Cory's Corner: Working The Phones For Jordan Love

A lack of elite talent in this draft is the perfect reason for Brian Gutekunst to trade Jordan Love. 

The Packers are likely taking phone calls on potential trades for Jordan Love. 

And why not? The 2022 NFL Draft is nine days away and quarterback-desperate teams are even more desperate. According to Scouts Inc., Malik Willis and Kenny Pickett both have a grade of 90. Last year, Trevor Lawrence (97), Zach Wilson (93), Trey Lance (92) and Justin Fields (91) all graded out better than 90. 

And, ironically enough, Love registered a grade of 90 in the 2020 class that had Joe Burrow (94) and Tua Tagovailoa (93) ahead of him. Love was ranked as the 20th overall player that year — which is better than Willis or Pickett this year. 

This may sound crazy, but if Love was in this draft, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the first quarterback off the board. Teams love intangibles and there are so many things that he can project to do. 

Does that mean that he’s a long-term NFL starter? No. He needs to work on being a leader and being able to respond to an eroding pocket. Any quarterback can succeed when the pocket is perfect, but in the NFL, the pocket is rarely perfect for an entire quarter, let alone an entire series of downs. 

If you aren’t sure about how serious the NFL is with quarterbacks, look to the Cleveland Browns. They gave $230 million guaranteed to a quarterback that is facing 22 civil lawsuits and still doesn’t know what his NFL punishment will be. The Browns wanted to win right now and they knew what position needed to be fixed. So they put their morals on pause and signed what looks like the best franchise passer since Bernie Kosar — who was the last quarterback that led Cleveland to back-to-back playoff berths. 

The NFL Draft is the biggest stage for general managers. They are out to prove that their scouting and prep work on players matter and they know the secret sauce to get their team over the hump.

How many people thought that Mitchell Trubisky would be competing for the starting job with the Steelers this upcoming summer? He was a disaster in Chicago and obviously it didn’t help that Matt Nagy never really wanted him. 

The Atlanta Falcons make the most sense for Love. Bring him in to compete with Marcus Mariota for the starting job. Seattle wouldn’t be a bad landing spot either. The Seahawks have Drew Lock and Geno Smith, but neither of those guys has shown any serious amount of consistency. Granted, the Falcons are not going to trade the Packers uber talented tight end Kyle Pitts and Gutekunst isn’t going to want D.K. Metcalf’s impending contract, which could wind up being over $22 million a year. 

But if the Packers could get a second rounder, that would fit perfectly. Mainly because this isn’t a top-heavy draft with plenty of elite prospects. This is a draft that is filled with quality at the mid-level. The Packers could trade Love and get defensive tackle Travis Jones and wide receiver Christian Watson in the second round. 

And don’t worry about the backup quarterback, because he’s already on the roster. It’s Kurt Benkert’s time. I really like Benkert’s mobility and from what I’ve seen, the players respond to him.

It’s all setting up perfectly for Gutekunst and the Packers. Now he just has to swallow hard and make the final decision. You can say by doing that trade means that drafting Love was a mistake, but this is the best way to flip the script.  
 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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stockholder's picture

April 19, 2022 at 06:36 am

I get it. I agree with it. I just wish you wouldn't have wrote it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:32 am

Not for a two pick. Seattle could be the trade partner if players are involved.

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TheVOR's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:57 am

Why wish he hadn’t said it? Dude needs to be moved. He can make all the throws? Sure, damned be the fact that he’s inaccurate in doing so. He’s not an NFL QB and will be out of the league within 3-4 years. Get any value you can, package the dude in any trade scenario that nets a serviceable WR

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Leatherhead's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:09 pm

You're going to have to find something other than "inaccurate".

The fact is that after two seasons in the NFL, he's completed more passes at a higher percentage than Aaron Rodgers at the same point in his career.

You can dislike Love, or the selection of him, for whatever reason you want, but the "inaccurate" stuff simply isn't supported by the facts.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:30 pm

oh sure. now you're bringing logic and facts into the argument. that is totally unfair.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:54 am

STUPID. NO.

Jordan Love can make every throw, from any platform. He was the most accurate passer in all of college football in 2018, when he had all of his starters. He had the most powerful arm in his draft class 2020, more powerful than Joe Burrow. He’s had 2 years of system development under Matt LaFleur.

If your judgement of Love is colored by his 2019 season under a new HC, Gary Andersen (I should be able to stop right here), in a new system, losing 4 of his 5 starters on OL, losing all 3 of his starting WRs… ???

If your judgement is colored by Love’s first NFL start, where his own HC, Matt LaFleur admitted to have done a horrible job of play calling, dialing up the AR pass, pass, pass plan vs. the NFL’s worst run D…? Failing to make any in-game protection adjustments on his OL…???

Neither of those situations are fair, and neither are representative of Love’s true abilities. His 2018 tape is something you need to go and look at right now. While you’re at it, look at his stats, and compare them to Aaron Rodgers’ best season’s stats at Cal.

Wow.

We traded up for Love because he was the perfect fit to run LaFleur’s offense. Trade him now, and we’re in a really bad place needing, again, to add the successor with a top pick. Or, rather, TOP PICKS, PLURAL.

NO.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:19 am

Thank you for saying that. Trading Love would be stupid. I doubt like hell that the 1265 Braintrust has any interest.

If Rodgers gets injured...always a possibility on a 39 year old man......then Love becomes our most important player. He's had two years in the system, so let's replace him with a guy who has zero years in the system. Stupid. This is stupid.

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murf7777's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:52 am

GG….I agree, trading Love is just stupid.

Many of us don’t realize this, but few would’ve traded a 1st for Brett Favre except our own GM named Wolf. Wolf loved Favre and was upset he missed him as the GM of the Jets the prior year. All Favre did during his rookie year at the Atlanta Falcons was throw 4 passes with 2 INT’s. He was over weight, drank and partied a lot, came to meetings late and was out of favor with their HC who begged his GM to get rid of him.

What made Wolf love Favre? His big arm was reason number 1. Certainly, it wasn’t his 50% college completion rate. I’m sure Wolf had other reasons and I won’t try to elaborate on his thoughts.

I wonder if Atlanta regrets trading Favre for a 1st round draft pick…..LOL

From what I understand Rodgers new deal is year to year, meaning he could be traded after this year. Unless, the FO and HC feel strongly Love doesn’t have “it”, then you keep him and continue to develop his abilities.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:06 am

Do the Packers regret not trading Rodgers and sticking with Favre?

I don't think so. And Rodgers is essentially year to year at this point. Love could easily be the starter by this time next year.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:04 am

SO true. THAT's what we should be planning for. Surround the kid with the best talent we can find. Let Rodgers drive that car for a year. If he lands in the Winner's Circle, maybe he drives it another year...

Regardless, the plan for succession was solid the day they traded a measly R4 to jump up to Pick # 26 and take Love in 2020, the Franchise QB they dreamed of adding if at all possible. They targeted him before that draft. His falling within range that day had the Packers Personnel Dept. doing cartwheels.

Stick with the plan.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:16 am

And that's why I'm so all-in on assembling the best group of offensive players I can. Let's put the strongest offense we can on the field, for Rodgers this year and whoever next year. We can win with offense controlling the clock and scoring points. We return everybody from last year's very good defense, and we can probably pick up some depth in FA or roster cutdowns.

