Cory's Corner: Temper Expectations For Jordan Love

The No. 26 pick in 2020 has a tiny career sample size. Does anyone really know what he can do?

It’s the topic that just doesn’t want to end. Ever since Jordan Love was drafted in the 2020 NFL Draft, the speculation started like a tidal wave. 

The Packers traded up to get Love with the 26th pick and ever since then you could hear it building. It continued to grow and when he started in Week 9 at Kansas City this year, the wave only gained steam. 

Aaron Rodgers took a seat after the first half on Sunday and Love took over from there as the Lions held on for a 37-30 win in the season finale. 

Yet, that wave of Love debate continues to gain speed and strength. But what exactly do we know about Love? I honestly don’t know. I am impressed with Love’s quickness and if he earns the chance to be a regular starter in this league, his quickness will be a focal point. Lots of bootlegs, play-action boots and rollouts. This is how you can take advantage of his skill set. 

“(Jordan Love) been steadily growing this entire year and obviously his snaps with Aaron (Rodgers) being up and everything but he’s grown tremendously throughout practice week in and week so I’m very proud of him,” said Packers receiver Allen Lazard. 

That’s high praise. The team sees how hard Love has worked this year. They know that he has stepped into a hornet’s nest. Rodgers, who is the King of all Shoulder Chips, likely used that pick to fuel two straight MVP seasons. 

But therein lies the problem. Stop comparing Rodgers to Love. It’s beyond unfair. Love isn’t going to be Rodgers. It was the same thing Rodgers went through when he replaced Brett Favre. Rodgers isn’t Favre, but he has molded the position and the team into his liking and that’s what really matters. 

I’m not saying that Love is going to be as good as Favre or Rodgers. The thing is, I have no idea. What I have seen is a guy that has shown flashes of solid play, but I have also seen a guy that has had clunky footwork, bad decision making coupled with careless mistakes. 

The reason why this has been so hard is because Rodgers is the best quarterback in the league. If the Packers trade Rodgers, which I don’t think they should, the Packers will go from the No. 1 seed in the NFC to the No. 4 team. Green Bay will likely still maintain its stranglehold on the NFC North not because of how good the Packers are, but because of how bad everyone else is. 

Love is completing 53 percent of his passes out of the play-action this season with no picks. I think all of the things that he is struggling with are fixable. Whether that’s mechanics, grasping the offense or just being a leader — which doesn’t come overnight. 

Now does that mean that the Packers should turn their back on an MVP quarterback if he is willing to take a financial haircut? The short answer is no. I don’t care if Rodgers turns 39 next December. If Green Bay can bring him back, you do that. 

But if the Packers and Rodgers cannot find some middle ground, Love isn’t a terrible choice. If Love were to start next season at quarterback, he would be the No. 2 quarterback in the NFC North behind Justin Fields. I really like Fields. His quick feet and athleticism are going to cause problems in this division for years to come. 

Love has looked timid because he hasn’t had a large sample size. Let’s not forget that he didn’t even dress last year and this year he has started one game in COVID relief and has appeared in a total of six games. 

If Love is the starting quarterback next season, let’s not get carried away with unattainable expectations. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Packer_Fan's picture

January 11, 2022 at 06:22 am

Love's performance is about what I expected. He is not ready to be a starting QB. If he starts, the Packers will struggle to be a. 500 team.

The Pack will have to do whatever they can to keep Rodgers and keep as many of their stars that they can. And if they do this they will be in the playoffs. It is that simple. Ride Rodgers as long as you can.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:34 am

I would remind you that Rodgers didn't look ready to be a starting QB in his second season, either. And that the first year he started, he inherited a 13-3 team and went 6-10. There were other reasons for that record, but it is what it is.

The "ride them until they drop" strategy doesn't really seem to pay dividends if you don't have Tom Brady. Didn't work for New Orleans, which rode Brees for a decade without getting back to the Super Bowl. Didn't work for the Steelers, who have ridden Big Ben for over a decade without a return to the Super Bowl. Didn't work with Bart Starr. You might want to say "Peyton Manning", and give him credit for what the defense and Brock Osweiler did. That's OK. I think the point is clear. It doesn't seem to work. Is it working for Seattle with Wilson? The Falcons with Matt Ryan?

I'm not really embracing this " Must Have Rodgers" attitude. Change must, and always does, happen. Nothing lasts forever. Adapt to the change or perish. It's the fundamental rule on this planet, and with should work with that.

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wildbill's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:44 am

Didn’t watch the Packers in the 70s/80s did you. Ride the Rodgers wagon till the wheels fall off. You mention Brees and Wilson but forget both those teams, for the most part, were highly competitive and had legitimate chances to get to a super bowl. It’s all just entertainment and it’s a QB league and not entertaining to watch your team without a good QB

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jurp's picture

January 11, 2022 at 03:24 pm

And you're basing your fears of GB not being competitive on what, exactly? On the performance of a second-year player with one start and one half's worth of work? SMH.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 04:32 pm

Yeah, I did. One 1000 yard rusher. One offensive linemen. Some truly bad defenses. And some pretty good offenses.

So we should have just kept lining up Bart, because he’s an HOFer. Is that your point? That we won’t be entertaining to watch the Packers win without a great QB?

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:38 pm

Hunter took most of the snaps Brockington's rookie year. Bart was moved out. The next year it was ground and pound with Brock @ over 1000 yards and Lane rushing for 820 yards in the 14 game format. No passing game one and done.

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jurp's picture

January 12, 2022 at 08:40 am

I don't remember people getting into Hunter's face about being such a come-down from Starr, probably we lived in reality back in 1971.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:08 pm

Awesome post Leatherhead! Well articulated!

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Nate-1980's picture

January 12, 2022 at 06:59 pm

2 Simple facts LH none of those qbs are as good as Rodgers and he sat for THREE years and has less wear and tear.. I’m tired of people thinking only TB can play into his 40’s, it’s nonsense, until his arm weakens you keep him and his arm is fine .. Oh yeah and now the league protects qbs more than ever, I guess that’s 3 facts..

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croatpackfan's picture

January 11, 2022 at 01:39 pm

I'm really bored by unpatience from many fans here. Trade Aaron Rodgers, he is bust, he is playing at expected level narative were through ~90% of Packers fans, Release Davante Adams, he has stoned hands, were narative of ~90% of Packers fans, Who is that Rashan Gary, it is wasted pick.Packers need WR, he is bust you can read everywhere on the blogs, web pages, Packers.com, everywhere.

One thing you believe is that NFL is about fans pleasure? No, it is business and they are listening what most of the potential fans wants, not what you want. Because new fans have more money to waste on new entertainment than older fans, pertialy already satisfy their interest. So, NFL is business. And every succesfull organization in business have to take in account their future. And future can not be built on old forces. You need to reinforcing your team with young blood constantly. And - remember this - ANYBODY IS REPLACABLE! You may have up and down years, but the most important skill is to be patient and to recognize the moment when to react.

