Gut Reactions: Week 8 vs Denver Broncos

Aaron's gut reactions from the Packers' loss to the Broncos.     

  • That, ladies and gentlemen, was a good, old fashioned ass kicking. 
  • This week on Tranplants, Corey and I both said we felt sure the Packers would work the short game on offense. We could not have been more wrong. The Packers came in basically trying to run the same long-developing routes they've (unsuccesfully) run for most of the year. Lots of receivers disappearing out of camera frame while Rodgers darted around the pocket looking afraid to throw the ball. 
  • Of course, Rodgers had little time to do much but look at his first read and then look at the pile of defenders in his lap. Hard to play offense that way. 
  • McCarthy. Clements. Rodgers. All three could use a wake up call. Hopefully this was it. 
  • On defense, Capers tried everything. When he saw that his guys were getting torched in man, he'd switch to zone. None of it mattered. Manning and Thomas were basically toying with them all night. 
  • I've never seen a McCarthy-coached team look this flat coming out of a bye week, road game or no. There was no juice from the Packers tonight from the opening kickoff. 
  • Lacy looked a bit better when he was given a chance, but again there were precious little daylight for him to run to and the Packers seem determined to make it as difficult as possible for him to get into a rhythm with their constant rotation in the backfield. 
  • Make no mistake, this goes on the short list of the worst performances of Aaron Rodgers' career. 
  • I hated the time out Mike took on defense prior to the Anderson touchdown and I hated that he didn't call a time out prior to the half to try and give his offense another shot. But that's just a personal prefference and I can understand why they were or weren't taken. (On the play prior to the Anderson TD, Matthews was out and they most likely wanted to make sure they had the call they wanted and everyone was on the same page. At the end of the half, Mike probably just wanted to get the hell off the field without his QB taking any more hits.)
  • That was one hell of an interception by Randall. Great job driving on the ball. 
  • Overall, however, all the rookie DBs, as well as Casey Hayward, got taken to school tonight. 
  • I got a lot of Tweets about potential trades. Sorry, but history tells you the Packers are going to have work through these things with the guys they have on hand. There is no calvary coming at middle linebacker or wide receiver. 
  • I loved the fire that Randall Cobb showed in the third quarter after one reception when he looked at the bench as if to say "Feed me the damn ball!" Collinsworth noted it on the broadcast. The Packers came back with a strech zone run that went nowhere. That pretty much sumed things up. 
  • Grand scheme: This game didn't mean much. When you're going to go 12-4, you have to lose 4 games. And it's a non-conference game that means nothing when it comes to playoff seeding. 
  • The same can not be said of next week's game against Carolina. 
  • This was a big time gut check. I'm interested to see how the Packers respond. 
  • Go Pack. 
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Idiot Fan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:50 pm

Well, if we're going to win the Super Bowl, we're going to have to be the first team in NFL history to do so with a regular-season loss.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:54 pm

Awesome.

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Wenis's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:51 pm

3 consecutive weeks of subpar play by the offense is taking its toll. Why does McCarthy always seem to get out-coached during the big games ?

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PackerAaron's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:54 pm

He was absolutely out-coached tonight. But he out-coached Belichick last year. Some days you just have it handed to you. Tonight, that was certainly the case.

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Horse's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Not sure that's entirely true. This was no bigger a game than the NE game last season and MM was great in that.

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ollie418's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:58 pm

Exactly

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:00 pm

Short memory.

I seem to remember an NFC championship game vs. the Seahawks less than a year ago where MM DEFINITELY out-coached the competition from start to finish.

Execution in the final 4 minutes? That's something entirely different. But MM had Carrol's number from kickoff all the way through.

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Wenis's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:08 pm

I don't know about that Oppy. We got the lead in that game and McCarthy turtled up, let them hang around and then had that patented deer in the headlights look when Seattle didn't roll over, came back and won it OT. This after a clutch FG by Crosby in regulation.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:15 pm

I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

Packers dominated the Seahawks for 56 minutes before a string of player errors led to a total meltdown. Execution.

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Funcrusher's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:11 am

I think you're forgetting just how bad our offense was. The defense dominated for 56 minutes, creating five turnovers and giving our offense great field position. Even with that, the Packers only scored 22 points.

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:03 pm

....Against the league's best defense on the road in the loudest venue in the NFL?

I don't see how that means MM was out-coached. Ignore the stats, watch the game, the Packers dominated the Seahawks until the players botched it all by themselves in the most epic collapse in 4 minutes in NFC Championship history.

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Funcrusher's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:03 pm

We can agree to disagree I guess. The patriots scored 28 in the Super Bowl with the only turnover being at the last second. If they're defense created five turnovers, they would've scored fifty. Packers offense should've put up more than 22 imo.

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Horse's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:53 pm

I wish I knew how much responsibility AR has in this ridiculous find the big play strategy against fierce pass rushers and good downfield coverage.

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:58 pm

When Cobb was lost for the season it was the Jordy Nelson Show. I'm glad Cobb is frustrated. I'd like to see if he can do it or not.

The one series when they dinked and dunked, it worked. Very frustrating that they didn't do more of it.

Not surprising that young defensive backfield looked lost. Very surprising that the pressure so rarely got home against a much maligned offensive line.

If they don't come out fired up against the Panthers then there is something deeper wrong with the coaching staff.

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Horse's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:03 pm

I'm giving this comment a 10 out of 10. On the money.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:16 pm

Hate to point this out to you, but the Packers ONE drive was helped far more by 2 Denver penalties than anything the Packers did.

It has nothing to do w/ being fired up. Its all about the lack of a deep threat on offense. Denver routinely had 9 and 10 defenders w/in 10 yds of the LOS tonite. Effectively making the passing lanes, even short almost impassable. Only way to beat it and change it is to find a deep threat. Maybe Janis, and at this point they need to try and hope like hell he steps up. But Adams isn't a deep threat, neither is Jones and R. Rodgers is a good possession receiver at best.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:28 pm

I wish they would have tried Janis. I mean 1 series wouldn't have hurt in this game. He is the one player on offense that can be a playmaker due to his speed and stretch the defense.

I am disappointed in the coaches that they didn't try that or anything different.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:38 pm

If the coaches and Rodgers don't trust him for even one series, what does that say about Janis?

But at this point may as well try and hope he gets it right.

