Cory's Corner: Time To Move On From Aaron Rodgers

Rodgers owns a 5-4 postseason record at Lambeau Field. 

What I’m about to say isn’t going to make sense. 

The Packers should move on from Aaron Rodgers. 

The reason why that is hard to understand is because you normally don’t turn the page from a three-time NFL MVP and soon-to-be four-time MVP. Rodgers is the best passer of the football I have ever seen. He has made throws that nobody will ever make again and has pulled countless rabbits out of his hat.

But the Packers moved financial mountains in order to get Rodgers to come back this year. Those mountains are so imposing that the Packers will be nearly $45 million in the red against the cap entering next year. 

“I don’t want to be part of a rebuild if I’m going to keep playing,” Rodgers said after losing to the 49ers 13-10 in the NFC Divisional Playoff on Saturday night. “So a lot of decisions in the next couple of months.”

As I walked away from Lambeau Field, I heard someone yell out the window of an SUV, “Jor-dan Love! Jor-dan Love!” I am not saying that Love is the answer either, but I think we have to at least figure that out. 

Let’s not forget that Rodgers’ first season as a starter in 2008 was a learning curve as well. The Packers went 6-10 as Rodgers threw 28 touchdowns and 13 picks. Greg Jennings and Donald Driver each notched 1,000-yard seasons. 

Rodgers is now 11-10 in the postseason with three devastating losses in the last three years. Rodgers wanted a strong defense to accompany him and that unit played outstanding by holding the 49ers to minus-10 total yards in the second quarter en route to giving up six points. In today’s day and age which stresses high-quality offensive play, scoring 10 points just isn’t enough. 

A lot of throws were low and even when Rodgers saw an open Aaron Jones streaking down the right sideline for a 75-yard completion, Rodgers didn’t feed him a good ball. Jones had to adjust and nearly fell over before getting tackled on the San Francisco 14. 

Rodgers can still stay, but only by taking a massive pay cut. He has a cap hit of $46.4 million in 2022. But why would he want to take a hometown discount now? If he truly wants to build a winner in Green Bay, the hometown discount should’ve happened in 2019 when his cap hit was $29.6 million, when he was over 15 percent of the Packers’ salary cap. 

Without Rodgers, things are going to be lean. Even if the Packers slap the franchise tag on Davante Adams, which doesn’t make players warm and fuzzy, the Packers will not be able to sign De’Vondre Campbell, Rasul Douglas and Za’Darius Smith. Those are notable defensive players and let’s not forget that Jaire Alexander is a free agent in 2023. 

So the Packers should move forward and turn the page. Rodgers is an incredible talent, but that means that coach Matt LaFleur can run everything he wants to run, without worrying how a certain No. 12 will feel about it. The team will be built around the running game with play-action and misdirection — basically it will look a lot like San Francisco with Jimmy Garoppolo.

Garoppolo is not even close to an elite level quarterback but 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan used him to get to the NFC title game. And now the trade value for Garoppolo continues to rise with each playoff win. 

This team, and that includes LaFleur, needs to look in the mirror. They need to figure out who they are and who they want to be. If that’s a run-heavy team that includes a team that survives with an average quarterback or a team that desperately needs a very good quarterback to push the ball down the field. 

Rodgers, as he has done in the past, locked on to Adams on Saturday. The only wide receivers to get targets other than Adams were Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb — and both only got one apiece. And it’s not because they weren’t open. Lazard and Cobb had space on multiple occasions, but Rodgers never saw them. 

A lot of the blame obviously falls at the feet of the special teams for taking points off the board on a field goal block and giving points to San Francisco on the punt block, which ultimately turned the tide in the upset win. 

But Rodgers just has to play better. On a divisional playoff weekend that saw Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford and Joe Burrow shine when the spotlight was brightest, Rodgers did the exact opposite. 

And that’s why it’s time for the Packers to make the tough decision and move on. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Hematite's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:27 am

You are perfectly correct, the Packers should move on from Aaron Rodgers.
He is 38 years old and getting older by the day.
His ridiculous contract is strangling the Packers that will cause them to have to cut or not offer contracts to many very good players.
The Packers need to get back on solid financial ground regarding the salary cap and moving on from Rodgers would go a long way toward doing just that.

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dblbogey's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:51 am

For once, I agree with Cory. Time to move on. Ideally, we can work out a trade that could get us a few nice draft picks, it frees up $45 million. I'm not sold on Love and considering the the infatuation they had with Hundley and Kizer, I'm not sure they are real good at evaluating QBs. Keep Rodgers and you lose several key free agents and eliminate the possibility of being active in free agency. Plus, Rodgers has failed too often in the big games.

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murf7777's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:33 am

How is Rodgers contract ridiculous, if anything, it was a steal. His contract if my memory serves me correct was an average of around 35M per year. At the time, even though it was the highest contract, I stated on this board it was a good deal and it won’t be long before many others have higher contracts and don’t play as well. Without research I suspect there are 5+ QB’s higher with many more to come. He’s the leading candidate for MVP and his contract is just above average right now.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:16 am

I think the issue is that his cap hit is the most visible on a team with major cap issues in 2022.

Right now, his cap hit of $46M is second in the NFL to Matt Ryan in 2022 (and just ahead of Cousins' $45M). Currently, 9 QBs have hits above $30M in 2022. I agree, that will likely go up, but it seems unlikely anyone else will eclipse ARod's $45M on a new or renegotiated contract in 2022.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 02:32 pm

And, of course, we still retain him. So we don't just lose him in FA for a third round compensatory pick. How much is that worth?

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Hematite's picture

January 25, 2022 at 02:32 pm

No single player on any roster should take up one fifth (or more) of the salary cap!!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:50 am

No offense Cory, but I didn't even read the article. I'm already tired of the "Rodgers must go" narrative. Yes he had a bad game, he even admitted it. But he was not the sole reason why we lost. Lets not forget that part. It takes 3 phases to win/lose a game. The offense was absolutely terrible, yes. The defense was outstanding, yet still let us down. They had opportunities at 2 possible pick 6's and they didn't go for the ball. And the final drive they had to stop them from getting 7 yards. They gave up 9. And Special Teams had probably the WORST performance I had ever seen. They cost us 10 points in a game that we lost by 3.

I just want to remind everyone like I did yesterday. Be careful what you wish for. That grass is not always greener on the other side. Wishing Aaron Rodgers gone does not mean we will be a better team. It doesn't mean we will automatically be in the super bowl. Hell it doesn't even mean we will even be in the playoffs. I have seen so many fans saying they would rather the team be the worst team in the league then to have Rodgers back and make an attempt in the playoffs to get to the super bowl. WHAT???? I'm sorry I will never understand you if that is your thought. Go tell a Browns fan that. How about a Lions, Dolphins, Jets, Jaguars, Broncos, and many other fan bases who would dream to even be in the playoffs on a regular basis.

I get we are after championships, and we have not had one in 12 years. But getting rid of Rodgers does NOT mean we will win the Championship. So be careful what you wish for.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:16 am

Nobody I know of is saying the grass is greener with “not Rodgers” at QB. What they are saying, I believe, is that the grass isn’t green enough with him either. With Rodgers and our cap it isn’t getting greener next year. The green years are gone, the inevitable-at-some-point time for replanting has arrived.

In your parlance: we likely won’t win the championship next year or beyond with or without Rodgers at QB. The best we can hope for is to get something not nothing for him, retain other talent and try to build a platform where we might have a chance again sooner than otherwise. There’s no sugar in this reality but it doesn’t make it less real.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:45 am

Based on comments I have read, People want Rodgers gone for various reasons.

I'm simply trying to remind people that while they may want him gone, be prepared that our team will struggle to win a lot of games. They will struggle to get enough wins to make the playoffs. This game is built around the QB. Outside of the 5ish elite QB's, look at the QB play in this league. Its hard to find a QB that is good let alone great. When you have a great one you would be wise to keep him as long as you can.

Rodgers gives us the best chance to win a Championship. If you can give me a QB with a better chance of doing it then Rodgers, I will gladly listen to that. Love isn't ready for that.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:20 am

You asked, you got - Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow...

