Amen CW... IF the Packers make that deal then I think you've hit the nail on the head which is actually even SCARIER!

IF the Packers sign Rodgers to an extension then my first question would be, if you couldn't even get out of the Divisional Round, win one rat ass game, with THAT roster, then how in the hell are you going to pay Rodgers that money, lost several other players while doing so, and win it next year or even the year after.

Maybe it happens in 2023 if they can shove EVERYTHING into future VIOD years, and the HIT on EVERY draft pick this year.

God I miss Bob Harlan and even Ted Thompson...The HEALTHY version of Ted. One thing would be certain... There's no way Thompson would even entertain signing Rodgers to an extension and putting the Packers in harms way for the future.

Mark Murphy was at the helm and Gutekunst in the wings with a front row seat when the train left the station.

I don't think courage would be the issue with those two. They've been there, done that, and have first hand experience on what to expect.

If there is hesitancy on the part of the front office, it's likely either because they truly want to keep Rodgers (which I don't believe is the case), or it's because, as another poster submitted, maybe the board is applying pressure to keep Rodgers.

I don't find either likely; I think we are watching a chess match. There is posturing going on. I believe (and hope) the Packers AND Rodgers already know they are parting ways; they're just going through the dance of presentation that it's a horrible breakup that neither wanted but both ultimately concede was inevitable (which I don't believe for a minute, but it's all about saving face for all involved.)

I agree with that, AND I agreed with the team's decision. I was never a big fan of MM and was glad to see him go. I feel different about AR and hope he could stay, but I don't think it's possible and a trade would be best for him and the team.

As the ego of Rodgers has grown ever larger, his accomplishments as a team leader have grown ever smaller,
Yet he doesn't seem to get it.
I was hoping this season he would grow, but it doesn't seemed to have happened to any significant increase.

The problem is not only just 12 even 17 falls short in the play offs. If we take last night as an example you could see that whole world knows that he is going to throw to Kupp and still Kupp delivered.
I think it's better we move on from both Adams and Arod and start building for the future.

His favorite color is a beautiful mystery. Thanks, Since '61

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Since ‘61 can say whatever the hell he wants.

The problem is the whole team chokes. Sometimes it's the Qb sometimes it's the defense sometimes it's the WR's and sometimes it's the ST's.
That has been the story with Gb these last 11 years. Atleast 2 units choking in the game either offense and defense or defense and st's or offense and st's.

The Lion’s forum said the same things and applauded the trade of Stafford. It turns out Stafford wasn’t the problem.
This was the most balanced I’d seen GBs offense and defense in a long time, but ST seriously regressed this year. ST has always been weak, but rarely have they ranked 32nd in the league. I think folks tend to look for a simple answer to complex problems, but the answer lies in a well balanced team across all three aspects of the game, and that requires a complex solution.
I personally think Gutenkunst and company really worked this year to continuously optimize the team, but failed to prioritize the failings of STs. I think the Front Office will find a solution, complex as it is, and bring the pieces together. I don’t pretend to know what that solution will be, but I think the team can and will get better.

The OL WITH LT(BAK) healthy, Jenkins , Myers, Nijman and Turner would be OL, problem it has not happened.
The Elite DL has kicked the Packers OL butt all over the place. We have a #1 WR in Adams and the rest are #4's. Our TE's are not close to what the Eagles had when they were imposing their will. We have a hammer Dillon and a pretty good second in Taylor yet ML does not use him when hurt. ML is poor at in game changes. He needs someone else gathering info during the game to come up with effective changes and honestly needs to give up calling the game. AR is pretty poor at spreading the ball around and get's much worse the higher quality the opponent gets. The Defense is missing a FS who is fast, really good nose for the ball and is rock solid tackler and a stud DL next to Clark. On Offense AJ is a weapon, Adams is a Weapon, and Dillon is a load to stop. We are missing a very good TE and a #2 WR who is good enough to be a #1 after Adams leaves. The rest are pretty Average.

I agree about they wouldn't show their hand, but they also don't have to say anything publicly. Why state your preference unless you want it out there for the reason to negotiate a better trade deal?

