected to miss a couple weeks. Don’t be surprised if the Packers bring in Isaiah Pead for a workout in the near future — only to let a warm body that would instantly add depth to its running back position walk away. Because we all know that recently promoted practice squad player Don Jackson is a reach at best.

The other problem is at cornerback. This team doesn’t have a true cover cornerback with Sam Shields still nursing a concussion. Shields suffered his fifth concussion of his football career in Week 1 and the Packers should have worked the phones for a cornerback then. I don’t think Shields should play again and who knows if he will?

If that’s the case, it’s going to be a long year. Will Julio Jones have his sights set on the single game receiving yards record of 336? Not to mention two games with Alshon Jeffery and another game against Stefon Diggs.

Damarious Randall is being exposed like Randall Cobb was last year. Cobb tried to be the No. 1 wideout last year, but that’s not who he is. Randall has been forced into the shutdown corner role and has been picked on plenty by opposing quarterbacks. He just doesn’t have the closing speed that Shields has. Even when Shields makes a misread, he can make up for it quickly with his lightning quick speed.

Rodgers may look confused and still senses pressure that isn’t really there but Thompson hasn’t made the necessary moves to keep this team competitive. Players see that and ultimately realize that they aren’t just playing against the opposition, but they are also playing against their own transaction foibles.

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Horse's picture

October 18, 2016 at 06:38 am

Exactly who do you think is available in week 7 to solve all these issues? Anyone who could get plugged in and provide an immediate fix?

Remember the depth at CB? Shot to hell by a cluster of injuries. Not exactly Thompson's fault. He built the depth that's gone now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 06:49 am

Yup, I agree with you. Its not Thompson's fault that his top 3 CB's are injured.

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KenEllis's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:29 am

"Not exactly Thompson's fault"

11+ years as GM, 2 HOF QBs, 1 Super Bowl appearance (a win).

With that track record how can anyone ever fault TT for anything?

In TT we must always trust.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:44 am

Whast would you d differently? Sign 2 "elite" CB for a lot of money and find later both are injured and can not play? Or you think that those 2 CB are not able to be injured? Remember that safety Saints signed whiole Packers nation shouting on TT to sign him? He went on IR before the season starts!
And, please Aaron Rodgers just fall out of the HOF discussion. Dak Prescott is much better than Aaron at this moment of life. If Aaron will not improve dramatically quick, he'll never be in HOF. That is how it is!

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KenEllis's picture

October 18, 2016 at 09:07 am

Do something differently than TT? Are you mad?

You are 1000% correct, signing FAs like the Saints only leads to ruination.

Pretty sure Denver had no free agents on that Super Bowl winning D last season -- not at OLB, not at CB, not at Safety, I know NE never signs a free agents or makes trades for veterans even bargain basement guys, and Seattle certainly would never make a move for say a free agent FA defensive end or 2.

No the only way to properly construct a roster is to avoid free agency at almost all costs and virtually never trade for a player (which is why today's trade is so astounding).

Leading the NFL in home-grown players year, after year, after year, is the key to all of TT's Super Bowl appearances.

In TT we must always, always trust.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:38 pm

Let's not confuse how TT has put this team together over the last several years with the position-focused injury issues the team now faces.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 18, 2016 at 11:32 am

Knile Davis, baby!!
Size and speed at least.
Elusive? Not so much.
Worth a late rounder? Time will tell.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 06:45 am

I have always liked the way that Thompson has done his job... I like his philosophy. Draft and develop. It's worked really well for them..

However Thompson does deserve more of the blame when things aren't working out. Everyone is quick to blame the coach and players, but why not blame the guy who put those players on the roster.

Last week there is no excuse to why they went into a game with 1 RB who was probably 75% at best. IMO there is no reason why they should have had only 2 RBs on the 53 to begin with.

Thompson has done a good job of drafting players. But when is the last time he drafted a big time talented TE or RB? The TE position continues to haunt us, though he did put a bandaid on it with signing Cook. But since Finley's career was over, when did Thompson try to draft his replacement? Never...
Same at RB. Franklin was a player that provided speed and quick cutting ability that they haven't had. Since his career was over, when has Thompson tried to find a dynamic type of player like him? Never...

While I like what Thompson has done, he does deserve blame for not replacing players he has lost.

