Gut Reactions: Packers lose in embarrassing fashion to Bucs

Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers 34-20 loss to the Bucs. 

  • The Packers are who we thought they were. 
  • The first down the defense gave up on 2nd and 18 finally broke me. 
  • If this defense doesn't get a sack, it's over. 
  • Aaron Jones. Nice to see ya buddy. Would have liked to see more. 
  • Tough one all around. 
  • Jordan Love once again missing too many easy ones but then making a couple incredible throws. 
  • Kinglsey Enegbare with a great play to take the ball away. 
  • Van Ness also had a good game. 
  • Thought TJ Slaton played well. 
  • Wicks was fantastic as well. 
  • Watching Rudy Ford asking what the call is as the ball is snapped and then having the defense give up a back breaking touchdown - just brutal. Though good hustle at the end. 
  • Can't believe we get to watch this team on the next two holidays. Going to be fun. 
  • Going to be a tough week in Titletown. 
  • Have to keep perspective here. As tough as this will probably be down the stretch, this is almost exactly what I think most honest observers would have expected coming into this season. An uneven team, filled with young talent, that we hoped would show signs that they can build a contender around in the coming years. As tough as today was, I still think they're in a good spot looking foward. 
  • If they completely revamp what they're doing on defense. 
  • Go Pack. 

 

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:10 pm

The only real hope that comes out of a loss like this is that MLF will actually look at the wisdom of retaining Joe Barry and decide to move on.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:25 pm

Ok, so the guy that kept Pettine, hired Mennenga, Drayton and Barry will still be running the show. What will that get us? 9 wins off a certain to be last place schedule??

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packerbackerjim's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:32 pm

When asked about change at DC in the post-game presser, MLF said “ Now is not the time”. True, 2 years ago would have been nice.

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Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:38 pm

Maybe now is the time to fire MLF.
Though we would lose continuity, we don't want continuity from the last two games.
Bye bye Barry.
Farewell LaFleur.

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bullsa21's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:53 pm

Now is not the time? Well when is the time? There are very few adjustments made on defense! Chris Godwin running free all game with Campbell in tow why is the LB on the receiver in first place?

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jlc1's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:18 pm

"Now is not the time" is progress. It suggests he has actually thought about it.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 09:56 pm

Lmao but😭

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EnemyTerritory's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:48 pm

Not really fair. Barry made a nice pregame adjustment to stop the run. It is far too much to also expect that he plan for a passing game. Packers fans are overly demanding.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 09:57 pm

Obviously sarcastic.

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Aldo's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:45 pm

It's too late. Joe Barry has destroyed the 2023 Packer defense.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:12 pm

Again, I’m so sick of allowing QBs to have career days against our D. I want the Bucs DC. No rushing 3 while dropping your DBs 12 yards. Instead he brings the house, Love gets sacked and fumbles. Game over.

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ricky's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:27 pm

The fumble had no effect on the game. Once Love was sacked on that fourth down play (which seemed to be all the receivers going deep, so Love was forced to hold the ball too long), the fumble really didn't matter, except for aesthetic reasons. But as far as Barry's defense? He needed to go last year. But anyone thinking of replacing him in season, here are your choices for his replacement. https://www.packers.com/team/coaches-roster/
Anyone jump out at you as a solid replacement?

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:00 pm

Nope. In fact I am not sure if I want any of them other than Clements.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

December 18, 2023 at 09:30 am

I'm good with the ball boy calling the defense at this moment... Can't be any worse.. But why is anyone surprised that Barry sucks? 0-16 Lion's D-Coordinator.. Yup Barry... Wasn't good in Washington.. but oh wait he will suddenly look good in Greenbay...

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:12 pm

Bucs 10/11 on 3rd down. Considering the rest of the season, how does Barry stay?

Sorry. Misheard Wayne on the radio. 7/11. The question still stands.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:40 pm

"Sorry. Misheard Wayne on the radio..."

Wayne had a fairly error-free day today, although my bar for him is quite low these days. I laughed out-loud at his description of a would-be pass play where he said (reflexively at this point) "Mayfield throw over the middle" then revised because the ball hadn't been thrown. Poor guy, just a collection of rote phrases held together with skin.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:12 pm

I listened to the Pack on one earpiece and had the Bears/ Browns on the radio while driving so I’ll blame myself for that one. But I know what you mean. Still would rather listen to them over anyone else!

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:15 pm

Agreed, and the Bears came through!

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:58 pm

They nearly won. Dude had the Hail Mary in his bread basket. Don’t know how he didn’t hang on.

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Coldworld's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:13 pm

Everything LaFleur said couldn’t happen after repeated by Barry. At this point LaFleur is a joke as a Head Coach and Barry should just pick up his things.

There’s no point now in not giving someone else a chance to gain experience. Our D couldn’t be meaningfully worse designed and called than it has been twice this week.

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Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:18 pm

It doesn't seem as though there's much to lose, if anything, by firing Barry.
Let's go into these last three games with someone different coaching the defense, and seek for improvement.
***
If we win the last three games and one playoff game, maybe LaFleur stays.
If not, he probably should go, too.
***
Barry gone now; we'll figure out LaFleur later.