Without a deep threat, all the short intermediate passes are getting shut down, not to mention the running game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:48 pm

I don't know what that says. To me it says they are either so stubborn in what they do that they can't adjust their offense to utilize the talent they do have, or that they purely think he isn't capable of playing.
My biggest complaint in this offense is they don't adjust fast enough to what defenses are doing.

To me when they were down and essentially out of it would have been a good time to at least try something different. At that point what does it hurt?

I agree with you that they are desperate for a deep threat. It's hampering the offense and they haven't figured out how to get by without that.

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NickPerry's picture

November 02, 2015 at 06:47 am

I'm with RC here, why not try Janis. I'm so sick and tired of hearing Rodgers doesn't TRUST him. He didn't trust Adams when he was wide open a few times last night. He seems to trust that slow ass TE with that goofy smile on his face all the time. Right now after that game last night the Packers have the 28th ranked offense, WHAT THE F DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE??? The Packers were terrible FLAT last night, but I have a hard time believing they'll win the SB with Clements and Capers running the Offense and Defense.

The Packers offense is obviously better than what they showed last night but how much better? They played 7 games, 6 against teams that combined for what 15 wins? Tom Clements needs to step away from the play calling, he's absolutely horrible. Again the Packers have the 28th ranked offense, 28TH!!! Other than Jordy Nelson missing what's different? If anything they should have been BETTER with Adams, Janis, and Rodgers in their 2nd seasons.
If people are going to hang this all on losing Jordy Nelson, then this coaching staff are terribly over rated. "Great QB's" and I think Rodgers is "Great" can win with who's on the field. Hell Rodgers won with Boykin and James Jones in 2013 when Jordy, Cobb, and Finley were hurt. Rodgers is 0-5 against a team with a top 10 defense in his last 5 games away from Lambeau. The SB isn't in Green Bay guys.

After the 2013 season I was out here in Los Angeles screaming at the top of my lungs SIGN WADE PHILLIPS!!! Now you know why. Pittsburgh kept a LaBeau disciple (Keith Butler) who added his own twists because he knew the defenses that LaBeau and Capers run were figured out long ago. For 5 years now we've watched the middle of the field be wide open without a Packers Defender within 15 feet (Or More) of the Receiver. Capers can't seem to EVER adjust to anything.

If I was TT I'd hire that little puke Jim Schwartz before someone else does for 2016. The Bills had a top 5 defense last year (2014) under Schwartz. Rex Ryan came in, got rid of Schwartz and now his defense is leaking. The Packers gave up 503 yards to Rivers and now made the 30th ranked offense look like the 2011 Packers Offense.

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D.D.Driver's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:00 am

Wow. This is such an epic rant. I love the passion. It's way too early to freak out. But it is alarming that the offense is as ineffective as it has been lately.

I was never a big fan of McCarthy stepping away from playcalling. He has guided one of the best offenses in the league for so many years. The change just didn't make much sense to me. A couple more offensive performances like this and Clements is on the hot seat. Might not be fair, but that the way it is.

That said, this is only one loss. Remember, the sky was falling in NE in last October. (Remember the calls to bench Brady?) Seasons have ups and downs. Let's not overreact too much.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:12 am

Come on Janis isn't the answer to this offense... let's call it for what is was...the O-line was dominated last night by Denver. They had 7 in the box and were able to shut down the run. It was the classic recipe for beating Rodgers, flood the passing lane and rush with a few. Most teams don't have the talent to execute this scheme.

I don't think any scheme or play calling change results in a different outcome. Denver won the one on ones. Even Rodgers said in his post game conference that they didn't execute the game plan. Teams can have an off night, remember when the Packers got worked by the Saints last year mid season? I expect them to bounce back fine.

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NickPerry's picture

November 02, 2015 at 05:19 pm

Again. what do they have to lose Spud. The guy is 6'3" 219 LBS and runs 4.4 forty. 2 weeks ago he caught a pass from Rodgers 40 yards down field and took another 43 on his own!! I didn't see a damn thing other than a fist pump from Cobb in the 4th quarter. 77 yards passing. 77!!!! This wasn't new just last night Spud, the Chargers, Rams, and Broncos all held them in check pretty well. Hell the Bears dominated the TOP in week one and rolled up a ton of yards and out gained the Packers. 28th ranked offense dude....Not Good.

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D Ernesto's picture

November 02, 2015 at 05:40 pm

Janis is not playing because he can't run the pass routes because the play book is too big for his brain. Otherwise why does Rogers insist he doesn't like the guy. He and Rogers are not on the same page and Rogers must insist he doesn't play unless he has too.

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NickPerry's picture

November 03, 2015 at 06:01 am

I understand, so we'll continue never to TRY and gain some trust with others and watch Cobb and Jones continue to struggle because that's all the defense has to worry about. After all, Rodgers doesn't trust them. ERRRRRRRRR!!!

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NickPerry's picture

November 03, 2015 at 06:01 am

I understand, so we'll continue never to TRY and gain some trust with others and watch Cobb and Jones continue to struggle because that's all the defense has to worry about. After all, Rodgers doesn't trust them. ERRRRRRRRR!!!

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lou's picture

November 02, 2015 at 11:26 am

Agreed, full trust or not, after watching 3 straight games where no one can beat man coverage, it's Janis's turn. Worst yet is the fact that in those 3 games the opponents continue to excel with a quick/short passing game and we continue the same approach that has failed. Last year they made a major change knowing Hawk was on his last legs, maybe it's time to consider another major move no matter which side of the ball. Being realistic, even the top teams have a "klunker" somewhere during the season where the entire team looks a count slow like last night. Even the best team ever in my opinion, the 1961 Packers were steamrolled by the Lion's on Thanksgiving Day. If we can adjust and beat a solid Carolina team, the spirit weill be back at 1265 Lombardi Ave.

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idgafkurt's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:30 am

@ Dan - I can't recall ever seeing a team play 8-10 in the box all game vs GB like Denver did. Just no respect for our WR's beating Harris or Talib. To me Phillips game plan of stacking the box was the key difference in this game. He embarrassed Clements and MM with that strategy. We couldn't run and Rodgers had pressure all game. I don't get why we didn't use more bunch/trips formation, take shots downfield, bootleg Rodgers out of the pocket, maybe some more screens, etc to counter Phillips game plan. Hats off to Denver I guess, just out coached us and out played us...

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:58 pm

When Cobb was lost for the season it was the Jordy Nelson Show. I'm glad Cobb is frustrated. I'd like to see if he can do it or not.

The one series when they dinked and dunked, it worked. Very frustrating that they didn't do more of it.

