Extra Cheese: Packers and Davante Adams stop talking

Aaron chats about the news that the Green and Gold and Davante Adams have broken off contract extension talks.

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Bearmeat's picture

July 23, 2021 at 11:36 am

NO KIDDING - stop with the Panic nonsense.

Davante is great player. But his game is explosion. He’s already getting a little older in the prime area for WR production. Paying him 27m AAV for 4 years would be stupid. This isn’t a “diva” problem, or a “front office is bad” problem. It’s just two parties with different objectives. If Davante is franchised and traded in March of 22, after ARod is traded, I’d be more than fine with that.

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BuckyBadger's picture

July 26, 2021 at 01:48 pm

Won't ever be the popular decision but the best thing to do with Adams is let him play his deal out and sign a big deal next somewhere else. They will get a 3rd round compensatory pick and some other team will over pay for a WR for what he once was. He is a very good WR but I agree but signing guys at 29 to big deals is folly in this league.

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Lphill's picture

July 23, 2021 at 12:00 pm

The Packers will be the laughing stock of sports by letting Rodgers and Adams get away , why would Alexander or Clark etc want to stay when their contracts are up?

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:14 pm

For the most part they have already achieved that distinction in the national media. Thanks, Since ‘61

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:27 pm

Nah, but certainly with a minority of fair weather fans push that distinction who cheer specific players and not the Team.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:34 pm

No doubt, the clown show continues with the aspirants from the mail-order dale carnegie course in carnival barking, selling used cars and negotiating with super stars.

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Swisch's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:03 pm

No, the Packers will be a laughingstock if they give extravagant contracts to aging players and/or give any players authority over such matters as personnel moves.
If the front office sells out its integrity, it will not only be a laughingstock, it will ruin the stability of the team and lower us into last place.

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 23, 2021 at 06:27 pm

Didn't you spend the entire last off season advocating for the Packers to trade Rodgers to either SF or NE so he could win another Super Bowl? Now you're saying GB will be the laughing stock of the NFL for doing exactly what you wanted? Pick a lane....and stay in it.

As far as Adams....another one of your rants is either Super Bowl or "participation trophy". Remind me again, how many Lombardi's have we won with DA17 as our WR1?

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Coldworld's picture

July 23, 2021 at 12:15 pm

At this point I would neither sign if I were Adams nor sign him if I were the team. There is too much up in the air. Resigning him may not be a good move for either party given the cost and increasing doubt that Rodgers will be our QB this year, let alone next year. Sit on it, wait.

The team would be wise to franchise tag him next year anyway as it’s likely cheaper than his contract would work out at. With no Rodgers that is doable and leaves the option to extend or trade then. So no big surprise. If the two parties had agreed at this point, that would have been a stunner for me.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

July 23, 2021 at 12:30 pm

Someones probably going to overpay Adams and his agent knows it.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:53 pm

That assumes the Pack lets DA walk after this season. Transitional franchise tag him and he is in GB until a team who wants to overpay him also has to cough up 2- #1 draft picks!

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mnbadger's picture

July 23, 2021 at 12:44 pm

As I've said before, DA is and has been a great professional during his time with the pack. He owned his early problems, worked his butt off to correct them and rose to the top. If I were his friend or family, I would suggest he maintain the professionalism, blow praise at GBP front office then take this biggest $ offered next year. No fault to either side.
First, lets have a great 2021 no matter who's under center.
GPG

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Guam's picture

July 23, 2021 at 02:25 pm

Well stated mnbadger! He has been a great WR at Green Bay, but I think cap issues will have him playing elsewhere in 2022.

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scullyitsme's picture

July 23, 2021 at 02:03 pm

The front office has botched all this crap, but…the reality is if Rodgers isn’t playing We shouldn’t be signing DA anyway. That would be a waste of all the cap you actually save letting Rodgers go.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:37 pm

OK, with the Rodgers soap opera still unresolved, who will you cut to pay DA $26 or $27 M/yr with Rodgers cap hit still on the books? Bakht, Clark, Z?