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jaxpackfan's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:37 pm

We'll figure out LaFleur later? Who put you in charge?

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Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:41 pm

If fans can't have opinions, why are any of us here?
By the way, don't you think Murphy is feeling the pressure from the fans about his coaches?
Fans do make a difference -- though with the Packers, maybe not enough.

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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:08 pm

NO!
I don't think Murphy is feeling any pressure. He's content to sit back, patting himself on the back, thinking he's created a Real Estate empire that trumps the fact that he ruined a football team.. He's a moron!

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HawkPacker's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:39 pm

Agreed. We know that Barry has to go and LaFleur apparently does not so as far as I can see, we can show him the door as well.

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marpag1's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:13 pm

Everyone likes to rip on the defense and that's totally legit. But it doesn't change the fact that the offense just isn't good enough, either.

We're OK for a rebuilding year... better than okay, IMO.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:14 pm

The offense was suppose to be able to lean on the D this year.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:03 pm

And didn't we all giggle inside when we said that?

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Coldworld's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:15 pm

Offense was fine today. Not much covers that kind of D.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:40 pm

20 points isn't really too fine...

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DocHoliday's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:55 pm

Offense missing Watson, Musgrave, Bahktiari, and Dillon. Having to constantly rely on different skill players every week.

Defense is clearly the top problem. Constantly watch Packers score and then Barry defense gives up easy scores. Barry was never the top choice for DC and we have all seen why. When announcers are saying Packers defense may be the worst in the league it is time to for the DC.

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marpag1's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:55 pm

Especially when the offense is gifted a possession starting on the Tampa Bay 4 yard line, and they still score only 20 points, and the average points per game in the NFL this year is 22. But I'm told this is good enough, I guess.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:08 pm

When the D gives up 3 consecutive TDs to open the second half, in the fashion they did, no offense has a chance.

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marpag1's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:53 pm

They had an excellent chance to score more than 20 points, but they did not.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:05 pm

Wouldn't say gifted. We created that fumble.

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marpag1's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:55 pm

True enough, Tundraboy, but the defense created that fumble, and I'm talking about the performance of the offense. I said, " the offense was gifted..."

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Tex49's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:16 pm

Offense had some life, D was listless and lost

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Since'61's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:14 pm

Bad loss! Gave up over 450 yards playing at home. We should have seen some improvement by this point in the season. Team is going backwards.
Defense is allegedly focused on stopping the pass but allowed 353 yards passing. Then at the end they couldn’t stop the run even on 4th down when everyone knew Tampa was going to run the ball. Something needs to change.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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packerbackerjim's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:38 pm

Baker Mayfield with a perfect passer rating.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:08 pm

If that in itself isn't an indictment of this whole defensive staff I don't know what is. 👍

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Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:14 pm

If Barry is fired after this game, as of tomorrow, then it'll be worth the loss on the field.
What would be extremely painful is going ahead with Barry.
If Barry is gone, I think it'll be a lot easier for players and fans to get up for these final three games.
***
In any case, do not give up on any of these last three games.
Try to win out, and see how the playoff picture unfolds.
Regardless, win for the sake of winning.
The Packers don't do quitting!!!

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:30 pm

Barry will undoubtedly be fired after the season, unfortunately LeFleur will be back. And that’s the bigger problem.
MLF & his assistants:
Kept Pettine
Hired Mennenga
Hired Drayton
Hired Barry
And his offense is sloppy, mistake prone , slow starting and inconsistent. Even in the 13-3 seasons it was mostly Rodgers and close games.
It’s an insult to bring MLF back and I think players like Alexander and Bahktiari know there is no chance here.

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Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:36 pm

SinceLombardi, I think you're right about LaFleur not being the future for the Packers.
I'm starting to think it's the right time to fire LaFleur as of now.
Could it really be that much worse if LaFleur and Barry were not on the sidelines next week?

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HawkPacker's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:42 pm

I agree. I did not listen to his after game comments but he said that now is not the time to dump Barry??? I say we dump his ass and he can take Barry with him. How much worse can it get.

Everyone blames the defense. We have good players just a piss poor DC.

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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:20 pm

I, too, agree!
I think the fact alone that MLF thinks "Now is not the time" is reason enough to know he's incapable of being a quality head coach and he should be let go too, tonight!
He's more loyal to his buddy than he is to his team, the players, and the organization, fine, take a hike Matt!

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:10 pm

Wouldn't miss them honestly.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:25 pm

They will go 1-2 in the final three at best. The Bears will beat them in the final game, even if it’s win and in.. it’s not pessimism, it’s just reality

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Tex49's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:15 pm

On 3rd and anything the D gave up anything + 1

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:30 pm

anything +5

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:19 pm

Lmao ,true

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:19 pm

It's their , #$$#$ middle name!

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lkcsmith's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:15 pm

What happened to Gary? Too busy counting his money after the big contract?