Not surprising that young defensive backfield looked lost. Very surprising that the pressure so rarely got home against a much maligned offensive line.

If they don't come out fired up against the Panthers then there is something deeper wrong with the coaching staff.

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Samson's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:59 pm

"This game didn't mean much."

Typical "homer" response when a team gets their head handed to them by the first quality team they've played all season.

You have to beat the better teams to be the best. Beating up on the Lions, Bears, etc. means little.

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Horse's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:04 pm

You have to get to postseason, get through the NFCCG and beat the other team in the SB. It's week 8. Chill.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:06 pm

The only thing that's 'typical' is your cry of 'typical homer'.

Let me explain it to you.

In the NFC, only one undefeated team remains, the Carolina Panthers, whom the Packers play next week.

Right now, ATL is 6-1 with an NFC loss, ARI is 6-2 with an NFC loss, the Packers are 6-1 with a flawless NFC record, and we play the (as of now until monday night) 6-0 Panthers next week, -who may be 7-0 or 6-1 with no NFC losses dependent on tomorrow night's game.

In other words, the Packers are still in the driver's seat for home field advantage, because they have the opportunity to go and beat CAR next week and take control of the NFC, regardless of tonight's loss. (The Packers would have no worse than a tied overall record with any team in the NFC, but would hold the tiebreaker with no losses to NFC opponents.)

Does "typical homer" mean "Informed analysis"?

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EdsLaces's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:14 pm

Atlanta has 2 losses my man.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:17 pm

Even more breathing room?
Sweet :)

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4thand1's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:30 pm

Funny how the assclowns show up after a loss.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

November 02, 2015 at 01:28 am

I'm a typical homer who picked the Pack by 23. Now I have egg on my face. I want to be held accountable for my over optimistic prediction so I will resort to spending a week on the dark side.

Capers needs to be fired. MM is consistently one of the worst coaches in the NFL and would be selling cars somewhere if not for Rodgers. TT is a fool who let the greatest TE prospect on a generation go because of some minor drug issues. We need a QB like Kaeperneck because ours sucks. This team is such a piece of garbage I pick the Panthers next week 28-3.

Why don't I feel better?

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Kyle Graham's picture

November 01, 2015 at 10:59 pm

I'm not ready to jump over the edge, we were outplayed tonight. I had this chalked up to a loss at seasons start but that doesn't mean I wasn't disappointed. One thing I wish our offense would do more of is throw the 5-7 yard slant. I think James jones would be perfect for that kind of play.

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JerseyAl's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:00 pm

Glad to see everyone commenting on the game plan. It was horrendous. Didn't understand it from the first series. I really thought they would come out with something different off the bye. As Aaron noted, instead we got the same old offense that hasn't been clicking against the best defense in the league. #MakesNoSense

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Idiot Fan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:11 pm

It was interesting when Michaels and Collinsworth mentioned that, when they talked to Rodgers, he was very "confident" in the game plan coming in. There must have been something that they saw on tape that really didn't work out tonight.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:17 am

This success of this offense is predicated on the play of the offensive line and they got worked last night. You can't scheme to adjust an O-line getting consistently beat. Rodgers had 0 time to go through his progressions and the Lacy/Starks had little to no holes opened up for them.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 03, 2015 at 02:50 am

I don't agree with the premise. Rodgers had time to throw in the first half for the most part. I wonder what Rodgers' average release time was? I bet it was way more than 2.5 seconds.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:12 pm

The Packers' stubborn refusal to undertake any of the conventional means to slow down a pass rush- when they are playing the NFL's most fierce pass rush- is downright mind boggling. Especially when Bakh was getting schooled and Starks was missing his chip blocks right out the gate.

Generally speaking, never balanced the run-pass ratio, never ran it straight at the tackles, no draws, no screens per se (one botched WR screen), no boots, etc and so forth.

The only drive they found continuity and seemed to get things moving, they actually utilized a bit of creativity, but even then, they needed a penalty to continue the drive.

Frustrating.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:02 am

Yeah lets take all the receivers out and put in more blockers. So the receivers we currently have, that aren't getting separation will have more opportunities to show they can't get separation. More blockers = less receivers! You do understand that right?!

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:13 am

Running at the pass rush, running screens, running draws, bootlegs, rolling out....

You can do all of this in 11 personnel.

That's not adding any more blockers
That's not taking away any receivers (Unless you want to play 4 or 5 wide all night while your QB is getting his ass stomped into the turf all night)

You do understand that right?!

Please. Stop.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:43 am

So what then is your "conventional means" of slowing the pass rush? Running into and 8 man box isn't working. Packers were in 11 personnel all nite. Its their base personnel group. 3 WR, 1 RB and 1 TE.

With 9 or 10 defenders that close to the LOS and in the box, screens are useless. They tried a couple last nite and got dumped for losses or very minimal gains.

The Packers need to open the field. They need to stretch the field to create better passing lanes. They need to get defenders out of "the box".

Draws, bootlegs, blah blah, blah... Its window dressing. And Denver didn't bring 5 or 6 man pressures all nite. It was mostly a 4 man rush. That means there are still LB watching for draws, bootlegs and rollouts.

Conventional means keeping more blockers, not less. A TE staying in to block is still another blocker. A RB staying in to block is still another blocker that's not in the routes.

Every QB and OC wants more receivers against pressure to force the Defense to identify itself. THe QB then gets an accurate presnap read and knows where to go w/ the ball and can get it out fast. Assuming he has players who can gain separation. Adams isn't, Jones can't and Cobb is drawing the #1 CB and not getting much either.

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GVPacker's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:18 pm

Even though Mike McCarthy has handed over the reins to Tom Clements the play calling still seems to be too predictable!

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ollie418's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:01 pm

Why no hurry up to tire the pass rushers?

Play calling was terrible.

2nd game in a row that Defense got torched.

Not good

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:14 am

Might have been a bit too loud for the guys to not huddle up for a good portion of the night. Just a guess, it looked like they were having some troubles even with checks at the line.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:01 pm

Well, that was an ass whipping (maybe not the worst thing in the world). But, if you are gonna lay an egg, might as well do it in a non-conference game.

We've got to figure some things out on offense.

Next week matters. We will beat Carolina. Write that down... BIG LETTERS.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:08 pm

Yep. Exactly.

If we don't win the next 2 weeks, somethings wrong with this team. Getting their butts handed to them tonight isn't all that awful.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:24 pm

I agree with you completely. Sometimes teams need that wake up call. Last year it was the saints game. This hopefully will be the wake up call this year.