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Hematite's picture

October 18, 2016 at 06:56 am

Thompson has always been overrated by many of the Packers faithful.
He has consistently, over the years left positions undermanned.
His drafting has been overrated mostly by the stellar play of Aaron Rodgers.
Now that Rodgers is playing like a chump Thompson's chickens are coming home to roost.
Thompson has built depth?
Praytell where?

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NickPerry's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:38 am

Lets not mistake "Depth" with "Bodies" which i believe is exactly what's going on in Green Bay.

A few years ago there was a SI Cover and on that Cover Picture was Finley, Jones, Driver, Nelson, Cobb, Rodgers, and Jennings, it was titled "The Perfect Pack"

Now THAT is depth!!

This team hasn't drafted as well since Schneider, Dorsey, and finally McKenzie left. Obviously those 3 are very good at what they do considering they're all NFL GM's now. It should also be said not one of them follows Thompson's way of doing business, Dorsey probably being the closest.

The best thing Murphy could do for this team is let Thompson retire at the end of this season, give Ted the respect and save face so he's not fired and hire Wolf. If the Packers allow Thompson to stay the entire length of his contract, they'll lose Wolf too.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:16 am

That was a hell of a group of WR's....

I think the Packers have talent now at WR. The problem is they don't have the experience that, that group had and McCarthy is trying to run the same stuff he ran back then. His offense was built around those players talents.

The Packers have talent now but its different talent and not as experienced. IMO, the problem is McCarthy hasn't adjusted his offense to the talent he has now. This group is not able to beat teams 1 on 1 down after down like that team was able to. He needs to adjust. He needs to do more schematically to get guys open.

I think once he realizes this we will see the offense take off...

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 09:10 am

"I think the Packers have talent now at WR....His offense was built around those players talents."

And I think this is the problem now: this offense is built around a set of WR that aren't currently on the team. People will point to 2014 and say that several of the pieces are still here, but the problem is that this is not the same Jordy Nelson (yet?) that was on the field in 2014. Until (or unless) he regains some of his burst, he's just a possession receiver...which means the offense--if it's not going to adjust to current personnel--needs to find another receiver to play the Jordy Nelson role.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 10:18 am

And to me that is what killed the offense last year. Nelson was so Dominant that he forced defenses to cover him and their offense differently.

Last year after Nelson went out defenses figured out how to slow down the offense. They haven't adjusted.

IMO, they simply need to run more routes where it isn't strictly 1 on 1. Stack WR's more, do some jet sweeps or motion to get guys open.

I don't think its a coincidence that our best offensive performance thus far has been when Jordy had his best performance...

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NickPerry's picture

October 18, 2016 at 04:33 pm

THAT would be great but clearly McCarthy won't/can't/isn't or any combination of the 3 use those types of routes. The closet thing to a bunch route well see is the same tired ole WR screen where they quick throw to who ever and the other 2 are out front blocking. McCarthy Doesn't DO bunch routes. He's to caught up in thinking it's a total lack of execution instead of 31 other teams know EXACTLY how to stop it.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 09:38 am

"I think once he realizes this we will see the offense take off..."

In all honesty, I think he needs to handcuff #12 with personnel groups that don't allow him to audible into the same tired stuff. Maybe that's my naivite showing itself, but if #12 is hanging onto the ball and forcing throws, give him personnel groups that will force him out of those tendencies.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 10:20 am

As far as play calling I'm not sure on each play how much its audibled out and whatnot.

Here is another thought. If Rodgers is constantly Audibling the play or not, is he second guessing what the play call is, and its in the back of his head that they aren't running the right play?

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Handsback's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:00 am

To blame TT for the balance of talent left in the CB position is not justified. The RB issue is another story. Starks has been very marginal this year dating back to the pre-season. Lacy has and will always be nicked up. The way he runs is always going to bring that physical injury. So who is going to tote the ball?
Several years ago (OK maybe decades) I saw a 49ers team with a below average RB win their first SB by ball control with the pass. Guess what? Green Bay may have to do that. The 50/50 split between running and passing won't work if you have a RB that's nicked up.

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Horse's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:44 am

Well, TT just traded for Knile Davis.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:32 am

I checked outside and the sky is NOT falling...

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:47 am

Methinks James Starks is headed for IR...

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:49 am

I'm thinking so too...

