I would remind you that Rodgers didn't look ready to be a starting QB in his second season, either. And that the first year he started, he inherited a 13-3 team and went 6-10. There were other reasons for that record, but it is what it is.

The "ride them until they drop" strategy doesn't really seem to pay dividends if you don't have Tom Brady. Didn't work for New Orleans, which rode Brees for a decade without getting back to the Super Bowl. Didn't work for the Steelers, who have ridden Big Ben for over a decade without a return to the Super Bowl. Didn't work with Bart Starr. You might want to say "Peyton Manning", and give him credit for what the defense and Brock Osweiler did. That's OK. I think the point is clear. It doesn't seem to work. Is it working for Seattle with Wilson? The Falcons with Matt Ryan?

I'm not really embracing this " Must Have Rodgers" attitude. Change must, and always does, happen. Nothing lasts forever. Adapt to the change or perish. It's the fundamental rule on this planet, and with should work with that.

I'm really bored by unpatience from many fans here. Trade Aaron Rodgers, he is bust, he is playing at expected level narative were through ~90% of Packers fans, Release Davante Adams, he has stoned hands, were narative of ~90% of Packers fans, Who is that Rashan Gary, it is wasted pick.Packers need WR, he is bust you can read everywhere on the blogs, web pages, Packers.com, everywhere.

One thing you believe is that NFL is about fans pleasure? No, it is business and they are listening what most of the potential fans wants, not what you want. Because new fans have more money to waste on new entertainment than older fans, pertialy already satisfy their interest. So, NFL is business. And every succesfull organization in business have to take in account their future. And future can not be built on old forces. You need to reinforcing your team with young blood constantly. And - remember this - ANYBODY IS REPLACABLE! You may have up and down years, but the most important skill is to be patient and to recognize the moment when to react.

Mike Murphy said that AR behaviour last offseason divided "Packers nation". And he was right. Some understood that looking in the future does not have anything against anyone on the team. Especially not against your main comodity. But, that comodity saw possibility to manipulate with fans to achieve his own goals, or at least some of them. The management did wonderful job to prevent forced moves, and they did that through patience. Rare fans understood it. AR was not offended, he find the way to put himself in, by his opinion, better position in negotiation for his own goals.

So, any young player, even Amari Rodgers, or Eric Stokes, or Kylin Hill or Josiah Deguara or TJ Slaton, or Newman or Winfree or whoever else has the rights to make mistakes, but not forever. Some of them will blossom in the first season, some in the second, some in the third and some never. But the goal is to be patient before making final decision!

Regarding Jordan Love - I will give you only one, most important stat from that game - offense run by AR left 13 points on the board in 2 quarters. Offense run by Jordan Love left 17 points on the board in 2 quarters. No matter if there was 2 INT and fumble, they still put more points on the board that Aaron the Diva Rodgers offense. How many those points will be on the board w/o those 3 TO.

In many of your comments I found out that you are complaining how Jordan Love did not have hand for long passes. He has. He proved me on that pass to ESB near the end of the game. But ESB messed up. If he was continuing to run, not slowing down, he would got the f**king ball right in his armpit for TD. ESB was juked by Lions D who also missjudged the projectory of the ball and jump up in trying to bat down the throw. He was not able to do that, because ball was exactly high enough for the defender not to touch and low enough to be catchable for ESB. But, ESB slowed down dramaticaly - few yards he was slowing down his running and than tried to jump high enough in front of the defender. What a waste of perfect throw...

Oppose me with this description, but not because you think what you see, but because you have the proof. I watched that throw 7 times on game pass from different angles showed in transmition and I'm sure what I wrote to you. But you would rather blame Jordan Love for that throw because you are afraid of change, than rewatch game and find out what really happened.

Second, most important part is that we do not know how many MLF calls are overturned by AR on the line of scrimmage, but I heavily doubt that Jordan Love has that rights. So, when you complain about Jordan Love not throwing long passes, you are ACTUALLY complaining about MLF play calling. And, that is that.

Sorry for the novel, but now I fell much lighter than before.

Deep ball to who, Equan and Winfree??

Look at the narrative around Fields, who has a 2-8 record as a starter and has looked BAD. Or Lawrence. It's everyone's fault but theirs according to the Media! "Give them time!" etc...