Mike Murphy said that AR behaviour last offseason divided "Packers nation". And he was right. Some understood that looking in the future does not have anything against anyone on the team. Especially not against your main comodity. But, that comodity saw possibility to manipulate with fans to achieve his own goals, or at least some of them. The management did wonderful job to prevent forced moves, and they did that through patience. Rare fans understood it. AR was not offended, he find the way to put himself in, by his opinion, better position in negotiation for his own goals.

So, any young player, even Amari Rodgers, or Eric Stokes, or Kylin Hill or Josiah Deguara or TJ Slaton, or Newman or Winfree or whoever else has the rights to make mistakes, but not forever. Some of them will blossom in the first season, some in the second, some in the third and some never. But the goal is to be patient before making final decision!

Regarding Jordan Love - I will give you only one, most important stat from that game - offense run by AR left 13 points on the board in 2 quarters. Offense run by Jordan Love left 17 points on the board in 2 quarters. No matter if there was 2 INT and fumble, they still put more points on the board that Aaron the Diva Rodgers offense. How many those points will be on the board w/o those 3 TO.

In many of your comments I found out that you are complaining how Jordan Love did not have hand for long passes. He has. He proved me on that pass to ESB near the end of the game. But ESB messed up. If he was continuing to run, not slowing down, he would got the f**king ball right in his armpit for TD. ESB was juked by Lions D who also missjudged the projectory of the ball and jump up in trying to bat down the throw. He was not able to do that, because ball was exactly high enough for the defender not to touch and low enough to be catchable for ESB. But, ESB slowed down dramaticaly - few yards he was slowing down his running and than tried to jump high enough in front of the defender. What a waste of perfect throw...

Oppose me with this description, but not because you think what you see, but because you have the proof. I watched that throw 7 times on game pass from different angles showed in transmition and I'm sure what I wrote to you. But you would rather blame Jordan Love for that throw because you are afraid of change, than rewatch game and find out what really happened.

Second, most important part is that we do not know how many MLF calls are overturned by AR on the line of scrimmage, but I heavily doubt that Jordan Love has that rights. So, when you complain about Jordan Love not throwing long passes, you are ACTUALLY complaining about MLF play calling. And, that is that.

Sorry for the novel, but now I fell much lighter than before.

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edp1959's picture

January 11, 2022 at 06:13 pm

Greg Olsen disagrees with you on that perfect pass to ESB; but guess you and a few others on here know more about football than he does. A pass should take a receiver away from a defender not to them. ESB was having to reach back to try and catch the ball.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:46 pm

Olson is right that that ball is usually thrown outside the hash mark. But Croat is right as well that all ESB needed to do was keep running on his angle and he'd be in the endzone. Only the Packers know what went wrong on that play and why, Olson is speculating. It's possible that ESB was running the route wrong and Love threw it to where he was running. ESB is not a great route runner or a great football mind. We don't know.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:12 pm

Thanks Croat for a well thought out post!

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Pilprin's picture

January 11, 2022 at 06:24 am

I would be ecstatic if the Packers made the playoffs with Love as QB in first year as a starter. I just don’t see it happening. I think there are growing pains that will be experienced for at least a year. Rodgers had growing pains for a year and he sat longer, experienced qb school with MM, and still needed a year before he was a good QB…his growth trajectory was other worldly.

I won’t say that Love will or will not become a good QB…but his accuracy struggles and lack of deep ball ability at this point has me concerned.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 06:12 pm

Deep ball to who, Equan and Winfree??

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NickPerry's picture

January 11, 2022 at 06:34 am

IMO we still don't REALLY have much to go on from Love's two appearances this year. In KC it was obviously a game plan designed FOR Aaron Rodgers. He had a limited amount of time to get ready for KC, a plan for Rodgers, and in one of the most difficult "Away" stadiums to play in against a 3 time SB winning DC and a damn good Chiefs team.

Against Detroit I thought we saw MORE of the MLF "System" or offense with Love and I thought he did okay considering he's playing with 3rd or 4th string RB depending how you you viewed Kayin Hill before his injury...(BTW...I love me some Patrick Taylor), a WR Corps of Winfree, ESB, and Amari Rodgers, and certainly not the best O-Line the Packers could field.

The bottom line is I still don't know. I'm not overly optimistic, but I'm not ready to call him a bust either. To tell you the truth, I'm MUCH MORE BUMMED about Amari Rodgers looking completely lost in every facet of his game right now than Jordan Love. At least we've seen some good from Love, but my "Favorite" pick from the 2021 draft class (Rodgers) is looking completely lost.

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January 11, 2022 at 08:25 am

Look at the narrative around Fields, who has a 2-8 record as a starter and has looked BAD. Or Lawrence. It's everyone's fault but theirs according to the Media! "Give them time!" etc...

And yet, Love, with 6 quarters played, is a "bust."

Whatever. Bite me, media and blog world.

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January 11, 2022 at 08:48 am

Which offensive team and coach would you rather have surrounding their QB? LaFleur and the Packers starters or Nagy and the Bears starters? How about the position Lawrence was put in with the Jaguars? Jaguars were the worst team last year for a reason. And then their coaching issues. Talk about a mess.

I'm not saying Love is a bust. I'm not saying Fields is a bust. Definitely not saying Lawrence is a bust. But in the situations each QB was in, wouldn't you say that Love is in more of a favorable position? And he simple hasn't shown enough to say he is the QB of the future.

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:53 pm

Fair point. But surely the logical inference from that is also the wisdom of drafting and developing talent to give the best chance of a genuine starter as the Packers did with Rodgers and now Love and may do with A.N Other in parallel if Rodgers were to leave,

A luxury perhaps that those teams didn’t have, but I do wonder what the outcome would have been if Foles had been the starter for Chicago and Fields long term. Teams can ruin QBs all to easily. Conversely real talent can not be close to ready: Rodgers wasn’t. That’s perhaps why Chicago will pay a long term price for not firing Pace and Nagy a year ago.

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NickPerry's picture

January 11, 2022 at 02:50 pm

Tell em BM!!!

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jont's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:33 am

"I'm MUCH MORE BUMMED about Amari Rodgers looking completely lost in every facet of his game right now."

I'm right there with you, Nick. On draft day I was happy the Packers got him-- I had visions Randall Cobb II in my head-- but he's not even average. A year under his belt and he's still not looking good out there.

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January 11, 2022 at 01:59 pm

I share the disappointment in Amari Rodgers' rookie season but it seems the Packers shifted away from him when they brought back Cobb. Maybe next year is better for this A.R.

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 02:46 pm

I think they miss handled him. He was more an option type, scheme open and let him run. He ran almost no recognizable route tree.

When we signed him I thought it would be in an Ervin type option role. Give him some Carries as he didn’t run much in college and an otherwise simple to learn role. Instead we seem to have tried to make him into a full route slot receiver.

That’s a lot to learn and a big step up as a catcher. Looks to me like it overloaded and overwhelmed him. He looks like a guy trying to think to hard and hesitant accordingly.

