I'd like to see more of the rookie OT Walter who dominated Chase Young as a true freshman for Penn st why did he fall in the draft and is not highly thought off after his freshman year i don't know ?

______"Sean Rhyan, Rasheed Walker, and Caleb Jones ~ This is the time of year to be optimistic. In my world, all three make huge strides their 2nd year and solidify our OL"----------

Yeah, in my world, I'm hoping one of the three develops enough that we could put him on the field against a good DT without it costing us the game.

IMO, if we don't add better players, we're going to have players on the field we don't want as soon as injuries happen.

Thanks for mentioning Allen in there. At NU he was underrated, and he's a beast of a guy. I'm excited to see what he can do. Regardless, we need a legitimate TE. Hopefully we get Michael Mayer in the 2023 draft.
Perhaps we also take a WR in round 2 or 3; Rashee Rice of SMU is someone the Packers could target; he is fast and big, like Watson.

As far as the OL goes, because we won't be contending next year, I'd give the line of
Tom-Jenkins-Myers-Runyan-Nijman at least one year and see how they do or if anyone improves. If anyone fails then we can draft replacements in 2024. OL is not our biggest need in 2023; TE, WR, S, and OLB, are in my opinion.
At our current rate we will have a hard time having enough players at TE and S to form a basic roster; we must address those two.

Don't forget TJ Slaton on the DL. In my opinion they ideally need at least one more starting caliber player to rotate in, but Slaton did show great progress and flashes at NT.

Carpenter I think is mostly a STs ace. He has done well. Not sure he will ever play on D, but who knows...

Lots of very similar thought to mine, BDU! I look forward to our draft discussions!

We've discussed Tom as a center (and moving Myers to guard) before. (I'll never forgive Gute for taking Myers over Creed Humphrey, who I wanted with our FIRST round pick...). Tom isn't strong enough to be a great guard, but he has the feet and smarts to be a GREAT center. Myers has been very average, and would make a good swing backup if Tom got injured.

I'm glad you brought up B Melton and A Allen, because I regularly drafted BOTH of them in my mock drafts last year! I couldn't believe it when we signed them!
C Jones and R Walker both have as much potential as Nijman did, and I'd love to see one of them develop like he did and eventually, in a couple years, take the right tackle job (maybe with Nijman at left tackle).
I liked the Sean Rhyan pick, so I'm curious to see if he can turn things around. He reminded me a bit of Mark Tauscher.
Then there's Royce Newman.
Started his entire rookie year, so the coaches trusted him, but we all watched him be a weak link. What if he fixes whatever his problem(s) are? He has youth, size and experience; if we can hope for Rhyan, we should also be able to hope for Newman.

When he was a rookie, I predicted Innis Gaines would be a starting safety for us in his third year, but although he's gotten more responsibilities, he'll need to make a big jump to achieve my prediction. Man, I loved his college tape...
Shemar Jean-Charles seems to have fallen out of favor, too bad since the Packer scouts loved him so much.

I think Patrick Taylor is underappreciated; I think he can be a #2 RB. He kind of reminds me of James Starks.

I notice no one is mentioning Jonathan Ford...which is good, because I HATED that pick and couldn't believe they put him on the roster. His college tape was TERRIBLE.

Why Caleb Jones was not on the field in short yardage situations, and especially goal line situations, is beyond me.

Enagbare was projected to be as high as a 3rd or late 2nd by some. Injury history caused his fall, but that has been a non-issue so far.

Concur about Enagbare. He got a lot of playing time this year and should be well poised to make a second year jump. If he does, the Packers will be well set at OLB assuming Gary comes fully back. I believe he will, but it may take half a season before he is full go.

It shows the ineptitude of the coaching staff even more

Slaton had 23 tkls last season. Are you referring to Chris Slayton, who hasn't made a tkl in the NFL in 3 yrs.

In my opinion, Title town needs a new Mayer.

