I said this on another thread, but I'm going to be that guy and repeat it because you referenced it too, Nags: "All of that said, this team is being held hostage by a quarterback they paid handsomely."

THIS. This is what I meant when I said it was going to be hard for this team to be likable and everything had to go right for them to be even better than mediocre in the annual pre-season CHTV fan poll. They suck. They're old and bad. And unlikable.

Green Bay very well could be 3-9 going into Chicago in December.

I'll always love the Packers, but this is what happens when you pair a descending team with an old 50m QB and a 25m LT whose knee doesn't work anymore. Unfortunately, having a brain as a fan of a losing team is like having a person you love who has a problem and just won't listen to reason. The best thing you can do at times is call the spade what it is. Then, either cut them off or tell them repeatedly they have a problem and hold them accountable.

The Packers have a problem. They should have traded 12 in the offseason and now they're going to be bad for a very long time. They're getting what they deserve. In hope they recover as quickly as possible, I hope they continue to lose so badly that 12 will retire in the offseason. That's the only way out I see for the next 3-5 years.

And if that doesn't happen? This team will suck for years and everyone in the building will be fired before the healing can begin in 2025 or 2026.

This team is pretty bad. But on the positive side, they'll be getting a top five pick in the draft next year.

I bleed Green and Gold. I wear Green and Gold from the glory days. I survived the 70s and early 80's without slitting my wrists. At this moment, I'm feeling demoralized like a damn Bear fan.

Buffalo salivating at the wings the Packers will be made into.

the worst part about the illegal contact penalty on stokes was the announcers doubling down and talking about " point of emphasis". what is wrong with this league? why would something as petty as illegal contact be a " point of emphasis?" you know why the refs only called it 37 times last year? because in their hearts, they are football guys too, and they dont want to call that garbage. so shut the fuck up dean blandino, mike perrara, all you assholes stop trying to tell me how to feel about bullshit penaltys. Even the zebras know that this is professional football, not fantasy football. these refs and there "points of emphasis" are terrible for the sport, the point should be, let em play ball, and call the blatant shit. get rid of all this petty crap. the problem is, these rules are not to make the game better, theyre to pad offensive stats and make money. fantasy football makes money. the safety rules are an entire other debacle. theres plenty of rules put in place just to keep the lawyers away. with that being said, this teams broken. they got a bunch of calls that helped them last week and still lost.

Well, Aaron, I agree with you regarding thumb. If that thumb is large problem, sit ACR. what can you lose? Game vs Washington? You lose ir this way the same manner.

Maybe this lost game will be final wake up call! There was no much accurate throws from Packers today...

- They're just not a good football team
- How many times do you see guys on defense standing around watching someone else make tackle and the runner goes for an extra 2-5+ more yards?
- WRs are beyond depleted at this point
- Still need more Jones. It's not 1a and 1b as discussed in offseason. Jones is clearly better or the offense is clearly better with Jones this year.
- Starting CBs make the all talk team.
- AR off target
- WR drops

- Not Cap-ologist but what is the dead money hit next year for AR and Bak not playing with the packers?

- The defense seems tame.

"The Packers are bad on October 23rd. That doesn't mean they'll be bad on November 23rd. We'll see."

I'm sorry Aaron but you're all wrong. This team is HORSESHIT on October 23rd and will be fighting for a Top 5 draft pick on November 27th after losing their 8th straight game to be 3-9!

. Definitely discouraging.

. It's hard watching this offense.

.I'm trying to think of a team that's currently playing worse than GB right now? Houston?, It's not Washington anymore, because they just beat us.

. Doesn't help that Bakhtiari is back on the bench.

. Fire Rodgers as a punt returner.

. The troubling part is BG put a hurt on our future to field this team, ouch

. Buffalo game is going to be ugly

. Well, at least we'll beat the Bears again...right?

Yeah, it’s the refs’ fault they lost. But didn’t the refs gift GB a couple first downs on last TD drive?

im also starting to feel like 17 was the mvp the last few years, not 12. The O line adjustment actually worked today, but 12 couldnt hit the deep ball, lafleur kept playing aj dillon, and they got away from the creative shit they were doing on the first drive. as for the D, joe barry actually did what all the fans wanted. he played man, and he blitzed. and it failed. so maybe we dont know everything?

im also starting to feel like 17 was the mvp the last few years, not 12. The O line adjustment actually worked today, but 12 couldnt hit the deep ball, lafleur kept playing aj dillon, and they got away from the creative shit they were doing on the first drive. as for the D, joe barry actually did what all the fans wanted. he played man, and he blitzed. and it failed. so maybe we dont know everything?

