"And what the hell are the Packers doing letting a seasoned veteran like Yosh Nijman sit on the bench while Rasheed Walker struggles so mightily?"

This type of thing has been happening under Matt LaFleur since he was hired. Putting the best 5 O-Linemen out on the field at once seems like an impossibility while Matt LaFleur is the Head Coach.

Zack Tom NEEDS to be the starting center of this football team IMO. If the Center position is shit, then the whole line struggles in most cases. They had 10 days to try and clean up the O-Line issues and all they did was replace Newman with Jenkins coming back from the knee.

After the bye week if Josh Meyers is the starting Center, the play we saw on Monday night where ONE defensive player can destroy the Packers O-Line will be routine.

It's as I predicted. The crash was imminent.
So who Loves Love, now?
This team can't wait for Jordan Love.
It must move on. He is the reason for the loses.
And this entire offense, if not team, is paying the price.

I wish I could take legal action.
But when a OL can't protect
the guy this offense was built for.
The only thing to do is go to plan B.

Whats plan B? Obviously take the lumps.
Because Nobody has Love's Back on this OL.

The best thing for MLF is to get pissed.
Fire them. Chew their ass on public tv.
It worked with Devante Adams.
So just bitch and pull guys.
Their not Packer material until they play like it.
Screw what GUTEY thinks.
MLF job is on the line.
He can't take anymore Lumps.

Tim, first off Up North over tropical beaches. ..makes me go hmmm.
If the offense is going to do anything then they need an offensive line. What showed up against the Raiders was not good. Replace, aquire, or trade for some guys that can play.
Love, isn't a rookie but he also lacks experience. He's still thinking too much about not making a mistake verses going through his reads and seeing the field. It will take time for him to get there. HE CAN BE THE GUY BUT NEEDS HELP ESPECIALLY FROM THE LINE AND THE RUNNING GAME.
Needed to stress my opinion there...sorry for the outburst.
Anyway the offense needs to step it up, because the current defense is only so-so and won't win many games for the Packers.
Just MHO

As we all know here on CHTV, it all starts with the O-line on offense. Don't need to make a blockbuster trade at the deadline for a receiver or skill position player. If we don't fix the O-line, it won't matter if you have all hall of fame skill players, they won't have time to do anything.

The D-line is making progress, and you can't really give any credit to the coaches for that because they try to play them as little as possible.

Class questions (football related):

O-line or no O-line
QB with time or QB fighting for his life
Running game or playing behind the sticks

This has been a young team for a couple years...they were 4th youngest a year ago if you discounted 12, 2, and 89. The cap contraction of the Covid year and the resulting contract pushbacks made that inevitable. But having said that, this team was young but most of its projected starters have had game experience coming into the season...Musgrave and Love are about the lone exceptions.

In the end, the fact that this team has been in all but one game this season (they really weren't in the Lions game even though that second-half rally gave us false hope) is something we can hang our hats on, but there are too many issues to name right now. Given that an offensive HC is seeing mostly issues on the offensive side of the ball is particularly troubling. Is it underachieving players not being able to carry their weight? Is it bad game-planning not putting players in a position to do what they CAN do? Is it both?--I suspect it's both. And most of that falls on coaches.

I'm rarely a fan of "blowing it all up". It takes too many players to make a decent football team to throw anything of value away for draft lottery tickets before the deadline. It's one thing to say, "this player won't be part of a quality rebuild" or "the contract with this player doesn't fit them in the window of a rebuild" or "too old, too expensive" than to say "trade anyone that another team will give us a partially used jockstrap for". I'm also not someone who is strongly in favor of dealing too much draft capital to bring another team's castoffs (players are available for a reason) into a team that's not going anywhere this year--there might be a rare opportunity, maybe a promising G or S buried behind a good starter somewhere, so never say never. If it's really beginning and ending with coaches, a fire-sale of players is probably setting you back more than moving you forward.

So that leaves the Packers in a position of making do with what they have, roster-wise, and hoping it will get better with time--and then making significant changes this offseason. We're at that stage where a "major shakeup" will probably need to happen and is likey coming. Maybe it's demoting starters and giving a lot of #2s their shots...maybe it's dismissing assistants to try to send a message. Those will be signs that the pressure is really starting to come down on LaF from above. I think he's been mostly immune to it so far.

Byes---
This team should come back pretty much healthy (sans IR players) after the bye. There won't be much excuse for lack of performance v. a bad Denver team.

NFCNorris--
It's become a race for 2nd place in the division and smack talking rights over the Bears and Vikings fans this off-season. Sadly I thought this could be a really competitive division leading up to the start of games. Instead, it's one of the weakest at this stage. In the stretch of games leading up to Thanksgiving, only the Rams have really emerged as being a good team. Ultimately, there are only 4 really competent teams on the schedule (5 if you count the Chargers): Rams, Lions, Chiefs, and Bucs. I'm not harboring any hopes for the playoffs, but there are beatable teams on this schedule. I think the Packers have the more favorable schedule in comparison to the Bears and Vikings the rest of the way...

Predictions--
Lions will drop a game on the road v. TB this week. Tampa isn't great, but Goff has a track record of laying stinkers on the road and the Bucs are physical enough to play with them. They're also coming off a bye, and unlike the Packers some teams actually use that as a springboard.

The Bears still suck. The Vikes beat the Bears. Two straight games of Fields-to-Moore will get figured out by MN, even though the Vikes' CBs are weak.