I would like to see him inactive in the post season and given an off season to learn and then see what he looks like. He just isn’t the player one sees on tape. He might still be if he can catch up to the NFL role snd get comfortable. I have heard he looks great in practice with the scout team and then not once he’s with the regulars. Not ideal, but indicative that he needs to settle and have time if he’s to show his ability. Now he’s ours, we would be smart to tailor his development accordingly.

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Michael Nault's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:17 am

Here are a few tidbits I gleamed from various articles. Am. Rodgers dropped a possible td pas, Taylor Davis dropped a pass in the endzone, Am Rodgers tipped a pass, twice for an interception,2 missed blocks on passes from his OL. And he had some bad plays himself, but his teammates let him down too, so it isn't all his fault as some folks say.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:53 pm

I for one am not saying it was all Love’s fault—Davis should have caught a TD—the Rodgers opportunity—not as likely.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 11, 2022 at 05:49 pm

Same here NP,. Amari doesn't look like a football player so far. I don't see much at all ,quickness,elusiveness or spark. Hopefully it's just deer in the headlights rookie jitters, but I'm even reaching there.

As for Love it's way to early to call him anything but a potential NFL QB, nothing more than an apprentice at this point

As for Rodgers he needs to stay and we should just make it happen. As much as we might get in a trade, I don't want to be looking at 3 to 4 or 5 years of an offensive retool while we search for his replacement.

And most of all I do not want to see him playing for a dirtbag team like Denver, and others too vile to mention.

GPG now Lambeau awaits.

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January 11, 2022 at 06:21 pm

Amari .Rodgers should NOT be on the Playoff roster. We've seen enough errors and giveaways in previous playoff debacles and capitulations. The Veterans deserve better.

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stockholder's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:11 pm

I've seen enough of Burks

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:20 pm

Should have been a roster cut year one. An ILB has to be able to at least bring the heat on sp teams and this guy avoids contact.

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January 11, 2022 at 07:29 pm

True - Now your opinion of Savage?

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:50 pm

He is a free safety who plays with shackles. Is it Barry screwing this deal up? He started his decline in the NFC CH GAme when he gave up two big plays. He looked good 2020 mid-season playing loose to the ball. Bring back Ed Donatelle. He obviously is not physical, but he really doesn't have to be. He has to break up plays and pick the rock. He has been hot and cold lately. The break up against the Crows was game changing and then he disappears. He has to be a playmaker in these playoffs. The viking game he was around the ball but dropped two; one he was robbed by the Vegas call from the refs. Standing like stiffs in the pickett line last week does not help the Mojo.

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January 11, 2022 at 08:48 pm

" I'm MUCH MORE BUMMED about Amari Rodgers" you said it. He should get checked for a brain tumor.

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January 11, 2022 at 06:55 am

The only chance this kid will have is if the coaches design an offense around his strengths, like Harbaugh did for Lamar Jackson. Pretending that he is Aaron Rodgers isn’t working. Even if they create an offense for him, I’m not sure he succeeds. He’s no Jackson or Murray.

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dekan51's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:29 pm

"He’s no Jackson or Murray."

Correct. he isn't. We dont know what he is. He could be better....

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:29 pm

Wells and David Yost ran the offense for Utah State when Love excelled. They moved on in 2019 to run the air assault at T Tech. Wells was shit canned at the end of the '21 season. So did Wells make Love or vice versa? David Yost ran the offense and he's now dialing up the passing game at Oregon. Maybe sniff out some of Yost's playbook, but I suspect it is similar to LaFleur's.

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January 11, 2022 at 07:08 am

I’ve said this a couple of times, I have zero confidence in Love; it’s his accuracy which troubles me most; maybe it can be fixed?
For now, he reminds me of Geno Smith, Seneca Wallace, Deshon Kizer; talent and athleticism that doesn’t seem to translate at game time.
I like Huntley of the Ravens, if Love is Huntley, then I think he may have something going.
I guess it’s always easier to be a pessimist, but as my dad used to say, “anyone can be an optimist, but it takes experience to be a pessimist.”

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skyler's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:39 am

Huntley (undrafted), Jones, Fields - They all make mistakes but they are not largely timid on the field. Love seems to be timid most of the time. It is extremely hard to play QB for the Packers after the shadow of Rodgers and Farve. Love puts too much stock into trying to be like them. Be your own person, be comfortable with your own style of play. Love has to master this before he is ready to be a starting QB in this league.

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January 11, 2022 at 08:55 am

I think that’s a good way to put it, “he’s (looks) timid”. Hopefully overcoming his timidness will improve his accuracy.

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:57 am

One of the missions was to curb his gunslinging tendencies. Looks to me as if that’s part of the issue he has yet to work through to find the right balance.

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January 11, 2022 at 11:02 am

Love seems to be timid? Seriously? You picked that up off a TV screen? Did he look timid on those three straight scoring drives?

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January 11, 2022 at 11:24 am

He didn’t look timid to me. He looks so serious most of the time or thinking one play ahead. So far he’s been steady. I have no problem with his mistakes. He’s still very young and has some bulking up to do. Predicting how effective he’ll be as the starter is impossible.

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January 11, 2022 at 11:02 am

Love seems to be timid? Seriously? You picked that up off a TV screen? Did he look timid on those three straight scoring drives?

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January 11, 2022 at 10:38 am

My dad told me it pays to be an optimist. Pessimists are unhappy all the time…optimists are just disappointed once in awhile.

I am optimistic about Love. His two year starting stats at Utah State were remarkably similar to Rodgers 2 year stint at Cal.

Only 6 quarters of NFL regular season football where he actually outplayed Mahomes and scored more points than Rodgers on Sunday playing with backups.

Criticism is fine as long as it is fair. The same fans cutting at Love would have shredded Rodgers for his sophomore season in GB when he was not good at all. And Favre was a mess his first year in Atlanta and almost got benched in GB for Brunell.

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January 11, 2022 at 11:01 am

If you're not an optimist, you shouldn't get into the Dad business. You're betting on a better future. Why would you do that if you don't think the future is going to be better?

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January 11, 2022 at 05:50 pm

I get your point. LH. Unfortunately, the why is because men don't always think with the head on their shoulders.

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January 11, 2022 at 12:20 pm

I don’t necessarily disagree with you Lambeau. Sorta reminds me of Caddy Shack when Bill Murray tells the priest to keep playing cuz the heavy stuff isn’t supposed to come in for quite awhile…. Tsk tsk

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:18 pm

Great commentary Lambeau!

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Redraider's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:50 am

Hey Starrbright I see you are still approaching the game with a flag football mentality. Give Love some time this is the NFL. Easy to play six on six flag football and hand off to the fastest guy. Love will be fine he has all the attributes.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:22 pm

Ok Redraider, but I played 9-man football—much more sophisticated—two fast guys…

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:06 am

Starrbrite, you seem like a good guy and I don't want you to be troubled, so I brought a cup of truth and facts that might make you feel better.