Of course, all those are not available. And, probably, would cost more than "our" Diva...

It is interesting that you are completelly forget the cap issue. You are acting like Aaron Rodgers can win SB alone. If he is, why he did not do that in the past. Why we are discussing about any other player, when you need only Diva?

Second issue is that he is choker. In every important game he disapeared. He is arrogant and he believes that he is the smartest guy on the earth, probably in the Universe.

When will we finally accept that repeating things that not works in our favor will not brought us favor in the repeated try.

Please, go through the post season games and you'll see that Aaron Rodgers, even in the SB year play poorly in the every postseason after 2020.

2011 lost vs Giants, 2012 lost vs Niners, 2013 lost vs Niners, 2014 lost vs Seattle, 2015 lost vs Cardinals, 2016 lost vs Falcons, 2019 lost vs Niners, 2020 lost vs Bucs, 2021 lost vs Niners.

What gives you any confidence that this sequence will change? This year he had the best team ever. So, the only common denominator was and is Aaron Rodgers.

So, yes, we need to move from him. He might have better luck with some other team. I wish him the best. Yes, Packers will sucks few years, but few only. If we push cap money to the future trying to make another "last dance", those few years might become few decades. Are you willing to do that? Look at Bills and Bengals, look at some other franchises. They will be happy to have winning record of the season, at least.

I'm not willing to support any player, especially such an arrogant and narcissistic person as Aaron Rodgers. I was his huge supporter. I defended him (not on this page) when Favre saga was in the full disclosure. But he is doing the same thing - trying to put himself in front of the franchise I like and support. Remember, no person is larger than Packers.

Despite everything that happend I still love this team, at the moment it is painful love. I hope that we understand that players comes and goes, but Packers will live. So, we only need love and maybe Love. We will soon knows for certain.

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TarynsEyes's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:45 am

I'm really trying to stay away but ridiculousness drags me back in. What is being implied here by RCPackerFan is his fear of not having Division Titles to brag about and using that to deny his in-reality belief that Rodgers can't and won't win any more championships for GB, less the Division Title to hold over the other division teams, which is ridiculous to place such great esteem upon it.

Rodgers in playoff games, with the most recent as proof, has turned more to a wrist-flicker passer to Adams and Jones of 5 yards max while the SF and other playoff opponents dared him to test their average at best Corners, which he once-upon-a-time would setup, salivate, and then abuse with passion using all and any in his arsenal. He has over the last few seasons become the one target QB that would be expected from an intern like Jordan Love.

No, RC, Rodgers is no longer the best chance to win a Championship but is now the best chance to not win a Championship, less it be a Division Title, and that is not a title to brag about, but be ashamed that it's all we get.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:02 pm

Best chance for a championship? Hardly.

Time after time, Rodgers has failed to get the Packers to the Super Bowl. Seeing how he can’t make it out of the NFC with his flaws and cap hit, they have little chance for a championship with him. And how is this expensive, obstinate, & inflexible QB with declining skills going to lead the team to victory against Mahomes or Burrow or Alllen? It’s not happening

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Caden819's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:23 am

How did a unit who gave up 6 points, forced 5 punts, one turn over on downs, and one interception "still let you down"? How are you going to sit there and put blame on a unit who "had opportunities at 2 possible pick 6's" when Rodgers blatantly missed open receivers and forced the ball to a double covered D Adams all night long. You putting any blame on the defense is just absolutely mind blowing to me.

"But getting rid of Rodgers does NOT mean we will win the Championship. So be careful what you wish for."
Well keeping him does NOT mean we will win a championship either, clearly

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:55 am

They let us down because they didn't capitalize on the plays they could have made. 2 interceptions at the very least could have completely changed the game. The Defense played amazing. But they still left plays on the field. And they couldn't stop the 49ers at the end of the game when it truly mattered. I'm not blaming the defense, but they did allow the 49ers to get in position to make that final kick when they couldn't do it.

Rodgers missed plays. I'm not saying he isn't blameless. But this entire loss is not on him. Yes had he played to his level of normal play they win easily. He struggled for whatever reason. When one player struggles you need other players to step up. The ground game was very non existent. Perhaps that was more based on the OL changes they made. From week 17 to this game they had almost an entire new OL. Should we blame the coaches for that decision? In the 4th Quarter Dillon breaks his ribs and that changed what they could do offensively.

Special teams is what truly lost the game. No one can disagree with that.

And back to Rodgers. My whole point is for the people that want him gone, things could get very dark in GB without Rodgers as the QB. We could have many long losing seasons ahead. Just saying prepare yourself if your wish comes true and that does happen.

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Caden819's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:10 pm

The defense let nobody down. They gave up 6 points, what else did you want them to do? They gave the ball back to the offense on 7 different occasions. The offense shit the bed, that's why we lost this game. If you take the blocked punt off the board do we win? Sure. If the offense does its job and scores on at least half of their possessions is it a blow out? Absolutely. The offense didn't get it done, its that simple. I went to bat for Arod all season long, but he doesn't get any excuses anymore. Not after what I watched on Saturday. For years "he needs a defense" now we're going to point the blame at the special teams? Get real, I'm not saying the special teams was great all year but like I said if the offense does their job the blocked punt/field goal don't even play a part in it. Just like last year when his defense gifted him with 3 picks that he did nothing with. He is not the answer and clearly he hasn't been in the past 12 years. Its time for a change at 1265 Lombardi Avenue whether its good or bad I really don't care. We cant win with the guy so what's the difference if he is gone?

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:13 pm

"He is not the answer and clearly he hasn't been in the past 12 years"

If he is the answer, the Packers need to bring Ken Jennings in because they sure can't figure out the right question.

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Caden819's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:24 pm

"If he is the answer, the Packers need to bring Ken Jennings in because they sure can't figure out the right question"

I got this one... Who is the biggest playoff choker in NFL history?

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Caden819's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:14 pm

To also add to what I just stated, the OL make up was terrible. Why Nijman wasn't at LT with Turner at RT is still beyond me. The OL still wasn't as big of an issue as Rodgers flat out ignoring other WRs to throw to a double covered D Adams

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:39 am

So how do you suggest the Packers keep Rodgers without entering the rebuilding phase that he bluntly stated he wants no part of? I don't see any way they can keep him.

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gkarl's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:48 am

The GBP in the short term will not be as good without AR, most would agree I believe. The problem is he hasn't been able to get the job(SB) done either. At some point its time to move on.

AR has a tremendous amount of control when that happens, not MLF, not 1265 and certainly not us fans. Like he said he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and that must happen soon given the cap situation. I just don't see him being a GBP next year but it will be his choice as much if not more than anybody.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 02:38 pm

RC, I'm sorry you are afraid of what the future without Rodgers might look like. I don't agree with your vision, and neither does the head coach who has promised a "better version" next year.

Just as I got tired of every season ending in a Favre interception, I'm tired of watching us continuously come up short. We blame the HC, the coaches, the defense, the special teams. And we change the HC, the coaches, the defense, and the special teams. And we still come up short. At what point should a reasonable person start to wonder if Rodgers has it in him to lead a group of men to the top?

I've known leaders in the military, sports, education and business. Some are better than others. But having a guy who can actually deliver the goods, no matter what, is priceless. Rodgers, sadly, is not that guy.

IF we brought Rodgers back next year and fell short again, it'd be somebody else's fault. Everything changes, but not that, apparently.

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dekan51's picture

January 25, 2022 at 02:43 pm

"Be careful what we wish for..."

No one expects us to be better next year w/out AR. No one expects us to be a playoff/SB team. NO ONE.

But, the goal of every team is to win a SB. DO we think we can w/AR right now? I think no. His day has past. I have zero faith he can deliver that. Can we win a SB w/Love? No one knows the answer to that, but it is time to see.

AR was 6-10 his 1st season as a starter. Would the team have been better had Favre stayed? Of course, but we would not have gone to the SB. The front office knew Favre's days were done, so they moved on. They did not know what they had with AR, but they knew BF was done.