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NickPerry's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:09 am

... And there's the picture on Ted Thompson, with the stupid look on his face. It's the look I refer to often as other teams add an important piece here or there in Free Agency. It's like Thompson doesn't understand it's concept and it could actually work for a team that seemed so close. No Ted feels he can continue to plug in UDFA EVERYWHERE, just because he was able to strike gold 6 or 7 years ago with Tramon Williams and Sam Shields. I've always said he's one of the best "Cap Managers" in the NFL along with Russ Ball, but he falls short in other areas.

Ted continues to go with Mike McCarthy and Dom Capers leading the way. WHY? This team has struggled for 17 straight games more less. In 2014 in the NFCCG we saw one of the worse jobs of coaching the NFL has ever saw. From the point where Ryan was able to pull off the fake FG to the pass over Tramon's head in OT.

I've said more than once Thompson was LUCKY to have Rodgers fall in his lap. Ted was able to look like a "Genius" for drafting AR when the reality was Rodgers covered up the many holes on this team. Rodgers was SO GOOD he could out score you if needed or be perfect. Either way he was able to win several games because he could do those things. Slowly the Offense has lost the weapons Rodgers had and they just haven't been replaced.

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Booner's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:11 am

McCarthy is a yes man for Thompson. Thompson is a weirdo introvert and is a one trick pony draft and develop . The Packers are stuck in neutral with these two running the show! Same old same old with the Packers this year. Injuries happen to every team it's football. Some franchises just handle them better than others.

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stockholder's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:11 am

Still a lot of football left. TT and MM still deserve the patience and support to fix it.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:27 am

That is the develop part. It requires patience.

And I do like our draft class we currently have. And the 2nd year players are playing well overall as well.

There is a lot of football left.

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carusotrap's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:31 am

Come on, man. We are ALWAYS waiting for the draft to develop. Games are played now. Sometimes you need to do something with the players you have (or don't have) now.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:04 am

' Sometimes you need to do something with the players you have '

That is on McCarthy... He has to put those players in the best positions to win..
Plain and simple, he hasn't adjusted his schemes or what he wants to do to the players he has. He slowly is, but not fast enough.

Not necessarily on Thompson for that.

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stockholder's picture

October 18, 2016 at 02:36 pm

I don't see how you put this on McCarthy other than a loss. Not with Adams dropping everything . Not with Nelson getting hurt. You know we've been calling for the back-ups to play more. But With Sitton leaving ,Kuhn,Jones, and a new punter. I blame TT more. Let alone A-rod's decline. I don't like Rodgers out at WR, but they must be looking at blocking for the RB. Which Lacy has yet to pass the 100 mark. But MM went on the record to say he was not in shape. The only thing I fault him for is staying with Adams. Thats on MM. But how much interference is coming form TT which is now visible. He's the guy who is responsible. You have to look at the players that left!

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Handsback's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:20 am

Will Knile Davis make a difference, and what did the Pack pay to get him?

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:27 am

wait what?

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:34 am

That is a great question. I'm assuming possibly a WR?

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Donster's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:57 am

A 5th round or higher pick or traded Abby? I guess we will soon find out.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:16 am

They traded a conditional late round draft pick.

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Donster's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:36 am

Good news. Like to keep Abby. But play him more.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 09:36 am

Still have to make a roster move. Suspect that STarks will go to IR, but don't be surprised if Jackson is also activated. Someone's gotta go...

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 10:13 am

Starks to IR makes a lot of sense.
Someone else potentially to IR?

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:43 am

KC wasn't using him and he has no value to them based on what's in front of him on the depth chart.

An OK back, can catch the ball, has a little burst, played mostly behind Charles and then was eclipsed by a couple younger guys. I think he has had some ball security issues in his career, though. Can play special teams.

Not a panacaea, but should be able to provide some depth.

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carusotrap's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:29 am

Ding. Ding. Ding.

While no one could have predicted the dumpster fire at CB, I wager that many other personnel guys, when they saw the smoke, would have done everything and anything they could have to at least contain the fire. Ted simply does not have the capacity to accept the possibility that 1) help could come from another team's roster and 2) it might cost something to get that help. True, he's always "kicking the tires" on this or that player, but the car is always too expensive. The reason Ron Wolf is in the HoF is because he was always looking for that next move that would put them over the top. If that cost a 3rd round pick, he'd grit his teeth and pay the price. Ted Thompson always thinks he holds the winning hand, and too often, when football happens, we're converting this player to that position or some other weirdness.