Thats just hate talk. He won the MVP. Not Stafford. And the officials gave that game to the rams.

4th qtr comebacks don't tell the whole story. If a qb is that great then why did they fall behind in the first 3 qtrs. Most of the times packers don't fall behind like lions do, so i dont think that's a fair comparison.

Agree. Rodgers just holds all the cards including whether or not he'll accept a trade or just retire, and the franchise' future direction lies in his hands whether we like it or not.

Why would you do that? Two words:

Separation Anxiety.

Johnny Hekker holds the ball for Extra Point and FG attempts for the Rams.

The D will be reworked. If Adams gets Franchised. It will be the nail in the coffin for this defense.

So we’re going to give AR a better contract for more years and let him keep his friends? So like a sound business move. I see no scenario where Cobb and Crosby are on this team next year.

"He knows he fails in the big games."
I'll probably get downvoted - no big deal - but no, I don't think he knows that or thinks that - nor do knowledgeable, non-vindictive fans.
He did not play particularly well v the 49ers, and i get that the last offensive play was quite frustrating, and puzzling.
But he's actually been quite good in the postseason over the years.
That narrative is getting out of hand.

Your right dobber, This isn’t the NBA where you can just dangle players, especially one’s that contracts are about to expire, and get a value trade. That is a very infrequent happening in the NFL. Unless the FO is bluffing I expect to see Arod retire as a Packer. I’m fine with that, as you stated, without him we are not a SB contender. I prefer to be SB contender as long as possible and then rebuild. With Rodgers if they can keep a strong OL and DL/Edge they will be contenders. I also think P. Smith will be one of 5-7 current players contacts that will be extended to help bring down the cap.

If AR is concerned what happens with 17, won’t the dominoes start to fall with the decision to tag or not? Doesn’t that start to happen next week?

Agree as to the principle you espoused.

P and Z Smith are not reasonably likely because GB can't trade them until the new league year starts. That means they cannot reasonably alter their contracts to effect cap relief (as far as I know and from what Ken Ingalls said on a podcast with Andy Herman - Pack a day). The scenario would be for Z to take a huge pay cut with GB, for GB to work out a trade with an acquiring team, for Z and the acquiring team to agree on a new contract that rips up the one Z just signed with GB, and hope Goodell doesn't disapprove the contract. That's close to conspiracy theory scenario. GB would have to keep Z with a $28M cap number and then trade him. Very tough to do. Probably could only do it with one big cap relief target.

Lowry would have a $5.9M cap number for the acquiring team. Not all that attractive to the acquiring team, in my opinion, to warrant also giving up a draft pick to get him. There will be other $6M IDL types in FA.

I think Aaron Jones is extremely possible (just $800K in negative cap space if the timing is right - namely traded exactly on March 17th). Turner is possible. There may be others.

CW....I used to think differently. I'm still a believer in draft, develop and find value in FA, not big splash FA plays. The funny think about this, is that three years ago when we went out and signed the big 4 splash FA's, Z & P Smith, Amos and Turner I said, in addition to Rodger's contract, that was going to put us into SC Hell and I was downvoted many, many times. I was totally against it. What did we get from that? One pro bowl type of year from those four players over three years. You could argue there wasn't a bust signing as well. Was it worth it? I would argue no, we could've saved a lot of SC dollars and received close to or similar play by using those SC resources elsewhere. We certainly wouldn't be in the 50M negative today.

That said, we are in the position, and I'm disgruntled by it, but nothing you can do but cut players and rebuild. I just think when you have "the QB" you ride them as long as you can while they are healthy and able to lead at a high level. Rodgers has shown that with back to back MVP's. I firmly believe he has 2 - 3 excellent years ahead of him. We can rebuild later IMO.

LH....that fear is an interesting take....yes human's resist change and are afraid of fear, but, you are on the side of the majority of this site. Move on from Rodgers....I tend to disagree, not out of fear, more about what gives us the best chance of getting to the SB.

Nothing against Love. Do you really think we are going to find another HOF QB right after we move on from another HOF QB? Highly unlikely.