Get 8 picks in the Top 140. 3WRs, 2 OL, 2 TEs, 1 RB. Load up the offensive roster. We lost 5 guys from last year's offense.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:27 am

This draft is all about the offensive side of the ball and toss in a CB with the third for the dime spot. Some of the Competition have loaded up on draft picks and the Gutedkunst's choices have to hit home. Not much room for error.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 19, 2022 at 01:34 pm

To amplify on that, we draft our #1 WR, who I think should be Burks. We trade down #28 to get an extra second and third, which gives us 8 picks in the Top 140.

On the second day, we have 5 picks, and we could get two blue chip Oline guys, another WR, a top TE, and a top RB.(I like Spiller at #59) Add these guys to our existing gameday roster.

And we still have Day 3. But if you added, for example, Burks, Pickett, Ruckert, Spiller, Salyer and Tyler Smith to our existing gameday roster, you end up with something that looks like this:

QB: Rodgers, Love, 2 active.
RB: Jones, Dillon, Spiller, Taylor 3 active.
WR: Burks, Lazard, Cobb, Watkins, Pickett, Amari, 5 active.
TE: Lewis, DeGuara, Ruckert....eventually Tonyan. 3 active.
OL; Bakhtiari, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Nijman, Salyer, Smith, Hanson, ???? Eventually Jenkins. 8 active.

That's what our gameday offensive roster looks like. I'll take this group of 21 any day of the week. I think a decent coach with a decent defense can win games with this group.

We can assemble a really powerful offensive roster with this draft that we can win with now and in the future. I'm all in.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 02:14 pm

Try this beauty on for size...

22 OT Tyler Smith
28 OT/OG Derrick Kinnard
53 WR Velus Jones
59 LB Troy Andersen
93 DT Perrion Winfrey
132 WR Erik Ezukanma
140 WR Bo Melton
171 EDGE Alex Wright
228 S Markquese Bell
249 NT Noah Elliss
258 OG Jason Poe

It's a Masterpiece, if Gutekunst could pull that off.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:28 pm

For the Vikings....

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:06 pm

Uh-uh-uhhhh!

You’re not digging Bo Melton, are you? Hating how high I’m willing to take the next Tyreke Hill? Completely underwhelmed by EZ???

I think you might be surprised by all three if you dig deeper.

Can you imagine being a Top WR, and your QB not being up to the task with any consistency?

How else does a WR rank #19 amongst Power 5 WRs over a 2 year span in deep receptions, yet #2 in uncatchable targets? From 2017-2019, no Power 5 WR ranked higher in uncatchable targets. That was one awful QB Melton had at Rutgers.

His separation in the 86th percentile. Great route running and understanding. Speedy. Shifty. 4.34… Double digits in broken tackles the last two years.

+ SPEED. + QUICKS. EXPLOSIVE. ROUTES. SEPARATION. TOUGH. YAC.

Ranks #5 overall in After Catch Production.

Is that not what is required in LaFleur’s system? He can literally do it all, including taking the top off a defense.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 20, 2022 at 04:03 pm

Cap analysts I've read say the Pack can only afford to sign 8 players.
Which makes it time to trade UP.
They likely have to jettison 3 picks and it would make sense to get rid of the pair of 4ths and move up from both picks in the 1st to get truly elite talent at 2 positions (I say try to get the best WR and EDGE you can for those picks). Then maybe trade a 7th by packaging it with the 5th to move up at least a few slots from there if they have someone they like.

They aren't going to draft 11 rooks, much less 13.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:50 pm

There are all sorts of speculative opinions on the wide world of web. If there is a trade up it would probably be for Wilson, Olave or Burks. No one can really read the minds of the QB needy teams. This is where the Love trade talk starts from. Some excess picks can be used on a player from another team via trade, etc. If they hit the #22 guy, all is well. Then #28 can be a move down into the second, but it has to be into the upper 30s, or they miss on
the other top wides. The more we hallucinate and run these simulations the more I would hang with the One Picks and keep the 5 year options. I would mine the first five and keep the fours w/out worry to fill the depth chart. If they are better players they replace the current salaries.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 20, 2022 at 02:46 am

Players drafted after round 4 won't cost anything.
Only 1st cost a fair amount. $2.8M for 22nd pick.
Just $1.15M for pick 59.
$971K and $905K for the 3rd and 4th rounders.

So, whoever wrote that the Packers can only afford to sign 8 draft picks (assuming you've have represented what they wrote accurately) is someone you should never read again.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 20, 2022 at 04:08 pm

It was a fan site that had the entire signed roster's dollar value indicated. Reliable writer who never gets anything wrong.
He said that there is no possible way the Pack can afford to sign more than 8 Rooks and thus will have to move picks.
Which I support anyway, as we are in a rare position to add a pair of elite talents at a pair of positions by improving each of our firsts by 5 or more slots.
We've been in cap heck for years. The budget is tight. I know this writer is correct (and may even have been quoting someone legit from the MSM).

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:48 pm

I really would hope Lewis retires. Kolar and Krull are bad boys that play Inline and can work the zones. I loved Marcedes coming out of UCLA and he put the JAGs into the playoffs with a big performance, but his route running skills are on the wane. We will see his level of desire as Camp is in session and he fight s off competition for a spot.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 02:07 pm

LH i wouldnt even go that heavy on offense. That defense is 1 or 2 players away from being dominant. Not just good, but absolutely suffocating. The kind of defense nobody wants to play, especially not in Lambeau in December or January. With 5 picks in rounds 2-4, theres still more than enough ammo to get the offense what it needs to improve. If I'm Gutekunst, I'm targeting defense with both 1st round picks and maybe a 2nd rounder too unless theres just not any defensive players left near the top of their board when drafting at those picks. I would even consider trading up for a guy like Jermaine Johnson if he falls out of the top 10 as some are predicting. The offensive talent in this draft is plentiful. The defensive talent is top heavy. Get those defensive guys early.

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murf7777's picture

April 19, 2022 at 02:45 pm

I agree about the D...as they say D wins championships..

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Leatherhead's picture

April 19, 2022 at 05:05 pm

And yet, we just lost a playoff game where the defense didn't give up a TD.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 06:53 pm

Seems silly when you think about it that way, but I think jimmy g playing through shit weather with a badly sprained throwing shoulder (which he just had to have surgically repaired) and a torn ligament in his throwing hand had plenty to do with how the defense looked that game. The defense definitely took a step forward last year but it still wasnt elite after fading down the stretch. Theyre 1 or 2 good-to-great players away from really becoming elite imo. They will most likely have an opportunity to add those 2 guys. It just comes down to what they value more. My money is on them drafting some combination of pass rusher, olineman, or secondary player with their 2 1st round picks. David Ojabo and Daxton Hill in the 1st and Christian Harris in the 2nd sounds real nice to me.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:38 pm

This might be one way to roll that...

22 CB Andrew Booth Jr.
28 S Lewis Cine
53 WR Velus Jones
59 LB Troy Andersen
93 TE Jelani Woods
132 OT Braxton Jones
140 OT Thayer Munford
171 EDGE Alex Wright
228 WR Bo Melton
249 EDGE Ali Fayad
258 WR Deven Thompkins

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NickPerry's picture

April 20, 2022 at 06:58 am

"Regardless, the plan for succession was solid the day they traded a measly R4 to jump up to Pick # 26 and take Love in 2020"

Thank you!!! My God, people make SO much out of the "Extra Pick" the Packers gave up when they drafted Love and you've described it perfectly... A MEASLY 4th rounder. Some people make it sound as if they gave up Hershel Walker type value.

It was a 4th rounder folks!!