Combine this with a coach who believes that his ten-year old system is still fresh and new and tricky, and you start to see cracks in the facade. Add a slumping QB in an outdated system, and here we are.

MM and TT are too often, these days, trying to put square pegs into round holes simply because they won't embrace the possibility that round pegs and square holes might exist. I'd suspect Mark Murphy is at least wondering in private about what happens next.

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1962Packer's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:29 am

Maybe it is a sign of past success. Always picking in the draft in the high 20s has to catch up with you eventually; just as always picking in single digits or teens (Minnesota, Seattle, SF for a while) has to eventually make even the poorest GM look good. Green Bay has always prided itself on undrafted players making the team without thinking it through. Undrafted players making your team on a regular basis is also a sign that you always pick low in the draft. Great coaching makes them good players; but being undrafted means that they didn't have the raw talent to be drafted. It has to catch up to you eventually. What is the ultimate fix for GB? Having an absolutely horrible two years and picking high in the draft. The question isn't why is GB struggling? The question is how great are TT and MM to be able to cover up years of low draft picks and still win with the raw level of talent they get picking there?

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:42 am

" but being undrafted means that they didn't have the raw talent to be drafted."

I'll disagree here. Some of these UDFAs struggle to be drafted due to level of competition in college or because they lack some trait that teams covet (height, 40 time, etc.) that pushes other players past them in the draft. Many of those drafted players end up having their name called based on those measurables, not necessarily on what's on tape. In the end, many UDFAs do have the talent to play at this level...and some become Chris Harris or Sam Shields or Brent Grimes.

Where I will agree is that I don't think you can bank on making a team on those guys. It's OK to plan on those guys becoming role players. Maybe one becomes a solid starter or even a red or blue chip guy. But you can't bank on that.

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rdent's picture

October 19, 2016 at 08:12 pm

I have to agree that GB having to pick at the low end of the draft for so many years may be finally catching up with them. In 2005 they went 4-12 in Mike Sherman's last year. After TT took over in 2006,they had the fifth overall pick in the draft and took AJ Hawk,a steady player but nowhere near the impact player you would want for the 5th overall pick but in TT first draft armed with high picks they went 8-8.Except for 2008 (6-10) GB has not finished below 10-6. Now a lot of us see TT and GB use a draft and develop philosophy but that is not necessarily true,of the 20 FA TT has signed since 2005 only 5 have made any impact,2006: Charles Woodson,Ryan Pickett.2007: Brandon Chiller.2014: Letroy Guion,Julius Peppers. So realistically it is not like TT has been avoiding Free Agency,it's just that he isn't very good at it,thus he has fallen back on his greatest strength, the draft and again,picking on the low end of the draft for this long may be catching up with him. We as Packer fans may have to endure, gulp, a losing season. Although if it does happen look at the bright side, you can't help but notice how Dallas improved from 4-12 in one draft after last season.

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Funcrusher's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:47 am

Not sure how you can put the offensive struggles on Thompson. He should have another rb on the roster, but the one we have is a very good player. We also have good wide receivers, a great o-line and a hall of fame quarterback. You shouldn't need all-pros at every position to score points against mediocre defenses like Dallas.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:59 am

I agree in general. The OL is playing well. Lacy is playing well. TT brought in Cook to help the offense, but TT doesn't game-plan or scheme from week-to-week. MM hasn't really used him...and then he got hurt. I don't think we'll ever know what Cook could've been in this offense because MM wouldn't feature him. For all MM talked about exploiting the middle of the field, do we really expect this to change when Cook comes back?

I also agree that there should have been another RB on the roster on Sunday, and Jackson was really their only choice given the timing. They weren't going to bring an RB from the outside and have him ready for Sunday on short notice. The fact that they went out and got Davis today tells you what they think of Jackson.

The offense is struggling at two key positions: QB and coaching staff. Was TT going to go out and sink a lot of money or a high draft pick in the last offseason when they have so much invested in #12? Nope. He has to rely on the coaching staff to find ways to make the players they have better...that hasn't happened recently.

The fact that we're starting to see a change in playing time at WR, that Montgomery got extra snaps on Sunday and was very productive, that Adams will likely have to sit a week or two with a concussion, will force this offense and game plan to adjust. It will bring different traits onto the field and force #12 to adjust as well. If we don't see an evolution on offense in the next couple weeks, you can chalk up an 8-8 season and one of the most unpleasant off-seasons we've seen in a long time.