As a college QB. Love was above the 60% mark overall. I have no insight as to the quality of his receivers or anything, but 60+% isn't terrible, even if you're just dinking and dunking. So it's not exactly like he's just spraying it around. You should focus on his junior season, because that's the one that the scouting team obviously liked, and he was 64% with a real good TD/INT ratio

As a pro, we didn't see anything his rookie year. We did see him twice this year. In the first, his coach said "We want to see what he does when things go wrong". They know he can hand off, so they had him throwing a lot, on the road, against one of the better teams in the league. And he executed the offense and protected the ball.

His second appearance this weekend, he took the team down field and put points on the board on three straight possessions, taking the lead late in the 4th quarter. Had the defense held, there'd be an entirely different narrative today.

The #1 thing the LaFleur Offense requires is a QB who can execute it while protecting the ball, and that's what he's doing. He'll get better at it. Accuracy is a very important quality, but it's not the only one. Brett Favre was very accurate and holds the record for most horrible interceptions, and Tebow was very inaccurate but he could lead and win. I think that Love is generally accurate enough to win with.

I liked what I saw of Huntley, too, but we don't have him on our team. We have Love, he was selected to be our QB, he's growing and getting better all the time. Lazard sees that, I see that, and others see that.

Hope this makes you feel better.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:34 pm

Leatherhead, I commend you for your professional observation skill(s) —you’re right, I am a good (great) guy. Seems like you are too—a great guy.
Anyway, you did make me feel much better—Love’s 60% completion rate in college is better than I realized —-I can relax now.

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TarynsEyes's picture

January 11, 2022 at 04:49 pm

Passes under 5 yards past the LOS should not be part of the completion percentage math. Those are passes that bloat the percentages and give a false positive to a QBs accuracy.

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January 12, 2022 at 10:59 am

How many passes did you complete while playing tackle football? To say a 5 yard or less completed pass does not count is ignorance. Ask Deguara and his blocking teammates.

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January 11, 2022 at 12:31 pm

"it’s his accuracy which troubles me most"

Man, that ball he threw to Davis was on the money, and Davis should have caught it, even though Davis didnt even run the right route.

It's those throws that show me ha can do it....

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January 11, 2022 at 12:36 pm

Yes—agree Davis should have caught it. EQ should have caught his too.

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January 11, 2022 at 07:21 am

Hey McFly!!!!! AKA Gute ,Murphy and Ball! BRING BACK RODGER'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will never have a better QB than AR! Do whatever you need to do to keep the best QB that has ever laced them up for the Green Bay Packers!

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dobber's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:27 am

Sigh

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Johnblood27's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:47 am

one too many "o's"

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Packers0808's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:45 am

Right now LOVE has backup quality stamped all over him at best!

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:55 am

For a high school or C college team

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dekan51's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:33 pm

"Right now LOVE has backup quality stamped all over him at best!"

After 2 seaaons, that's what AR had stamped on him...at best. So Love is in good company....

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 02:49 pm

Favre too actually.

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jurp's picture

January 11, 2022 at 03:32 pm

That's right - too many people forget that Favre began his first season in GB as Majkowski's backup.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:18 pm

Ask Glanville about "whiskey".

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jurp's picture

January 12, 2022 at 08:41 am

Two downvotes for a truly factual post? Can people become any more blind to reality?

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 12, 2022 at 11:05 am

I hear you...it is emblematic of our divisive culture today. When you disrupt a person's "narrative", too many get all emotional and stuff.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:23 am

This. All of this. Is a useless convo. I know that about 33% of Packer fans (stupidly) want Love to fail. I know that 33% of Packer fans think it was dumb to draft him. I know what 33% of Packer fans want 12 gone. None of us are open to changing.

We're going to find out in March what happens. Until then, ENOUGH with the HAWT TAEKS on something NO ONE outside of 1265 knows (and isn't sharing). Also (and yes, I'm going to go there). Look at some of the comments above. Love is slated to be the first franchise QB of color in Packers history. Some of the comments above are straight up dog-whistles. Not a good look, folks.

This is a stupid article with even dumber comments. Yes, I understand the blog has to make money, and these articles generate clicks. But I'm now DONE with them until March.

mic drop. Asshole out.

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pacman's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:58 am

That's a bit rough considering Love just had a major audition. None of us know anything of the internals at 1265 yet we are all here pretending to be the GM. That's just having fun.

But I do think that we should table the Love discussion until after we win the SB.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:14 am

Who cares if Love is black, white, Native American, gay, heterosexual, conservative or liberal. We’re discussing his QB skills—does he have them or not? The debate will continue until he proves his doubters wrong; which I hope he does.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:24 am

The reason why we are having this discussion now is because Love just played a significant amount of snaps for the 2nd time this season.

Lets be honest, it wasn't a good showing. Neither of his performances leaves any of us feeling like we can just trade Rodgers in the off season

Something to keep in mind. Just because he was drafted to be the next QB, doesn't mean he will be the next QB. I'm not rooting against Love. Exact opposite really. I was hoping he would go out and have a Matt Flynn like performance. But going off what I have seen, he isn't ready. Perhaps he has shown a lot more in practice, but the 2 games we have seen, they have not went very well.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:37 am

It wasn’t a good showing? Three straight scoring drives including the go ahead TD late in the 4th?

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:51 am

IMO, no it really wasn't a very good showing. 2 interceptions, missing EQ which possibly could have been a TD, and some of his other throws didn't look sharp.

When the game was on the line and he needed a score to win, he failed to accomplish that. At the end of the day that is the lasting impression.

I'm not saying he won't be good in the future based on that performance. I just wouldn't feel to comfortable handing him the keys to the team as soon as next year.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 03:24 pm

So, if our defense had stopped the Lions before the tipped interception, the story would have been 3 straight scoring drives to take the lead. But our defense folds, a pass gets tipped, our defense folds again, and now it’s a poor showing. I mean, still better than anything Rodgers did his second season, but still poor.. RC , you’ve always been a fair observer, but not this time

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:11 pm

We get your drift, but comparative analysis between 2005-06 mop up duty and filling in for an Injured Favre against Belichick and his Super bowl defense is hardly valid. He also broke his foot in one of the debacles. I still maintain if Rodgers started the 2007 NFC CH Game at Lambeau minus 24 F, he would have won the Game. We all watched him take charge at Dallas to almost bring home the Win.

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Nate-1980's picture

January 12, 2022 at 07:26 pm

Excuses LH excuses..

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:07 pm

I didn't watch the game as we are blacked out here in Herring choker country and the purple shipwreck. However; gleaning game time analysis from Nagler between beers and verified by Reliable sources, the Ball was tipped a bit on route to Amari, but had enough Zip on it's rotation to touch his hands for the Non-Catch and deflection to the defender. That seems to be on the Receiver.

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dekan51's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:38 pm

"It wasn’t a good showing? Three straight scoring drives including the go ahead TD late in the 4th?"

100% agree. With a young QB, I want to look at the positives. You listed them. He missed ESB on the deep ball...but had a defender in his face and still got the ball out. Had a great ball to Davis, who didnt cut up field like he should have, but still had the ball hit him in the hands.

Can he improve? Of course. But look at the foundation strong points.....

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:13 am

If you have really stopped looking, this comment is pointless of course. Let’s just say I’ve had similar thoughts.