Sometime the pain of desperation is the only way to get real change.
We saw some moderate measure of change when the Packers were so lacking in healthy wide receivers near the end of the game, that Amari Rodgers and Toure were able to get on the field -- with each contributing a catch, and an especially good one by Rodgers.
Now the questions are about potential big changes with the coaches. Do we fire anyone? Who do we replace them with? How does it all work with our $50-million quarterback?
How much do we change just to change, figuring it can't get any worse? How much do we change because we have a better alternative?
It seems this very day is a turning point in Packers history because of change, or the lack of it. Doing nothing is a decision in itself.

38 to 12. Those are the numbers for number of rushing attempts by the two teams.

At the risk of posting the same thing I did last week, I will. Out coached. Defense played a good first half, but being on the field 44 of 60 minutes wears down defenses. Offense continues to be offensive. They kept Rodgers from getting hit, but couldn't block on the run Rogers continues to toss to the deep threat that we dont have Im mailing a dozen cans of stickum to the wide receivers in hope that they put it to use. WE NEED A DEEP GUY . Doubs may turn into that guy, Watson may turn into that guy., but they arent yet. Cobb is no longer a deep threat. AL isnt a deep threat, and Watkins isnt that guy either. I love the packers, but this team, from the coaches down, need a big kick in the ass. Shout out to AJ, Cambell, and Smith for playing big today. Go Pack!!

My expectations were so low heading into this game. Was hoping for a spark, improvement, someone to grab the effin reins and when Campbell stepped up, I thought we'd turned a micro corner. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Looks like I picked the wrong season to quit sniffin' glue.

I am desperately looking for any kind of positive vibes to hang onto this season and I'm coming up empty.

Rodgers deserves a lot of the blame, but the receivers have bricks for hands. Yosh's holding penalties were brutal. Aaron Jones is great when they feel like giving him the ball, which is far too seldom. The defense comes out strong but gets gassed easily; a lot of this is a lack of complementary football on offense, but they also give up way too many long drives in the second half. Simply put, there are substantial and inexplicable execution issues at every single position.

As much as the players deserve blame here (and Rodgers in particular as the team's leader and reigning NFL MVP), though, I'm looking to the coaching staff and the front office at this point. If you cannot get a team with this much talent on both sides of the ball ready for game day week after week after week, that's coaching. The roster deficiencies that do exist, which are not sufficient to explain the Packers' ineptitude but clearly do not help, have not been adequately addressed by Gute and company. I don't think there's an in-season fix here, but anything is possible, I suppose.

I didn't expect the season to be this painful. I'm bitter and angry. If this was how this "all-in" season was going to turn out, I wish they had gotten the king's ransom a half dozen teams would have paid for Rodgers and started the rebuild around Love while we have some cheap years left on his deal.

This offense has now scored 24 points in their last 10 quarters. That's 2.4 points per quarter. Or 9.6 points per game over that stretch. Against the easy part of their schedule. With a 50 million dollar QB and the highest paid LT in the game who rarely plays.

Let that sink in.

3-1 Passes to Runs. The Coach is a Moron. Bench Rodgers and put in Love, he might hand-off the Ball?

Thought it was telling one of their(our) biggest gains from scrimmage of the season by our offense came on the last play where we resembled a scene from The Longest Yard (the good version) only to see it potentially get called back by a silly foul. And yet this is what the organization appears to be on the field , i.e. a group of clowns and likely as well off it as with the suits and Polos. Judging by the improved O line play guessing Stenavich was more hands on this week?

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I'm not sure if I just watched a simple football game or a remake of The Picture of Dorian Gray - featuring A. Rodgers

How about we let that thumb heal for a while, eh? Aaron Rodgers to IR and let’s see how Jordan Love runs the offense.

Hey, it was a nice debut for Zach Tom.
Seriously, he looked pretty good for a somewhat-last-second rookie debut at LT, a position nobody outside of the organization ever projected him to play.

It's too bad Nijman looked grabby out there; would have been a really great moment to see if both Zach and Nijman had great days today- to know the future bookends are already up to the task.

Reshuffled O-line held up pretty well, but two holding calls on Yosh were costly.