AR is done. He know longer has the legs to make those incredible runs for 1st downs. JL is an unknown, no matter what anyone says. It's time for MLF to install an offense build around JL, not AR, and see where it goes.....

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:20 pm

Rodgers has become a weird kind of cancer. Consider:

1. Rodgers plays great and the Packers win a ton of games in the regular season.
2. Green Bay heads into the post-season on a high and fans are giddy with anticipation.
3. Rodgers plays like Jay Cutler (at best) and the Packers are bounced from the playoffs.
4. Rodgers blames everyone but himself.

EVERY. FUCKING. YEAR.

Time to move on.

Someone here compared our Packers experience under late-stage Rodgers as "Groundhog Day seasons". They were absolutely correct.

Rodgers doesn't want to play on a rebuilding team? Fine - sign him to a guaranteed four-year contract and ship him to the Bears - this will guarantee that the Bears won't win a Championship for those four years.

Time to excise this weird cancer and start fresh.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:02 pm

That's pretty much the picture. The Brain Trust wants him back to protect their jobs and sell merchandise.
His lunatic rants didn't do him any favors with the FANs as reading the NY Times comments section has revealed the Green And Gold Grandmas want his ass out the door. The guy just froze in the second half and of course his TEAM mates didn't help the cause. You have to make the Plays when given the Chance. Dropped passes, the no play on INTs, the repetitive Failure of a dysfunctional special teams by coaching, personnel and obviously institutional indifference. They will offer him a three year extension for a one year go and hope is a better PR guy down the road than the embezzler, Brett.

Watching the introduction of the O line starters set the Groundhog day scenario in full dystopian breakdown set to unfold. LaFleur has NOT learned any lessons regarding Playoff Football. New plays, motion and counters to displace their LBs. Use of a FB/HB to set the lead draw. Lewis' fumble was the back breaker for some reason, even though it happened early in the Game. Not a Mentally Tough squad. Viewing the weekend's playoff games, not a mentally tough and sound League--that's Entertainment.

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Oppy's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:25 pm

"The Brain Trust wants him back to protect their jobs and sell merchandise."

The Packers have been planning on moving on without Rodgers since 2019 season came and went.

They fired MM, told Rodgers not to be the problem, then watched as he openly defied the new coaching staff and was difficult to deal with in just about every way. So they decided it's time and drafted a QB with the plan to move on. That plan was doubled down on after this offseason.

This cap situation is no accident. The Packers knew they were moving on after 2021. They renegotiated contracts to keep the team together for the last run at a superbowl. They knew the $50M over the cap in 2022 could only be subsided by moving on from Rodgers and moving forward with the future.

The brain trust is done with Rodgers.

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NickPerry's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:01 am

"Lazard and Cobb had space on multiple occasions, but Rodgers never saw them."

Hmmmm...I have to disagree Cory...It wasn't that Aaron Rodgers never saw them, he never LOOKED for them. Al's piece yesterday showed us just how wide open Lazard was. Had Rodgers hit Lazard he may still be running. Both players who were covering Adams had their momentum going AWAY from where Lazard could have run. The other player who was covering EQ could have been blocked by EQ long enough for Lazard to get waaaaay downfield before if ever he catches him. IMO to the 25 yard line AT LEAST!

The thing that bugs me the most is the Play was DESIGNED to go to Lazard. It's a staple of this offense we've watch MAY times be successful. But just like last year Rodgers didn't even look. Nope, Rodgers just locked in on Adams and threw a bad ball into double coverage. Oh, and BTW...The Packers had the SAME result. A crushing end to the season because Rodgers INSISTS on doing things his way. MLF isn't going to throw his QB under the bus. and now many are blamming MLF. He DOES deserve blame, but not for that 3rd and 11 play. That was ALL Aaron Rodgers and an all too ffamiliar result.

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Duneslick's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:57 pm

Again The thing that bugs me the most is the Play was DESIGNED to go to Lazard. were you in the huddle. How would you know this

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Leatherhead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 02:40 pm

He ignored an open Lazard last year in the championship game, too, for what could have been the winning TD.

Who wants to bet that Lazard has a career year next year with a QB who can actually see him?

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:14 pm

If he gets eight hours of sleep per night.

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Malland56's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:22 pm

You mean the pass to Adams at the end of the game. If that is the one your talking about it was St. Brown who was wide open down the middle with I think Lazard crossing over the middle also open past the 1st down sticks

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Roadrunner23's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:08 am

It will be a very very very interesting off-season. Hopefully less painful than last year’s debacle.
Stay, go or trade I am on board with whatever they do. Gutekunst has proved he can overcome and adapt.
Rodgers just couldn’t finish the deal these past two years at Lambeau, too bad.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:22 pm

Rodgers hasn't been able to finish the deal THESE LAST 10 YEARS.

Is it a coincidence that Favre and Rodgers both won Super Bowls when they were three and four-year starters and then shat the bed the rest of their career (regarding playoffs and champtionship games)? Personally, I don't think so.

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JerseyCheese's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:12 am

Unfortunately I agree. Rodgers time is up as a Packer. He will go down as the best regular season QB of all time and just an above average one in the playoffs. He looked like he wanted no part of that game. Maybe he really is spooked about facing the 49ers, who knows.

Either way, if we keep Rodgers and tag Adams, this team might look a lot different next year. No Campbell, No Smith, No Lazard, No Tonyan, No Cobb, No MVS -- this really was "The Last Dance" and that's why it hurts so bad.

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Hematite's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:53 am

I wish my thumbs up/down feature worked, you deserve a thumbs up!!!

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Johnblood27's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:18 am

Rodgers is a great technician of the QB position. His technical skills surpass anyone I have ever seen, although the new wave of QB (who need not fear any physical contact, let alone damage) have taken Rodgers pioneering QB skill set to yet another level.

Did you see Mahommes and Allen???

Yet, as great as a pioneering technician as AR was, he is no more. He looks lost in shifting the pocket with subtle moves, he can no longer outrun DL to the edge and his throws have lost the otherworldly accuracy he had for so long.

It is time, and time waits for no man. Move on.

I might add that IMO Rodgers is a technician at the QB position, however he is not a great competitor. He relies on his technical skills at all times. He believes his decisions both on and off the field are the only way to succeed. Competitors do whatever it takes to WIN THE GAME even it is someone elses' idea, or it is a lesser known receiver getting the big catch. Experiencing the thrill of victory along with your teammates in the ultimate team sport is a competitors only goal, not another individual trophy or being a statistical leader in some fantasy driven category.

I love the Packers in spite of the perversion that Goodall has turned NFL football into but I am ready to root new members of the team onto victory and let the Aaron Rodgers era in GB end here. Even though that may mean losing some games along the way. I remember the 70's and 80's and I do not believe that the current GBP team will fall into that kind of stupor without AR.

Thanks for the great football memories, AR.

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murf7777's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:28 am

There’s a big difference in how Allen and Mahommes run the ball. Allen, not unlike Cam Newton goes right into contact, while Mahommes, like Wilson finds ways not to take contact. Allen is not for long in the NFL at a high level if he continues the trend of running into contact. All you have to do is look at how long most RB’s or other running QB’s who take contact survive in the NFL.

To say Rodgers doesn’t move in the pocket at a high level is just wrong, IMO. He’s still has a great presence in the pocket and foot work. Whether he stays with GB or goes to another good team you will see him compete for a championship. If he didn’t have that presence he wouldn’t the the leading candidate for MVP. If he chooses, he will still be highly competitive for a few years and maybe more.

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PeteK's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:26 am

That's why I'm surprised he didn't use some of that mobility on Sat. He had a few chances on the left side.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:51 am

I think your take on Allen is spot on.

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Handsback's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:06 am

I was going to post something similar, but you said it best. I remember the 70-80s and the team has some good people running it now verses then. Could be some lean years, but pull that salary cap bandage off and reload.

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CheesyTex's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:28 pm

Fully agree with you Johnblood27, but hope like hell there are 5 or 6 GM's out there looking to trade for #12 that disagree with you.

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murf7777's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:19 am

I have mixed feelings about trading vs keeping Arod.