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rdent's picture

October 18, 2016 at 11:13 am

Dobber,you touched on some good points,the offensive line is playing better than anyone could have hoped for and Lacy as well but I wonder if Lacy had problems before the Dallas game it didn't seem like it but prior to Sunday he was averaging only 13 carries a game and gutted out 17 against Dallas. Also we all heard MM harping in the offseason about how important it is to use big guys down the middle of the field but have yet to see it. And yes they should have added another RB but I believe the reason for not doing so was losing Callahan to NO to make room on the roster for Goodson. I don't think that set well with MM and they were afraid of that happening again but of course had to do something with Lacy hurt but I was surprised they went outside their PS. That is the first trade like that I have seen from Ted that I can remember anyway but question is how ready will Davis be? And "forced" is the word to describe why we will see different personnel for the next few games. As mere fans we can only wait to see if the offense pulls out of its funk but I wouldn't hold my breath, there are still 11 games to go and it will be interesting to see how many of them they can pull off

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

October 18, 2016 at 12:47 pm

Mr Rodent, I find your writing "style" hard to follow and comprehend.

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rdent's picture

October 19, 2016 at 07:52 pm

Somehow concerning you and a few others on this site that doesn't surprise me.I would hate to try to explain anything to you in person for it would require using short sentences with Neanderthal like grunts between every three words.

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Funcrusher's picture

October 18, 2016 at 11:35 am

Great comment. We should all take a moment and thank god Adams is out for a while.

McCarthy's main problem, IMO, is that he's so insistent on using a vertical route passing attack, yet he doesn't use the speed necessary to create separation with those routes. Adams is too slow, and drops one out of every three passes. Jordy has lost a couple steps due to the combination of age and knee injury.

Meanwhile, our two fastest receivers, Janis and Davis, have been on the bench all year. Abby might be our best route runner, and he's stuck on the bench. Montgomery has loads of potential and is just now getting some playing time because of injury.

When things aren't working, instead of making changes, McCarthy blames the players for not executing. It's the coaches job to put players in position to execute.

Also, that qb draw near the goal line was just stupid, and the 3rd and 1 run play with Ripkowski looked like a high school play. Two of the worst play calls I've ever seen.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 02:47 pm

"Meanwhile, our two fastest receivers, Janis and Davis, have been on the bench all year."

This is where I'm optimistic in that since Janis got the club off his hand he played 13 offensive snaps against the Giants and 34 (I think) against Dallas. While I'm not someone who thinks Janis is the savior (he's a local kid here and we like to see him do well), what it represents is more raw speed on the field, as you note. Note, though, that he had no targets against the Giants and only 2 (he caught them both) against Dallas. Still...baby steps.

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Razer's picture

October 18, 2016 at 09:29 am

Acme Schellacking hits the nail on the head with their comment. While Ted has left some holes in the talent pool, the issue has been more with the utilization of personnel. Regardless of the defense and injuries, we really should have been able to score more points against Dallas. Coaching appears to be a bigger issue than drafting.

As for Ted and his drafting, he has done fairly well at the bottom of the pick order. You cannot win on every pick and the talent drops off fairly quickly outside the 2nd round. Still, he has done a good job on many fronts. This team has more than enough talent to beat Dallas and enough to get to the Super Bowl. The problem isn't Ted Thompson.

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October 18, 2016 at 04:01 pm

We would have scored more if we didn't turn the ball over four times. I mean...we only punted once.
As for Adams. I was hoping he would turn it around after being hobbled by ankle issues last year, but I am excited for Monty to get his true shot at number three. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a major change in our offensive production with the mere fact that Monty is out there. The good news is...we have a Bears team to get that ship right. If we don't do it this game, the sky really will fall. The Oline is there. I believe Jordy, Cobb, and Monty make a formidable matchup problem. Maybe Rodgers was tanking his accuracy so that MM would give him the trio he wanted all along.

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Hematite's picture

October 18, 2016 at 07:07 pm

With the exception of Rodgers, Thompson hasn't done well with his first pick.
He seems to do much better in the second round.

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rdent's picture

October 19, 2016 at 08:47 pm

I can agree,trying to fill holes in a roster can be difficult, it is hard to do especially when you operate like GB. EG: ILB has been an issue for at least 3yrs and it appears that they finally addressed that but it took at least 2 drafts, now they have issues at WR,RB and TE and because TT tends to shy away from FA's how many drafts will it take to address that? 3 or 4? And by the time they effectively plug one hole they are trying to put out a fire at another position, so imo draft and develop is not a solid solution for building a roster especially when they are picking from the bottom of the draft year after year.