I am baffled why Packers fans can’t just enjoy the present. The best roster in years and we are in the preseason. What comes after may not be pretty, but it’s out of our control. Focus on enjoying this run in the post season while you can.

Because I intend to enjoy this roster while it is intact, I’m staying for it, despite the increasingly vapid and emotive level of discussion heavily focused on the off season. After that, maybe not.

Looking past the one thing we all wanted? Way to go folks.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:45 am

This^^^

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:49 am

Let me try to unbaffle you. IMHO, most of this is driven by people who adore Aaron Rodgers and therefore attack any perceived threat to his continued presence on the team. It was the same with Favre. You had people screaming curses at Rodgers for being the new QB.

Rodgers has been a very good QB for us for a long time. I hope he wins the MVP and the Super Bowl MVP. I hope Denver gives us a great trade package. I hope that Aaron and Shailene have a great life. I hope Love gives us 10 years of good play. I hope the Packers continue to make the playoffs like we’ve done 16 out of the last 20 years.

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 01:03 pm

I recall that period very clearly and that is part of the reason I am loathe to participate through the next one. So much emotion and bile thrown, so little open mindedness. Just became as tedious as it was dispiriting and pointless. Good commentators left or ceased to engage.

It seems that may already be happening. The thing is, the dance isn’t over and the dance may change things considerably. I’m not giving up on that till it’s done. Don’t get to see teams like this very often. Enjoy them while you can. Worry about afterwards once there is no more to see.

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Nate-1980's picture

January 12, 2022 at 07:33 pm

Don’t speak for me LH I don’t “adore” Rodgers but he’s been the mvp of this league for two straight years and the best player on this team and the main reason we’re the number one seed AGAIN.. You want draft picks, and hopes and dreams over proven success, that’s the reality..

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jont's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:24 am

"Look at some of the comments above. Love is slated to be the first franchise QB of color in Packers history. Some of the comments above are straight up dog-whistles."

I've got some real trouble with this.

12 guys replied. If you think any of them are racist, their names and words are right there. Say it.

I don't see it at all, and I'd really love it if we could keep this kind of twitterish posturing off this board.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:15 am

Sorry. I meant: "Some of the comments about Love (in general) over the past 18 months." Yes, one of the comments above tipped me a bit in that direction. But re-reading it, without assuming intent... maybe not. I'm just sick of the dialogue on this issue. One of my friends sent me the link to the article with his frustrations and I went off a bit when it would have been wiser to just stay away. Apologies.

CW is right. I posted, showing I still do care about this issue. I'm just tired of it.

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jurp's picture

January 11, 2022 at 03:37 pm

The people to whom that quote applies have not commented on this thread. They and newbie trolls were rampant yesterday on a different thread. Remember the thread late last month where one poster kept insisting we fire Drayton because he was "an affirmative action hire" and replace him with Gizzi (who has no ST coaching experience)? Yeah, he's one of them.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:23 pm

Take these retrograde swine to the WALL. No blinfdolds, No cigarettes.

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jont's picture

January 12, 2022 at 09:15 am

"Remember the thread late last month where one poster kept insisting we fire Drayton because he was 'an affirmative action hire' and replace him with Gizzi (who has no ST coaching experience)? Yeah, he's one of them."

A useless comment coming, but:

Yes, I remember and I called him out on it pretty firmly.

But I think you misunderstand him. Though I disagreed with him strongly, it was clear that he never said Drayton was a bad coach because he's black-- he was criticizing hiring managers whom he alleged valued race over competence. That poster was not racist, he was accusing others of discriminating on the basis of skin color (without evidence).

As you might gather from my posts on this, I am fairly sensitive to dog whistles. I am telling you that I read none on this website. Several people have criticized Love's performance; none have ever hinted that his race had anything to do with it.

The only posts I recall that even got close to this were yours a few months ago when you asked if his "ancestry" had anything to do with their criticism. No one took the bait then and you're fishing again now.

They are talking about a Packer QB, and you want to talk about a black QB.

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Nate-1980's picture

January 12, 2022 at 07:46 pm

Spot on jont, I remember his comment.. Funny thing is the people that talk about race or others being racist( without facts), are in fact separatists, which in reality is another form of racism hmmm..

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Packers0808's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:32 pm

You right about the name AHOLE for sure. What the heck does color of a guys skin have to with anything at all? Keep your hatred, political beliefs and racism for some where else!

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marpag1's picture

January 11, 2022 at 02:24 pm

"I know that about 33% of Packer fans (stupidly) want Love to fail. I know that 33% of Packer fans think it was dumb to draft him. I know what 33% of Packer fans want 12 gone. None of us are open to changing."

I do agree that this article, and almost all others like it, is useless. I mean who the hell goes into the playoffs having homefield advantage, the reigning and future MVP, the number one seed and oh yeah, a damn good chance to win another Lombardi and says, "Golly gee... I wonder if Jordan Love is the QB future?" LOL. Extract your heads, people.

But I disagree with the 33% thing, and I think a lot of others will too. I DON'T want Love to fail, I DON'T think it was dumb to draft him, and I DON'T want 12 gone.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 01:44 pm

I don’t know ANY packer fans that want Love to fail; it’s the exact opposite.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 12, 2022 at 11:16 am

There are several opining here wanting Love to fail. Their narrative is Gutey sucks, he can't draft, and Love was a lunging, trade up #1 pick.

Increasingly today, when you challenge a person's narrative they get all close minded, emotional and stuff.

Everything I have learned about Love is he is a talented, hard working, great teammate who earns respect by what he does, not what he says.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:48 pm

Highly doubt you will be out til March,and what's the point anyway.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:53 am

All of the negativity around Love is just sickening.

He is a Packer, people!

Whether or not you like AR, it is in the GBP best interests if Love succeeds.

Every QB needs to play in the league to see how his skill set fits into a successful offensive scheme with the available talent around him. Burrow was good at first, he has been great since Chase came on the scene. Context matters!

I believe in MLF and his ability to mold an offensive scheme around the talent and skills of his players. Look what he has done with AR. From a 2 year performance which screamed "scrap heap" under MM, to one transitional year followed by 2 MVP seasons. MLF took the talent that was there and molded both his scheme and the player (AR) into an MVP and best W-L record EVER!

The GBP will be in good shape no matter who is taking snaps next season and beyond. I hope for the best, but prepare for the alternative.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:58 am

Johnblood, what’s shocking/negative about a conversation concerning Love’s QB skill set; is he good enough or not? I don’t see this as a personal attack on Love.
We’re all Packer fans here—we debate players abilities adnauseam. That’s what us armchair brainiacs love to do—right?

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edp1959's picture

January 11, 2022 at 06:39 pm

Wow what a comment, I applaud it!!!

Now change the name. "All of the negativity around Rodgers is just sickening. He is a Packer, people".

Don't believe I have seen this post from you. Is Rodgers a Packer? You and many others don't seem to have a problem with negativity and trashing a Packer that has carried this team on his back for 10+ years. Trashing because his attitude hurts someone's feelings.