Let's go get TE Michael Mayer in the draft. He is a great blocker and great pass catcher

His contract is kinda trade friendly now gb can not get out of the dead cap hits -41 mil now-68 mil after 23 and 74 mil after 24 season and the dead cap is money already paid to him but counted against cap in future But his actually salary is a lot lower so trades would be easy for the other team he would have to redo his contract with new team I say just do it now

I'm with you. At this point I'd take a 1st or a 2nd and a 3rd to get AWAY from that contract ASAP. Sure, the Packers look like the biggest IDIOTS ever, but the whole would already KNOWS this to be true...Yes Mark Murphy, I'm looking directly at you!

I'm with you. At this point I'd take a 1st or a 2nd and a 3rd to get AWAY from that contract ASAP. Sure, the Packers look like the biggest IDIOTS ever, but the whole would already KNOWS this to be true...Yes Mark Murphy, I'm looking directly at you!

He doesn't want to be part of a rebuild. He's said that.

His contract is trade friendly. He'll cost the acquiring team almost nothing., but we save almost nothing this season by cutting him. This was done intentionally, IMO.

We often go for Day 3 Olinemen. Sitton, Lang, Bakhtiari, Tauscher, Tom, Bakhtiari.........

We need to be able to suit up 9 capable offensive linemen. I think we're about halfway right now.

Swisch, you know I have much respect for you, but I can't agree with what you just wrote.
I don't care about Jordan Love's feelings any more than I care about Rodgers feelings. They're big boys playing a big boy game. They know how it works.

The Packers execs are not clueless. They know exactly what's going on. They made a mistake drafting Jordan Love and they will admit that mistake this year. They can only hope that they are bailed out by someone that see's Love the same way they saw him when they drafted him. This is nothing against Jordan Love.

WE have not sold out our dignity. I'm sure your dignity doesn't come from whatever the Packers FO decides to do with this team. Whatever the FO decides to do, our dignity will be intact.

I get that you and many others here, and throughout the football world, hate Aaron Rodgers. Free Country, do as you please.

Blaming Rodgers and Rodgers alone for everything that has not happened over the last 12 years (SB victory) is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty. Hate him if you want, but Aaron Rodgers is a big reason why this franchise has been so successful over the last 18 years. That's a fact my friend.

Good article today by Bill Huber (hardly a AR sycophant ) it's a good read. Should make all Rodgers hating Packers fans take a second and reflect on why they hate him so much.

I agree but it would be not cool if we traded love and he went on to be a great qb on another team

Swisch you continue to think of these situations on an emotional level. The NFL is business, big business.

Do you think that Vince Lombardi or Mike Holmgren took any advice from the fans??? You think the Packers sell shares of stock because they want the fans to actually act as shareholders function in a real for profit corporation???
They want to raise capital and send us their glorified thank you cards called shares. Those of us who have purchased shares have zero input into how the money raised during the sale is actually used. In fact the Packers have a strict limit on the number of shareholders any one person can own to deliberately prevent the from happening. See my post from another thread where I wrote about Shareholder rights earlier this week. We're fans, enjoy the games or not, end of story.

Speaking for myself I didn't lose any dignity during the 70s or 80s I'm certainly not going to lose any dignity over the Packers now.

As for losing dignity under Rodgers, that makes no sense since Rodgers isn't in charge of anything. It's Murphy, Gute and MLF who have had multiple opportunities over the years to end the drama with Rodgers. They could have let him go to FA at least twice since Gute has become GM or they could have traded him at any time since Rodgers has never had and has never asked for a no trade contract. Instead they have signed him to increasingly expensive cap eating contracts. Which brings me back to my point about the NFL being a business.

Murphy and Gute are businessmen. At least they are supposed to be in terms of negotiating contracts with their players. On the other side there is Rodgers the businessman and Rodger's agent, also a businessman. Based on the results of the contracts offered to Rodgers since 2018 the Packers businessmen are having their butts kicked by Rodgers and his agent. In fact what we see from Packers management in handling Aaron Rodgers is a microcosm of what we see from the team on the field. A poorly managed, poorly prepared, poorly led team with little sense of urgency, physically weak compared with their opponents and little to no mental toughness to deal with adversity in critical games and situations. We see stupid decisions by players pushing medical personnel and another player pushing the ball around before it is snapped for an FG. WTF??? decisions on the field similar to the WTF??? decisions we have seen from the FO and the coaching staff during the Murphy/Gute era.