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crolson1964's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:58 pm

Right along with Kenny Clark

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crolson1964's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:58 pm

Oh and Jaire

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:48 pm

Ask the geniuses who extended him...

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:31 pm

Gary was all over the place. You is the watching a different game.

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Fubared's picture

December 17, 2023 at 09:40 pm

Who said he was a premiere pass rusher. The sad fact, the Vikes got denile hunter 15 sacks this season on the cheap. They cut him and he said he would come back for less money to stay a vike. And we got Gary who is fat and outa shape

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Lare's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:16 pm

You have to give Joe Barry credit for one thing, he is consistent.

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Bure9620's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:16 pm

I have been called a Barry defender at times due to pointing out point totals......this loss is on the defense and Joe Barry. Just simply atrocious game plan and poor effort. Baker Mayfield had a passer rating of 158.3.....which is perfect....absolutely embarrassing performance from this defense. Just absolutely embarrassing. Time to move on.

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White92's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:18 pm

Thinking Barry may need a security escort tonight

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Lare's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:23 pm

He may want to keep his dog in the house tonight.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:42 pm

I don't think his dog likes him that much either!

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dobber's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:46 pm

Last time he tried, the dog evaded his tackle and ran 40 yards to hump the neighbor's poodle.

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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:23 pm

At least the dog succeeded, more than you can say for Barry and his defense.

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Norm's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:09 pm

Just keeping with the Joe Barry mantra of "screwing the pooch".

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dobber's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:44 pm

WINNER!!!

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:31 pm

No, the good old Packer faithful hardly booed . That’s half the problem.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:22 pm

Maybe that's why MLF made that post-game statement, he didn't want to incite anything. Nothing else makes sense.

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pack1487's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:18 pm

I don't get the line of thinking that this is who we thought they'd be coming into the season. Record wise, probably but I think most observers agree that the offense would take time to gel and the defense would carry them early on. The complete opposite has happened. It's embarrassing and Barry needs to go. The defense has cost them many games this year and with those games, they're in the playoffs.

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Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:22 pm

Good point in that it's necessary to look past the record and see what's going on in the games.

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PackfanNY's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:19 pm

As the late, great Kevin Greene once said “it is time”. Joe Barry must be gone. Planning a revamped defense (whatever that looks like) must begin TODAY.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:33 pm

Season is over. And even with a good defense, do you really think MLF is the right coach? He’s a young Lindy Infante. Country club rules, dumb calls, lots of losses.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:08 pm

and soft...he contributes to why other teams call the Packers "soft"....

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:53 pm

He fits in with winsome...win some...some will win...

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Dragon5's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:19 pm

Seinfeld "The Opposite" run starring your very own GBP is now 5-0. Can't say I feel defcon 3 again yet, but if we lose to CAR next week, particularly in all three phases, it might just bump to defcon 2.

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tobinrote's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:21 pm

on two of the Bucs TDs to wide open receivers there was also another receiver completely open in a blown coverage; so Mayfield had not one but two easy choices to make. thank god i unloaded my tickets for this one and will do so for the remainder. it is not that there is bad D; it is that there is NO D. i guess when you have the DC who oversaw the Lions 0-16 year you got your qualifications to end up in Green bay secure year after year. and i still do not think Love is the answer; too many routine throws he cannot make and then he makes a perfect one just to remind you, that something is wrong with his basic preparation. time really to clean house

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jhtobias's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:23 pm

So this is what it looks like when defensive players quit on your Coordinator and head coach remember this in Capers last game against the Vikings or Lions i believe .

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:23 pm

It doesn’t really matter anymore. 85 games in to the LeFleur era and it’s painfully obvious what we have.
Tired of missing Watson, tired of hearing about high picks on defense. Honestly, Campbell, Walker, Stokes, Nixon, Owens, and Ford could never start on a decent defense. But it doesn’t matter. Joe Barry could screw up the 85 Bears.
But it starts and ends at Matt LeFleur.
How did the Giants do today after embarrassing Green Bay?
You can bet Tampa won’t score 30+ next week.
My biggest problem is I know Matt LeFleur will be back in 2024 and we will be at 8 or 9 wins at best. Even if Vic Fangio ran the defense. Until LeFleur is fired, nothing, absolutely nothing will change. Only the Green Bay Packers need more than 85 games to reach that conclusion.

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Lare's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:26 pm

Nothing will happen to MLF and Barry until Mark Murphy leaves.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:35 pm

The danger of being sold out all the time.. never a sense of urgency when all the seats are filled

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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:32 pm

I've said that same thing for a long time.
Murphy will retire leaving the team in shambles before he'll admit his mistake by firing his hand-picked boy, LaFleur.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:25 pm

I didn't enjoy the game today. In these trying times, I find solace in the words of the late John Madden. Madden said, "It doesn't matter if the horse is blind, just load the wagon." How true those words ring today, and everyday for that matter.

There is a collection of talented young athletes in Green Bay. Some of them play football for the Packers. It would be best if they were provided with structure and guidance to be successful. Always remember, as ye sew, so shall ye reek.