And if they needed a game to stumble in, this was a good one to do so. I would much rather lose to an AFC team then a NFC team. For the playoffs, this loss does nothing.

Next weeks game however could play a major roll in home field advantage for the playoffs. Much bigger game.

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:18 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:19 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:19 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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WinUSA's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:19 pm

Okay ...stupid comment here...but...I just have to wonder why there have been NO adjustments to the mid slant passes over the last two weeks...It's like the coaches don't WANT to show their hand on all the adjustments that they can make less future opponents have an opportunity to study them for the playoffs.

Rivers and Manning are among the two best short passers in the game...no QB on the upcoming schedule has their capabilities... It is almost as if they wanted to sacrifice a game just to get the players "heads" into it ....and out of the press clippings that have been filled with how GREAT these guys are.

Hey...they are damn good...but young...sometimes one needs to get his buttocks whipped to get his head on his shoulder straight... just a random thought.... go ahead fire away guys! :9)

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justinritzel1's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:04 pm

Even potentially great teams get their butts kicked once in awhile. Look at New England after they got smashed by KC last season.

I will probably regret saying this tomorrow, but games like this make me wish Rodgers had just a little more gunslinger in him. He avoids taking chances at all costs, and I'm sure thats why Cobb was frustrated -- most of the night, he wasnt even given a chance to make a play.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:07 pm

I thought of that KC game as we were getting shellacked. I hope it serves as a wakeup call.

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MarkinMadison's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:10 pm

I have had the same thought, but I don't think it's Rodgers, I think it is the route concepts they are using. At least I know I saw some balls thrown to JJ that were clearly jump balls. Unless you're saying Rodgers doesn't think Cobb can win on contested balls, I think this is a play selection problem more than a Rodgers' read problem.

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justinritzel1's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:18 pm

Probably. Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Rodgers threw for 77 yards.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:24 pm

Absolutely.

Look, protecting the ball is clearly a big part of winning football, and let's face it, protecting the ball is what makes Aaron Rodgers probably a better QB than Brett Favre..

BUT

If Favre's on one side of the scale, and Rodgers is at the extreme opposite side (when it comes to protecting the ball vs. taking risks for the big play), you'd probably want Rodger's needle to swing a bit more towards Favre, but still keep that needle residing solidly on Rodgers' half of the scale.

In a game like this, when the pressure is heavy and the game plan just isn't producing, I think Rodgers needs to take the kinds of risks that he normally does not take, but let's say, most QB's do. As James Jones once told Rodgers, "Us WRs have gifts too, you need to give us a chance to go make a play and show everyone we're gifted, too."

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:31 pm

THe best example of this:

Think about how many 'Shot' plays Rodgers has taken when he knows he has a free play, and think about how many of those plays have connected, or at worst, fallen incomplete, compared to ended in a pick.

Well, sometimes, maybe he needs to let loose and take those shots when it's not 100% guaranteed safe due to a flag at the LOS.

Now let's start talking about Rodgers throwing some of those shorter routes occasionally, even when the coverage is a bit tight.

I'm not talking Favre-esque "What are you thinking" throws, just tight throws.. Remember in 2010, 2011, some of the passing lanes/ windows Rodgers used to fit balls to receivers through? When's the last time you saw Rodgers drill a ball through two (or three) defenders to a WR down a corridor as tight as a 55" television screen? It's been a while.

He's becoming almost phobic.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:47 am

It may be that Favre is better able to take a mediocre offense and make it really good and that Rodgers is better able to take a good offense and make it great. I'm guessing that Hundley can make a bad offense better than Tolzien could, but that Tolzien could make a good offense better than Hundley could. [This is where my teenager would tell me that he has successfully translated my babble into English and knows what I mean.]

I thought Rodgers actually had a decent amount of time to throw in the first half.

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badaxed's picture

November 02, 2015 at 05:58 pm

Right on.

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badaxed's picture

November 02, 2015 at 05:58 pm

Right on.

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badaxed's picture

November 02, 2015 at 05:58 pm

Right on.

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D.D.Driver's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:08 am

Depends on what you mean. If you mean stupid Favre-style jump balls...no thanks.

Rodgers takes plenty of "risks" its just that he is so good its not that risky. I've seen so many plays where you slow it down and ask, "how the hell did he get that in there." He's a master. Rodgers can make throws that to everyone else in the league are "gambles."

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Ibleedgreenmore's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:05 pm

Like last week it seemed that the receivers could not get open, routes took to long. At least they can get it out of their system.

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Idiot Fan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:06 pm

This game sucked from start to finish, and this team needs to get better. That being said, one game doesn't mean much. What's more important is how they respond. For perspective:

2014 – Week 4: Chiefs 41, Patriots 14
2012 – Week 7: Texans 43, Ravens 13
2011 – Week 12: Saints 49, Giants 24
2008 – Week 16: Titans 31, Steelers 14

In other words, it happens from time to time.

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sonomaca's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Not mentioned is the fact that Denver's defense is awesome. Rodgers had no time and definitely no one open. With Jones, Adams and Cobb still less than 100%, the Pack haven't got anyone who can beat Denver's secondary. Should have tried Janis.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:17 pm

I do agree with you on Janis. 1 series at least? He at least provides speed that could have stretched the defense a bit.
For me it's not even about Janis, as I wish they would have tried anything different.

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mrtundra's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:23 pm

How about playing Abbrederis as a receiver. He knows how to get open. It might be worth a try.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:40 pm

I would have been fine with that too. At least they would have provided another look.

It felt like we just kept seeing the same thing over and over and it didn't work, so they kept trying... That stubbornness needs to end.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:47 pm

Another slot WR is not going to help the offense!

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:53 pm

Maybe not, but maybe our 4th WR could have gotten open on their 4th CB.

We don't know because they never tried it.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:10 pm

We are seeing just how important Jordy is to this offense, by how defenses play us. It's week 9 now, probably should think about adjustments to the O. Same old, same old just isn't working right now.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Simply have to find a deep threat. Clearly the only possibility is Janis, but if the coaches and Rodgers don't trust him enough to do the right thing on the field, that's immaterial. But it should be clear they simply MUST get some deep plays to open the field. Less that 100 yds passing should make that EXTREMELY clear!

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Zola Davis's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:24 pm

QB1 doesn't have time for deep routes .

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:34 pm

So you want to continue to pound your head against a wall throwing into the teeth of the Defense? Makes no sense.