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Razer's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:22 am

Cory - Ted must be listening to you, having just traded for Knile Davis.

Now, can anyone tell me about this guy.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:44 am

Copied from above...

KC wasn't using him and he has no value to them based on what's in front of him on the depth chart. Getting something in return was a plus for them as they were likely to cut him before long.

An OK back, can catch the ball, has a little burst, played mostly behind Charles and then was eclipsed by a couple younger guys. I think he has had some ball security issues in his career, though. Can play special teams.

Not a panacaea, but should be able to provide some depth.

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Spock's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:45 am

Razer, here's a link to a story about the trade:

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/10/18/packers-a...

Apparently Kniles had 4.37 speed coming out in 2013, was drafted in the 3rd round, but has been buried on the depth chart.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 19, 2016 at 05:31 am

A very good return man and has lots of speed. As a running back he only averages 3.5 yards per carry. He may do better with the Packers front line as they may provide better holes for him.

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Big T2's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:31 am

It took quite a few years for the faithful TT Lovers to see his true assanine ways

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:46 am

There's nothing more "assanine" than misspelling asinine.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:58 am

Asinine ways that has his teams to go to 7 or whatever straight playoffs, win a SB. 1 of only 2 teams to do that during that stretch. Packers and Patriots are the only 2 teams to do that.

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Samson's picture

October 18, 2016 at 11:45 am

Do you ever find anything wrong with the way GB does anything? -- I mean, come on, they haven't been to a SB since season 2010. (this is SIX seasons later) -- They can't be doing everything as well as you seem to think. Evidently, you're perfectly content with beating up the NFC North teams. Thankfully, (for the most part), the Bears, Lions and Vikes have sucked for the last 6 seasons. That's the only way GB has made it to the playoffs the last six seasons.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:37 am

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croatpackfan's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:47 am

While I assuming that you know better relations inside team and organization, it looks strange that there is lot of fights among leading personnel, including Aaron Rodgers.
Also, maybe (just maybe) TT wanted to activate Jackson but was asked not to do that because of CB situation? Who knows. We, surely do not!

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al bundy's picture

October 18, 2016 at 09:26 am

Ted T is a cheap tight ass. Notice how most of the draftees are pac 10 shcoold. Must have one scout out there looking at second and third stringers who will go in the third or fourth rounds and passing on to Ted.
This guy is the worst drafter in football.
1. Datone always hurt always missing in action Jones
2. Nick, oh I have to make a statement this year to get sa moooney Perry
3. Ha Ha never been bruised DIx because he never is in on any action
4. Fat Ass Eddy who has zero TD's through 5 games and put all the weight back on, during the season yet?
5. Davante Adams who catches every other ball.
5. R Rogers who has 8 total catches in 5 games and is the worst TE in football.

These are Ted's Picks. Rogers and Mathews does not make up for this mess. If half the guys above were impact players, the pack would be 5-0

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Musegal's picture

October 18, 2016 at 09:53 am

Where were all these ideas before the season started. Everyone seemed to be of the opinion that Nelson was back they are going to have a high powered offense again. The receiving corps was deep and the cornerbacks were deep and suddenly none of these players are good any more. It all seems a bit knee jerk to a bad loss.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

October 18, 2016 at 03:24 pm

They were mouth breathing over our new inside linebacker superheroes, but they got run over by the Dallas bulldozer o-line and Zeke the streak.

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NMPF's picture

October 18, 2016 at 10:10 am

Always being 1 of the 5 or so youngest teams every year is great if your big $$$$ players are living up to expectations. When they do everybody talks about the great depth and promise, when they don't the team tends to look lost and inexperienced. I think this is more on MM, AR, Peppers, Clay and such than on TT.

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Razer's picture

October 18, 2016 at 01:00 pm

...Always being 1 of the 5 or so youngest teams every year is great if your big $$$$ players are living up to expectations...

So true. We pay our key veterans and develop the cheaper draft prospects or role players. If the big guns don't shine we point to the lack of talent as the failure of the system. If Rodgers plays up to potential we control the clock and out score most of our opponents. If Matthews, Peppers, Shields and the group play like they are paid then Dallas doesn't run all over us.