Relieve Joe Barry of his coaching duties, please.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:10 pm

I think some of the talent is not as great as fans want them to be...some wouldnt start on other teams...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:34 pm

Seek, and ye shall look. Look, and ye shall be arrested. Get arrested, and ye shall get what you sought (sort of).

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:01 pm

Ah, yes, Incarcerations 4:19.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:27 pm

Monty Python like!

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cinpackback's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:33 pm

Well said.

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Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:25 pm

If Barry is fired tomorrow, and the Packers win next weekend, then all of a sudden things seem a lot better for the Packers.

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mnbadger's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:34 pm

If jb's fired tomorrow, win or lose next weekend, everything will be better.
GPG!

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Lphill's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:25 pm

When they traded Douglas with Alexander and Stokes on the shelf that pretty much said Murphy packed it in.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:40 pm

Stokes is mediocre or hurt since his rookie season. His first game back and he did what exactly?
Part of the problem ( besides Barry and MLF) is the belief in so many players that just aren’t winning football type players.
Watson can’t catch passes in street clothes, where he’s spent about half his career, Campbell sucks, Walker doesn’t play like a top pick, in fact he’s invisible, stokes sucks, ford, savage, Nixon ?? You’re not winning with those guys on your starting 11.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:06 pm

Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.

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PhantomII's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:17 pm

Pretty sure that was a Gute idea of a good trade from the horses mouth.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:27 pm

This team is young, but that isn't really the issue anymore.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:29 pm

Hasn't been for quite awhile.

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Lphill's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:29 pm

Can’t wait to see the Green Bay reporters lobbing softball questions to a smiling Joe Barry

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Starrbrite's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:30 pm

Barry deserves an extension—Defense gave up only 452.
The wide receiver group is talented and exciting.
Our TE’s are gonna be outstanding.
Love completes impossible throws—and misses throws impossible to miss.
D’Vondre fooled us—he’s a liability.
Go Packers!!!

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dobber's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:34 pm

Campbell is a couple years and a few soft-tissue injuries away from his big season. He's not the same player he was that year, but that was lightning in a bottle. There was a reason he was available...underphysical, slow the ball, not nearly what he used to be in coverage.

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Starrbrite's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:36 pm

Right on Dobby.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:32 pm

True,yet somehow I feel if we totally changed the defensive coaches that would rejuvenate him. Same for some others.

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Dragon5's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:42 pm

Starrbrite, I warned CurdNation 3 months ago re: Campbell...

Dragon5

September 06, 2023 at 11:51 am

"With the youth movement, all ROOSTERS sans DeVondre Campbell have been purged from our roster. He is the vet most likely to encounter health / performance issues for '23."

CAT year...CAT & ROOSTER = enemy signs

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Starrbrite's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:02 pm

Yes you did Dragon, and I remember it. You were right on target.

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Guam's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:31 pm

The inside linebackers were in bad matchups most of the game and Barry made no adjustments. The DBs spent the day in zone and the Tampa receivers found every seam and Barry made no adjustments. The few times Barry blitzed, it seemed to work, but then he stopped blitzing.

Worst of all the defense seemed to quit late in the game, likely because they had no faith in the scheme and knew they were going to get beaten.

LAC fired Staley, can Lafleur actually be a head coach and fire Barry? This week will be interesting.

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dobber's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:32 pm

Everybody points to Staley being fired, but watch out: he's got a relationship with LaF. He could be the next DC.

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Guam's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:20 pm

Not my first choice for our next DC, but he would be better than Barry.

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BAMABADGER's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:43 pm

My first question is... who is Staley's wife related to?

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dobber's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:31 pm

For once, the run defense didn't kill this team...but Mayfield took whatever he wanted today. It didn't matter who he was throwing to, but he made money between the numbers today. Tampa punted once. Defense had plenty of opportunities to get off the field, but just couldn't do it.

Tampa made the adjustments to slow down the Packers offense...Packers made no adjustments to slow down Tampa. That says it all.

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MooPack's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:37 pm

"For once, the run defense didn't kill this team."

No need. Tampa has one of the worst run offenses (29th, 90 per), but still managed above their average.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:51 pm

" Tampa punted once."

And, what a punt is was; a boomer with backspin!

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stockholder's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:31 pm

I say savage and Stokes messed this Defense up.
And if you're happy with Slaton, Wyatt ,and a Rookie.
You Got Rocks in your head. Maybe Barry does.
Because this Defense is terrible over the middle .
Wicks was your #1 Wr Today and maybe the future.
And Gutey finally broke the 3rd round Jinx with Kraft.

3 points
7
4
dobber's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:36 pm

Savage was inactive today.

5 points
5
0
stockholder's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:40 pm

I know , But he played last week.

-3 points
2
5
Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:38 pm

Yes, but he was there in spirit and was an inspiration to his teammates. They played just like he does.

2 points
2
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BAMABADGER's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:46 pm

so was stockholder.....

1 points
1
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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:38 pm

"Gutey finally broke the 3rd round Jinx with Kraft".
Yes he did, living proof that "even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while".