And yet, Love, with 6 quarters played, is a "bust."

Whatever. Bite me, media and blog world.

"I'm MUCH MORE BUMMED about Amari Rodgers looking completely lost in every facet of his game right now."

I'm right there with you, Nick. On draft day I was happy the Packers got him-- I had visions Randall Cobb II in my head-- but he's not even average. A year under his belt and he's still not looking good out there.

Here are a few tidbits I gleamed from various articles. Am. Rodgers dropped a possible td pas, Taylor Davis dropped a pass in the endzone, Am Rodgers tipped a pass, twice for an interception,2 missed blocks on passes from his OL. And he had some bad plays himself, but his teammates let him down too, so it isn't all his fault as some folks say.

Same here NP,. Amari doesn't look like a football player so far. I don't see much at all ,quickness,elusiveness or spark. Hopefully it's just deer in the headlights rookie jitters, but I'm even reaching there.

As for Love it's way to early to call him anything but a potential NFL QB, nothing more than an apprentice at this point

As for Rodgers he needs to stay and we should just make it happen. As much as we might get in a trade, I don't want to be looking at 3 to 4 or 5 years of an offensive retool while we search for his replacement.

And most of all I do not want to see him playing for a dirtbag team like Denver, and others too vile to mention.

GPG now Lambeau awaits.

Amari .Rodgers should NOT be on the Playoff roster. We've seen enough errors and giveaways in previous playoff debacles and capitulations. The Veterans deserve better.

" I'm MUCH MORE BUMMED about Amari Rodgers" you said it. He should get checked for a brain tumor.

"He’s no Jackson or Murray."

Correct. he isn't. We dont know what he is. He could be better....

Wells and David Yost ran the offense for Utah State when Love excelled. They moved on in 2019 to run the air assault at T Tech. Wells was shit canned at the end of the '21 season. So did Wells make Love or vice versa? David Yost ran the offense and he's now dialing up the passing game at Oregon. Maybe sniff out some of Yost's playbook, but I suspect it is similar to LaFleur's.

Huntley (undrafted), Jones, Fields - They all make mistakes but they are not largely timid on the field. Love seems to be timid most of the time. It is extremely hard to play QB for the Packers after the shadow of Rodgers and Farve. Love puts too much stock into trying to be like them. Be your own person, be comfortable with your own style of play. Love has to master this before he is ready to be a starting QB in this league.

My dad told me it pays to be an optimist. Pessimists are unhappy all the time…optimists are just disappointed once in awhile.

I am optimistic about Love. His two year starting stats at Utah State were remarkably similar to Rodgers 2 year stint at Cal.

Only 6 quarters of NFL regular season football where he actually outplayed Mahomes and scored more points than Rodgers on Sunday playing with backups.

Criticism is fine as long as it is fair. The same fans cutting at Love would have shredded Rodgers for his sophomore season in GB when he was not good at all. And Favre was a mess his first year in Atlanta and almost got benched in GB for Brunell.

Hey Starrbright I see you are still approaching the game with a flag football mentality. Give Love some time this is the NFL. Easy to play six on six flag football and hand off to the fastest guy. Love will be fine he has all the attributes.

Starrbrite, you seem like a good guy and I don't want you to be troubled, so I brought a cup of truth and facts that might make you feel better.

As a college QB. Love was above the 60% mark overall. I have no insight as to the quality of his receivers or anything, but 60+% isn't terrible, even if you're just dinking and dunking. So it's not exactly like he's just spraying it around. You should focus on his junior season, because that's the one that the scouting team obviously liked, and he was 64% with a real good TD/INT ratio

As a pro, we didn't see anything his rookie year. We did see him twice this year. In the first, his coach said "We want to see what he does when things go wrong". They know he can hand off, so they had him throwing a lot, on the road, against one of the better teams in the league. And he executed the offense and protected the ball.

His second appearance this weekend, he took the team down field and put points on the board on three straight possessions, taking the lead late in the 4th quarter. Had the defense held, there'd be an entirely different narrative today.

The #1 thing the LaFleur Offense requires is a QB who can execute it while protecting the ball, and that's what he's doing. He'll get better at it. Accuracy is a very important quality, but it's not the only one. Brett Favre was very accurate and holds the record for most horrible interceptions, and Tebow was very inaccurate but he could lead and win. I think that Love is generally accurate enough to win with.