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blondy45's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:45 pm

I do not know what Cory is thinking! STUPID! The Pack has the best QB situation in the NFL right now. You don't trade a developing QB who is the back-up to a 39-year-old deva, who may be gone next year. So, Cory, Ross Uglem, & some other Love haters on this site think getting a 2nd round pick is what the Pack needs to do? STUPID! Love would be the top QB selected this year based on his numbers coming out 3 years ago. We shall all see the QB needy teams tripping over themselves to more than likely draft 2-4 QB's this year in the first round! Already teams have mortgaged their future prior to the draft for vet QB's that their old teams grew tired of. I do not want to be in that position. Some fans think we are screwed at the WR position this year. No, we will find what we need come September. The WR position is always more easily fixed than the QB position. Maybe Cory overheard Rodgers requesting Gute to trade Love for a player he wants? STUPID, STUPID.STUPID! Stay away from training camp Aaron, you do not need to mesh with your teammates. The more Love gets reps, the much better the Pack will be. Gute, do not pay any attention to that man behind the wizard of OZ curtain. He does not have control, you do! In Gute I trust.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:36 am

Yeah, murf.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers traded Rodgers in a blockbuster deal on draft day with terms to be finalized after June 1.

All the Giants have done this last year is stockpile draft picks... and, this is one of the weakest draft classes for QB in decades. Not one of them are legit R1 prospects, but, as everyone can imagine, of course, there might be 4 taken Day 1.

#5, 7, 36, 67, 81, 112, 147, 173 and 182. They were the #2 team projected 11 months ago as the most likely trade destination behind DEN, during all that hubbub.

I just can't believe ANYONE could watch Jordan Love's highlights from 2018, compare his 2018 stats to Aaron Rodgers best year at Cal, and not walk away completely impressed and excited to have him in GB. The guy has taken so much crap from "fans." It boggles the mind. The kid, 22 years old, is entering Year 3 with this team.

Other teams would drool at such good fortune at QB.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:32 am

You hit the nail on the head GG. If I was Jordan Love, I wouldnt even want to be in GB with the way most fans have treated him. Its disgusting tbh. With the daily hate slung in his direction, you would think he was the one held out all summer, demanded more control over the team, had a press conference to trash his own bosses for 30 minutes straight, and held the team hostage for a salary cap destroying contract while saying it isnt about the money. Oh wait, that was the other guy. But the fans still love that guy for reasons i cant fathom.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:41 am

I do think Love is smart enough that anyone coming in following a legend is going to take unwarranted heat, big time, including the over the top idiot garbage.

Same happened to Aaron Rodgers. I'm sure Rodgers has shared that with him. Love's bright enough, and confident enough to let it roll off his back. I'm sure of it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:28 pm

Love has handled bigger Life Events than being heckled by barflies.

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davekenya's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:30 pm

What else that's been interesting is reporting that last spring/into summer when AR was 'out' and Love was running the show, he exhibited leadership and decision making in running the team. It was reported that when AR came back, that Love seemed to 'defer' all things to AR (I mean, really, how could you not defer to a reigning MVP and a guy who knows the offensive inside/out).

All this to mean, there may be a bit more of 'it' laying dormant waiting to come out when Love knows it's his team. Until then, he's the understudy and to not rock the boat or anything, is likely playing that role.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 02:10 pm

I have no doubt he has the maturity to handle it. All I'm saying is, if I was him, I simply wouldnt want to deal with all that. I would want to be somewhere I am wanted. Look at Bears fans. Justin Fields has done next to nothing and yet historically prickly Bears fans are united in their love and support for him. Jordan Love deserves that. I wish Packer fans would give that to him.

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Rebecca's picture

April 19, 2022 at 05:45 pm

Why are you so sure of it? You sound creepy. Yuck

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:22 pm

Because i have a profound belief in this organization's ability to develop quarterbacks. Many forget, they didnt just develop Rodgers and Favre. They developed Brunell, Hasselbeck, and Aaron Brooks. All 3 were pro bowlers and hasselbeck even started a super bowl. None of them had even a sliver of the natural ability Love has. If having confidence that the organization that has brought us 30 years of excellence is creepy to you, that sounds like a you problem not a me problem.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:14 am

Thumbs up, G&G! It is good to read you love Love, even with those 32 1/2 inch arms :-))

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Rebecca's picture

April 19, 2022 at 05:54 pm

Jeez you’re a diva. This is the Packers not the giants. Comparing college players in different conferences, and different competition from defenses, and in a different football eras? Not worth much. Wouldn’t bet on any of your info or opinion. You had Rodgers playing for December this time last year. Love hasn’t taken any crap. He just has not done much to get the fans excited at least Justin Fields looks alive out there. Love still looked like he was still thinking to hard. He might be an ok qb but he’s no exciting, tough as nails baller like Favre was and Rodgers is. Jordan Love is a nice guy and I hope he wins a Super Bowl. Trade his ass.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:24 pm

I bet you were one of those fans that hated Rodgers too out of loyalty to Favre. And when Rodgers became awesome, you were first in line for his jersey. You'll be first in line for Love's jersey soon enough.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:53 am

We watched Favre upset Florida State on national television and the 4th quarter win over Alabama. The trade was brilliant. Mana from Heaven and we partied the day through. Thanks Jerry.

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mnbadger's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:28 pm

there's information and eye test material to support both sides of this debate. Like all personnel moves, we have our own individual biases.
Only history will corrrectly answer "what was the right thing to do?"
For now, I'd take another 2nd rounder to add a real good player to this year's roster and roll with Benkert as QB2.
IMO we've already got way too many resources tied up in the QB position. GPG!

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:24 pm

Jesus, is the premise of the article ever stupid. I guess it's stupid season.

Unless you don't believe in the GM or the scouting department, trading Love is absolutely ridiculous.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 06:52 am

I'm in favor, and I'd add that I'd seriously consider picking a QB with that second rounder. That sounds ridiculous, but if someone like Ridder was available, you're getting a more Rodgers-like player than Love, skill wise, to learn from AR, and to be available for four years.
It makes the original pick of Love look worse, but with a couple of 13 win seasons, his selection wasn't very negatively impactful.
However, I would like to see Love for a FIRST round pick, if this situation really exists. If he's better than this year's crop, why settle for a second-rounder?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:28 am

PEO,
In agreement should he in fact be traded and if better than QB's projected as 1st rounders in 2022 why would you take anything less than a 1st rounder in return? People are so desperate to get rid of Love. Don't understand!

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Coldworld's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:35 am

Even if we traded him for a first, we still have to replace him. We aren’t going to be able to afford a vet and there’s no QB in this draft I consider a better bet. There must be some serious Benkert fans out there or people who forget the fun we had with no back up in the late teens.

Love is statistically better than Rodgers at the same point in his Packers career. We are in a win it all year and suddenly we all think Rodgers is invulnerable? Love remains mostly an unknown but he’s a whole lot better than we are likely to get and there’s a good chance out back up sees the field.

There is also no guarantee that Rodgers is back next year. While that’s looking like a much better year for QBs, we will need competition. Love will ideally be part of that. Giving that up comes at a cost.

I’d trade him only if we get an offer so good that it allows us to markedly change the roster this year to an extent that outweighs the downgrade to his replacement if needed. That’s going to be a pretty good offer indeed. If there is a desperate team, they will come to us. Moreover, the greatest desperation may come in summer if a team loses someone to injury. Even from a timing perspective this may not be the best time. Gute can sit back and see if a team reaches out with an offer so good he has to take it. Never say never but don’t cut your nose off to spite your face either.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:13 am

If they moved him, the FO could be looking best case /worse case with Rodgers. If he goes down , they will have better draft position in 2023. They could take the picks garnered for Love and turn them in during this year's draft.
The only way it makes any sense is if Love gave them a trade ultimatum or preference.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:30 am

You need to change your handle to PackEyedPessimist.