-1 points
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jannes bjornson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:16 pm

Kraft is a better TE than Musgrave. His Film showed. Musgrave was injured most of his final year in college, less reps than Kraft over three years. Kraft should have been featured down the stretch and work to the gold zone. We end up with another fourth and forever conundrum. The Fullback scored for Tampa. You need bad asses on your team if you want to establish a physical presence.

-1 points
1
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stockholder's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:02 pm

Thisteam still isn't being built right from the ground up.

1 points
1
0
CheesePuff's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:32 pm

I cannot believe the Packers were favored by 3 points. That said, I thought the team put in a strong effort, with some strong individual performances on both sides of the ball. The problems with this team IMHO rest primarily with substandard coaching at all levels. But again, good enough as far as Mike Murphy and the Executive Committee are concerned. BTW, I noticed the Giants, who dominated the Packers last week, were obliterated by the Saints today. gpg.

7 points
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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:46 pm

Tampa has been as bad as the packers this year. The 3 points was the standard home field.
Of course the Packers shit the bed.

2 points
3
1
Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:40 pm

Who's Mike Murphy? Is He related to Mike McPuffy, the Packers' former coach?

-2 points
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2
ko40489's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:34 pm

If Barry isn't fired tomorrow, then MLF should be. And Murphy, how about you pay some attention to what's going on with the team instead of trying to build your legacy on the development of the Titletown district and bringing the 2025 draft to GB.

8 points
10
2
dobber's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:38 pm

This might be what it takes--getting schlocked at home by a mediocre team when you're playing to maintain playoff positioning. If LaF has made a decision on whether or not to retain Barry for 2024, letting him go early is no loss.

4 points
4
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CheesedDeadHead's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:37 pm

It's Deja Vu all over again. Everybody on the planet. including Mo Drayton's mother, new Drayton was way overmatched as ST coordinator. Not Matty "we'll look at film and see what needs correcting" LaFleur. Well what happens is you lose a home playoff game in embarrassing fashion because your ST screws up while being led by a Coordinator who couldn't correct clocks on day light savings time changes.

Insert Joe Barry above, and remove the playoff loss and here we are again.

To me there is no greater damning evidence that MLF isn't capable of functioning as a Head Coach in the NFL than the Drayton/Barry fiascos.

15 points
16
1
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:47 pm

Add keeping Mike Pettine for two years and hiring Shawn Mennenga before Drayton.
If Gutekunst doesn’t fire MLF, it will be a reflection on his overall success as a GM

0 points
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1
CheesedDeadHead's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:59 pm

I thought Pettine should have been done after 1 year, but he wasn't as horrendous a DC as Barry. Drayton made Mennenga seem ok. I get your point and agree somewhat, but what is really concerning is that people who can't get the obvious issues right, rarely get the nuanced and less obvious issues correct.

1 points
1
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Guam's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:24 pm

Gute can't fire him, Lafleur reports to Murphy.

1 points
1
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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:46 pm

Gutey CAN'T fire MLF, everyone reports to Magic Mark! It's the Power Monger Murphy way!

1 points
1
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jannes bjornson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:25 pm

Gutedkunst should scribble on his own piece of pink parchment during the ritual appeasement to the Fans...

-1 points
0
1
CanPackFan's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:32 pm

Gutes can't fire Barry. Only Murphy can. Such is life with a lazy executive as President who would rather develop property than build a good football team. July 2025 can't come fast enough to see his lazy ass retired. It seems we always have to wait fat too long for obvious change to happen in GB. Urgency to win just doesn't exist here...

1 points
1
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Packerpasty's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:38 pm

Defense sucked but MLF's offense isn't anything to write home about..20pts......Love looking much like a journeyman qb....so one more year to get his footwork and accuracy improved...I have my doubts but there is no doubt he gets one more year, whether I like it or not...they just dont listen to me up there at Lambeau!!!!

-1 points
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PackfanNY's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:39 pm

Just look at all those HIGH draft picks on defense . Our offense is developing nicely. No it’s not perfect but it’s loaded with young players and getting better. The Defense? Gets worse by the game. Why? This Organization needs to take a look at every aspect of said Defense. Player acquisition, player
Development, player coaching. All of it. Today just highlighted a problem that has existed for a while. It must be addressed.

10 points
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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:51 pm

Am I the only one that thinks that the players on defense are no better that the coordinator?
Seriously, Clark is decent, Gary is decent, Wyatt may be, Enegbare is ok, Valentine is fair, but stupid and sometimes Ballentine and Owens make a play. That leaves a lot of players that are nothing special at all.

1 points
3
2
Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:53 pm

SinceLombardi,
I've thought about that, and when you look at all the high draft picks on the "D" are they all busts? Did all the other 31 teams and the Draft Gurus have them overrated in the draft too? There really hasn't been any BIG surprise reaches considering how they were rated. It's gotta' be poor coaching is where I stand.

4 points
4
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jannes bjornson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:33 pm

I would say quite a few are over-rated and the evaluation process flawed, but to show the level of incompetence we saw today in the secondary, ILBs standing in glue reading and a so-so pass rush, you have to look at the motivators. letting Douglas walk was not a good move. The draft now takes another CB from the top end. Kleen Haus !