First off, if we come to terms with Arod to a 4-5 year contract, the SC will go down from his 2022 46M cap. They will back load the contract. With Adams, who I’m not endorsing to resign, but if you do, he would also have to have a back loaded contract. Arod is a generational type of talent so ride him till the end and stay in the playoffs with hopes for the big one. If they sign Arod, do they have to rebuild? I don’t think so, they can extend that process for a few years down the road yet. Yes, they will have to cut some vets like Z. Smith and some others. But, I believe they can cut where they have depth and still be highly competitive for a few years. TGR, if your out there I’d love your take on this.

On the other side, I do get tired of Arod’s drama and if we can get two to three first rounders, especially if they are a top 10 picks there probably won’t be another time to get that much draft capital.

I think the main part of GB’s decision on whether they keep Arod or not is how they feel about Love. I’d be more supportive of keeping Arod but I also don’t think either is right or wrong. I have no choice but to trust Gutey and Co to make the right decision. Fingers crossed for the GB future success.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:09 am

"Arod is a generational type of talent so ride him till the end and stay in the playoffs with hopes for the big one."

I hear what you're saying--every year could be the year with #12. He's a great player. Nobody is denying his ability. But when is it ever going to be more "the year" than this year?...or last year? There's a lot of finger pointing going on based on who people tend to side with, but something needs to change.

"If they sign Arod, do they have to rebuild? I don’t think so, they can extend that process for a few years down the road yet."

Right now, nobody has problems with the 2023 or 2024 caps. Supposedly we can expect those to explode. The problem is with the 2022 cap, and the Packers are going to need to shift a lot of bodies in order to try to just maintain.

This isn't the Blues Brothers, and the Packers can't keep trying to put one more concert together to save the Penguin. That's backward looking, and does nothing but continue to push current cap issues onto future caps, always putting you at a disadvantage compared to other teams with more flexibility, chasing your tail, and never getting out of your cap messes. Suddenly you have an old, desperately-declining roster, and no way to get out of it.

"I think the main part of GB’s decision on whether they keep Arod or not is how they feel about Love."

I think Love has very little to do with it. The Packers will likely bring in some kind of vet with starting experience and probably draft a developmental rookie...let the best man win the job--as it should be. The cap and the planning for the departure of #12--including choice of coach and reorganizing the roster around different types of players--is preordaining this. Radical shifts jeopardize that kind of planning and leaves you with big holes. I think shifting from that kind of plan should be based on significant opportunity,..I'm not sure how much retaining a guy who never gives a home town discount and is like that gallon of milk in the back of the fridge (at some point soon, you're going to pop it open and it's gonna smell bad) is that opportunity.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:27 am

Well put. I completely agree that Love really doesn’t come into it. He will get a chance, but it could well be that they bring in a vet to allow them to continue developing him next season and add competition (or develop Benkert).

Rodgers isn’t the player he was, he’s still excellent, but he mentally as well as physically isn’t able to do the impossible when it matters. If Brady quits, Rodgers and the Bucs might be a dream for both if their cap still allows a packed roster (haven’t checked).

It’s always dangerous to look at the past as a guide to football futures or to get blinders on and see just one player in the overall picture. Emotionally, it’s tempting, but it is as you suggest, a road to perdition.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:36 am

I would not be surprised if a young QB on a cheap deal (because the Packers can't take on cap in return--it's self defeating) comes in return for 12 with other compensation. It's likely that an acquiring team will readily want to clear the QB room in that way. Imagine sending ARod to Philly for their 3 #1s (all between 15 and 20) this year and Hurts or Minshew? That's a f'rinstance, of course, but now you've got a young QB who can play now and either become your long-term starter or holdover or even a trade piece if Love is your man.

Options! This process is all about a plan and having an eye for the right options.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:24 pm

Rodgers got us 10 effing points against a defense that was missing its number one CB. He's an MVP during the regular season and a Jay Cutler in the playoffs.

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GP1's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:42 am

Mid season marvel Post season flop.

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Houndog's picture

January 26, 2022 at 06:39 am

Murf777
"if we can get two to three first rounders, especially if they are a top 10 picks there probably won’t be another time to get that much draft capital".

Let's see Murf,
Each team has only one 1st round pick, so "two or three Top 10 first round picks" would seem to suggest that Rodgers' future team will be pretty damned lame with him at the helm.
If you're correct, then Hell Yes, trade him right now! Now! Right Now! Today!

There's a couple teams that have accumulated multiple 1st round picks, but all Top 10 picks, I don't think so.
Would they part with them if they had them? Again, I don't think so

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egbertsouse's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:36 am

Did you listen to LaFlower’s end of season presser? Rodgers isn’t going anywhere. The off-season appeasement has already begun. He even threw Love under the bus, stating that he wasn’t ready for prime time. Aaron should love that. I’m sure in the next couple months they will give Davante the key to the vault to please Rodgers. Listen up, these guys are not going to give up their security blanket on a rebuild that might cost them their jobs. They will take Aaron and his guaranteed 10 regular season wins and then put on their Droopy Dog faces and make excuses when they get embarrassed by good teams in the playoffs. It’s the Packer way.

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Tex49's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:49 am

If you want to trade for top dollar you don’t advertise your done with the player.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:56 am

Yup! You gotta have a poker face. At this point, everyone knows the Packers will be shopping. The question is: will they actually sell? Apparently Russell Wilson is off the market. Watson is available, and the Texans have already turned down 3-1s from Miami for him. Who else is there to be had? Certainly Brady winning the title last year, and Stafford playing well in LA help put any owner or GM who might be considering on the clock. The market should be solid if the Packers don't blow it.

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coolhand's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:10 am

And I also have read that Hackett is a strong finalist for the Denver HC job. Expect Denver to make a strong push to hire him and lure Rodgers in. GB should be making plans to trade 12 to the Broncos for the most they can get, maybe even Adams as well.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:27 am

They'd have to tag or re-sign 17 before they could deal him--which is at $20M more in cap space (on the tag) than they already have to make up--but I agree: he's probably not coming back, and if you're going to blow it up, get more than that end of 3rd round compensatory 2023 pick for 17 (not to mention control over where he lands) if you can.

IF this team moves on from ARod (and I'm pretty sure they will), find those guys on your roster that will be core players for the next 3-5 years, make sure they're locked up, and be creative with everyone else.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:55 am

If Rodgers and Adams both go there the rest of the Broncos offense need to brace for some 2-man ball next post season.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:11 pm

They wouldn't need to worry about dealing Jeudy, Sutton, or Fant...

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barutanseijin's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:00 pm

Does Hackett want to work Rodgers? Given a choice, he may not.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 01:41 pm

What if the other choice is Teddy Bridgewater or Drew Lock?

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:08 pm

I'm more worried about Rodgers blowing shit up on his way out and screwing the Packers. I heard today that he's going to make his play before they can franchise Adams. He'll be "sensitive" about Tae's situation. If I were Davante, I'd keep my hand on my wallet.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:47 pm

True, NFL management typically works in the mode of Used Car Dealers, including scalping tickets to the opposition's Fans.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:31 am

LaFleur has not emerged from this season well. He wants to please too much and he either is being led by Rodgers or can’t learn from and correct his own mistakes. I think this is all part of why he hired and stuck by Drayton despite the obvious. Very worrying in a HC.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:36 am

Agree. As I already stated MLF has to grow up and take the responsibility of the position he is at completelly. If you have QB who si your "pal" you will be burnt. Socializing is socializing, and business is business. You must not mix those 2 if you want to succeed. Especially not with highly intellingent person who cares only about himself.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:08 pm

I tend to agree, with a caveat, CW. Matt did want to hire Rizzi, one of the best ST coaches in the NFL. The two really hit it off. Murphy balked at Rizzi's salary expectations. I read both Matt and Gutey lobbied Murphy and he relented a few days later, but Rizzi said "thanks, but I have moved on" and went to the Saints.