I have no problem with the pick for Love, it's how it was done. There was absolutely no reason to use a 1st and 4th on him. He would have been there in the second round. Those two picks should have been used for more important pieces that more than likely would have helped win the Super Bowl last year and more in the future. Pieces that would have contributed by playing instead of sitting on the bench and benefiting the team alongside the back-to-back MVP QB for the next 4 - 5 years.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:54 pm

edp1959—that is also how I felt about the draft, i.e., we could have gotten Love…and Dillon, a few picks later. But believe me, I’m grateful we have Dillon.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:26 pm

I generally do not bother to read your posts, you have displayed a knack for blathering.

Since it was in response to a post of mine and since you called me out for negativism towards AR, 'allow me to retort" -in my best Samuel Jackson voice-

I was negative about the possibility of AR's attitude/leadership sucking this year based upon his off-season hi-jinks. I have since posted a very heartfelt mea culpa and applauded AR for his all-in dedication this season. I have also stated numerous times, even when criticizing aspects of AR, that I love what he does for my favorite team, the GBP, but I am a root-for-the-laundry kinda guy. I do not idolize players, they come and they go, AR will too - just like every other player.

Back to the OP, my point is that it is year 2 of the Love experiment. Circumstances have made it difficult to gauge his progress - covid, along with injury - have prevented him from getting the snaps he would otherwise receive in the exhibition season. AR missing a lot of practice recently has probably helped in Love's development, hard to say as a distant fan.

I am excited for your prognostication skills, knowing that a 1st and a 4th round draft selection would have brought another Lombardi to GB had Love been ignored. Consider... AR had 2 consecutive seasons that were quite sub-par and seems to be leading to scrap heap territory prompting BG to choose a plan B QB in the draft. Consider... If AR hadn't tanked 2 seasons to jettison MM, perhaps BG would have used his draft a little differently... just sayin... every coin has 2 sides.

So I say temper the negativism and do not jump straight to comparisons of timelines for development with BF or AR. THAT is my point. No disparagement of AR in my post, do not invent it.

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edp1959's picture

January 12, 2022 at 06:17 am

"Don't believe I have seen this post from you. Is Rodgers a Packer? You and many others don't seem to have a problem with negativity and trashing a Packer that has carried this team on his back for 10+ years. Trashing because his attitude hurts someone's feelings."

Read what I said here and show me where I said you directly made any negative comments about Rodgers. Seems like you are the one that just admitted it based on what, the fact that he has the freedom to make his own decisions and you don't like it. I said that you don't have an issue with the negativity towards him.

"I am excited for your prognostication skills, knowing that a 1st and a 4th round draft selection would have brought another Lombardi to GB had Love been ignored."

Where did I say anything about ignoring Love? I believe I said I didn't have a problem with picking him. I just have a different opinion of how if should have happened. But it's different than yours so that's not allowed and you accuse me of blathering. You can accuse all you want, maybe you should practice what you preach on the negativity and attacking someone because they have a different opinion than you.

There is lots of negativity on here and lots of it is because some don't accept different opinions. If I get attacked I push back; that's how it is.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 12, 2022 at 08:19 am

Your reading comprehension is abysmal. Can you not understand the meaning of strings of words as they relate to tangible thoughts?

Sorry for the non-Packer related post, but your response was simply head scratching, like you didn't even read what was written.

Have the last shot, I'm outta this Whisky Tango Foxtrot moment.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 12, 2022 at 02:52 am

"All of the negativity around Rodgers is just sickening. He is a Packer, people"

Does he? At least during the last preseason it wasn't look like that. If he is Packer, why he brought all those troubles to the team (team, not management). Do anyone believe that all that saga did not influence Packers players? Is it how real Packers should act, exposing his wishes to the public by spitting on the team who should be member of? Or he just take care of himself and what he sees is the best for him?

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edp1959's picture

January 12, 2022 at 06:45 am

I really really haven't seen any turmoil because of Rodgers, 13-4 and #1 seed. If that is turmoil then it needed to happen. It looks like to me the team is closer together and what I have seen at the games the fans in the stands don't have a problem with anything. Any issues are coming from the negative media and haters that what to stir things up and not enjoy what is happening this year.

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Gee's picture

January 13, 2022 at 05:59 am

Hmm question, if the off season was all quiet, would your opinion on Rodgers be the same? Come on you know the entire off season was about the FO and some their decisions not the team. Your question on how a Packer should act? To be fair Rodgers has up until now, has acted as professional for this team and repped the team with class. I'm not willing to bury Rodgers for speaking his mind and wanting some influence on the direction of the team. Elite players ask for similar influence across all major sports now a days. Still considering how sideways this could have gone, especially after the Saints game, both sides deserve credit for keeping on the rails.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:25 pm

Well said JB!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:02 am

I have no idea how good or not good Love will be. The only thing I have to go off of is what I have seen. What I have seen is a QB that isn't ready to be the guy. Its that simple. When will he be ready, I have no idea. Also if and when he is ready, i have no clue how high his ceiling will be or how low his floor will be.

Obviously the drop off from Rodgers to many good starters is significant. So its really not fair to compare Love to Rodgers. Rodgers first couple of years was not good as well. Love has had to deal with challenges as well, with covid and whatnot. That being said, When Rodgers was young we heard from reporters and teammates, and they would say that he would do at least one thing special in almost every practice. We haven't heard that from Love. We heard that about Mahommes, and some other QB's that sat a bit.

I have no clue what Love's future will look like. No one does at this point. I just don't think he is ready to be the starter next year based on what I have seen.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:31 pm

RC,
I respectfully disagree with your position!

Should Rodgers be traded Love will have all offseason and summer to be THE MAN! Barely 23 years old Love is going to be a very good QB in this league for a long time. How good? We will find out! However, my 'GUESS' would be before the 2nd half of next year we will start seeing the real Jordan Love flourish and I don't think too many of us will be dissapointed.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 12, 2022 at 11:29 am

You have seen Love play 6 quarters of NFL regular season football over 2 years. He played in games where he outplayed Mahomes and Sunday scored more points with backups than Mr. Rodgers did with starters. Love also did not play defense on Sunday.

Was Rodgers ready to be the starter after going 6-10 following a 13-3 NFCCG season? Was Favre, going 9-7, missing the playoffs with an outstanding defense playing with him?

What I have seen is Love is loaded with talent, work ethic and leadership. I agree we have no clue how Love's career will play out. But he is no Ryan Leaf!

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Guam's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:11 am

Unfortunately Jordan Love and Aaron Rodgers have become inextricably entangled and yet Jordan Love will have very little impact on whether Rodgers stays or goes. The Aaron Rodgers decision will turn on (1) what Aaron Rodgers wants and (2) what the Green Bay Packer's cap situation will allow them to do. Love is a bystander in that decision. If Rodgers goes, then Love will take center stage and all this discussion will become relevant. Until Rodgers goes, Love is the backup QB. Can't we just leave it at that until we know what happens with Rodgers?