0 points
1
1
NJ-RICK's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:43 pm

I've been saying it all season they need to make changes in the front office, MGT has failed this team. Poor drafting and lack of free agents, and throw in the team is in salary cap hell for the next two seasons. I don't want to see Gute make another draft selection in Green Bay. Especially our #1 pick, I don't want to see another Non -starter in College selected. This team is a mess, and the veterans on the team are now showing signs of frustration and lack of commitment. MGT needs to go.....

-3 points
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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:43 pm

Am I wrong or did the packers secondary only defend 1 pass today? Everything else was over/ under thrown or completed.
And Carrington Valentine gave us a celebration after that one play he/they made all day.
That’s the culture of the Matt LeFleur led Green Bay Packers

7 points
10.5
3.5
Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:59 pm

Rick, we're screwed.
Murphy re-arranged the FO so that he holds all the power, everyone reports individually to him, and he's a moron, so.........
He'll be forced to retire in July of '25, and if he had any decency he'd retire well before the draft so the Pack could re-build the organization before the draft, but I'd bet against that with him being the ego-maniac that he is.

0 points
0
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Grimm's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:13 pm

I was thinking the same thing. In fact they didnt even blow guys up after the catch (within the rules). Iv never seen such a passive pass defense. It like they never contested any passes. Baker just tossed it one of the many open receivers. Soft Soft Soft!

1 points
1
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cinpackback's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:42 pm

How do you get a half of a thumb up and down?

-1 points
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1
nagawicka's picture

December 17, 2023 at 09:09 pm

Nope, more than one.

0 points
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HawkPacker's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:45 pm

'The Packers are who we thought they were. '

The defense players are fine, it is the F'n coaching that has screwed the pooch.

Dump Barry now and if LaFleur doesn't agree then show him the door.

We made their QB look like an all pro.

8 points
10
2
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:53 pm

Sorry, Campbell gets lit up against the run and pass every week. Walker is certainly not making an impact in year two, Ford, Savage , Nixon and hopefully Stokes won’t be here in 24.

3 points
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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:56 pm

No, no, no. The personnel are not good. Clark can't be one's best DL. Ditto Campbell or Quay. Ditto Valentine. Ditto Rudy Ford. Ditto Tom. Ditto Watson unless he is actually playing. Again as to Jones, if he is healthy. Not sure about Jordan Love. Gary can be the best OLB.

0 points
0
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HawkPacker's picture

December 18, 2023 at 06:33 am

TheGreatreynoldo, I am shocked to see your response. If their personnel is that bad then how did they happen to beat both Detroit and KC so convincingly?

0 points
0
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NFLfan's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:46 pm

"Injury' count will increase.

1 points
1
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splitpea1's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:47 pm

This is not a serious football team as long as Joe Barry is employed--just pitch and catch to the middle of the field over and over...Yeah, the defense got a couple of big sacks, but then promptly gave up a ton of yardage on the next play to either get in FG position or to pick up a much easier first down.

I liked the effort by the front end of the defense, especially Clark and Slaton. But the LBs and the secondary, I think they were just beleagured and worn out as the game dragged along. The last TD by Tampa, well, we had two defenders crashing into each other, and the receiver blowing by what, five others on his way to the end zone? Keystone Cops all the way.

It would be nice if somebody, either player or executive, would express some public displeasure with the character of this defense. It's admirable to be a loyal soldier, but when it's obvious you're getting embarrassed by stubbornly ineffective scheming week in and week out, someone has to show some courage and call it as they see it. Rock the goddamn boat--it's okay to be frustrated.

8 points
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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:55 pm

I think Alexander is speaking without words. But he’s another one that celebrates down 14 with three minutes to go.

3 points
3
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MooPack's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:47 pm

I'm interested in what the Pro-Barry posters have to say about this latest fiasco. Truly. I know you're here based on some down votes and some stat posts. But why? I'm really curious as to the thinking behind your defense of this defense. Without pointing at LaFleur or the offense. No bait. No response from me. Just tell me your reasoning.

2 points
3
1
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:57 pm

I’ve never heard of a pro Barry poster. I have heard some people say the offense is not much better sometimes, but realistically the best you can say about him is they won a couple of games with him employed here.

2 points
2
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grbfrog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:48 pm

Joe Barry frustrates even my dislike for him. I wanted him gone last season like most. But then this season, with a defensive secondary at times of Valentine, Ballantine, Nixon (who has been a pleasant surprise to me- I expected him to be bad as a nickel), Johnson, and Ford, the man turned in some credible defensive performances despite the occasional Barry moments. Gotta respect that. But just when I temper my dislike, we get this game. Frustrating. I do feel confident that he is not a championship level coordinator so if that is the goal, then a change must be made.

2 points
2
0
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:34 pm

That pleasant surprise basically cost the NYG game on the last drive. Needless to say he’s been a huge disappointment on ST too.