6 Quarters of NFL football where Love outplayed Mahomes and was more productive than Rodgers vs Detroit...actually leading the team to a lead the D could not hold. Meanwhile, Rodgers foreshadowed his playoff production vs Detroit...IE anemic.

Rodgers sucked his first 3 years as Clements worked to fix his goofy Teford side arm passing. Love has an NFL arm and is a smart young man.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:47 am

Agree completely. The last season, and the one before, with all the COVID garbage and poor play calling by LaFleur, really didn't give us fans a representative sample of Love's true value to this Packers team.

Jordan Love is only 22 years old, in Year 3. Remarkable good fortune just to have the kid.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:29 am

I'm for keeping Love but the argument that he outplayed Mahomes isn't part of the equation. They both played poorly so what's the point? To try to say that Love has Mahomes potential? The chance that Love is ever going to be as good as Mahomes is about the same as me starting at WR for the Packers this year. Not saying I was great, but I was decent, 50 years ago.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:26 am

The point is simple...using the data on Love after 6 quarters of NFL regular season football to call him a failure and a bust can be applied to Mahomes too...with just a few quarters of data. That would be silly because Mahomes has provided a huge data set of great QB play. The same data Love created in college. He simply need to play more NFL snaps.

I did not say Love has Mahomes potential. You and I simply do not know at this point. At this point in Rodgers career, did you say he had Favre potential?

Let the silly season play out asap.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:23 am

Double post.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:35 am

I like Love just fine; I always compare him to Dak Prescott.

The reason I'm good with a trade is I believe Rodgers will be the QB for two to three years, meaning Love's rookie contract may be done while we still have Rodgers. If I'm pessimistic, it's about the cost of re-signing Love. What I'd really like to do, is trade Love for a first round pick next year, so we have the ability to trade up for a better rookie than this year's crop offers.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:10 am

Eh. Nothing against you at all, and I always appreciate hearing people's reasonings behind what they would like to see happen. We're all fans, just tossing around our best guesses.

I mean, if a Brinks Truck load of Picks rolls up like it did in Dallas for Hershel Walker...

To me, nothing less will do.

I've never thought you to be pessimistic PEO. Appreciate all your takes here, even if they differ from my own. Those can be really good checks too, taking in all the other perspectives.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 01:17 pm

Thanks.
I'm not sure what BG and MLF really think of Love at this point. I think he can be a winning QB, but are they REALLY completely happy with his growth? Possibly. BG's "He's not ready" comment late last year was a bit eye-widening for me. There was no real upside to BG saying that.

One reason I've liked the idea of picking up a different backup rookie is that I'd like to give Rodgers' successor at least a year to study beneath him, and I'm just not confident that we'll have the cap/cash to sign Love after his current contract runs out. Rookie deal QBs are a huge advantage, and for a cap-Hell team like the Packers, possibly a necessity.

I wasn't a fan of the original Love draft pick, but I was okay with it, since Rodgers had seemed to be fighting the MLF system. But Rodgers came around...somewhat...after Love's selection. I'm just curious to see what BG/MLF do. I'll be fine either way.

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Coldworld's picture

April 19, 2022 at 01:31 pm

Rodgers is here this year. Next year he may not be and maybe it’s Love leading the team.

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greengold's picture

April 20, 2022 at 05:23 am

PEO, I never saw Rodgers coming around. I think he was more gentlemanly in his treatment of Love after he was picked, but, I can’t say I’ve seen him really buy into LaFleur’s “system.”

Quite Frankly, I’m left wondering how much LaFleur bought into Rodgers’ “system.” …??? So much so that I can’t really say what LaFleur’s system actually is at this point.

All I know is what we’ve been told about the LaFleur system. There’s been a gross lack of players to employ it. That’s for sure.

I find the “illusion of complexity,” elusive.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:40 am

OK, I apologize...you are an optimist after all if you believe Rodgers will play for 3 more years. I am of the opinion the odds of him retiring after this season are greater than 50/50. He seriously considered it last year and again this offseason. And, should the Pack win a SB this season, I am convinced he would retire.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 01:08 pm

I've wondered also, what the "complicated feller" will do. I think he might retire if they win a Super Bowl...but he might not. He might retire if they have another close miss...or he might not. I have plenty of logical reasons for all four of those outcomes. :-D

I personally think he'll keep playing for the Packers for at least two years to get some more records while hoping for a Super Bowl win.
Will he?
Too complicated to know. :-D

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croatpackfan's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:19 pm

I hope you know that "feller" in German means "mistake".

And Diva looked like "complicated fella", but he is not any more. He is very simple big egoist!

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Coldworld's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:00 pm

How this season plays out will likely have a major effect on what all sides feel about the future.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:24 am

So you want to trade Love just to draft a lesser talent qb? Where do you people come up with this? Show me where Jordan Love hurt you.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:36 am

I'd prefer to trade him for a 2023 first round pick.
I like Love, but we may not be able to resign him.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 06:58 pm

Thats a risk theyre going to have to take because if they trade him now and he breaks out, it will have been a gigantic mistake because his value will absolutely skyrocket and whoever traded for him will have done so for pennies on the dollar. Far worse than keeping him and ending up with a sunken cost of a late 1st and 4th rounder.

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egbertsouse's picture

April 19, 2022 at 06:52 am

The first QB off the board? Not with the tape that is out there. And now there are rumors emanating from GB that he lacks leadership qualities. Maybe a 5th round flyer.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:00 am

I disagree ("rumors?" Really?). Love's NFL tape is fine. He had a rough game against KC, who had a great defense, when he had only ONE practice to prepare.
Against Detroit, a BUNCH of the starters didn't play.
He has had to sit behind the NFL's MVP of the last two years, whose Prima Donna behavior has forced him to look subservient.
I see a Dak Prescott level player, who absolutely can win with the right cast around him.
I just think his contract is going to run out before he gets to play, and he could have high value this year, as was pointed out. I'd want a first round pick or a high second or I wouldn't pull the trigger on the trade.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:19 am

No less than a first with a two and a four from 2023 if they went in that direction. He has a couple of years under his belt and given his limited playing time has shown he is no Christian Ponder. If I was a team looking for a new QB, Love would fit the mold .

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:09 am

Egbert, I think you are referring to #12, no?

"rumors emanating from GB that he lacks leadership qualities"

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:01 am

Huh?...what?...I ain't taken the bait CJJ (well, not so hard like a large mouth Bass on opening day anyways).

I am going to turn my hearing aids way down and not let any noise distract me today. Hell, I might even take the suckers out.

I will add before I go to my next photo shoot (I model men's pj's and underwear as a side hustle). Love could, COULD prove as valuable as a good WR taken in the draft... especially if 12 goes down with an injury. He could just be so good, that when people say Jordan...you aren't sure if they are referring to Michael or Love.

Some say I am a dreamer...you damn right I am! Now, go and take a big cHoMp out of the day!

Go, go, gooo...

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:10 am

:-D

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:13 am

Some say I'm a dreamer, and I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE. :D

GO P-E-O Go!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:30 am

LOL!

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:12 am

Moving Love makes a ton of sense IF, and only if, the price is right.

GB has a 1st and a 4th and 2 years of NFL developmental exposure invested in Love. recoup that or sit tight.

A 1st below #25 this year and a second next year oughta do it, or some combination of value equal to that. Possibly a little more due to the premiumization of the QB position.

I like Love, I would hate to see him go. But the draft pool and the GB roster/salary cap situation scream "time to move on!"