Offense had plenty of time to pass when they had a deep threat didn't they?

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:02 am

Having a WR running a deep route tonight isn't going to slow down Denver's pass rush.

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Kyle Graham's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:10 pm

I absolutely hate this running back rotation. Lacy comes in and rips off 15 yards in his first two carries and then...he's on the sideline. I just don't get why they never let him get a rhythm. I understand we played from behind right off the bat but still it's been like this for weeks now.

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PaulRosik's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:56 am

Lacy has a couple good carries and gets a first down and then doesn't get another carry until the 2nd quarter. It is weird at times.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:11 pm

Ugly game. Offense was bad, defense was bad. Special teams was ok.

I mostly blame the coaches in this one. The game plan they came in with wasn't working, and they didn't make the adjustments needed. On offense WRs weren't getting open, and yet they never changed anything. This is the first time I question Clements as a play caller. If WRs are having trouble beating their guy 1 on 1 then they need to schematically get guys open. Trip sets, or crossing routes. Basically anything different then what they were or weren't doing.

On defense does the defense know how to cover the deep post? Capers needs to do a better job in adjusting to what offenses are doing to his defense.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:19 pm

I give the D some slack here. Denver COMPLETELY changed what they've been doing all year. Then Shields went out. Rollins went out. Gunter wasn't active. They had to play Goodson.

What is more concerning is the run D. Against a previously bad running team. Perhaps Kubiaks system is starting to work. Peyton looked comfortable.

The offense on the other hand? Something needs to change schematically. Now. Pathetic for the past month.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:33 pm

Yeah my biggest fear going into this game was that Manning and Kubiak would spend the by fixing their offense. Looks like they did. I just got sick and tired of seeing all those deep post routes and crossing routes wide open.

Offense needs to do more schematically to get guys open. We see other teams doing a lot of trip sets and crossing routes that get guys open. Green Bay doesn't do that. Coaches need to do a better job of putting players in better positions to succeed.

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4thand1's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:45 pm

West coast time.

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Zola Davis's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:17 pm

They did use some bunch formation.

I'd like to know why they didn't roll out qb1 off of play action. It might have given him time to go thru progressions.

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mrtundra's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:18 pm

I haven't seen any adjustments being made to stop this kind of dissection of our defense. Two games in a row the opposing QBs have carved us up to the tune of 500 yards in each game. How was the tackle around Rodgers' neck, where we gave up a safety, not a penalty?

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:37 pm

I wondered about that myself, as it looked as though the defender hit Rodgers in the head.

On that note, watching the replay it looked to me like Rodgers, after taking contact, attempted to lateral the ball instead of take the sack.

If that is indeed the case, all I can say is that is a very uncharacteristic rookie like mistake for Rodgers to commit. When you're in the midst of being sacked near the goal line, do not get cute. Take the sack, live to see another down, try to dig yourself out of the hole, and at worst, get enough space for your punter to have a chance.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:12 am

Excellent observation: Rodgers said post game that he intended to "flick it" to Kuhn. It might be chalked up to Rodgers deciding that they were way behind and could not take another negative play.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

November 02, 2015 at 01:06 am

I thought the same thing and that it might have been an incomplete pass. It looked lie it may have gone forward. But I'm grasping at straws here. Also thought if R. Rodgers had thrown it out of bounds it would have been an incomplete pass if it went past the LOS.

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EdsLaces's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:20 pm

How James Jones didn't just own Roby tonight is beyond me. Harris n Talib are legit ...but Roby ..really? Every single replay I saw had absolutely 0 separation by anyone. I guess you could say gut check...I say reality check. Adams didn't even look like he should be on the field. Is he even 50%? Lacy played pretty decent I guess n 23 got his first int ....other than that I got nothin.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:27 pm

Adams is as close to 100% as your going to find in a player. He hasn't played about 6 wks! Simple fact is he's not a deep threat. No one is afraid of his speed, same for Jones and R. Rodgers is a nice possession TE, but has NO seam ability whatsoever.

Janis is the only possibility, but he can't gain the coaches or Rodgers trust. At this point, they probably have to throw him out there and HOPE he can make a play.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:27 pm

Adams is as close to 100% as your going to find in a player. He hasn't played about 6 wks! Simple fact is he's not a deep threat. No one is afraid of his speed, same for Jones and R. Rodgers is a nice possession TE, but has NO seam ability whatsoever.

Janis is the only possibility, but he can't gain the coaches or Rodgers trust. At this point, they probably have to throw him out there and HOPE he can make a play.

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EdsLaces's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:32 pm

So basically. ...we had a Janis hype train ...then Jordy got hurt and we had an Adams hype train ....now we are back on the Janis train? Lol

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EdsLaces's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:34 pm

Seriously though this is not looking good. We need Monty back, and we need to dink n dunk or this season is not gonna pan out like we would all like it to.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:45 pm

Maybe YOU are on a hype train. I don't live or ride one. Until Janis proves something in practice I don't blame the coaches for not playing him, nor Rodgers. Janis should have to EARN it not be given it in desperation.

There might be a handful of defenses in the NFL that can stop the Packers Offenese, but the one we just played pointed out the issues EXTREMELY well, don't you think?!

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:10 am

yes, lets thow more short passes right into the teeth of Defenses that are looking for NOTHING BUT short passes. That'll fool them!

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Mojo's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:29 pm

Noticed that too about Adams. Looked like he was going at three quarters speed. Generally he was a wasted position out there tonight.

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4thand1's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Adams couldn't cut. I watched him on a play where he made a wide turn instead of stopping and cutting back.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:44 pm

He hasn't played in 6 F'in weeks. He's healthy. No more excuses.

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EdsLaces's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:50 pm

To answer your question up top ...yes their defense completely exploited us that's obvious. And for this point if that's how a healthy Adams runs ...he needs cut.

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Mojo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:01 am

He hasn't played in 6 F'in weeks because he's been unhealthy.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:06 am

An ankle shouldn't be more than 6 wks. What about his performance tonite shows anything different. Ankle injuries don't prevent you from running deep, they prevent you from cutting. Which isn't much concern on deep routes.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:06 am

An ankle shouldn't be more than 6 wks. What about his performance tonite shows anything different. Ankle injuries don't prevent you from running deep, they prevent you from cutting. Which isn't much concern on deep routes.

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:22 am

So when people comment on Adams' not cutting sharply, and instead taking wide, looping arcs, your argument is that an ankle injury wouldn't hinder a guy's deep route running ability, it would only hamper his ability to cut?