Matt did try very hard to get Jim Leonard as DC. He almost succeeded recruiting a reluctant Leonard who loves being a Badgers DC. Those two hit it off too...but Jim's wife was able to convince him to stay in Madison for their family. Barry was a poor man's second choice but was a better fallback than Mo Drayton who learned how to coach STs from Zook and Mennenga.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:58 pm

That's the best spin that Lafleur's people put out on the DC mess. What I heard was somewhat darker. Gute went over Murphy's head to the Executive Committee on Rizzi, but by that time he had been hired by the Saints. Lafleur had no fallback on Rizzi and... we know the rest. I have nothing but praise for Barry for walking into an ugly situation and making it work. All in all, this is not a good record for Lafleur.

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pacman's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:39 am

I got some thumbs down when I posted yesterday about keeping AR and letting Adams go to, in effect, force him to look elsewhere. How many games did we lose when Adams didn't play - zero (right?)

The other thing here is that if AR comes back, he would probably have an even bigger chip on his shoulder to prove he can win. It worked for the last 2 years.

But the biggest issue is how MLF and AR agree to run the offense. Will this experience make AR a little more humble? OTOH, I am not impressed with MLF and his leadership seeing how many games over the last few years the Packers were just flat and how they could not adjust, etc.

We don't know this inner workings at all. So we will have to leave it to management (only because they won't let us decide :) ).

The depression has lessened. I'm ok with AR staying if the above issues can be worked out.

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rstain99's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:09 am

I think MLF needs to sack up a bit, he bows down to AR on everything. He is the HC tell AR get in line run the plays I send in or get someone else. Stop the cheerleading on the sideline and actually coach. Tremendous winning record other than playoffs, get involved in all aspects, The ST need new coach no question, hello Joe Judge I know terrible HC but he did learn from Bill Belicheck in NE. Don't cheap out like you did with Rizzi when you statrted, he was your ST coach MLF you blew that one. Send Crosby to retirement sorry leg is just not there anymore. Just tired of watching playoff duds

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:15 am

"The other thing here is that if AR comes back, he would probably have an even bigger chip on his shoulder to prove he can win. It worked for the last 2 years."

San Francisco 37, Green Bay 20
Tampa Bay 31, Green Bay 26
San Francisco 13, Green Bay 10

"But the biggest issue is how MLF and AR agree to run the offense."

The biggest issue is whether management can continue to run a franchise and plan player moves and acquisitions with a high-profile, relatively inexperienced voice in the room that demands to be heard, and talks too much to the media.

There's no issue with LaF and the offense. ARod makes the line calls, ARod takes the snaps, ARod throws the ball. LaF is only an observer in that process. There's no issue.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:37 am

We need to cut a little over 40 million in cap by March even if we resign no one. Rodgers and Z together account for a little under 35. By the start of next season we’d need about another 25 just to operate normally. Adams is not included in that as his contract is finished.

Resign Rodgers and there’s even less left. There is no way this team is as good with him no matter how far one kicks the can in his contract. It’s not just Adams that likely gone.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:06 am

"We need to cut a little over 40 million in cap by March even if we resign no one. Rodgers and Z together account for a little under 35."

The Packers could easily add 2-3 years to Amos' contract and turn AJones' 2022 roster bonus into signing bonus and they're pretty much back to break-even. As you point out--and what a lot of people miss--is there's still no room to sign picks or do business, but that's no additional casualties beyond 12 and 55.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:43 am

Well dobber, that will delayed rebuilding and make it much longer. I read that if you are waiting to rebuild team (not in NFL) for every year you are waiting, you need to add at least 3 years.

In European soccer you had one wonderfull team (Barcelona) that put many records, but they were prolonging rebuilding (because of one player, I suppose you heard of him - Lionel Messi), become very dependent on him, but father time started to affect him and now they are already 3 years in rebuilding and it will last some more years to be relevant again.

So, no way we should keep Diva for the sake of the team...

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:17 pm

We're absolutely on the same page.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:03 pm

I wouldn’t count on it. The chips on Rodgers shoulders haven’t gotten him over the hump yet.

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Roadrunner23's picture

January 25, 2022 at 07:55 am

I agree with pacman, Adams is a Great WR but the offense is more effective and less predictable when Rodgers is distributing like a point guard using all of his weapons.
Let Adams walk, go to more of a run based and quick pass game with Rodgers distributing.
It would extend Rodgers career and it would be exciting to see the full extent of MLF offense.
If Rodgers isn’t on board with MLF vision of the offense then it will truly be time to move on.
I’m betting he stays.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:59 am

I don't think we will ever see the full extent of MLF offense until Rodgers is gone.

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Swisch's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:10 am

It may be that Rodgers is unable to survey the field properly to find secondary receivers.
I'm terrible at chess because I can't see the board comprehensively and visualize various moves. That doesn't make me a bad person. I'm really good at crossword puzzles because my mind races through possible answers. We have to know our strengths and weaknesses.
As for Rodgers, has his spectacular passing ability somewhat hidden an inability to process his progression from the primary receiver to alternatives, especially when the rush is fierce?
Would this be a recent deterioration, or a longtime weakness of his?
Until such questions are answered, I don't know why the Packers would want to continue with Rodgers, or any other team would want to give up much to acquire him.
If Rodgers has just been stubborn in focusing on Davante, perhaps he would be willing to change. However, if this is something he is unable to do very well, then that's a problem that seemingly can't be properly fixed.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:16 am

"It may be that Rodgers is unable to survey the field properly to find secondary receivers."

I just don't buy that. This is the smartest man on the field. He makes adjustments for his OL, can tell you what to expect from just about every player on the field and where they ought to be. If he doesn't know where his second, third, and fourth reads are, then he's a fraud.

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Swisch's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:39 am

A quarterback has to do it all so very fast, though, in the face of a ferocious pass rush.
Rodgers is likely able to process the field somewhat, but still may be below average.
Perhaps his super skills as a passer have obscured this weakness all along, or his ability to survey and react has lessened as he's grown older.
It's not a statement on my part but a question to be considered, an extremely important one.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:52 am

dobber, one of the first skills that are afected by father time is peripheral vision. Last year I already mention that it looks like Aaron lost some peripheral vision and many was spit on me. This year it might be more influenced. Peripheral vision allows you to notice moves and objects from side of the direction you are looking at. It might be some truth in Swisch claims.

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TarynsEyes's picture

January 25, 2022 at 01:24 pm

"As for Rodgers, has his spectacular passing ability somewhat hidden an inability to process his progression from the primary receiver to alternatives, especially when the rush is fierce?"

It's called 'fixation' and that Last Dance tweet spoke clearly to it., and they both desired to make the playoffs their stage, but the lights they hoped to shine bright dimmed as the dance went on as they proved they weren't the dance team popularized by their own egos or least one's ego. Yes, the regular season allowed others to participate, but to share the stage with non-stars appears taboo. They wanted their pending separation to be magnificent but ended a dud as like the other times.

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Guam's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:24 am

I think the author has it backwards although the result will be the same. I don't think the Packers will move on from Rodgers, I think Rodgers will move on from the Packers. If you listened to Rodgers' post game comments he very clearly stated (1) he doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild at this stage in his career and (2) he waxed eloquently about the great times he has had in Green Bay, sounding very much like a man saying goodbye.

The Packers are going to lose a flock of top tier players to salary cap issues - that is a given. Next year will be a mini-rebuild even if Rodgers stays. I think Rodgers would prefer to pull a "Brady" and move on to a team that he believes is a QB away from Super Bowl bound and he has the leverage to do so with his contract. The Packers can't keep Rodgers at $46 million next year (or it will be a major rebuild given the number of players they would have to cut to keep him at that rate), so they either need to extend his contract or trade him. If he refuses to extend, the Packers only option will be to trade him.