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croatpackfan's picture

January 12, 2022 at 02:56 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^

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stockholder's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:14 am

The only reason you want Love, is to back Gutey now. I never liked The Drafting of Gutey. I feel Love was the biggest mistake he's made as a GM. Gutey's problem solving abilities, have worked for two reasons. 1. He knows how to bring in a veteran FA. ( That can replace his mistake. ) 2. He's still got Rodgers. I've seen better Draft picks, that have become the Talk of the NFL. Defensive Linemen, that have given their teams hope, for years to come. He's only looking for a guy to shore up a position. The point is: without Rodgers it's Doom and Gloom. But as long as we still keep talking about Love. It's a downer for the rest of the teams accomplishments. This team is ready for the playoffs. A tinker here or there can work. Why, because players are getting back on the field. If they want to be the best in the NFL. It's still very possible.

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skyler's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:49 am

Something TT did not do. Gutey is worlds better than TT ever was. I was wrong about MM. Look at what he has done in Dallas. MM was stuck making the most out of TT draft failures. TT was a stubborn and ego driven fool and would not admit that he made a draft mistake and correct it through FA.

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JerseyAl's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:28 am

^incredibly short-sighted and myopic view.^

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:57 am

Gutey could cure cancer and Stockholder would complain he put oncologists out of work.

Saying Gutey is poor at drafting is akin to saying Lombardi had no motivational skills.

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stockholder's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:58 am

Your opinions will change if Rodgers leaves. It will take only 1 losing season. For you to get off the Gutey bandwagon. Your desire for change at any cost, will only hurt the windows of the current players. Sticking to Draft "rebuilding". Doesn't work in professional sports now. Money must be spent. Why do you want to learn the hard way? I believe wolf was the greatest GM since Lombardi. It's about winning first. Not stockpiling for the future. Change can be made to shake up a winning roster.(Per a Coach) But the changes that you and others want to make. Should only fit the the window longevity of your best players!

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Ya_tittle's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:52 pm

You are just factually wrong.

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 01:15 pm

Rodgers is going to leave at some point. There will be down years. The crucial question is how to minimize them. That’s what the team has to ask, and it’s not a question just about Rodgers, but about the overall roster. No QB can win it alone. We have plenty of proof of that. Selectively Ignoring reality is a self deluding fantasy doomed to disappoint.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 12, 2022 at 02:57 am

Wow, we found new Freud, Fromm and Jung in one person. He read us as open book with huge letters... Just Wow!

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Lphill's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:43 am

I won’t knock Love but there’s not one scouting report on him that indicates he has what it takes to lead a team . Packers should trade him and bring in a veteran backup ,Rodgers not going anywhere.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:25 am

Not even one?

Per The Draft Network:

"Jordan Love isn’t without his warts but he possesses a high-level physical skill set and peaks on tape that reveal the ceiling of a potential dynamic NFL starting quarterback. His arm talent and mobility is perfect for the trends of today’s NFL and there is no limitations to what he can do on the field. The full playbook is open for Love and then some. Has the arm talent to make any throw. Has some impressive moments of ball placement to all levels. With that said, he does need to make notable strides in several key areas including decision-making, timing and accuracy to achieve his ceiling. An early investment in Love is a bet on yourself to be able to develop his overall game but his upside is worth the calculated risk."

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PatrickGB's picture

January 11, 2022 at 12:41 pm

“ With that said, he does need to make notable strides in several key areas including decision-making, timing and accuracy to achieve his ceiling.” Exactly. I do think that he is a decent QB. But the above faults will continue to hamper him unless he can improve on them. Right now I would prefer to keep Rodgers and let Love develop.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 11, 2022 at 01:39 pm

I have no idea how things are going to play out with Love. Hopefully he'll continue to develop.

To be honest, my post was primarily disputing Lphill's ridiculous (surprise, surprise!) statement that there were zero positive scouting reports on Love. It took me all of 5 minutes to find 3 of them. I just don't understand why people have to make stuff up to prove a point.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:42 pm

So you liked Tua over Herbert?

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 12, 2022 at 11:34 am

Total BS.

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:06 am

Love is not the reason why there is a question over Rodgers. The reason is the cap primarily with an element of what Rodgers might want to do personally as an additional factor. The cap results from a team that made a concerted effort to give Rodgers a roster starting from the low point on TTs departure.

This is not Rodgers Favre. Love is not pushing Rodgers like Rodgers was Favre. By that point Rodgers had had 3 pre seasons and old style QB camps. Love has had one pre season and didn’t even run the scout team last season. That in itself backs up the stated view that the team saw talent needing development.

We are seeing some growth (for those with eyes open) but not enough volume or progress to claim he’s the finished article for good or bad. We have never seen him play in a game with receivers he’s practiced with either. Maybe next year we do.

If Rodgers stays the supporting cast will be very much weaker. We’ve seen that Rodgers isn’t so magical he can lead a weak roster to the Super Bowl too often even when younger. There are lots of promising players for years 3-5, but keep Rodgers and that’s the timescale for real contention with good acquisitions, which will need to be made in limited cap.

Rodgers will be 41-43 in that window. Will he want to play for that? Will his body let him? If Rodgers goes and others the team will actually be on a similar window with likely more picks and more cap. The question will be a big one though, can we find a starter at QB to capitalize on that? That’s a big big question, but it’s an inevitable one anyway. Rodgers is not forever.

The team will have to decide when the best time is to jump. When they do it won’t be based on Love but Rodgers plus less and no cap versus a core, picks and a chance at developing the young players (and retaining) while they find and develop the next QB.

Love will get a shot in that situation, though I think they’d acquire real competition, but it would be accepted that their would be developmental struggles. But then there will be if Rodgers stays due to the need to rebuild the supporting cast. That’s the dilemma for the team.

Rodgers himself may not want to deal with a depleted roster at this point as well of course. That would make the decision unless he’s willing (and others are) to play for much much less than he’s due. That is hugely unlikely and, from a player perspective, with good reason. Players like Adams, Z, etc. have sort careers and shorter big earning windows.

The only thing certain is that this roster is better by far than next years is likely to be, regardless of who starts at QB. Enjoy that now or don’t. But emotion won’t change it. This is it: win or lose, it’s a rebuilding year or two at minimum coming.

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Guam's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:51 am

I think you are spot on with your comments CW. I would even extend the amount of input Rodgers will have on the decision. (1) Will Rodgers want to play with a depleted roster including without his favorite WR, Davante Adams? (2) Will Rodgers want a maximum contract that will create cap problems beyond 2022? (3) Has the rift between Rodgers and the Front Office been resolved or just smoothed over for the sake of 2021? (4) Does Rodgers have any affinity for a "Bradyesque" move to another team that is an elite QB short of Super Bowl aspirations (particularly if said team has enough cap room to sign Adams and/or Cobb)?

I think all of the above will play into Rodgers' decision and given his 2022 cap number and pending free agency in 2023 he may well have the leverage to force the Packers to trade him if he wants that.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 12, 2022 at 03:14 am

Interesting news came from Broncos! They asked Nathaniel Hackett and Luke Getsy to come for interview for HC vacancy! It might be some connections with Aaron Rodgers, what do you think?