I know I'm missing something here.

Dan, maybe it's time to power down for the night, and come at this with fresh eyes in the morning.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:31 am

I have to give Davante several more games to see what he can do. That said, I have been writing for a year that Adams does everything well except get open. Same story tonight, but it looked to me like his ankle is not 90%, and certainly not 100%.

I've also written that the hype train on Adams is probably bigger than the one for Janis, because somehow it has become an accepted tenet that Adams is a legit #2 WR. He still has to prove it in my book, and I keep reminding myself that TT has an excellent track record with WRs drafted in round 2.

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:42 am

From my perspective, we've seen the talent vs. the PATs and in the playoffs Vs. DAL, where he has shown game-takeover type production. We've seen the ability to pluck balls out extended from the body (one handed, from time to time), and we've seen the ability to create YAC.

What we haven't seen, and this is where being a young player comes into play, is consistency.

If that day comes, this kid could be very good.. And he still has room to grow into his game.

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Mojo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:24 am

As 4thand1 mentioned I saw a couple of iso's on Adams and it seemed he was rounding out his routes and couldn't make sharp cuts. Looked to me like he was struggling pushing off on one leg. Can't help it if Adams takes a long time to recoup.

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:37 am

It may also be a mental block; keep in mind when he played on it the last time, the first play he blew it out, and he stated after the game he truly believed he was 100% before taking the field, but in retrospect, he clearly wasn't.

I didn't see enough of Adams to notice his route running. Times like this I wish I had a DVR.

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Zola Davis's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:21 pm

Also would like to know how effort the other defenders exerted on tipped ball by Raji. Gotta get those.

Denver had more turnovers than GB, other than safety. I'd like to love R.Rodgers but terrible game from him

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JRome Coaxum's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:25 pm

Palmer is terrible. How our DC still plays him is beyond question. He whiffed on both TD runs by Hillman and never makes a tackle. We have a glaring hole at our ILB position. If Clay is not making the tackle then no ILB is. It is time for Ryan to start.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:44 pm

Let's not get crazy, here.

Palmer isn't a pro bowler, but saying he's terrible and never makes a tackle?

Here's some crazy facts, while Palmer doesn't have any sacks, he's got 36 tackles on the season so far, and 2 passes defensed.

Clay Matthews has 25 and 1.

Just sayin'.

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JRome Coaxum's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:46 am

Go back and look at the tape. You will see. Everytime there was a big run Palmer was at the middle of it. He is the ILB he is supposed to make the stop not before the player reaches a first down. Many of those runs he whiffed on the tackle. I know what I see. He got benched at one point bc they tired of his bad play.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 01:05 am

They got tired of his bad play?

So, did they bench him for the rest of the game? Or did they bench him and then put him back in?

Lol

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Mojo's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:36 pm

Special teams played well. Good punting from Masthay. Coverage was good. Crosby hit a 56 yarder.

And that's all I got.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:05 am

Lol.

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4thand1's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:43 pm

Been watching football for almost 50 years, this happens. They weren't going to go 16-0. The lolions once sacked Starr 11 times and beat the Packers. My biggest concern is not getting to the QB on defense. A very young secondary left on an island isn't going to work. Everyone is right, this game plan sucked from the start.

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Oppy's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:48 pm

I agree on the major concern being not getting to Peyton all night.

Look, we all know our offense came in here struggling a little bit, and the Broncos are the most ferocious D out there at present. Not a huge shocker we'd struggle (although who thought it would be THAT bad.)

However, an immobile-as-ever Manning, with a VERY suspect oline.. Our pressure-heavy defense should have feasted on that. Not a packer even got a whiff of Peyton's cologne tonight, and I heard he douses himself with the stuff.

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Since'61's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:46 pm

Sometimes you just get beat. That's what happened tonight. Now it's a matter of how the Packers respond. Whatever the alleged game plan was it was completely ineffective and never gave the offense a chance. Denver was all over the offense all night. Hope we pull it together for the Panthers. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Mojo's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:51 pm

The old man schooled us tonight. Thought it might be a bad time to play them after the extra week against a veteran QB who's seen it all.

Peyton had a extra week to dissect the Packers inability to stop the short crossing routes. The middle was open all day.

They may be statues back there, but veteran QB's like Rivers and Manning will eat-up a Capers D all night.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:12 am

I first realized the inability to stop crossing routes back during the preseason and it's still a problem. Crossing routes, heavy overloaded sides and motioned WRs -- we can't handle at all.

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KenEllis's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:53 pm

The loss to an AFC opponent is not concerning.

4 consecutive poor offensive performances is alarming.

Back to back 500+ yard defensive performances is depressing because it dredges up bad memories.

But the biggest cause for concern for me is that ARod (on a night he threw for 77 yards, yes 77!!) had the same look on his face tonight that he had in SF in the playoffs the night Kaepernick broke the record for rushing yards by a QB -- like he knows its bad and there is nothing he or the rest of the team can do about it.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:18 am

I thought I was the only one to catch that. I don't know what it is about that look but it irks the hell out of me.

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:27 am

I saw the same look, and I know what bothers me about it.

I'm going to catch a lot of hell for this.

Rodgers gets to a point and he gives up.

We're lucky we don't see it too often, because Rodgers and the Packers are good enough that we're not often more than a strike away from being in it.

But when the going gets really tough, I think Rodgers checks out a bit.

Say what you will, and I get it, there wasn't much likelihood of getting back into this game after a point.. but Tom Brady would have been screaming, scratching, clawing, and fighting, not sitting on the sideline by himself with a glassy--eyed look on his face.

My brother in Denver texted me that he saw a look on Rodgers and thought maybe he was hurt. Nope, that was the quit on him.

Sorry, that's what I saw.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:35 am

That screaming and stuff Rivers and Brady does on the sideline -- I absolutely love it. This isn't taking anything away from Rodgers or the coaches, but sometimes we need some barking on the sidelines. Don't wait until someone makes a play.

That look Rodgers gives is like, "mehh".

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 02, 2015 at 07:11 am

Trying to interpret emotions, mindsets, etc. from facial expressions on TV (or from a distance at the stadium) is risky business. I'm pretty sure AR has never "quit" in a game.

However, AR is smart enough to know when a game is out of reach. My guess is that's where "the look" comes from. There are players that mentally transcend the game, AR is one of the few.