I think the Rodgers era in Green Bay is over, but it will be because Rodgers wants it to be over.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:03 am

^^THIS^^

The Packers called ARod's bluff this summer: you're playing in GB or you're not playing. Then it turned into a negotiation. Then he played. It was in his best interest to play well so he COULD have suitors and opportunities this off-season. I don't think he has any interest in retiring, and the Packers did this awful, distracting dance year after year with a QB 15 years ago...it was a mess.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:44 am

I believe you are right. That’s how I read his comments, particularly yesterday and I think the roster reality is harsher than many realize. He won’t be blind to that though. If Brady really retired, maybe Tampa joins the hunt.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:55 am

I already told you that Aaron Rodgers will not accept Bruce Ariens for his HC. He will kick him in the a** very hard the first time Aaron would try to start his shit.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:02 pm

Packers won't trade him within the NFC.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:20 pm

If the price is right, and ARod is willing to accept the destination, I'd trade him anywhere...but I think you're right in that the price might be a little higher to keep him in conference.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:28 pm

Why not? We have an ample sample-set that AR CANNOT win the big games. Trading him to TB would guarantee that TB will never see the Super Bowl as long as AR plays for them.

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Oppy's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:43 pm

The Packers have planned for years to move on from Rodgers, and Rodgers knows it.

Rodgers is a arrogant and vain.

Rodgers is also calculating with his messaging.

Let me spell it out: Rodgers knows the Packers are shipping his ass out. Rodgers is making statements that will give the impression it's going to be his choice, or a mutual choice, to leave Green Bay. One of his big career goals was to play for a single franchise. He's absolutely irate that's not going to happen. But he's so vain.

He knows the Packers are moving on without him. He is using language that implies it will be his choice to leave, because it saves him from the embarrassment of being jilted.. but he'd never say he wants out directly, because 1) it's not true, as evidenced by his statements repeatedly throughout his career he wants to play for a single franchise, and 2) he knows he will lose the adulation of a significant number of Packers Fans if he said flatly he wants out.

This guy has been manipulating the public perception for the last decade. I thought people finally would figure this out after the whole immunization thing. He has played this game forever. Don't let this twat continue to play the game. He isn't the smartest guy in the room.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 12:49 am

I was saying that from the moment he left his 'll never play for Packers any more before draft last year.

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NJ-RICK's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:38 am

The Packers best chance to get back in the playoffs next season would be to keep Aaron Rodgers. The NFC North will be a mess next season with so many coaching changes. Keeping AR12 will help us win another division title and get us back into the playoffs. Ask the Bears, Vikings and Lions and each one would tell you to get rid of AR12. Because they know they have no chance of winning the division unless AR12 is gone. Packers need more weapons on offense, WR,TE's and OL help. And of course the main reason we lost on Saturday night was special teams. Packers need help at LB and select more physical & aggressive type football players. OMG this guy will be the MVP of the season again and you want to get rid of him... The problem was not AR12 on Saturday night... Give credit to the 49ers for a great defensive effort, plus our offensive play calling by MLF did not make adjustments to the 49ers defensive game plan. A lot of blame to go around but at the end the 49ers were the better team Saturday night. 49er's are probably the team headed to the Super Bowl. Packer mgt will have to make it work with some hard cuts, better drafting, free agency and trades. AR12 is done yet.

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coolhand's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:23 am

The problem here is if they do keep 12, then the team will not have enough money to sign any real help you say they need. As a matter of fact, they will have to let a good number of current players walk unless 12 agrees to a major restructuring. But all that will do is push more money out into the future, where the team will have to be paying 12 even after he retires and is long gone.

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Guam's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:29 pm

The goal is not to win the NFC North, but to win the Super Bowl. AR couldn't do it with this year's loaded roster. What makes you think he will do any better next year with a lesser roster? The window is closing in Green Bay. Like it or not the time to rebuild is here.

At least now we might get some draft choices in exchange for Rodgers. Keep him for a few years and you get nothing in exchange for his retirement.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:05 pm

That's the one thing going for the Packers - they play in the NFC North! I think they can win the North if they put TJ Slayton at QB.

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Yooper's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:01 am

Def hoping to watch Devondre Campbell, Rasul Douglas, ZaDarius Smith and so many others we might not be able to afford playing great ball for us next season. If we can do that and keep Aaron....Perfect. If not please trade him and see what happens. I just watched the 49ers beat us with great defense and a QB who is middle of the road! Our defense was lights out this last game and I loved how they played!

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:04 am

"the Packers will not be able to sign De’Vondre Campbell, Rasul Douglas and Za’Darius Smith. "

Z is under contract...the Packers just can't write that check.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 25, 2022 at 01:13 pm

(sigh....) For two years we all knew the Cap would tell the tale. It really does not matter what Rodger's wanted. His contract locked the Packers window at 3 years. Gute and Ball did well squeezing an extra year out of the Cap. It's over, and for those who think we can push the Cap number out, see TGR articles on the Packers-Rodgers off season. 1265 knows it, Rodgers knows it. The rest is nothing but bad soap opera. To paraphrase Letterhead: 'Let the era of Love begin'.

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stockholder's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:10 am

Cory you aren’t the coach. And Nobody else here, is either. MLF said," Jordan Love isn’t ready." And HE wants Rodgers Back! So everybody just got a sock put in their mouth. I’m surprised somebody hasn’t posted the picture of Rodgers with his Arm around MLF. Because these two are on the same page. And like others have stated. The packers don’t rebuild now. THEY RE-LOAD. If management wants their coach to be successful. They will get him what he wants. And tickets in greenBay will sell regardless. So As much as I applaud MLF for speaking out. It brings back my memories of MM not getting what he wanted. He wanted his FAs signed. And if we didn’t have Rodgers, we wouldn’t have recovered. I don’t think Loyalty is what were seeing. Rodgers is a great talent. Still playing at a high level. You get what you pay for. I think you better start looking at others, because it isn’t going for a winning cause. After 2 years your coach just stated the truth. Love may never be ready. And now might be the time to move on from Love instead.

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Coldworld's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:47 am

Facts to you are just chaff in the wind.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:22 am

Dust...wind...DUDE!!!

--Bill and Ted.

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GP1's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:53 am

Coaches, Players, admin all lie. On the outside one never knows what is really happening.
They have appearances to keep up and the GreenBay Packers do it better than most.

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skyler's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:23 am

I totally agree, It was not Rodgers play that lost this game, it was special teams. But even if we got to the NFC Championship, Rodgers receiver trust and his tendencies to fall into bad habits when facing elite teams and you do not move on if you loss would surface. It has happen countless times for the pass 10 years and especially the last three years. The offensive has sputtered due mainly to Rodgers poor play. Is a team willing to play a player $46 million who they know will not get them to a championship? Trade him now and find a QB on another team to start. I do not believe Love will ever be a starting QB in this league. Love is a shell of Mac Jones and even Justin Fields on his points and he has one more year under his belt. It is all mental at this point and I do not believe that can change with more time. He might be a backup like Huntley or Rosen.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 09:49 am

"I totally agree, It was not Rodgers play that lost this game, it was special teams. "

If you ask your defense to make 10 points stand up against quality teams in today's fantasy-football NFL, you're going to be disappointed with the outcome about 98% of the time. I don't disagree that SF played a great defensive game, but if you're a title contender, you've got to score more than 10 points coming off a bye at home. It was the inability of the offense to get anything done that allowed fluke special teams plays--that SF had clearly targeted coming into this game--to be the difference.

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:29 pm

In fact, the defense gave up 6 points and kept SF's offense out of the end zone. If our all-world QB can only muster up 10 points, then it's ALL on him.

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Philarod's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:57 am

If this is the end of Aaron's career in Green Bay, it will be tough. One-team superstars are now extremely rare in any sport, and I hate when they leave -- especially players and franchises that I root for. It could very well happen, though. I'm not an oddsmaker, but I would set percentages, as of now, as follows: 50% go to another team; 40% stay in GB; 10% retire.

I just don't like some of the narratives that are gathering momentum. Of course, I know every single number and argument, and everyone is fixated on 3rd-and-11, and yes, he appeared to miss a wide-open Lazard to force it to Davante. Guilty. But now, I'm hearing how that has been the hallmark of his career and why we haven't gotten to more Super Bowls. Or that he's uncoachable or too arrogant or not really wanting to win Saturday. Give me a break. People are making him out to be Jeff George.