As for us the fans we're not part of the negotiations with Rodgers or anyone else that goes on at 1265. We are literally nowhere in this process. As fans we choose to watch the games either at Lambeau or on a monitor somewhere. We cheer, we boo, we grumble whatever, we go home or we shut off the TV and we're done.

If we're losing our dignity over any of this we should not be watching and more importantly we should not be fans of the team. We have numerous other choices that we can make regarding which team to be fans of and which form of entertainment we choose to attend or watch from home. so if anyone is losing their dignity that's on that person not on Rodgers. Any of us can choose to walk away any time we want. Rodger is not holding a gun to any of our heads or to the heads of the Packers organization. The FO are adults, they're responsible and should be accountable for their decisions. That's just reality in both life and business in the real world. If they're not accountable or won't be accountable that's on them. The essential problem is no one is holding Murphy accountable.

In the end this too shall pass. It is a temporary situation. Rodgers will either be traded, or retire, and be out of Green Bay one way or the other. Even the 70s and 80s were a temporary situation, although we didn't realize it at the time. Packer football will go on without Aaron Rodgers for better or for worse. Whether or not we enjoy it or lose our dignity over it is an up to each of us as individuals. Thanks, Since '61

I think the focus was one ones emerging, at least that’s how took it.

I think we forget Wyatt. He was improving rapidly late in and already an upgrade on Lowery

Tina, please ask stock.

"What's Love Got to Do With It"?

Love lost his only start in what was his rookie season, basically (remember 2020 was lost b/c of injury).
Studying for 3 years under one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game is an irreplaceable experience.
We will never know whether Love can handle 17 games until we play him for 17 games. End of story.
We made a commitment to AR. So what? I read somewhere that his contract is designed to accomodate his volatile future with all of the option bonuses and other options. People change their minds. Players often get cut before their contracts expire. Heck, Rodgers doesn't even know if he wants to return to GB in 2023!

Also, Love looked very good this season. I don't think there is any game that Rodgers played (other than perhaps the Cowboys game) that we could have won without Love. Rodgers, for a guy who is supposed to be playing like an MVP, did not do very well.
In a trade with Denver, we probably could have even done better this year had we received all the draft picks and players Seattle did.

I do not hate Rodgers; I actually like him very much. However, just as we had to move on from Favre and just as other teams had to move on from Montana, Unitas, and Manning, we need to know when to move on.
Going with Rodgers for 2023 will drive us into a future ditch and establish us as a bottom feeder for years to come, not to mention being uncompetitive in 2023.

We need to get out of the mess we are careening headfirst into while we can. Trade Rodgers, dump Jones, Bakh, and Smith (for cap reasons) and get younger and rebuild for a year. Then, we'll see

Just stop with the love hate

23 million over cap without signing our own fa’s

I almost wrote a similar post, Leatherhead.
This roster (assuming we restructure-and-return a few of the vets) is still capable of winning the division. We may no longer be the favorite, but there are a lot of good players returning. Honestly, I'm much more concerned about the coaching.

Okay, so far...I got one down vote. Hmmm, this may be tougher than I thought? Can down votes be used for a #12 jersey and up votes for a #10 jersey. Not sure how this works...

Asking for my nephew. We're not real close, but he is blood and I would like to get him something.

Okay, nitey night... don't let the bed bugs bite.

Nooooooooo! Hell, nooooooooo! Don't throw that out into the universe dobber! :)

My guess is that Leonhard either takes a year off or goes to USC. I think it is likely he remains at the college level. Maybe he even wants to be a HC somewhere, who knows

That would really suck when we are stuck with mlf’s buddy barry

Taking a TE early is a Need.
Find the game changer at #1 first.

Yes, the Andrews reference has brought back bad draft memories. Kincaid as a high two pick. Some have him going round one. If he is gone, look at Tucker Kraft. They need a separation guy more than an Inline blocker. Get another guy later in the 4th -5th.

4th and Inches...