I will be patient. Let us know how you "unbotch" this.

DA and his agent feel he is now worth $26+ M/year. Good for them. Good luck getting that in 2022 after being transitional franchise tagged where the acquiring team will have to give the Pack 2 #1 draft picks and the big salary for a 30 year old player.

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 02:39 pm

First they send Rodgers the message that they don’t want him after 2021, then blame him for not signing a new contract which provided no security after 2021.

Now talks break down with Adams.

This is all about Gute and Murphy moving on from the last of the MM hold overs. Probably Gute in particular wants his own guys without any baggage from the MM/TT era. That’s all fine if the team is winning but if they’re still stuck in the twilight zone between the regular season and the SB or worse we’ll be on the GM, HC, QB carousel for who knows how long.

We’ve seen this movie before and we know how it plays out.
Hopefully someone can rewrite the ending this time, sooner than later. Thanks, Since ‘61

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:45 pm

Sometimes you are confusing.

When was the "message" sent the Packers didn't want Rodgers after 2021? When Rodgers signed the biggest NFL contract in the history of Earth in 2018, complete with his broad smiles, most of the money paid up front in guarantees, with Rodgers mouthing platitudes how grateful he was?

Was the "message" sent when a reported offer to make him the highest paid player this season and beyond that Rodgers refused?

Regarding DA, he and his agent crashed the talks after the Hopkins blockbuster was announced. Is this difficult to understand? Yet you are claiming this is due to Gutey wanting to rid the team of MM players and his mentor, TT's picks? Based on what??

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:51 pm

LambeauPlain - First, they sent Rodgers the message by refusing to guarantee him anything in terms of security beyond the 2021 season.
The contract that was offered was backloaded with tons of money which Rodgers would never see. Which is why he refused the contract or did so on the advice of his agent.

Rodgers is a big boy, he should know that nothing is guaranteed either in the league or in life for that matter, but let’s not pretend that the team doesn’t know what it is doing either. They don’t want to carry a QB into his 40s because he will probably decline or be injured and the team would be committed to an expensive long term deal. But the team could admit that rather than playing this game to make Rodgers look bad because they offered him this great contract but didn’t mention that it has no guarantees for him beyond 2021. They will make a similar play with Adams.

Beyond all of this they are probably getting close to a package deal with the Broncos or another team for Rodgers, Adams and maybe even Bak. Bak took a huge pay cut for this season. I doubt that the Packers are going to want to retain his contract either after 2021 when Bak is another year older.

As for basing my thoughts on clearing out the TT/MM era players. Look at the team. How many of those guys are left?
Some of it is due to NFL attrition, some of it is letting guys like Bulaga and Linsley and others walk in FA.

This is nothing unusual. This is just the current regime wanting their own guys. I’m not saying it’s good or bad, I’m just saying it’s happening. NFL teams are no different than any large organization. It no longer matters how good you are at your job, it only matters if you are part of the current regime. Or if you can add more value than they can afford to lose, at least in the beginning.

Now, try to look at it from Rodgers point of view. Since Rodgers became the Packers starting QB in 2008 the Packers have not drafted an offensive skill player with their 1st round pick except for 2020 when they moved up in the 1st round to pick his replacement (Love). If you’re Rodgers that’s a huge FU, whether it was deliberate or not, that’s the message Rodgers received. Then after 2 consecutive 14-4 seasons and leading the league’s #1 offense the team refuses to give him security for the next few seasons.
I can understand the team’s side of it but I can also see the messages Rodgers is receiving from the team.

My comments are based on what is happening right in front of us and what has been happening since Gute took over. The difference is that I knew this was coming when Gute took over and I and many others here posted back in 2018 that Rodgers would be done in Green Bay by 2021 or 22. And now here we are.