I liked what I saw of Huntley, too, but we don't have him on our team. We have Love, he was selected to be our QB, he's growing and getting better all the time. Lazard sees that, I see that, and others see that.

Hope this makes you feel better.

"it’s his accuracy which troubles me most"

Man, that ball he threw to Davis was on the money, and Davis should have caught it, even though Davis didnt even run the right route.

It's those throws that show me ha can do it....

one too many "o's"

For a high school or C college team

"Right now LOVE has backup quality stamped all over him at best!"

After 2 seaaons, that's what AR had stamped on him...at best. So Love is in good company....

That's a bit rough considering Love just had a major audition. None of us know anything of the internals at 1265 yet we are all here pretending to be the GM. That's just having fun.

But I do think that we should table the Love discussion until after we win the SB.

Who cares if Love is black, white, Native American, gay, heterosexual, conservative or liberal. We’re discussing his QB skills—does he have them or not? The debate will continue until he proves his doubters wrong; which I hope he does.

The reason why we are having this discussion now is because Love just played a significant amount of snaps for the 2nd time this season.

Lets be honest, it wasn't a good showing. Neither of his performances leaves any of us feeling like we can just trade Rodgers in the off season

Something to keep in mind. Just because he was drafted to be the next QB, doesn't mean he will be the next QB. I'm not rooting against Love. Exact opposite really. I was hoping he would go out and have a Matt Flynn like performance. But going off what I have seen, he isn't ready. Perhaps he has shown a lot more in practice, but the 2 games we have seen, they have not went very well.

If you have really stopped looking, this comment is pointless of course. Let’s just say I’ve had similar thoughts.

I am baffled why Packers fans can’t just enjoy the present. The best roster in years and we are in the preseason. What comes after may not be pretty, but it’s out of our control. Focus on enjoying this run in the post season while you can.

Because I intend to enjoy this roster while it is intact, I’m staying for it, despite the increasingly vapid and emotive level of discussion heavily focused on the off season. After that, maybe not.

Looking past the one thing we all wanted? Way to go folks.

"Look at some of the comments above. Love is slated to be the first franchise QB of color in Packers history. Some of the comments above are straight up dog-whistles."

I've got some real trouble with this.

12 guys replied. If you think any of them are racist, their names and words are right there. Say it.

I don't see it at all, and I'd really love it if we could keep this kind of twitterish posturing off this board.

You right about the name AHOLE for sure. What the heck does color of a guys skin have to with anything at all? Keep your hatred, political beliefs and racism for some where else!

"I know that about 33% of Packer fans (stupidly) want Love to fail. I know that 33% of Packer fans think it was dumb to draft him. I know what 33% of Packer fans want 12 gone. None of us are open to changing."

I do agree that this article, and almost all others like it, is useless. I mean who the hell goes into the playoffs having homefield advantage, the reigning and future MVP, the number one seed and oh yeah, a damn good chance to win another Lombardi and says, "Golly gee... I wonder if Jordan Love is the QB future?" LOL. Extract your heads, people.

But I disagree with the 33% thing, and I think a lot of others will too. I DON'T want Love to fail, I DON'T think it was dumb to draft him, and I DON'T want 12 gone.

Highly doubt you will be out til March,and what's the point anyway.

Johnblood, what’s shocking/negative about a conversation concerning Love’s QB skill set; is he good enough or not? I don’t see this as a personal attack on Love.
We’re all Packer fans here—we debate players abilities adnauseam. That’s what us armchair brainiacs love to do—right?

Wow what a comment, I applaud it!!!

Now change the name. "All of the negativity around Rodgers is just sickening. He is a Packer, people".

Don't believe I have seen this post from you. Is Rodgers a Packer? You and many others don't seem to have a problem with negativity and trashing a Packer that has carried this team on his back for 10+ years. Trashing because his attitude hurts someone's feelings.

I have no problem with the pick for Love, it's how it was done. There was absolutely no reason to use a 1st and 4th on him. He would have been there in the second round. Those two picks should have been used for more important pieces that more than likely would have helped win the Super Bowl last year and more in the future. Pieces that would have contributed by playing instead of sitting on the bench and benefiting the team alongside the back-to-back MVP QB for the next 4 - 5 years.