Don't care for the screamers like Brady and Rivers. That causes emotions to get out of whack, leading to mental errors.

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KenEllis's picture

November 02, 2015 at 07:43 am

When you think Brady and the Pats you think "mental errors?"

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 02, 2015 at 08:26 am

Obviously not. Somehow it works for Brady, but I believe the point is still valid (I did say "like" Brady). Some guys don't like being screamed at, causing them to be distracted. Others get so rah-rah they think they can do things outside of the assignment.

If the mental aspects were studied the result could be that yelling benefits the yeller more than his teammates.

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KenEllis's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:43 am

Very thoughtful response. I mean it.

I once had a coach (former professional) tell me if I'm not yelling at you it is because I don't think you can play.

When Aaron gets that vacant look, I suspect as a cerebral individual he knows there is no use getting upset because the other team is just better.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:55 am

That's how I look at it as well. "I'll just save my energy for next week."

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WKUPackFan's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:00 am

Thank you . I enjoy your point of view also.

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:24 pm

You're the leader of the team, maybe the best QB to ever play the game.

When the demeanor you carry yourself with says "There's no use getting upset, because the other team is just better", and by extension, "We can not win this game", the message you are sending every one of your team mates is precisely that, and with that attitude, they now are, and you now can't.

My point isn't that I want to see a screaming, barking mad dog on the sidelines, simply that a QB like brady will always go down swinging and he ALWAYS believes that if his team bands together and plays with intensity and a conviction that they not only CAN, but WILL win, that they just might pull it out. That look, that aura that Rodgers has been caught with (if only 2 or 3 times in his career)... It is contagious and it all but guarantees we will not be treated to a miraculous come from way behind finish.

As I often say to negativity, "Not with that attitude, you won't."

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Mojo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 11:21 am

The worst thing Rodgers can do to you is give you the stink-eye on the field. I haven't seen much of that this year either.

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Mojo's picture

November 01, 2015 at 11:59 pm

Like Eddie, but he's way overweight. They had a head on shot of the Packers O pre-snap with Eddie in the crouch position and his belly was hanging below his belt like an o-lineman.

Like a big physical back, but Eddies too big.

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Mojo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:13 am

Someone needs to explain this to me. How come when Rivers or Peyton start feeling the pressure they seem to have an open guy coming on the cross?

When Rodgers under pressure he ends up holding on to the ball until he gets sacked, tries to run loose or to some longer pattern that's well covered.

Shouldn't we be crossing Cobb as much as possible? Or Ty when he's healthy again. Something's just not working with this O. Can't tell if it's the play calling, QB1 or are our WR's that inept.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:32 am

Because all of our WRs are either running medium to deep routes or are coached to run deep once their initial route is done.

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4thand1's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:14 am

This was a total team effort. I gotta go wash the stench off of my eyeballs.

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PaulRosik's picture

November 02, 2015 at 11:03 am

Yeah its bad when it stinks so bad your eyeballs stink Lol thanks for making me laugh.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:22 am

I was very disappointed to see the DBs (per what clearly is our game plan) allow free releases all the time. I only saw us re-direct the safety valve running back once or twice (one time we knocked the RB on his butt).

Looks like Denver really liked their match up with Hayward. After Shields left (and I'm not saying Denver was shaking in their boots looking at Shields), it looked like Denver liked the match up they had against everyone.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:41 am

Something else I'll never understand. Why not bump and run? Didn't we always have a safety on top?

Something else I noticed, either the LBs don't have good hips or they're just bad at passing off receivers in their zone(s).

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Oppy's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:45 am

Nate Palmer definitely doesn't have good hips. Keep in mind, he's a converted DE/OLB/pass rush specialist.

Thomas I guess was brought back because he's supposed to be a better option as a dime/coverage backer. I didn't even notice if we ever went dime tonight.

Clay is really the only all-out athlete we have at LB outside of Peppers.

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PaulRosik's picture

November 02, 2015 at 11:06 am

No one in the league seems to bump and run anymore. I guess they are too worried about missing the bump and giving up a 90 yard play. I don't understand it either, Everything in the NFL seems so predicated on quick rhythm passes so why not try to throw off the rhythm of it at the line of scrimmage?

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:44 pm

"No one in the league seems to bump and run anymore."

It seems like the Defenses we struggled with are.

49ers did it
Rams did it
Seahawks did it
Broncos did it
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And I'm pretty sure the Panthers will too.

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:14 pm

Seattle doesn't play bump and run man coverage. They play cover 3 the majority of the time. They bump at the LOS and fall off into zone. That's why you rarely if ever see Sherman anywhere but on his side of the field along the boundary.

Broncos are man coverage and usually press. Don't think the Rams or 9ers play mostly man, but I doubt it. More likely the mix and play what they think will work best. Some man, some zone and some combo coverages.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:29 am

Hayward should lose his starting/outside CB job.

Is everyone who came back from injury still hurt? They did little to nothing.

Back to undisciplined defense/tackling. RBs just bouncing to the outside.

How many times do you have to get beat over the middle before you start shading a receiver's inside?

That missed opportunity on a tipped pass said a lot.

I was right about seeing the Cobra formation. Right about seeing short passes, but wrong about the amount of short passes we'd see. Man, are they stubborn.

Broncos Defense is extremely aggressive and we didn't gamble not 1 time.

I hate seeing Lacy motioned out wide.

At least I'm still on track with my 14-2 prediction I made preseason. (Losses to the Broncos and Panthers)

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NewNikeShoes's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:53 am

Honestly, I feel the biggest problem on this team is the inability to take chances, from the QB not gunslinging the ball when he needs to all the way to conservative playcalling.
Mix up the playcalling.
RUN A GOD DAMN CROSSING ROUTE

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:56 am

I do remember seeing a crossing route. There's no speed to separate though. Didn't break any tackles either.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:08 am

Best comments in game threads I've seen:

"I'm starting to cheer whenever I see a flag because it means we might get a 1st down."

[Right after CM3 went down.] "My 12 year old just swore. I'll allow it."

"Why am I still watching this game?"

"GD Capers."

"This game is just a bad hair day."

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croatpackfan's picture

November 02, 2015 at 04:31 am

Two things... I do not care of yours ups and downs on this comment and nobody, really nobody can not tell me that our D is not underestimated Peyton... Not Dom Capers, but players... They let Broncos WR open all nioght on deep routes... They tried to play "smart" with him, and they thought the victory will fall in their laps...
Second, Packers OL is playing terrible for the last 6 games... Very limited number of running lines was open in those 6 games, Starks TD from the last game was accident, not team effort... etc...
So, my opinion is that Packers players needs to start to earn the money they got for the salary! They are playing Stars, but, at this moment, with this attitude, they are far far from being Stars...
I know this tim will be 14-2 or 13-3, but if they will not change the attitude, it might finish as well as 10-6!