Good perspective, Leatherhead.
Also, we don't need Love to be a hall-of-fame quarterback to win.
We do need a good quarterback, perhaps a very good one, but one who focuses on all of the attributes that go into the making of a top quarterback -- including leadership and coachability.
To me, that quarterback could very well be Love. I think he can do it. If not, then someone else.
Let's make the move.

I believe Favre retired in 2008....then un-retired...then traded...then Retired from the Jets...then un-retired...to the queens ...then.... I endured that NFC CH Game @ Lambeau. Rodgers would have given the Pack a better chance of winning with his mobility, but I digress. Rodgers first year Starting the Packer should have ended 10-6. The Defense choked away 4-5 games after # 12 bought them the leads.

And if AR stays, future rebuilding will lasts longer and will be harder to watch.

You have to understand that many of the Packers stars will be running away from Green Bay if rebuilding will last longer. They will not extend their contracts and will get new contracts with contenders, not with bad team. And you'll have only draft to improve yourself, because only leftovers willl be willing to sign with Packers, just JAGs. So after several year of SC Hell, you will have Jaguar level of team, that even future HOF QB (like Mahomes) will not stay on the roster, but he will run away to be QB for better team.

If Packers push the money to void years, that money will be counted on the SC, which will reduce your possibilities to build contender and build another great team capable of winning SB.

I hope that many of you have kids who are already Packers fans. They will be angry and sad one day because their fathers did vote to reduce Pakckers ablity to build strong team and left them to be another "factory of sorrow".

As I remember, only two players (Davante and Aaron Jones) got all the targets from Diva except 2 other throws, both incomplete. Second, how many of those 29 passes was thrown away because DA or AJ was not open? So, if you calculate some other possibilities that was took away - like taking the sacks instead of check option throws, you'll find the Davante Adams had more than 38% targets.

Also, I may be wrong, but Cooper Kupp did not have even one target in the first half of the game. His main damage came in the 4th Q when he has man to man coverage, or zone defense in front of him. Both TD came in the last 3rd of the game. And take in consideration that Packers have less tries (because of very often 3 and outs) than LAR and that Packers D was much more time in the 2nd half on the field than LAR D.

So, using statistics to prove something is OK, but when you interpret stats you have to take in consideration lot of factors to be sure your conclusion is correct.

You did not mention how many passes had Stafford.

They have Marketing power with "their" Brands and get rewarded financially. We can be assured of the inevitable Fall of the Hero. It's Been that way since the time of Classical Greek Theatre.

Remember that when someone argues that NFL player contracts should be 100% guaranteed.

Hey Knock! Yeah, he’s destroyed one full season for me personally, and I think he’s on the wrong end of the winning spectrum, if winning championships is the goal. Now, it’s looking like management is all in on blowing up the team to keep the guy around?

Goodbye Defense. Goodbye future. Not a whole lot more to talk about.

Hoping it’s just trade posturing, but, they might be stupid enough to continue making the same mistakes while expecting different results.

Aaron’s an exceptional thrower of the football, sometimes… nothing more. His own personal agenda appears consistently to be more important than that of the team as a whole. Just my perspective.

We’re $50M in the hole. A lot of good players will no longer be Packers next season, if they keep the albatross. I see him more as that very encumbrance in the way of the Packers reaching their ultimate goal, if that is indeed to win another Lombardi Trophy.

Is he all of a sudden going to be better this season? It doesn’t work that way, 12 years later.

What he does have thou is a 46M SC if he doesn’t renegotiate his current contract. That alone provides him some leverage.

Ok thanks, I was unaware he didn't have an official no-trade-clause. But yeah, he has no-trade leverage.

The bottom line is Rodgers is going to get exactly what he wants. Murphy, Gute, the Executive Committee, MLF are all afraid of him. They don't want another Favre fiasco.
That's why they were quick to let it publicly be known that they were all in agreement that they wanted him back with the Packers.

Rodgers thinks he's the Michael Jordan of football, but he's not. He couldn't even beat the Steelers in XLV for his lone SB ring without a nick collins defensive TD. Eli Manning has more SB rings than Rodgers. In fact, Eli Manning outplayed Rodgers in 2012 game at Lambeau and went on to win SB that year.