You think it’s all on Rodgers which is fine and I’m confident that it’s both sides to blame and that the team initiated it since Gute took over. I just pay attention and I realize how organizations treat their people regardless of the profession.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Coldworld's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:02 pm

Rodgers supposedly turned down an extension. This isn’t about not wanting him if true. So much assumed on so little fact. Begins to look like he’s not playing. The reasons seem to be in his head not apparent to outsiders. If they are good enough to not lead the best roster he’s had in a decade, he must feel them strongly. I hope he doesn’t come to rue that as we will this season, but it’s on with what we have and quit the apologism. One can only go forward not back.

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 05:59 pm

Rodgers turned the extension because it didn't offer him any security beyond 2021. The contract was heavily backloaded and he would have seen any of that money. Thanks, Since '61

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 23, 2021 at 06:36 pm

Just curious...how do you know this? I always respect your posts, but I'm curious how you know the details of this offer.

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 09:40 pm

13Times - back in May when the story originally broke about Rodgers turning down an extension there was an article on pro football talk.com about the contract offered to Rodgers and some of the terms including the fact that while it offered plenty of money it did not include any security for Rodgers to remain the Packers starting QB. IIRC Mark Schlereth made the comments during a sports talk show. Rodgers doesn’t want more money he wants to have some control over his remaining career in Green Bay. The Packers don’t want to commit beyond 2021.

I don’t know if Rodgers will show up or holdout but Packers FO isn’t clean in this episode either. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Swisch's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:18 pm

Until the day of the draft, it seemed as though Aaron Rodgers thought all was fine and dandy with the Packers and the upcoming season of striving for the Super Bowl.
Even Rodgers hasn't told us about any negative messages that were sent to him by the Packers before or since that bombshell news story. As far as I know, he also hasn't told us that Adam Schefter was seriously wrong about breaking the story.
We still don't know what noble principle it is that has Rodgers threatening to derail what should have been an exciting and excellent season.
As a longtime fan of Rodgers, I'm still open to his explanation -- but it seems improbable that he has anything of substance to inspire us into backing him.
Rather, it seems he has slyly and selfishly let down in a huge way all who care about the Packers, including his teammates and us as fans.
It would take a pretty amazing explanation for him to say differently, or a pretty big apology to make amends.

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 05:03 pm

Swisch just consider this if you’re Aaron Rodgers.
Since 2008 when Rodgers became the Packers starting QB, the Packers have not spent one first round draft pick on an offensive skill player, except for 2020 when they moved up in the 1st round to draft his replacement.

Now it might not be deliberate but Rodgers received that message as a huge FU. And I don’t blame him.
Then after 2 14-4 seasons, and leading the league’s #1 offense the team refuses to give him any security for the next few seasons. And they won’t trade him (yet) to try to work it out with his new team. Another FU received by Rodgers from the team.

Rodgers is a big boy and should should understand that nothing is guaranteed and that this is part of the deal in the NFL. But let’s not pretend that the team doesn’t know what they are doing or how their messages are being received. This is just all part of regime change and the current regime (Gute) wants their own guys. It happens everyday in organizations all over the world. The Packers are no exception. Wolf/Holmgren wanted Favre, MM/TT wanted Rodgers, now Gute at least, wants Love.
Be well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Swisch's picture

July 23, 2021 at 06:41 pm

A sincere be well back to you, Since'61. I'm glad we can disagree with genuine good will from both of us.
I don't think we really know how much Rodgers was bothered by his current contract situation and the drafting of Jordan Love. I would guess that that Packers tried to address any concerns he may have had in their apparent recent offer of a new contract -- but still no acceptance by Rodgers, or word as to what is bothering him.
What we do seem to know is that he is scheduled to make some $37 million this year, at least as it is counted against the salary cap and takes away salary from other players. In any case, Rodgers has already made a heap of money from this contract, and should have known the key conditions when he signed it from his agent.
Packers management may have made some mistakes in dealing with Rodgers, but not necessarily an FU. Also, Rodgers may have made some mistakes in dealing with Packers management in his apparently sly and possibly subversive ways.
In any case, is it all enough for Rodgers to throw away the season as far as him leading the team to perhaps its last best chance at a Super Bowl for the near future?
In fairness and as a fan of Rodgers, I want to leave the door open for him to give a good and compelling explanation of what in the world is going on.
However, it is possible that he has given an FU to his teammates and fans -- or at least left us in the dust for his own selfish interests, which seems close to the same thing.