I wonder if MLF will remind us post-game that we should have run more? A. Jones, Dillon: 12 attempts, 38 yards.

The secondary is confused or AWOL at times. Amos and Douglas played well, but Stokes has taken a giant step backwards. Receivers were far too open in the short perimeter, and on one occasion running free in the slot.... Jaire not thinking when he failed to push a WR out of bounds late in the game--it may have cost us a chance at a game-winning FG.

At least Campbell cashed in on one of INT opportunities Heinecke gave us in the first half. Agree about Preston Smith.

Rush defense sucked, ditto with third-down defense. The Barry nightmare continues....Only one sack, and lost TOP 37-23.

Amari should be cut after Cobb returns. And you can't keep sending him out there to muff punts, which cost us three points this time.

I wouldn't have minded seeing Love late in the third quarter--at least he could have maybe converted a third down with his feet and brought a spark to this pathetic offense, which by the way, is mind-numbingly predictable (no surprise).

What's the rush to see how the team responds this time? Expecting something different?

Next week, Buffalo should sit their starters in preparation for the playoffs.

No owner nobody gets fired , Green Bay coaches have the longest job security in the NFL .

First: I blame Gutey. This all started by paying Bahk. I don't care if he's an All-pro or not. He should have been released.
Second: You have to have a "veteran" starting OL, when you have Rookie WRs. What burns my butt is starting Tom at LT.
Why move Nijman? When Bahk is Done! The Lab experiment continues. Leaving a Sore thumb QB on eggshells.
Three- We all knew Amari Rodgers wasn't the answer!
Four- If you run the ball just 12 times with a QB that has a Sore thumb. Trade for a RT!

Packers just keep beating themselves with penalties and dropped passes. The offense has become unwatchable. Rodger is not throwing well but he still made his best throw of the game while on the run on the TD pass to Jones in the 4th quarter. Maybe we should move Rodgers to make throws more often. Given Rodgers overall performance so far this season we're basically watching how the Packers look without Rodgers. It's not very pretty or positive.

The defense continues to drop sure picks and takes penalties on what should be game changing plays. We're losing to QBs who are back from the league's dustbin. It doesn't look good right now and I don't see it getting any better with our coaching staff and our upcoming schedule. Thanks, Since '61

The game against the Bills next week will be a rout.

Yes Rodgers isn't playing well. A bunch of Jag's at receiver. No star difference maker. Sure miss Davante.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/23/aaron-rodgers-im-not-wo...

And the Captain of the Titanic said, "it's only ice; can't hurt us."

Been a fan since wearing my 1967 NFL-AFL Championship sweatshirt and I haven’t watched one second of GB this season because they brought back 12.

Told you …

The Packers may not win another game this season.

Nailed it Nags. What a crap show again this week.

Yet another loss. MLF and his Coaching Staff are Idiots. Trying the same stuff today that hasn't worked all Season. MLF has lost this Roster. The Defense at least at times have tried very hard but when you're out on the Field 40 Minutes out of every game, you get tired you make mistakes. I thought I was teleported back to the 1970s when Scott Hunter and Jerry Tagge were the Quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers hasn't played much better than that Illustrious pair this Season. Back then we weren't expecting a possible Super Bowl bid and a possible #5 Defense. Amari Rodgers may as well become a Receiver since he can't be a reliable Returner. He can't be worse than the Clowns they have out there on pass patterns now. are now 3 and 4 after 7 Games. Even if they were really good they probably would still lose to Buffalo but now its going to be a Massacre since we have a QB who can't throw better than Hunter or Tagge and no Receivers to speak of outside of Doubs. Coach LeFluer, now is the time that you really NEED to do your Job. If you keep letting the Team do whatever they want, we'll be out of the Playoffs before the 2nd Week in December!!!!!

How they should respond...
1). Trade Rodgers before the deadline. Last chance to get out of his ridiculous contract before it's too late. Time to see what Loves got and draft another if he's not the answer.
2). Fire Joe Barry and let Jerry Gray run the D until Jim Leonard is available.

What a shit show. Held hostage by a quarterback they paid handsomely is right. QB12 can't elevate the play of others around him like Brady can. He's an average QB at best without Adams. Time to use that money (as well as Bahk's) and surround Love with loads of talent.