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Guam's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:56 am

Exactly JB27! Next season the Packers will have a 38/39 year old QB1 who could go down with an injury at any time. But Cory wants to trade his backup for a second round draft choice and give the reins to a practice squader. No thanks. Keep Love unless some team is willing to more than adequately compensate the Packers for their investment.

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dobber's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:08 am

I come back to the point that the option bonus structure of 12's contract makes him more retireable/tradeable than people think. There's a lot of bonus money in that deal that travels with the contract, is flexibly paid out, and doesn't accrue immediately.

This story ain't done...we're going to be living it from January to March for at least the next year or two.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:58 am

Let's look at it another way.

Is this team being assembled to give the Packers it's best chance to win a Super Bowl? I believe they tried their best to do so last season, and they are trying again this season, with some deficiencies at WR and OL that need shoring up via draft and roster cuts.

Should the 39 year old starter go down to injury, we have a very capable backup right behind him, in Year 3 of LaFleur's system, about as ready as he'll ever be to take over.

Under normal circumstances, we all would see an injury to Rodgers meaning the certain end of our SB hopes. Not now though.

IF, Kylin Hill returns from his injury healthy, full-go, we would have one very serious 3 headed rushing assault to employ, to take the heat off of Love and our passing game... Kylin Hill was heavily regarded as the best RB in the SEC the year Clyde Edwards-Helaire was drafted R1 by KC. They went on to win the SB with him.

Let's say we draft a player like Olave or Burks at 22, OT Tyler Smith at 28 then take the best RB available to us in the draft, whether that be Tyler Badie, Hassan Haskins, Breece Hall or Pierre Strong R2...??? Add another WR R2 and then an OG R3 or early R4? OL is insanely deep this draft.

Hmm. Gear to run all over the NFL... whether Rodgers likes it or not? Preparing for the FUTURE, which is LOVE?

Going run heavy as a focus this season would actually help Rodgers get a ring, or two, should he stick around to see that through.

Drafting with a run heavy focus would help both Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love, should Rodgers get knocked out of a game, and that focused infusion of talent would be around for years. I've been wanting the Packers to RUN THE ROCK in a dedicated manner since Mike Holmgren with Dorsey Levens & Edgar Bennett...

Still wear my Bennett #34 jersey. Proudly.

This team is pretty well stacked, and so is this draft where we need some players. The playoffs, in my eyes, seem perfectly realistic in this scenario. And then, anything can happen.

We're in that "anything can happen," kind of trajectory now anyways, because the Super Bowl Championship Team people want on paper this year ain't happenin'... No team wins it all in April anyway. BUT, I think we're close enough where we can reach the playoffs and compete, whether it's Rodgers or Love at QB.

22 WR Treylon Burks
28 OT Tyler Smith
53 RB Breece Hall
59 LB Troy Andersen
93 WR Alec Pierce
132 EDGE Joshua Paschal
140 S Kerby Joseph
171 TE/H Chig Okonkwo
228 OT Cordell Volson
249 OT Spencer Burford
258 WR Darren Thompkins*

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:01 pm

Lately, every mock has Pierce going around #33-43. I still prefer him over Watson for the WCO along with Olave. It should be a Walsh draft and get three WRs in any case. Haskins is a Levens type and they Need a Fullback to make the engine turn.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:05 pm

I like Pierce quite a lot. We'll see if they can snap him up. I do use a number of mocks to get a read on where players might be available... top 100s etc, and the moment I put that up, being an older one I put together, saw him there and questioned it immediately...

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:25 pm

It was even difficult to move down from #22 to garner picks from the #30s-40. I was getting Devin lloyd quite a bit @ #22, as the top five were gone. If they want one of them the brain trust will have to move up in front of #18.

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greengold's picture

April 20, 2022 at 04:56 am

Most recent cbssports 7 round has Pierce going to GB at 92. The Sporting News has him being taken at 105. That was yesterday. I like him over Watson too, for a number of reasons, but they’re both close, and I do believe both belong in this area of the draft - closer to their rankings in Top 100-300s. Athlon’s. Ourlads. TSN. All 3 time tested resources.

How much weight do we put on mocks? All mocks are wrong after all. Mere guesses. I like checking them, as many as are available, add in the overall player rankings from the 3 above, and that kind of tells me range for players.

Guessing where players might be available, I always like factoring in a +/- range the deeper we get into drafts as well. I think early on, after the Top 20-25 picks of any draft, you can throw a +/- of 5 slots for any player. Day 2, I always consider +/- 10. Day 3, +/- 10-20…

R6-7 may seem throw away to some, but real gems can be and often are found in those rounds. I like seeing Gutekunst win this section of the draft as much as the early round sections. R4-5 I consider a section. Not sure why, but I have for decades. Maybe because slotting still a thing there before everybody starts slipping on banana peels.

Doesn’t mean much if you get really married to a player, because position runs do happen. All kinds of crazy, out of nowhere choices get made R1-R7. The player you love and have been counting on being there R3? POOF! Gone at #27 overall. A lot of that stuff every year.

I love seeing teams reach in the moment for popular but, lesser talents, allowing a favorite, much needed player fall closer to us.

Worst, is when your draft crush just fell to GB, and they take Demarious Randall, Kevin King… Khyri Thornton… Datone Jones…

Bigger point, know the position group, not just the player. Knowing alternative players as a plan B, C, D helps. There might faster WRs than your own personal crush with better ball skills, hands, blah, blah.

And, even then… half of us are like, “Please, please, please take _____________!!!”

— Deep Draft Thoughts, by Jack Tandy

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 20, 2022 at 04:54 am

"Worst, is when your draft crush just fell to GB, and they take Demarious Randall, Kevin King… Khyri Thornton… Datone Jones…"

I thought I would get some push back when I wrote that I have to summon what maturity I have when GB drafts Josh Myers and one pick later my crush at the exact same position is drafted by someone else - Creed H.

Oh well, they took Gary instead of Burns or really Simmons or Dexter Lawrence, and that worked out well. Burns or Lawrence would have also worked pretty well, but Gary has a real chance to be something special.

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greengold's picture

April 20, 2022 at 05:02 am

Right??? I wanted Creed Humphrey too!

Summoning maturity as a self protection mechanism… hmmm. Thanks, TGR!!! I’ll give that ay whirl this year.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 20, 2022 at 05:19 am

Man, that was painful last year. I was on here thumping on the table for Humphrey for months, I considered him for the FIRST round pick--then they took Myers. :-(
I wanted Burns and didn't like Gary, but I think that has been a wash, though Gary has actually become the kind of edge I prefer over Burns.

I was pained by all the others you mentioned as well. #draftPTSD

:-D

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 20, 2022 at 05:22 am

Good post.
"Bigger point, know the position group, not just the player. Knowing alternative players as a plan B, C, D helps. There might faster WRs than your own personal crush with better ball skills, hands, blah, blah."
That's what I keep saying about this year's WR class, for instance, I strongly believe Khalil Shakir will have a much better career that Alec Pierce.

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:00 pm

You missed the Ahman Green years? Holmgren drove me nuts in 1998. Levens would be having a good game and Holmgren would totally go away from in the 3rd quarter to try the "mad scientist" offensive Guru stuff before getting back to Levens when the chips were down.

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greengold's picture

April 20, 2022 at 05:07 am

I met Ahman. Came in to visit my painting studio with another dear friend maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Great guy.

Sherman didn’t know what the hell he was doing with Ahman Green. Maybe Favre checked out of run plays like Rodgers does now. All I know is we left Super Bowls on the table because we didn’t run Ahman Green more.