1 points
1
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HolyPack's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:53 pm

LaFleur is soft, Barry is soft . The Packers are a soft team.

15 points
15
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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:14 pm

And Packers and Soft should never go together, win or lose.

0 points
0
0
Rhah's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:55 pm

Fire Barry!

6 points
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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:58 pm

Fire the guy that kept Pettine, hired Mennenga, hired Drayton, hired Barry.
No more bandaids , we need stitches.

5 points
5
0
joejetson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 03:58 pm

Anybody notice how after Van Ness got his sack, Barry took him out? They showed him celebrating on the bench before the D gave up another first down.

6 points
6
0
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:05 pm

I noticed Valentine celebrating the only pass the packers knocked down all day. They had been roasted and he celebrates. Very next play , pass interference on Ballentine. Now this was late 3rd or 4th quarter.
I believe that speaks to this team’s culture.
You’re getting your ass kicked, coming of an ass kicking last week, your season is minutes from going down the shitter ( his play the last two weeks didn’t help ) and he’s celebrating.

0 points
0
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BAMABADGER's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:53 pm

He had an Alexander moment.

0 points
0
0
Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:06 pm

Touche' Bama, great call.

0 points
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barutanseijin's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:05 pm

You or i wouldn’t celebrate after a lone pass defended, but in today’s NFL,pretty much every player is going to.

0 points
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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:08 pm

Niether would happen on Bill Cowher's team.
I wonder what it would take to get him out of retirement? Hmmmm?

-2 points
0
2
Wilment's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:08 pm

wow, where to start? Defense for the second week in a row came up microscopically in a big game. Lets be real here, the past two games have been playoff scenario games. if we win both, we jump the vikings and still got a shot at the lions. conversely, lose both, and we can pretty much dream about next year. LaFleur ripped Barry last week, and now, its time to show him the door. with the draft capital spent on that side of the ball the past three or four drafts, we ought to be seeing dividends. Continued improvement by Kraft, nice to see AJ back, and Love didnt have a bad day . The lack of urgency shown by the defense was really telling . Very sloppy uninspired play by the defense, outside of the efforts of Van Ness, Clarke, and Kingsley. GoPackGo, show Barry the do'......

8 points
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Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:11 pm

Ah, Keke's been gone a long time.

-1 points
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1
pacman's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:15 pm

I took a break before posting to see if there was anything new that anyone else had to say. I see not.
Barry should just resign and not wait to get fired. Do they allow hari-kiri in GB? Did you see how quickly TB was on our guys on the dump offs.

How does this team beat Detroit and KC and lost to the Giants and TB??? Look at what happened to Giants today (L 24-6).
This comes back to MLF. The team is a mess mentally and planning-wise. Sometimes it gets lucky. That's it.
We won't win with MLF. And it is going to take more than 2 wins in a row to make me reconsider that this time.

Love isn't terrible and he shows general command but he is just too inconsistent. He has some good games but that's it. Who knows what's next with him but we will probably be seeing him next year. But he probably is not going to get that big contract he was hoping for.

Did they fire Barry while I was writing this?

7 points
7
0
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:19 pm

No LeFleur just said now is not the time. When asked why not, he just mumbled about viewing tape and blah blah blah.
Fire them both, get some linebackers and see what 2024 brings.

1 points
1
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CanPackFan's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:42 pm

No such luck! He's probably hiding out at LaFleurs place getting their excuses ready?

If not hari-kiri, maybe they still allow a good old tar and feathering? I would settle for a good firing and a boot in the a** with a steel toed boot!

0 points
0
0
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:15 pm

So LeFluer just defended Barry in his press conference.
Any doubt about who needs to go?

6 points
7
1
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:16 pm

Barry is a symptom.. MLF is the illness.

2 points
3
1
Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:13 pm

Nope!

0 points
0
0
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:21 pm

Even more embarrassing than the score was :
LeFleur’s press conference after the game.
Damn, it’s hopeless. Hopeless in 2024. That is really sinking in now. What a shame.

3 points
5
2
Norm's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:21 pm

Bryce Young about to become the NFC Offensive Player of the Week for week 16.

2 points
2
0
SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:33 pm

I’m sorry Aaron, but I don’t believe we are in a good spot going forward. You are assuming that if Joe Barry is fired , that one MLF will pick a decent DC?
Are you forgetting the terrible offense in about 7 games this year? About 12 LAST YEAR?
And based on Two years of Mike Pettine, hiring Shawn Mennenga, Mo Drayton and Joe Barry, what exactly makes you optimistic about anyone MLF hires???
The ONLY optimism I have is that minuscule chance that Gutekunst realizes we have a handful of decent players and fires Matt LeFleur before 2024.

0 points
2
2
Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:19 pm

SinceLombardi,
I am not an MLF fan, but I do remember that when MLF got the job and wanted to hire Darren Rizzi as ST coordinator Murphy refused to cough up the cash. Maybe Murphy's real estate holdings aren't making the Packers enough money to hire good assistants. And pigs can fly!