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Idiot Fan's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:44 am

I'm actually in agreement that a lot of our offensive woes right now start with the oline. I do remember several years of recent past where the offense starts out slowly because the oline is not run-blocking well and the game plan appears to call for more late-developing routes than our blocking will support. But then in the second half of the season the offense adjusts and the oline finds its groove and becomes awesome. I really really hope that happens again this year and we can hit our stride at the right time.

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SpudRapids's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:27 am

Thank you someone with some sense... the O-line is the root of the offensive woes

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PaulRosik's picture

November 02, 2015 at 11:08 am

I think the line is a big problem as well. Going into the season we thought we had a great unit there and they have not been playing as we thought they would.

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sheppercheeser's picture

November 02, 2015 at 05:50 am

Not the end of the world to lose a game, but for gosh sake, at least be competitive! Quite a commentary of our coaching ineptitude to not have a clue on how to react during game conditions. Why did everyone in America know that the Packers should have tried a short-pass game except for the GB staff?The better team certainly won last night. Denver came to play- GB was MIA.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:44 am

Lol, I find it funny that everyone else thinks they should go for shorter/quicker passes except this one other poster here.

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Idiot Fan's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:49 am

In the end I think it's two sides of the same coin. Without a deep threat, the defense can focus on the shorter stuff, making it hard for receivers to get open. Some people are arguing that we need a deep threat, others are arguing that we need more successful short stuff. But the two problems are related.

I think the people who are arguing that we just need more crossing routes are forgetting that other defenses, unlike ours, tend to put defenders in the middle of the field.

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RCPackerFan's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:56 am

If you don't have a deep threat, then you have to do more stuff schematically to get guys open. Its just the way it is.

Packers need to start using the slant, post and quick outs, along with bubble screens and other types of plays. If you watch New England they mostly dink and dunk all the way down the field. They do so much more schematically to get guys open. They don't have really any true deep threats but they are able to find their way down field.

Packers need to do better schematically.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:05 am

Right on @RC. Well said.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:03 am

With the line playing like it is, why are we continuing to run the same routes?

Seeing Perillo get any snaps (let alone any passes) says a ton. There's a plan, and I'm not panicking, but this isn't good enough right now. I wonder if our offensive playbook is even that big? Maybe this offense is more about adjusting post snap than actual pre snap.

When we did have successful pass plays were they short, medium or long passes?

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 11:02 am

"When we did have successful pass plays were they short, medium or long passes?"

Last year, when they had a deep threat!

I don't know what the answer is, since no one on the current group of WR has the ability to stretch the field. And Janis can't get on the field.

Maybe picks, rubs and bunch formations a little. But those are still running short routes into the teeth of the Defense. So I doubt that helps much.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 02, 2015 at 12:46 pm

We're not in last year!!!

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Dan Stodola's picture

November 02, 2015 at 10:04 pm

No kidding... Just pointing out that the same offense was fine last year. Only one thing missing. Get the point now?

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DrealynWilliams's picture

November 03, 2015 at 09:37 am

So,we can't be as successful?????

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A.A. Ron Rodgers's picture

November 02, 2015 at 06:08 am

Well guys, just gotta be honest here: I accept full responsibility for that loss. I was out of town this weekend and this was clearly due to my game day flag not being up. No excuses.

Silver linings:
-I think I'm ok with the sack/fumble/safety, and the unfortunate series of events that led up to it, going down as the single lowest point this season. I swear I could hear someone playing yakety sax. Cannot possibly get any worse than that.
-I get to wash my 12 jersey for the first time in 7 weeks. Needed it.

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Handsback's picture

November 02, 2015 at 07:38 am

I didn't get to see the game and after the comments.....might as well delete the game on my cable box.

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4thand1's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:03 pm

Delete it, smash the dam box, burn it, and never watch it again.

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Lphill's picture

November 02, 2015 at 09:32 am

Awful performance , Rodgers needs full control over play calling , someone has to tell our defensive backs that they can use their hands to swat a ball away , it seems like they are allowing receivers to make a catch so they can tackle them. But no play on the ball at all .

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Flow49's picture

November 02, 2015 at 02:16 pm

The sky is not falling, I think Rodgers will get it together he's to competitive to let this happen again. There's only one great defense in this league and it's Denver. The rest are good to below average. So we shouldn't see a complete D like this for the rest of the season. I'll take a embarrassing loss to a solid AFC team if it means we get it in gear and beat the NFC teams and the Panthers next week. If we look like this in Carolina then I'll start to worry. Right now I'll chalk it up to a bad day all around. Something needs to change on offense though wr aren't getting open enough.

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some_guy's picture

November 03, 2015 at 12:06 am

Wow, talk about complacency. Our team gets absolutely demolished by the first good team they've faced all year, and here's Aaron with his tired catchphrases to remind us that it's no big deal because continuing multi-years-long negative trends is no big deal if it's in an away game against a non-conference opponent, apparently.

This team hasn't been able to get off physical press coverage for years. They haven't been able to stop #1 WRs. They've consistently played frightened against top QBs. This year's edition can't pass the ball, can't run the ball, can't stop the run, has shown that it can't so much as hope to contain top QBs, and in the last two weeks we've added being unable to get pressure against terrible O-lines into the mix. We're spending half a season trying to force the downfield bombs to happen regardless of the results, just like we have every year post-2010 SB Victory.

No big deal though, right? After all, you win the Super Bowl by racking up a good regular season record against teams like the Chiefs, Rams, and 2015 Seahawks. As long as all of our playoff opponents are .500-or-worse teams that have poor running games, are led by middling QBs and backed up by defenses that can't play press coverage, we're set.

It isn't time to panic, but the behavior of Aaron and a lot of people here is basically the mirror image of the stereotypical "lost one game, fire everyone" reverse-homer, taking it all way to far in the opposite direction and mocking the idea that we should be worried that our O rolled over and played dead while our D made Peyton "worst QB in the league prior to this game" Manning look like he was 30 again. The problems that we saw last night are the same ones we've been seeing for years, and that people still treat them like they're no big deal because we keep ending up with good regular season records is really mind-boggling. If n