Good call, LLCHESTY!

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murf7777's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:07 am

JB, the question is how much is enough? Does Atlanta regret trading Favre to us for a 1st? Would they still regret if it was two 1st? The answer is obvious. Now, more than ever the QB is the most important position in all of sports. Unless, they are totally not sold on Love you keep him till proven otherwise.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:53 am

Good points Murph, however let's look at this a different way.

Lets look at what is taken away and not at what might be, look at the present and not into the future.

Jordan Love is a young QB who needed seasoning when he was drafted. He has had SOME of that seasoning and has NOT shown to be ready to have the reins full time right now, although he has shown progress in his needed seasoning despite some circumstances beyond his control. (IMO).

The present Jordan Love could be moved for an appropriate amount of compensation given the investment already made in him (as stated in my previous post) IF the team is OK with his future PERHAPS becoming significantly better than present circumstances might indicate (like Favre in Atl).

IF the GBP have more faith in Loves development into an asset worth more than what they have currently invested in him, no matter the location that development occurs in, you do not move him UNLESS for a significant compensation package (doubtful to get any takers without some more proven NFL level successes) and you commit to a developmental timeline that allows him to become a player for your franchise given the salary cap and his current contract.

IF you are willing to take a compensation package equal to what is invested at this point, you cannot look into the future and say shoulda-coulda-woulda. You make the decision and move forward. The moving forward would involve investing in another young, coachable QB to be groomed for the future and you ride that horse until it pays off or busts out.

Welcome to the NFL. Players come and players go.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 19, 2022 at 01:23 pm

I agree with everything you said here.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:19 pm

Why do so many get the equation wrong on draft trades?

When you trade 2 picks for 1, you still get ONE BACK.

Since 1sts are basically closer to equal than all other pick evals, you've only invested ONE PICK in that player. It was the 4th that was given up as the two firsts cancel each other out essentially.
The 2 years of development are key, but then he has to go to a system similar to our own and he loses value on the rest of the market (and we better hope not to face him in the playoffs down the road).

So, expecting 2 picks back for him is ludicrous.

He's more valuable than any draft eligible QB, and he's more valuable than his original slot, so we should expect only to get a 1st round draft pick this year that is better than his original slot.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 20, 2022 at 02:55 am

Spent a first and a fourth on Love. Sounds like two picks to me.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 20, 2022 at 03:54 pm

It's called the transitive property of math and all national draft analysts use it properly.

When you get one back it cancels out one of the ones you sent out (the nearest, being of CLOSE to the same value).

Thus the REAL (think of it like eFG% in basketball) adjusted loss is only one pick.

You are giving up ONE pick in order to get a HIGHER slot, but you are not giving up two picks in total to get none.

The net loss is and will always be ONE pick.

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Packers0808's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:10 am

Weird as it may sound but in reality there are good straight up arguments for both of these routes for Love and the Packers. Neutral here on my part, great cop out huh? Either makes plenty of sense.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:18 am

Not at all Packers0808...the needle doesn't have to be all the way to the left or to the right. Being neutral is sound judgement in my opinion as well. I

Neutral = Swiss cheese.

With the right compensation for Love, I get it...I just actually want him to have a chance to prove himself a worthy starter or not. Hopefully with GB, if the coaches know he has a real chance to succeed post- Rodgers.

Okay, pulling the hearing aids out, again!

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:56 am

so a positive needle is cheddar and negative is limburger?

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:01 am

Oh come on J-Blood! Cheez Whiz, get with the program! :D

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:19 am

you, sir - need more sophistication in your cheese worldview

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:51 am

Spray Cheese is my jam, man...

Who needs crackers? Just spray it straight into your head.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 05:19 pm

ears?
eyes?
nose?

You, Sir... are one sick puppy.

We need to party!

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 06:28 pm

"straight into your head" made me laugh so hard I had two snot rods dangling like a drunk elves lil legs...

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:52 am

Well, my slice of cheese slid off the cracker a looong time ago. :D

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Packers0808's picture

April 19, 2022 at 01:27 pm

Positive is All American.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:42 pm

It is the Business of Sports, not Pee Wees.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:25 am

I mean seriously? When does this non-sense stop?

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:57 am

When we win it all, Knock the Snot...when we win the whole enchilada! My dream is, Rodgers and the team are up at the end of the 3rd quarter. Rodgers has to come out for a minor technical issue with his audio (helmet). Love comes in, see-saw lead changes and wins it on a back shoulder fade to Cobb as time expires (an audible from Love at the line of scrimmage). The team and fans are in total jubilation!!! All parties are happy. Hell yeah!

Oh, and the MVP of the Superbowl is Rodgers and Love. Co-MVPs baby!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:21 am

Lol

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:25 am

Style Points Awarded for levity. Chef's kiss.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:53 am

It's you GG...I was looking for Big 66! I like the new image though...both kinda scare the hell out of me...but both powerful Leaders. One by example on the field, the other, on the sidelines.

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:33 am

Yeah, my friend, Scott made it when he started PackerPalace.com back in the day... I changed to this in his honor the other day, when a discussion made me think of him.

Damn, if you knew him, is was a superstar. Taken off this Earth way too young by the C. I'll never forget the fun stuff he built out for Packers fans across the world every week during the SB XXXI era. OMG. The guy was a riot, and a brilliant creative who worked at SONY MUSIC.

The weekly animations for our next opponent? STELLAR. Can't get the one with Zeppelin's Moby Dick starts playing as Vince Lombardi comes flying in on a chopper to save the day...

Wow. Top shelf works... Anyhow, he built that image of Lombardi with the leatherhead...

I've got another he did laying around here somewhere of Ted Nugent with Vince Lombardi's face, and a G on his guitar strap. Genius stuff.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:55 am

His energy is still out and about on this spinning orb. So cool that you respect him as much as you do...

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:01 am

I thought I was optimistic... Lol...

(LOVE it though.)

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:57 am

Stay B-Dog, stay! :D

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 06:54 pm

I'm digging you Pantz!

I'd go on to add....

And as a result it is a transformational moment for Love pushing Rodgers out for a trade with draft choices in return as Love goes on for a very successful 15+ year career with the Pack afterwards.

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dobber's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:31 am

Apparently by opening CHTV this morning I time-warped back to about March 9.

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Coldworld's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:44 am

It was daft then. Some things don’t improve with age.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:32 am

I mean seriously? When does this non-sense stop? If traded they had best make the most out of it and get sufficient value in return and to me at least a 1st rounder in 2022.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:23 am

The thing I keep coming back to is:

Love is (IMO) better than any QB coming out this year. So if the Panthers, Texans, Falcons, Seahawks, Steelers, Saints, or Lions feel they have to take a QB in the 1st round this year, why not trade that pick you would use on a QB for Love?

Every QB needy team has a guy that can suit up this year and play QB, so if they want to wait until next year to draft a QB, no problem. The problem comes when a team feels they have to have a QB this year.

I'm sorry, I'm not drafting any of the guys this year in the 1st round. I know someone will, but I wouldn't. Maybe Malik Willis to the Steelers in the #20 overall pick, but I still think teams would be silly not to approach Gutey about Love.

I don't think Gutey will give Love away, because I think he truly believes in him, but if the Steelers offered Gutey #20 overall, I think that might be a win for both teams.

Will be fun to see what happens, but it wouldn't shock me if Gutey traded Love during the draft. Won't surprise me if he turns down some decent trade offers for Love either.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 05:34 pm

Bird,
Not sure when/what I would consider trading Love for in terms of draft capital if I was Gutey. Would depend on the Packers assessment of Love.