The failure is at the top of this roster and with the coaches.

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Samson's picture

October 18, 2016 at 11:33 am

TT treats the Pack like a fantasy football team. Anyone who thinks he's not the problem is delusional and only fooling themselves. When a GM refuses to use all the tools of the trade (free-agency), he has to be the best at everything else (drafting, resigning vets, trades).

TT isn't the best at anything except looking like he's close to being dead. He's wasted the career of AR.

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Since'61's picture

October 18, 2016 at 11:43 am

TT's approach of Draft and Develop was fine when you take over a team with salary cap issues and that needs to be rebuilt, which the Packers were when he took over in 2005. However once the team begins to win consistently which the Packers have been doing since 2010 you need to add some FAs to support the D & D process, because you will be drafting less quality players due to your draft position, some draft choices just won't work out and others will be hurt. Therefore there needs to be some experienced depth to provide time for the draftees to develop. Experienced players like Woodsen and Peppers can obviously be acquired by FA the problem is TT has not done enough of it. The other issue is that we really do not have any impact players left on our offense. Rodgers has been our difference maker until the Denver game last season, Jordy was an impact receiver but he may never be again and Lacy provided the ground threat until he blew up like a balloon. TT did bring in Cook but he's hurt so no help there. Cobb is solid but not a game breaker. This offense needs a game break receiver, a change of pace back and Aaron Rodgers to return. Instead of keeping 7 WRs TT should have chucked 2 or 3 of them and paid for a free agent WR who could make a difference. Then he should have found a FA change of pace back when he didn't find one in the draft and chucked Starks. The problem is that when you're winning (i.e., making the playoffs), the team is financially sound and the stadium is sold out forever, and you have revenue sharing from the league you don't have the sense of urgency that is needed to make the moves to get over the hump and win the SB. TT is in a comfort zone and he is coasting to retirement, whether it happens this season, next or later. Nothing left to prove and no sense of urgency. Therefore, the beat goes on. Thanks, Since '61

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egbertsouse's picture

October 18, 2016 at 01:20 pm

This can all be laid at the feet of TT and his philosophy; which is, pay your top 6 of 7 stars a crapload of money and fill the remainder of the spots with low round draft choices and bargain bin UDFAs. When it works and your stars really produce, you go far. When your stars don't produce or are injured, you play with JAGs and stiffs because that's what you got left. We are seeing the downside right now.

I'm not saying he's a horrible GM, but this is a natural outcome of his style. It's compounded in GB's case because MM and Capers are incapable of changing their schemes to adapt to the reality of lower level talent. They just keep pounding away with the same old stuff hoping that it will magically work.

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Finwiz's picture

October 18, 2016 at 01:38 pm

Excellent analysis! Agree completely.

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dobber's picture

October 18, 2016 at 01:55 pm

"When your stars don't produce or are injured, you play with JAGs and stiffs because that's what you got left. "

I think this is true of the vast majority of teams in the league.

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al bundy's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:57 pm

My only dis agreement is capers may be a genius when you think of the quality of players on pass d he has to work with? Hell, may be the best d. Coach in football. Dont know? My guess is he sucks but again so does his players. Run d good so far, pass rush is o k but thats rushing five or six, pass d worst in the league.

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al bundy's picture

October 18, 2016 at 08:45 pm

Is it me or does ted thomspon just look like a guy who lost his car in a mall parking lot and cant find it? You talk clueless?

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PETER MAIZ's picture

October 19, 2016 at 05:59 am

When push comes to shove, the offense is still dysfunctional. TT should have given Rodgers some real talent at WR last year instead of the two cornerbacks, one a baseball player, the other a basketball player. While Montgomery is coming along smoothly, Davante is certainly nothing to write home about. Richard Rodgers can catch but is slow as snails. When Finley was around, the offense always averaged more yards per game.
And where is Casey Hayward when you need him? The last I heard, the Chargers are jumping up and down with glee that they got him. The problem with TT's philosophy is that it takes a couple of years to develop.
Also, could it be that Lacy is prone to ankle issues because he is so heavy? Lacy is a great running back and we should all be happy about that.
Currently, McCarthy has to adapt to the players he currently has or we'll see Rodgers scrambling around forever waiting for some one to get open only to see a lot of dropped balls.
What's worse is that the corner back problem is not going away any time soon. Under the circumstances, and I don't wish for this, I don't see a winning season.

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