Well said JB!

RC,
I respectfully disagree with your position!

Should Rodgers be traded Love will have all offseason and summer to be THE MAN! Barely 23 years old Love is going to be a very good QB in this league for a long time. How good? We will find out! However, my 'GUESS' would be before the 2nd half of next year we will start seeing the real Jordan Love flourish and I don't think too many of us will be dissapointed.

You have seen Love play 6 quarters of NFL regular season football over 2 years. He played in games where he outplayed Mahomes and Sunday scored more points with backups than Mr. Rodgers did with starters. Love also did not play defense on Sunday.

Was Rodgers ready to be the starter after going 6-10 following a 13-3 NFCCG season? Was Favre, going 9-7, missing the playoffs with an outstanding defense playing with him?

What I have seen is Love is loaded with talent, work ethic and leadership. I agree we have no clue how Love's career will play out. But he is no Ryan Leaf!

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Something TT did not do. Gutey is worlds better than TT ever was. I was wrong about MM. Look at what he has done in Dallas. MM was stuck making the most out of TT draft failures. TT was a stubborn and ego driven fool and would not admit that he made a draft mistake and correct it through FA.

^incredibly short-sighted and myopic view.^

Wow, we found new Freud, Fromm and Jung in one person. He read us as open book with huge letters... Just Wow!

Not even one?

Per The Draft Network:

"Jordan Love isn’t without his warts but he possesses a high-level physical skill set and peaks on tape that reveal the ceiling of a potential dynamic NFL starting quarterback. His arm talent and mobility is perfect for the trends of today’s NFL and there is no limitations to what he can do on the field. The full playbook is open for Love and then some. Has the arm talent to make any throw. Has some impressive moments of ball placement to all levels. With that said, he does need to make notable strides in several key areas including decision-making, timing and accuracy to achieve his ceiling. An early investment in Love is a bet on yourself to be able to develop his overall game but his upside is worth the calculated risk."

So you liked Tua over Herbert?

Total BS.

I think you are spot on with your comments CW. I would even extend the amount of input Rodgers will have on the decision. (1) Will Rodgers want to play with a depleted roster including without his favorite WR, Davante Adams? (2) Will Rodgers want a maximum contract that will create cap problems beyond 2022? (3) Has the rift between Rodgers and the Front Office been resolved or just smoothed over for the sake of 2021? (4) Does Rodgers have any affinity for a "Bradyesque" move to another team that is an elite QB short of Super Bowl aspirations (particularly if said team has enough cap room to sign Adams and/or Cobb)?

I think all of the above will play into Rodgers' decision and given his 2022 cap number and pending free agency in 2023 he may well have the leverage to force the Packers to trade him if he wants that.

I believe you’re right Leatherhead, but I’m an ARod apologist and want to keep him.

It is the decision tree and we have known it for over a long time after Rodgers signed his Mega Deal in 2018.

That Denver fairytale is long gone...

As another survivor of the 70's and 80's, I fully agree. I remember seeing Howie Long physically pick up Randy Wright, toss him like a scarecrow and power slam him to the ground. Randy Wright was the starting QB for the Packers and the best they had to offer.

I think Love will develop into a competent NFL starter. No, he will never be Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. But a third quarterback in the Hall of Fame trifecta was Bart Starr. Bart had a mediocre arm and couldn't run real fast. But he rarely threw an interception(he had Lombardi to face on the sidelines), called almost all the plays, rarely fumbled and took the team to multiple championships. Love will have a number of good players around him and he could be the next Bart Starr if the media and 'fans' leave him develop.

I'm not sure how he'd be anywhere but #4 in the nfc north? He'd have a better team around him but by himself, he's #4. That's not a knock but a reality. GPG!

Really, I could have sworn that GB played the starters against KC, I must have missed that.

he showed enough in college for the packers to move up in the draft and nab him in the first round. unlike you all, i don't have a professional personnel dept in my loft - I pretty much rely on the Packers to assess the draft for me.

he looked like an nfl quarterback. he's 23 years old, and to me, the sky is the limit. I can't wait til they let him run an option. he looks pretty fleet.

He showed a lot his SOPHOMORE year when he had a great coach and talent around him. Little junior year when he was trying to do it all himself as his great teammates were gone.