I'd say it depends on who is available in the draft at a particular spot in round 1. At the 20th spot I'd start thinking about it but it would need to be higher. Probably top 15 spot but even then I don't know if I could pull trigger. I believe Love will be a good QB in the league for over 10-years.

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White92's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:53 pm

Ain't no sane GM gonna give a 1st rounder for Love. Pretty sure most GMs draft the best player available and not lock themselves into drafting a position regardless of how mediocre that player is, so I doubt any of the teams mentioned below would give their first round pick for Love.

The worst thing a GM can do is hold on to his mistake, and Love was definitely a mistake. A second round pick would probably asking a lot and a 3rd or 4th likely more realistic.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:38 am

Exactly what I believe Cory—trade Love; we can draft a QB next year.
As you say (and I agree), Benkert imo appears to have some very good upside. Via trade, an additional starting DT and/or LB would allow more flexibility in the draft.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:07 am

Benkert has "very good upside" based on what, exactly?

His 5 year journeyman career where he has NEVER been the backup? You have seen infinitely less of him in regular season Packer football vs Love and you have deemed him the backup for an NFL SB candidate?

SMH.

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dobber's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:37 am

The old axiom that everyone's favorite player is the backup QB has now been modified to be third-string...

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croatpackfan's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:29 pm

Are you comedian? If not you should be worrisome...

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PatrickGB's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:45 am

A lot of “what if’s”, “how about’s”, “I wonder”, “why not”, “what do you think?” speculation. Makes my head hurt.

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mrtundra's picture

April 19, 2022 at 07:51 am

How unfair is this to Love? Why trade him? We have not even seen him play other than a tiny bit when Rodgers went out. Did you naysayers say the same about trading Rodgers when he sat behind Favre, for three years? Jordan Love will be a solid QB for us, so give him a chance. How out of touch can people get? Sounds like the same type of crowd that wanted to pull Clay Matthews out of retirement, when he was way past his prime, just because they liked him as a Packer. Wake up, people!

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ImaPayne's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:22 am

Weve seen him play and so have the coaches thus, 50 mil to keep the old guy around a few more years until they can figure out what the hell are they going to do.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:18 am

Hes played 6 quarters. And in those 6 quarters, he outplayed Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City and brought the Packers back from the double digit deficit he inherited from Rodgers and the starters to take the lead late in the 4th qtr against the Lions and he did that with backups. But hes a bum. Lets trade him and fire everyone because reasons.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:37 am

Facts are stubborn things...and using them over emotion is, well, a Return to Sanity.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 20, 2022 at 03:02 am

69 passer rating against KC.
64 passer rating against Detroit.

Love doesn't play against Mahomes. There is no direct comparison there.

Facts and stats are plentiful and can be used to argue in both directions.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:45 am

This is the Jimmy G scenario.

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Oppy's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:04 am

Yes, it's the same naysayers who said Rodgers was a no-talent bum and wanted him gone during his first year as a starter.

Yes, it's the same type of crowd who wanted to pull Clay Matthews out of retirement to play a position Matthews said he didn't want to play.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:46 am

Or who thought Adam's was a bust or Gary a bust. Same people!

When is more likely than not that Rodgers gets hurt this year. When Jordan comes in and plays well these same people will still try finding something wrong...anything wrong.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:00 am

Cory, I think your reasoning is flawed. You are saying that Love is rated as a 90 which is right behind a few of the early 1st round quarterbacks the last few years. Also, you state that he is rated higher than a couple of quarterbacks this year that will go early in the first round--at least before pick 15.

Green Bay moved up in the first round to select Love.

After reading the first part of your article, I fully expected you to say that GB should get a team's first round pick in a trade for Love but you are saying a 2nd rounder.

That surprised me and I totally disagree with your logic.

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dblbogey's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:37 am

I always disagree with Cory's logic.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:00 am

Cory's Logic... hmmmm let's see...

Jumbo Shrimp
Military Intelligence

fighting for peace is like screwing for chastity

fits right in...

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:04 am

I know it's going to be a good day when people come up to me and say,"nice to see ya in men's clothes again pants burp!" Yep, gonna be a golden graham kinda day!

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:18 am

some days I really feel for Cory.

I know it is his job here at chtv to be the designated shit-stirrer, but the abuse he takes for that job is just hilarious - to me!

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:13 pm

CHTV playlist #1 Hit when Cory articles hit the interwebs: https://youtu.be/wmin5WkOuPw

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 05:21 pm

suspicion confirmed!

exactly how often do you move out of the dark spaces you inhabit?

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ImaPayne's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:20 am

I agree and think we could get a six pack of miller and an 8th round pick. Who in the hell would want this guy. When the analyst are scratching there heads at how an unknown who played very little in a conference with no name got to be a one pick? Ya he will be in demand

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dobber's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:25 am

"When the analyst are scratching there heads at how an unknown who played very little in a conference with no name got to be a one pick?"

Do you sit up at night just making shit up?

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Since'61's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:08 am

Cookie! Thanks, Since '61

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:36 am

You are not just a pain...you are a pain akin to 3 days of constipation.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:34 am

I just imagined Eddie Murphy in Beverley Hills Cop...

He's more like: "Herpes Simplex 10..."

Always around making you itch.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:43 am

When you put down the Jug, put on the headset and we can scream a list of the Hundreds of Players from the Mountain West Conference in the NFL @High-Volume.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:14 am

Thats why they're "analysts" and not making decisions for an NFL team. Turn the tv off man. The suit wearing jockos dont know what theyre talking about.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:02 am

yeah, like the guy from Liberty schmiberty or whatever school that is that is now projected as the first QB to be selected in this years draft...

know-nothing douchnozzle...

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 02:19 pm

bUt He LoOkEd GrEaT aT tHe CoMbInE!!!

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AnotherPackFan's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:41 am

For the right price, everyone is up for trade. I doubt that Love will generate enough interest to generate an offer that makes a trade worthwhile for the Packers.
But for those who are howling that we should not trade Love, would you really hold on to him if some team offers a good package?
The real debate would be on what a "fair" trade for Love would be.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:49 am

Would you hold onto Rodgers with the treasure chest offering from the Broncos?

The Packers did.

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Lphill's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:12 pm

Rumor mill is Love to Seattle for Lockett and there 2 nd round pick.

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White92's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:56 pm

That'd be the biggest theft since the Louisiana purchase

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Since'61's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:52 pm

If that trade is even remotely accurate the Packers should on it ASAP! Thanks, Since '61

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BF's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:06 am

Weighing in on some data (Take it for what it's worth):

Rodgers: First first three seasons (2005, 2006,2007),
Passing: 59 attempts, 35 completions, 329 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.
Rushing: 11 attempts, 47 yards

Benkert: First four seasons (2018, 2019, 2020-DNP. 2021)
Passing 0 attempts, 0 completions, 0 yards,
Rushing: 2 attempts, -1 yards (kneel downs)

Love: First two seasons (2020- DNP, 2021),
Passing: 64 attempts, 36 completions, 411yards, 2 TD, 3 INT.
Rushing: 12 attempts, 27 yards

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:03 am

Facts are stubborn things!

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Coldworld's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:11 am

So are many of us.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 20, 2022 at 03:13 am

So, in roughly the same attempts Love had double the TDs and triple the INTs that AR put up?

I don't doubt his facts, but I don't infer diddly squat from them. I don't know whether Love will develop or not. He can sling the ball and moves pretty well. I just think something like 60% to 80% of being an NFL QB is between the ears, being able to learn from mistakes, being coachable. That's hard to judge. The sample size is just too small. The game plans were not tailored to suit Love. The team and its personnel were not assembled with Love in mind.