If you look at all of the Packers postseason losses, this was the one where he was most most culpable. And even then - in a low-scoring game - special teams (talk about a misnomer) spotted them 10 points. He did not make enough things happen, though, and didn't try to get the ball to Cobb and Lazard, etc. Of course he was down a running back, the Oline was getting beat, his available tight ends stink, etc. But I absolutely agree that he did not do enough to win the game.

But go through each of those 10 playoff losses. This is, if I'm correct, the first time that the Packers didn't score at least 20 points. Granted, that's not a magic number. But when was he even a secondary reason that they didn't win?
Seattle was a horrible loss, and he threw a couple uncharacteristic picks, but not only was he playing on one good leg, but it took the most maddening defensive and special teams failures to lose that one. Like 6 of them.

Arizona, when they lost another coin flip, after "the technician" made two of the greatest fourth-down throws in NFL history to first-ballot Hall of Famer Jeff Janis (actually, that second catch was great, but you get the idea).

If you want to fault him for that series vs TB last year, go ahead. He didn't make THE play, but played quite well - much better than Brady. (To have fun, look at their career postseason numbers. With what he had to control - and with lesser players - Rodgers has actually been better.

Really, when you look at his playoff resume, he's been damn good. But stay with the narratives...

Oh, a minor quibble with your minor quibble on the the throw to Jones. GB not scoring right before halftime absolutely gave the Niners belief and deflated the Packers. You roll out deep in your own territory on third down and see a wide-open (5'9") Jones. You don't lead him and risk overthrowing him as if he's Cooper Kupp or Ja'Marr Chase, You make sure you get it into his hands. I don't want to fault Jones - who played his heart out - but what was he thinking not staying down the sideline?. But even if they only get three there, a two-possession lead there would've been huge. Oh well....this all sucks.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:08 pm

All your excuses does not hold the grounds when you check the facts. Every season after 2010 SB, Aaron Rodgers QB rating was 10-25 points less during playoffs that in the regular season. You check 2011 loss, 2012 loss, 2013 loss, 2016 loss and lets talk abour 2014 loss.

You said "Seattle was a horrible loss, and he threw a couple uncharacteristic picks, but not only was he playing on one good leg, but it took the most maddening defensive and special teams failures to lose that one. Like 6 of them."

Six is the magic number. You call Packers defense at Seattle game 2014? They had 5 INT and 1 fumble (one on special teams!) - that is that MAGICAL NUMBER 6 - 5 in just one half. And how much points Packers produced from that TO? 16! 4 of them (another magical number) started near the red zone or in the red zone. WOW!

I do not like when people try to play "oh, I forget" or "my memory is not good", just to justify their false claims. Especially not in modern internet time, when you can check all the data you want to check!

Liar!

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Philarod's picture

January 25, 2022 at 02:39 pm

I know that emotions are running high, but how dare you call me a liar!! Seriously, are you that unhinged?
Because we disagree about that horrible loss to Seattle 7 years ago? That loss hurt all of us - and I don't even think I've watched the "highlights" since. Obviously, a lot of things went wring down the stretch not having to do with AR. From memory, a two-point conversion that hung there forever; Peppers' decision; Bostick on the onside kick; loss of a coin flip, and the usual clutch D in overtime. Perhaps, you should fault Rodgers for the loss next year in Arizona. Two of the best (4th down) throws in NFL history playing with a depleted cast, but "he" lost the coin flip again and, well...he should've tackled Fitz.

I don't know what you're using for that passer rating stat, but how about reality?!
The presumed GOAT, Tom Brady, has a regular season passer rating of 97.6; his postseason rating is 90.4.
This fraud, Rodgers, has a significantly higher rating in the regular season (104.5) and especially in the playoffs (100.1).
You referred to the drop-off in the playoffs: Brady (I actually think he's great as most do) drops off 7.2 points; Rodgers drops off 4.4.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 26, 2022 at 01:07 am

I appologize for calling you "Liar". That has to come first! Yes, it was emotional answer produced by fatigue because people adapting facts to support their claims,

Second! After 5 TO, 4 near or in the end zone Packers scored 1 TD and 3 FG. One of the problem was that after Diva threw INT made by Shermann he never ever look at the side of the field where Shermann is covering. That narrowed the field to half and made task more impossible. MM knew that AR will not throw in that direction any more (he would change the play call) despite Shermann played almost whole 2nd half with heavy injured shoulder that prevet him of catching the ball.

Tom Brady maybe is not in the same catagory of pure physical talent as AR, but he is smarter and with no fear. He use whole field and sometimes makes mistakes. But he believe in himself, while AR are still prooving to himself that he is the GOAT, but he is not.

When we are talking about passer rating, you have to do some advanced stats to get
true picture. Do not count games vs teams like this season playoffs Eagles or Steelers, teams that just magically entered play off, but that was pure luck. Take the games vs contenders, not pretenders.

So, records says all, 10 years in the row AR was not able to elevate his team to SB, despite many chances. Some larger, some smaller, but still chances. He is choker. When it is imoprtant he choked. Only time we saw him "careless" of the outcome was his game vs Steelers in 2010 SB. After that he become choker...

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Philarod's picture

January 26, 2022 at 07:53 am

Thanks for the apology.

We clearly disagree on several things, but probably not worth debating further.

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Packers0808's picture

January 25, 2022 at 10:59 am

It seems Rodgers PURPOSELY BLEW that game with his play being done badly! It his way or surety of his forced way out of GB or he retires! Time for his deprature either way!

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Philarod's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:21 am

Makes perfect sense to me.
You put your heart and soul into a season and a career - become one of the very best to ever play the position - and then (to force his way out of town) he shits on his teammates, his fans and his legacy,
Brilliant.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:25 am

If this had been a horse race - with one of the top jockeys - on the favorite - who had been a multiple race winner prior to the match - then giving the worst possible ride imaginable - thus losing the race - the race stewards probably would have called both the trainer and jockey before them - demanding why the jockey (and horse) ran such a poor race.

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splitpea1's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:17 am

When the Packers move on from Rodgers, they'll need to draft another QB as well; we're not just handing the job to Love and signing some journeyman backup, are we?

I'm not sure what a Rodgers trade would bring in terms of draft capital, but the prospect of restocking this team aplenty with fresh talent, especially at the WR position, and further down the ladder, special teams, is very enticing.

So if the offense ends up looking like SF's, I still think we need more speed (matched by the consistent ability to catch the ball, of course) at the WR position--I don't know what they're going to do with Amari. It may not be in harmony with the MLF approach, but I don't think every WR needs to be tall or necessarily be a great blocker. We could really use a shifty speedster capable of turning short passes into monster gains; and put someone like that back there to return kicks as well.

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frankthefork's picture

January 25, 2022 at 11:50 am

Failure. Doing the same thing over and over again without making changes and expecting a different successful result.

That is the sum of MLF in the playoffs and his decision to not take control, make adjustments or release those who can't do the job better during the regular season (32 ranked ST"s).
Fire all associated with Specials like 3 months ago-dude!

As for Mr. MVP Aaron, the Starring Rodger's is a choke under pressure in big playoff games, but a star in the regular season beating the likes of the Bears and Lions. 1-10 tries going the Lombardi.
Not a leader nor a closer.

If MLF and AR are together on the GBP's 2022 season, I expect failure in the playoffs again.
It's impossible going further together because they can't close the task and goal at hand. Lombardi!

And the Cap situation is worse than our Special Teams unit. Whoever is President would see many problems within the Packers Company-all not being addressed by both the GM and Head coaches.
Mediocrity and being average is too acceptable in this organization from the top down.

Fans want Lombardi's in the Trophy case. Without changes, it will not change the outcome.

Good=Gutey did what he could with every dime in FA and talent retention but the future is bleak.
Better= The fans are back and want changes; expecting wins, championships, and trophies.
Best= Mr. MVP Aaron the Starring Rodgers agrees to trade rather than retire as a choker.

Mad- hell yeah. Murphy A Do nothing Prez but adds to Packerland. Ball fumbles coin and has us in a money pickle for 2022-23. AR12, runs the team offensively. The head coach MLF, has qualities and potential, but is not a leader-fire MD earlier! Gutey, learning and has potential, but needs to hit the draft better. Failure to draft D linemen or front 7 earlier in his first 4 years .