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 10:58 pm

Swisch - I don’t think there is any doubt that both side has made mistakes in this situation.

For Rodgers part he is a big boy and he should know that nothing is guaranteed and that he is as expendable as any other player in the eyes of team management. As for the Packers FO they should know by now who they are dealing with and how their actions would be received.

I’m not sure if Rodgers will show up and play or not or how long he might hold out. It should be obvious to him by now that the Packers will not provide him with any security after this season and that they will not trade him yet.

Both sides have made their points. So what is more important to Rodgers? Sitting out a season because he doesn’t have a commitment from the Packers or competing for a championship with a team he knows wants him gone after the season regardless of the results? That’s where we’re at. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:39 pm

The board of Directors are clueless when all signals point to Murphy and low ball taking a hike.

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Lphill's picture

July 23, 2021 at 02:52 pm

This team has a dysfunctional front office because there is no owner driven to win , cut to the Patriots / Bucs , surround your HOF QB with talent every year and win , Packers philosophy , lets hope he ( insert name here ) develops in 3 or 4 years, then you have Nagler and his cult followers who think Gutey is just wonderful. people here are actually saying its not worth the money to retain the best receiver in the game, very sad state of affairs

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PackerAaron's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:07 pm

Now try listening again after cleaning out what must be wax in your ears.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:03 pm

After selecting atop the draft rounds for multiple years due to a dysfunctional FO, the Bucs finally clawed their way to the mountaintop with a QB who could be good enough to win the big games behind an excellent Defense.

The Packers, after the 2010 SB season were so dysfunctional they were in the playoffs most years after and made 4 NFCCGs with a QB who could not get them to the mountaintop.

Lastly, tell us how you pay the best receiver in the game who now wants $26/$27 M per year after the Hopkins windfall? Who are you going to cut, trade with Rodgers cap hit still on the books? Rodgers? Clark? Bakht? Z?

What is sad is too many fans don't understand the cap ramifications.

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2021 at 06:03 pm

Actually what is sad is that the current FO got us into our current cap situation. But apparently that's OK.
Thanks Since '61

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SanLobo's picture

July 23, 2021 at 07:00 pm

To me it seems clear the FO got us into our current cap situation knowing they were going to “blow the team up” at the end of 21. The plan was to bring back Rodgers for the 21 season and then trade him, and probably Adams at the end of the year. Rebuild with the capital gained from those two trades. Several folks have discussed this exact scenario in this forum numerous times. It would seem unlikely the Front Office hadn’t considered it or in fact planned on it. GB probably won’t be banging against the NFCCG doorway for a couple years, but the team, theoretically, would have a ton of young talent.

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TheVOR's picture

July 23, 2021 at 02:58 pm

I've been talking about this on the Tundra Board since June 30th. There is absolutely, positively, NO REASON to extend Adams. Doesn't matter if Rodgers is back or not. Adams is under contract, and likely knows his numbers are going to fall off a cliff, coming into a Contract year, and he's likely going to be playing with LOVE at QB. Even if it's 12 at QB, you can't afford this football player! Not at over 20M a year? No way.

Lets face it, Rodgers has performed the shot over the bow, even if he plays this season, it will likely be his last in GB, and in no football universe I know of, will having Adams at 25M a year equate to a good contract for GB with Jordan Love at QB. Makes ZERO sense. Adams will not make Love a better QB, he's not an NFL QB. In fact One full year of Adams playing with Love, and he'll be pining for a trade!