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TarynsEyes's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:07 am

One of these things is not like the other.

The problem with using an infantile measuring stick is the same reason why stats are not and shouldn't be the deciding answer to players' ability. Numerically one could claim that only one is not like the other two, but to use this as validation that the other two are alike is fraudulent thinking, and the use of the infantile system employed to make a case is, um, infantile.

Even Sesame Street would laugh at this level of use of 'One thing is not like the other".

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:36 am

Thats a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:20 am

Yeah, sounds like word salad to me. Why is this an infantile measuring stick? What measure would be non-infantile?

All of the objective data....ALL of it....points to Love being well ahead of Rodgers after two years in the league. Denying that is ......infantile.

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TarynsEyes's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:55 am

A huge majority of a QBs stats are based on what another player did or didn't do. A pass of 3 yards turns into a pass of 50 'if' the receiver is able to make a defender miss a tackle or his route gets him free from the coverage. Yac is added on to the QBs passing yards and shouldn't be, less the actual deep pass of significant yardage, and why it's a false positive to a QBs actual ability. Hence, does the WR make the QB, or does the QB make the WR? Rodgers's accuracy makes the WR, Love isn't making anything, hence one of these things is not like the other is a false positive used for Love in comparison to Rodgers, and a narrative that other teams understand and why the trade value of Love isn't enriching for the Packers to do so.

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MainePackFan's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:18 pm

This post was much more logical, and well written, than the "infantile" nonsense you previously posted. Well done, and I agree with the gist of what you said here.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:53 am

Very much like a Kommie Harris comment...sans the hysterical laughter.

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Brobeserk's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:21 am

What? The game of football is about stats. Almost all games are about stats, if not all of them. Ridiculous!

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TarynsEyes's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:06 pm

You see only the stats and not who and how makes them. Love isn't creating anything or anyone. Rodgers has and does still. To make Love equal to Rodgers based on before starter stats is absurd when one can clearly see the level of ability in the short time compared is as lopsided as anything could possibly be. Perhaps watching the tape of Rodgers and Love in their pre-stater time will enlighten you and others about what is not seen in Love and what was clearly seen in Rodgers's future. Ignore the stats and tell me you see in Love what was seen in Rodgers.

The reason why Rodgers falling to the Packers was a once-in-a-lifetime get, and Love is closer to just another yearly over-hyped draft loss.

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davekenya's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:39 pm

Are you saying Rodgers benefited from off season QB program that the new NFL players contract does not allow -- and so Love has not benefited from? That COVID limited in-person reps a year ago for Love that AR benefited from at start of his career?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:47 am

BF,
Awesome!

Thanks!

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:24 pm

Yep, anyone who doesn't see that Love is more on track to be a guy like Rodgers and Benkert is a guy who won't be in the league in 3 years, clearly does not know football.

Love should only go if we can get another very high 1st for him this year.
Benkert should just go.

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Rudedawg67's picture

April 21, 2022 at 11:18 am

For all of you that think those stats are cute we need to take a look at the whole picture. How many drives were sustained with those completions. How many of those incompletions were throwaways. How many points did the team put up during the time of play. Who were the opponents during the timer play. Just having numbers and not displaying the results of the game doesn’t give you a complete picture. Knowing what I’ve seen when I saw Rogers come in for Favre against the Cowboys and seeing Love have a week to prepare for poor Kansas City defense means to me the stats are garbage.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 21, 2022 at 11:26 am

Fine... Rodgers came in against the Cowboys in his 3rd year.

Love came in against the Chiefs in his second year...

SMH - You can't have it both ways dude...

Rodgers also had 3 years of QB School Vs. Love's Zero...

Hate on Love all you want. Be my guest.

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MainePackFan's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:27 am

I don't think the packers would trade Love unless they were blown away by an offer, or, they were not sold on his ability to be a quality NFL QB.

It's hard to imagine worse circumstances for the kid to start his NFL career. Drafted to replace a HOF QB in a year where normal development was nearly impossible due to Covid.

My guess is, even the Packers aren't sure what they have in Love. I highly doubt another organization has seen enough to give up any worthwhile draft capital for him. I say give the kid a chance, we're already knee deep in the investment.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:20 am

Maine,
On the Love topic...just STOP being so thoughtful, rational and reasonable! :)

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MainePackFan's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:38 pm

My Bad Knock ;)

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Since'61's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:31 am

I'm not sure about trading Love at this point but if any team offers a second round pick for Love the Packers should jump all over it. Why? Because if Rodgers goes down the season is over anyway. Love is not ready to play and he is certainly not ready to win at this point, especially with a new WR corps to work with.

He has a long way to go, probably 2-3 seasons at best and he may never reach an NFL starting QB level. Meanwhile another second round pick gives us another shot at selecting a solid WR, DL, OL, or Edge player. All of which would likely contribute more in 2022 than Love would be able to do or have the chance to do.
Even a 3rd or 4th round pick could be worth the move.

If we retain Love we will need to draft a QB in the 2023 or 2024 draft depending on how long Rodgers decides to stay with the Packers. If Love is still here he would need a backup and/or the team may need to replace Love if he busts. For these reasons I would make the move now if the price is right. However, I would be surprised if any team is offering a 2nd rounder for Love. Why would they at this point? Love needs time and many, many more reps before he evolves into a legit NFL starting QB if that can happen at all.

I'm doubting that any of this will actually happen and that we're just out of topics and need click bait prior to the draft in 9 days. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

April 19, 2022 at 09:42 am

I disagree, my friend. Entirely.

Give Jordan Love regular reps, a top OL, some insanely talented young WRs, and a commitment to a top power rushing attack, with a solid defense?

I like our chances better with Jordan Love running this offense, actually. Far better.

Trading him for an R2? In what world? It would take the Packers at least TWO R1s to get back up high enough to draft a top QB in next year's draft, and then we're starting all over again with a very raw rookie.

We can agree to disagree.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:13 am

Just the silly season of click bait, G&G. Cory should write for the Babylon Bee.

Anyone heard of Trevor Lawrence? First round QB ALWAYS succeed in year one, don't they? Trade Love and draft our sure fired next HOF QB next year!

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Coldworld's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:15 pm

Feeling kind of dirty for commenting on this offal. Lesson learned. No more buying Cory click bait. Wait for Al on Wednesdays,

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 19, 2022 at 08:40 pm

i wonder if he felt dirty writing it, or if it came natural-like.

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dobber's picture

April 19, 2022 at 10:40 am

"Give Jordan Love regular reps, a top OL, some insanely talented young WRs, and a commitment to a top power rushing attack, with a solid defense?"

...and maybe you get Baker Mayfield. ;)

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 11:07 am

That was just plain mean...

Have a peanut butter cookie on me!

Bad behavior with worse intentions is always rewarded by me.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 20, 2022 at 03:16 am

I've been sitting on a park bench.

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Since'61's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:05 pm

At best Dobber, maybe we don’t even get that much.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Coldworld's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:15 pm

Sometimes less is more

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Since'61's picture

April 19, 2022 at 03:57 pm

Yes, but most of the time less is less, even much less. Thanks, Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 20, 2022 at 03:17 am

Yes, but if less is more, think about how much more more would be.

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Since'61's picture

April 19, 2022 at 12:05 pm

At best Dobber, maybe we don’t even get that much.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Johnblood27's picture

April 19, 2022 at 05:24 pm

am i in an echo chamber?

hello, hello... lefty calling...

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Since'61's picture

April 19, 2022 at 04:13 pm