Wonder if Aaron lost all his mojo when he had his hair cut? Another Samson?
What was LaFluer conferring and listening to his special teams coach? Looked like he took input before making a decision. Who is the head coach?
Wonder if all that Zen training has mellowed 12 and he is too centered?
This team gives no signs that it can fight it's way back, all the other teams keeps losing too, so weirdly we are still in it.
Maybe Aaron should get back with Danica?

Maybe this IS who they are: a mediocre below .500 team. Quite a drop off from three 13 win seasons and the back to back MVP. It's like seeing a whole new, bad team.

Was watching the past seven games ... Aaron cannot play with inexperienced receivers. He won't throw in the system. No wonder why he's asking for McCarthy era game plans

Is this a failure on the GM to not realize that?
Or on the coach?

Either way, bench him for "injury"
Start love, see what you have there
Worst case scenario- we get that high draft pick quarterback
Best case scenario we have something there

Either way, number 12 doesn't want to be here

"The lack of complenatary ball being played"

I disagree: they played a crap-ton of complenatary ball.

This team is going to get boat-raced in Buffalo next week.

Time to open the trade window and cut our salary cap mess. Take whatever is offered for Bahk. Demand a first or second for Aaron Jones. Offer anything to take #12. Do anything possible to reduce the next five years of salary cap hell. Start the interviews for the next coaching staff.

The rebuild needs to start NOW. Yesterday was the first of many daggers in any playoff hopes for this mess of a team.

My gut reaction is really more about 2022 so far. It is that you could see this coming from a mile away. The OL has struggled. The QB is off from the last 2 years. The defense is not the Steel Curtain-like unit we read about this offseason. The coaching has not been the same level as previously under ML. When you boil everything down to level of importance, the bottom line is that the NFL is a passing league. Success most often correlates to controlling that better on both sides of the field.

So none of those things seem as significant as the chickens coming home to roost over years of ignoring the warning signs in the WR room that were laid bare when Davante Adams was no longer int that room to paper over the overall lack of talent. After that NFC CG loss in SF in year 1 of ML, Gute ID'ed that issue. He should have gotten to fixing it then. Or maybe it would have been good enough to simply draft Terry McLaurin at #75 instead of picking Jace Sternberger and letting McLaurin go @ #76. Putting that guy on the other side of the field yesterday could have easily changed the outcome, IMO. This site was full of whistling past the graveyard as beating up on soft regular season opponents took more importance than the ugly playoff exit that followed each one.

How do I rate thee, let me count thy ways,
Thy pass d is pourous on so many plays,
while thine pass rush has struggled in various ways,
to get to the one who tends to make waves,
and the offense has wreaked oh these many days,
only to have its leader amaze " relax thy legions
next game in seven days"
Oh these men in green, shall know no bounds, especially the one that out, and will shout "who cares were being paid on Mondays

There's nothing wrong with his fn thumb. He sucked before he hurt it and he hurt it last play of a game they were losing. Hey he can bench sit just like everyone else. This bullshit of him holding him thumb is only when his passes got flubbed.
Gutt drafted our next hero in Love, lets give the reins to him and see how great he can move this team and let roggy relax his thumb.
Ya that wont happen

I think we're beyond the point of "easy answers" and "quick fixes" for the offense. They're bad at almost every level and you could argue that they're the most ineffective offense in the entire league.

If you want some sort of answer or fault, look squarely at Lafleur and Rodgers. They consistently hinder themselves with poor choices on the sideline and on the field.

Now "should" be a time for realistic reflection for GB management. Can this season really be saved? Should it be saved or is it too late? Should we admit the "all in" option - as it was planned and executed - has failed? With the trade deadline now approaching, one would think this to be an ideal time? And lastly, who is qualified to make those decisions?

This team is a train wreck and trending downward at an alarming rate. Do you really think one star WR will change it? Any one play could eliminate a star WR and put GB right back where it is now.

Its time to admit that all-in has failed and get on with a rebuild asap. Don't listen to the verbal rubbish coming out of AR or MLF. Trade Bakh and AR asap (either now or at the end of the season), take the dead money hits, and get on with a rebuild. The one big assumption here being that Mark Murphy and his "ship of fools" who orchestrated this shipwreck be shown the door. These people are clearly incompetent and have provided negative value to the GB football organization.

Go Pack Go. But "Go" with a realistic strategy and the right executives at the top!

Drop a pass—smile and drop another one—have fun!
Fumble the football—laugh and shrug you shoulders—have fun!
Lose three straight to subpar opponents—no worries—have fun!
It’s about fun—go out there and have fun!!