If all this garbage works itself out, and they really wanted to waste money on Adams, you tag him next season! But sadly, at least to this Packers fan, his time in GB needs to be over, just based on the cap number alone. Adams at 20-25M a year is a bad contract for GB, especially is Love is our QB. Don't resign. If they do, it clearly signals Rodgers is gone.

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Packers0808's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:00 pm

I have one thought here really, where the hell is all this money supposed to come from to pay all this money out the way the covid has played havoc on income for thee teams, not just our Packers?

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Coldworld's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:04 pm

We made a ton of money off assets last year, so the Packers are wealthier now than before, at least on paper. In cap terms though, a very relevant question.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 23, 2021 at 05:27 pm

The money/assets the Packers have is as meaningless as the money Jerry Jones can whip up in an instant for other resources The allowance, that is the salary cap is all that can be used regardless of how much money is in one pocket or anywhere else. In other words, the ticket sales to the amusement park are moot. The NFL money pool ensures all teams will have salary cap money, whether their pockets are bulging or not.

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Packers0808's picture

July 23, 2021 at 05:53 pm

Cap terms is what I was talking about, guess I took for granted people would think or know that!

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pack69go's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:18 pm

I hope that Murphy and Gutekunst get their feet put to the fire at the shareholders meeting on Monday 7/26/21!!!

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pack69go's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:22 pm

can anyone tell me if the CBA allows you to suspend players if they hold out? I now it used to have a provision to do this at some point in the preseason but I'm not sure if the current CBA allows this or not?

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Matt Gonzales's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:27 pm

Why would you suspend them? If they're holding out they're not getting paid, and if they skip camp the NFL fines them. If they hold out then you can put them on reserve/dnr. If the league suspends them they're on reserve/suspended. If a team suspends a player it has to be for violating a written team rule and I don't know if they go on reserve or if they're still taking a roster spot.

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Swisch's picture

July 23, 2021 at 03:56 pm

Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams in a trade for a top defensive lineman, a top wide receiver, and a first-round draft pick.
Let's just get relief from a combined $50-$60 million in yearly salary (as I estimate it) from those two players entering the waning years of their careers.
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It's not the Packers front office nor the fans who are sending away aging veterans wanting extravagant contracts.
It's them wanting huge money even as their skills decline.
I'm all for keeping as many of our players as possible until they retire, as long as they are realistic about their worth.
In a way, our older Packers such as Rodgers and Adams are priceless. However, the other guys deserve to get paid, too, and the fans deserve a good team with a sensible salary structure.
So, in my opinion, it's mostly Rodgers and Adams who are making the decision to leave by forcing us to basically bankrupt the team.
My sincere best to them.

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jhtobias's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:01 pm

I cant blame the packers nor davante .. Davante agent knows he will get paid either way and with all likelihood thier will be no rodgers so why extend a wr at 27 million a year that is just dumb.

If Rodgers does intend to never play again in Green Bay i would hope they trade Davante for top value this season since the super bowl window is slammed shut

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stockholder's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:02 pm

Franchise tag is 16.5 mil. Adams needs to get realistic.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 23, 2021 at 05:30 pm

Reality doesn't exist in their DoJo nor within many Packer fans here.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 23, 2021 at 04:14 pm

Look at the production of WRs who are 30 or more (which is what Adams will be). It’s a bad investment. Use the money elsewhere and draft his replacement.

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Bure9620's picture

July 23, 2021 at 06:54 pm

This isn't incredibly shocking. The Packers are in the middle of a philosophy shift and a 3rd contract for a WR is the opposite direction of that build. I am neither strongly for or against extending Adams, though I would be very shocked if the Packers sign Adams to a huge extension.

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nostradanus's picture

July 24, 2021 at 08:38 am

Social media is the devil man

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nostradanus's picture

July 24, 2021 at 08:43 am

Maybe it’s time to trade both of these clowns, get as much as possible and start the mini rebuild in the Love era.

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