0 points
0
0
Fubared's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:59 pm

I agree and I also IMO think the Love you see now is him. What you see is what your getting and he aint gonna be any better next year. I truely think LeFluer planned an O around Love mostly handling the ball off and throwing shorts passes for first downs and the backs would do all the work.

-1 points
0
1
Allutpa's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:37 pm

DoVito was sacked 7 times today and giants got 6 points. Just saying

7 points
7
0
BAMABADGER's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:57 pm

Obvious the Packers D wore out the Giant offense Monday night... Sarcasm for you that have no sense of humor.

2 points
3
1
jyros's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:37 pm

The two past wins against playoff teams the Defence looked stellar from the front line to the linebackers covering the gaps to the DB’s and safeties flying around making great plays running tight coverages. It looked as if everything was coming together at the right time for a playoff push. Since then… WTF! The front line is playing well enough but Barry’s not making necessary adjustments. The linebackers are steps behind where they should be. D. Campbell looked like he was running in sand. Previously, Isaiah McDuffie played much faster in the middle and DB’s are back to playing soft coverages. Making the playoffs is out of the question now. It’s time to move on from Joe Barry. The player talent is in place on the field the Coordinator’s talent is what’s lacking.

3 points
3
0
Packers0808's picture

December 17, 2023 at 04:57 pm

The Barry Patch has been way over picked, plants are bare and time to empty the Barry Bucket!

4 points
5
1
Qoojo's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:09 pm

Inconsistent team is inconsistent. Defense is consistent in its inability to get a stop when required, or like today, simply couldn't get off the field. Forced one punt.

2 points
2
0
Houndog's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:28 pm

The worst part of all this is that LaFleur obviously feels untouchable. What owner of any team would watch these past two games and NOT fire the DC, the HC, or both?
Time for Murphy to get off his dead a$$ and fix this mess. If LaFleur doesn't want to fire Barry, tell him "Fine, pack your shit, it's been nice knowing you" !

6 points
7
1
Dragon5's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:23 pm

Murphy is not concerned about titles, only (consistent) revenue.

2 points
2
0
Green Bay Shareholder's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:37 pm

Need an Indoor Skiing and Golfing Center next W / statues of Don Hutson and Johnny "Blood" McNally near the Entry Doors !

0 points
0
0
Fubared's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:55 pm

Dam right joe. its more about money for the pack then championships. They lack a deep pocket owner who is willing to pony up to the bar for free agents to plug holes.

0 points
0
0
Fubared's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:53 pm

Next year LeFleur and Gutt and Murphy will all be gone by the end of the season.
I cannot see how this team can win six games with that defense and the fact the bears lions and vikes will also be much better and their young guys, lots of them, will be better too but Love wont.

0 points
0
0
Fubared's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:56 pm

You forgot the "dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" .

0 points
0
0
cheesycowboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:31 pm

Hope All is better and pizza with the kids still happened Friday. GPG.

0 points
0
0
Aldo's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:37 pm

The Packers exemplify the definition of insanity by keeping Joe Barry as defensive coordinator. I'm done watching until something changes. The "Keystone Cops Defense" is anything but funny.

4 points
4
0
Swisch's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:20 pm

Unless Barry is gone, it's going to be hard to watch these last three games as a fan.
If Barry is still around, I would guess it will be extremely hard to get motivated as a defensive player.

0 points
1
1
jannes bjornson's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:56 pm

Barry did me a favor taking the 3.5 points.

0 points
0
0
Green Bay Shareholder's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:38 pm

Still have Direct Deposit for the Game Checks though.

0 points
0
0
Aldo's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:54 pm

It's perfectly obvious, there is no accountability on the Green Bay Packers coaching staff. Beyond pathetic!

0 points
2
2
relleum61's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:24 pm

There is a reason that I have nicknamed to GB defense "The Manage-ables" all year long. No down, distance or time frame is unmanageable for the opposition offense against a JB defense. How many _____ & longs were there today? How many did Baker Mayfield convert. The BM QB rating of 158.3 suggests that he converted almost all.

The contrast was the TB defense. Jordan Love had a decent game (rating 111. 5) Jordan Love had the Packers moving on offense in their last two drives. Both drives were stopped when the TB defense executed perfectly executed blitzes in both situations. Net result: 3 total points and no hope of a wild comeback. We never see that from a JB defense.

This is just one reason that the first seasons of Love and AR as starting QB's are eerily similar...both were hamstrung by passive defenses. Will MLF fire JB like McCarthy fired Bob Sanders? Does MLF have a choice at this point? We shall see.

5 points
5
0
CheeseEdWest2's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:04 pm

And not just passive, but predictable. TB seemed to have a scheme where receivers could just settle into the hole in coverage they knew would be there, drink a cup of coffee, catch the ball, and take off for a hunk of YAC. Painful to watch.

1 points
1
0
NFLfan's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:32 pm

I notice the same problems on the Jets:

- 1 or 2 guys with giant egos running the show.
Packers----Murphy
Jets----------Rodgers/Woody

Neither Saleh not LaFleur have appropriate authority.

Both teams show foundational issues as a result.

-1 points
1
2