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Guam's picture

January 12, 2022 at 08:02 am

I get interviewing Hackett and wouldn't ascribe any ulterior motives to interviewing a very successful OC. Interviewing Getsy? That is an odd one as Getsy has minimal credentials to be a HC at this point. Not to say he won't be one eventually, but he could use a few years as an OC before he is ready to a HC. So yes, it does look a bit suspicious to me and I do expect Denver to make a run at Rodgers this offseason. The bigger question is will Rodgers or the Packers listen?

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January 12, 2022 at 10:39 am

Do not left out the possibility that mentioned interview was suggested by Aaron Rodgers as there was, from several different sources, info how Aaron Rodgers highly appreciate Luke Getsy, his knowledge and capabilities. And it is not to forget that Luke Getsy and Aaron Rodgers are, by reports good friends.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:28 am

It’s not Love or Rodgers.

It’s Love, plus $20 million, plus draft picks/players that will strengthen the team, or Rodgers with a weaker team around him. That’s the choice.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:32 am

I believe you’re right Leatherhead, but I’m an ARod apologist and want to keep him.

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:03 am

It’s not either or. The idea that you can’t keep Love and Rodgers has always been ridiculous. The problem is Rodgers centric. Can we keep him and a contending supporting roster? Love is irrelevant as far as the answer to that question is concerned.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:33 am

I get that. If things worked out the way I wanted, Bart Starr would still be quarterbacking and Willie Mays would be in centerfield.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:59 pm

and the braves would still be playing in county stadium. man, they took henry aaron away from me.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 11, 2022 at 11:03 am

It is the decision tree and we have known it for over a long time after Rodgers signed his Mega Deal in 2018.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:52 pm

That Denver fairytale is long gone...

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croatpackfan's picture

January 12, 2022 at 03:17 am

Not so much I believe. Today it looks me the story is rise from the ashes. HC candidates for Broncos: Nathaniel Hackett, Luke Getsy

Is that interesting?

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marpag1's picture

January 11, 2022 at 09:29 am

Is someone keeping track of how many straw men Cory has propped up and knocked down? It's got to be in triple figures by now...

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 10:31 am

A lot of people who think Love is terrible didn’t live through the 70s and 80s Packers. Gute had done a great job building this roster and Love is a huge step up from the backups we’ve had in the past under Rodgers. Love has way more upside than Boyle, Kizer, Hundley, etc. Not sure why it’s bad to bring in more talent and why all the hate for a young Packers QB. You CAN support both Rodgers and Love. It’s as if some fans are so emotionally attached to Rodgers they feel threatened. You’d think they would be happy as it seems to have lit a fire in Rodgers. Maybe they need a girlfriend…or a dog.

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January 11, 2022 at 10:53 am

As another survivor of the 70's and 80's, I fully agree. I remember seeing Howie Long physically pick up Randy Wright, toss him like a scarecrow and power slam him to the ground. Randy Wright was the starting QB for the Packers and the best they had to offer.

I think Love will develop into a competent NFL starter. No, he will never be Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. But a third quarterback in the Hall of Fame trifecta was Bart Starr. Bart had a mediocre arm and couldn't run real fast. But he rarely threw an interception(he had Lombardi to face on the sidelines), called almost all the plays, rarely fumbled and took the team to multiple championships. Love will have a number of good players around him and he could be the next Bart Starr if the media and 'fans' leave him develop.

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January 11, 2022 at 01:11 pm

Harry—this is not a smart alec question: what is your timeline for Love to develop?

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Coldworld's picture

January 11, 2022 at 01:24 pm

If I may also give my opinion, I thought (once I got over the surprise of him being picked) that it’s going to be very similar to Rodgers ideally. He’s got a similar list of things to address. Probably 3 full off and preseasons to fully hit his potential. Rodgers took 4 to really do that, but Love may have to be thrown In Earlier. So far, he’s really had one off and preseason and only one running the PS.

I don’t think and never have thought that next year was either ideal for him to start or that the team hoped for that. I think they were looking another year out and assuming that his first season starting would be a growth year as Rodgers was.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 11, 2022 at 02:34 pm

Well, so far he's developing faster than Rodgers did, and Rodgers was ready to play in his third season.

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Duneslick's picture

January 11, 2022 at 03:27 pm

Talk about cherry picking the facts. 53 per cent and no picks of of play action. that not even close to average. What about 2nd and 3rd and long. dont here that one.

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White92's picture

January 11, 2022 at 05:21 pm

I'd put him behind Goff as well but pretty much agree with everything else

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January 11, 2022 at 10:58 pm

I'm not sure how he'd be anywhere but #4 in the nfc north? He'd have a better team around him but by himself, he's #4. That's not a knock but a reality. GPG!

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BAMABADGER's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:15 pm

AR always operates with the V8 Corvette starters. Rather than letting Love run with the same engine, the Pacs only let him drive with the VW bug or the station wagon. We'll never know what in his tank until he drives with the starters.

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edp1959's picture

January 11, 2022 at 08:07 pm

Really, I could have sworn that GB played the starters against KC, I must have missed that.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 12, 2022 at 03:24 am

Did you watch that game? Everybody except Love was sleeping. Love might be sleeping as well, but he was hit so many times that he had to be awake to survive...

Honestly, there was starter names on the fields, but not starters!

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Coldworld's picture

January 12, 2022 at 01:33 pm

Did you watch? Do you recall Adams being sub par (his own admission) Lazard and MVS too, just back from injury? No practice time with them due to Covid and late decision on Love who was asked to play a game plan designed for Rodgers?

If I thought you actually showed signs of following the team and games, I’d give your points more credence, but then you come out with statements like this.

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MEO73's picture

January 11, 2022 at 07:24 pm

Love plays the same way he did in college. The questions surrounding him coming out of college, namely accuracy and decision making, remain the same after two seasons in the NFL. He has prototypical NFL size and speed, that's why scouts likes him. But whether he's the next Favre or Rodgers is anyone's guess. But he didnt show much in college.

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January 11, 2022 at 08:05 pm

he showed enough in college for the packers to move up in the draft and nab him in the first round. unlike you all, i don't have a professional personnel dept in my loft - I pretty much rely on the Packers to assess the draft for me.

he looked like an nfl quarterback. he's 23 years old, and to me, the sky is the limit. I can't wait til they let him run an option. he looks pretty fleet.

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January 12, 2022 at 01:38 pm

He showed a lot his SOPHOMORE year when he had a great coach and talent around him. Little junior year when he was trying to do it all himself as his great teammates were gone.

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January 12, 2022 at 03:53 pm

Boyle was far better than Love will ever be. The Packers need to find a better backup qb.

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Starrbrite's picture

January 12, 2022 at 08:41 pm

Johnblood27–were you addressing me (blathering)?
If so, I was not being snarky—happened to disagree with you (a little).
I read all your posts—you make some great comments.
Only Best regards for y’all.

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Packerlifer's picture

January 15, 2022 at 06:01 am

Here's a pretty good film breakdown of Love's showing in Detroit last Sunday.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2022/1/14/22884540/green-bay-packers-...

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