Again I ask...What football team or head coach is willing to take the worst ST's unit to the Playoffs without changes and expecting miracles?

Thanks for the memories, Aaron I'm Starring, but like Brett Farve before you...don't retire just move on and help the Packers in a rebuild.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:00 pm

Sentimentally, it may be a tough decision to move on from Rodgers - practically, quantitatively and qualitatively - not.

First, your most important player strikes out in the last 3 playoffs - going 0 for 3 - with his last performance being the worst. This is a pattern - being a regularly repeated arrangement.

Secondly, his age. Performance-wise he has peaked - years ago. Therefore, the probability for a continued decline remains extremely high.

Thirdly, his salary relative to the salary cap. As is, 40m for next season! Even if the base salary cap for next season is 200m per team - his salary alone would consume 20% of the team's total. Far too high!

Fourthly, the off and in-season melodrama that Rodgers brings with him. If I want entertaining sports drama - I'll turn to the WWE.

So in short, do I want to bring back an ageing, ridiculously expensive QB, with a history of dramatics and playoff seizures? Or would I like to start afresh, on new ground, with a young talented core of players that can continue to grow and develop. An easy decision for me.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:24 pm

You could save this on your desktop and re-post it on most upcoming ARod threads.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

January 25, 2022 at 03:31 pm

I'd rather look ahead without the rear view mirror.

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Norloel's picture

January 25, 2022 at 05:35 pm

I'm with you. This latest loss is squarely on AR's shoulders and keeping him will bring us more of the same. He is extraordinarily talented, but not great. Great players are at their best when it matters most - his playoff record speaks for itself. Anyone doubting that he lost the game last Sat. needs to go back and look at the film. I broke down the key plays in a post on this site earlier.

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TxPackFan's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:02 pm

Perspective...

If you put all the NFC team names in a hat and randomly picked names out to be the NFC representative in the Super Bowl, odds are Green Bay's name would be picked once in sixteen times. Since Aaron Rodgers has been the starter, the Packers have been the NFC representative in the Super Bowl...drum roll please...once in fourteen times.

Now, I love Aaron Rodgers and what he's meant to the team -- and NFL for that matter -- but the reality is his playoff record since his third season as starter (when he was just 27 years old) is 7-10. And at 39 years old next playoffs, it's not going to get better.

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dobber's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:31 pm

I'd adjust that to say that on an annual basis 7 (but for most of the time since the last SB win, 6) NFC teams were thrown into a hat. The Packers were one of those teams all but 2 years. So that's a 1 in 7 blind chance (or better) 10 times...and several of those times, the Packers were likely the best team in the field.

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Philarod's picture

January 25, 2022 at 02:08 pm

Actually, 7-9, but who just removes a 4-0 run on a resume?!
That's silly and it kind of presumes that he was the reason for their losing. That's just not fair, although he does deserve his chunk of blame for this last loss.

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Point-Packer's picture

January 25, 2022 at 12:12 pm

I was born in 82'. I remember the Majik Man, but that is about as far back as my Packer memory goes. The post Niner loss is the most depressed my Packer fandom has ever been. I can barely read this stuff.

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Duneslick's picture

January 25, 2022 at 01:21 pm

I agree time to move on and rebuild. 1 or 2 years of mediocrity then back to the post season. I don not believe for 1 miniute as some would say he wanted to lose. I think he did everything he thought he could do to win the game. He was twice as good as SF QB. Special teams lost the game not rodgers lost the game. That being said his contract and the price of going all in needs to be paid now. Its simple math. 50 million in the whole not including Adams, Tonyan Douglass Campbell ETC. There is no magic wand to make this go away. If rodgers leaves 20 million goes away they still have 30 million in cuts or renegotiate(which got them here in the first place} to do. Its a lose now without rodgers or lose now with him and even more in the future situation

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jurp's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:34 pm

Rodgers lost the game by playing like crap, not like the MVP. When you have the best QB and best WR in the game and only put up 10 points, then yes, the QB has shat the bed and is at fault. The ST mistakes shouldn't have even come close to costing us the game if AR passes the ball to someone not named Davantae Adams.

Oh, and your salary cap calculations are incorrect.

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Philarod's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:34 pm

I love Adams, but I don't see him as the best WR in the game: I'd take Kupp, Jefferson, Chase, Hill and Samuel over him. Possibly others who have more speed and/or size. But none of this is Davante's fault - he played well. Rodgers had an off-game by his standards.

And yes, STs was the biggest factor. It's not like they made mistakes that led to 10 points. They directly cost them 10 points - took away 3 and gave them 7.

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Mags's picture

January 25, 2022 at 05:59 pm

1or 2 years of mediocrity and back to the postseason? Not with Love at QB. It will be hell of a lot longer than that.

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Malland56's picture

January 25, 2022 at 03:04 pm

I say trade AR for Russell Wilson and other good pics or players. We can then sign more of our players I would think because Russell won't be getting a huge contract like AR. The guy can still play and is better in the playoffs by far!

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Packers0808's picture

January 25, 2022 at 03:12 pm

Rodgers should be left alone, he has been needled enough!

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 25, 2022 at 04:11 pm

Dude, give it a rest. You've recycled the joke at least three times and it's still lame. Go make some fart sounds with your armpit, or call someone and ask if their refrigerator is running.

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Packers0808's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:38 pm

Don't like it don't read it! Simple enough. Call some one and see if they want to see butter fly and throw it out their window! Sew that up! Not same joke by the way!

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Oppy's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:52 pm

I mean, he's not wrong.
It's pretty lame to continually post the same joke that nobody thinks is funny.

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Packers0808's picture

January 25, 2022 at 08:19 pm

Some people not only here but other formats did. So there's that!

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gpt999's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:36 pm

I started this season as a HUGE Aaron Rodgers fan. I felt he had been treated badly by GB over the drafting of Jordan Love. I no longer am. Aaron and the Packers should move on.

I am a Packers fan first and foremost. I don't care if this team goes 16-1 during the regular season only to lose quickly in the playoffs. I would rather see this team go 10-7, make the playoffs with a solid team and win a Super Bowl. I could care less about MVPs, QB stats, coaching won-loss records and any other individual honors.

Bringing Rodgers back - under his terms - will only delay the inevitable "rebuilding" of GB after he retires. Rodgers will want Adams. Adams will strangle the already looming cap disaster. So many of the good players - especially defensive - will have to go. Teams will double team Adams all year. If they do make the playoffs again, teams will shut them down easily once again. And the same conversations will happen next year. Rodgers only has a few years left - and expensive ones at that. Bite the bullet now, Cut the umbilical cord. Find us a new QB.

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Oppy's picture

January 25, 2022 at 06:59 pm

I'm torn.

I'm relieved that Packers fans are starting to be honest about the flaws that have been present in Rodgers game, despite his talent. I am relieved that Packers fans, now, are finally starting to understand the cap situation and that keeping Rodgers moving forward means losing young, talented players that should be the backbone of a strong Packers team moving forward for the next 5-10 seasons.. that keeping Rodgers under the current financial situation actually weakens the Packers long term. That this was the strongest team we were going to see with Rodgers at the helm. That as impossible as it may seem, keeping Rodgers on the Packers is not in the best interests of the long-term health of the Packers.

I'm not gonna lie, it also doesn't feel great that the last 48 hours people are being showered with compliments on their astute evaluation of the situation and the "likes" are being doled out by the dozens, while I've been bashed and battered for years when pointing out all these things about Rodgers' faults and the inevitable path moving forward.

"I told you so" is so petty.. but eff it. I told you so.

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tincada's picture

January 26, 2022 at 11:23 am

Duh, Why do you think they signed a 4th QB yesterday? Along with quarterbacks Kurt Benkert and Danny Etling, the Green Bay Packers signed receiver Rico Gafford to a futures deal on Tuesday. Terrified AR will leave and knowing damn well Dr. Love is not ever going to be ready for Prime time.

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Packerlifer's picture

January 31, 2022 at 07:11 am

The real problem with Aaron Rodgers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-h9R3dOR4

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