No doubt this team has talent and experience gaps - that can be remedied over the next couple of years. It can be fixed if Gutekunst and crew can draft well and sign solid free agents. What will send this franchise back into the dark ages is a weak and disorganized coaching staff. Players will get demoralized if they need to deal with ongoing incompetence. This staff needs to be on a short leash and evaluated at year-end to avoid wasted years and wasted careers. Matt Lafleau needs to show that he can be a head coach this year.

I expected this team to struggle. That means I expected the team to be bad in a number of games. I expected good teams to beat us this year. But, that can happen in a fairly good year, I therefore knew we would blow games against eminently beatable teams. That’s what struggling means.

The issue isn’t that that happens result-wise as much as how things have proceeded. The OL choices and play: does anyone seriously think they made run blocking a priority in training, scheming or personnel selection? We might be trotting out the weakest possible combination in that regard from our roster.

The the continued inability to stop the run to an excessive extent even compared to weaker prior opposition’ defenses. The same formations, the same types of personnel usage. This D looks very like last years in every way. That’s continuity certainly but it’s not an improvement.

Offensively we see us trying one thing excessively even when it’s not working. This O is bafflingly complex yet lack any illusion of complexity or competence. We still use Watson as a go route specialist when it’s his weakest area. We don’t see the bunches, we take out players that are hot and lose momentum.

We’ve got a new starting QB who has thrown longer more and shorter less than any other QB in the league, and we continued to try that even when the pickets were collapsing routinely in the last 2 games. If anyone suggested that would be our offensive plan before this season, I’d have ridiculed it as insane.

We are trotting out a LT who has promise but is clearly out of his depth in the run game at LT while sitting a LT who kept Rodgers upright and was our best OL in the run game for most of two seasons. We have perhaps our best T playing RT despite being vulnerable to being moved by power.

We have our worst rated OL starter at C over the last seasons still at C and unchallenged. All our Gs have regressed around him. We won’t try Myers or Jones and we won’t play Nijman and yet we will trot out Newman repeatedly. If that’s not a summary of utter ineptitude, I do not know what is.

We have seen a ton of penalties. I expect that from young players but the key ones have come from other sources. That’s coaching and I see few if any consequences.

Overall, our D looks unchanged materially. The supposed schematic adjustments are hard to pin down. It’s ok against bad OLs and teams that are one dimensional, in the pass or the run (less so). It’s a sieve against teams with dual threats.

This team has travelled nowhere this off season of note. Just as the O design last year was impotent and ineffective, so this one is, just even harder to fathom who thought that is the way to go with a new QB and neophyte receivers.

Only one of our WRs has a success rate in catchable balls over 50% ( Doubs). This offense not only asks Love to make tough throws, but WRs to make tough catches. Baffling in the extreme, or beyond that. This team hasn’t had a plan or identity on O since we lost the 85% through Adams crutch that LaFleur admitted.

If I could have come up with the ten things any team in our position couldn’t afford to neglect, repeat or do, this team has managed it. I’m sorry, but for the most part that’s not in the players. It’s squarely on the coaches. I believe it’s also very revealing as to why we failed from 2019 through 2021.

I will say one thing about Love, this offense is being handled overall and at sub levels in a way that seems likely to guarantee only one thing: that his development will be less than it should be. That’s my real fear, that we are not just bad now, but eroding confidence and constraining potential across the roster, not merely Love. That could have very significant consequences for the future as well.

Bye Bye Bye -

I think at this point coming off a mini bye and then having the full bye, I think this is a good time for it. We need to get things resolved.

One of the top things that needs resolved is the OL. We got Jenkins back and that helped. But we really need Tom and Runyan to get healthy. They were clearly not healthy in the last couple of games. Getting the OL back to full strength is key 1.

Next thing is getting Jones back. We clearly need him bad. He is the one great veteran player on our offense. He is a difference maker and we need him! He is the leader on our team. We have missed that leadership on the field.

Those are things that will help the offense a ton.

Getting Jones, Watson back into the offense will help a ton. I think the rookies will keep progressing as well.
One guy I think needs more snaps is Wicks. He has been consistent.

I hope the coaches take some time to see what they need to do to turn this thing around. I don't feel like we are that far off despite how bad things have gone. Some things they need to get cleaned up. They need to get the jet motion going better. I want to see that part of the game improve. Reed did a lot of motion stuff the first few games, but I don't recall him doing a lot the last couple.

We all knew the Packers went all in for 3 years and failed to win the Super Bowl. Everyone knew the credit card had to be paid off for going all in. 2023 dead cap is nearly $60 million. 2024 improves but team isn't out of the woods.

Packers starting 2-1 (should be 3-0), gave us all hope. Last two weeks exposed the problems when you have kids out there because you can't afford good veterans. Look at the Packers salary cap on offense ($72.6 million). Sounds like a hell of a lot of money, but it's $98 million less than the #1 salary cap spender on offense. Packers have the least amount of money spent on offense in the NFL. On top of that, Bahk being out, Jones being out, Jenkins missed 2 games (basically played on 1 leg against Raiders). Just Bahk and Jones is $28.5 million of that $72.6 million. Reality is this offense is filled with players who have only started 1-2 years.

Look at the offensive line.
Bahk - 1 game, done for year (costs $40 million against the cap in 2024 because of dead cap hit plus salary/bonuses).
Walker replaced Bahk and has been terrible run blocker, mediocre pass blocking.
Jenkins - missed 2.5 games and is basically playing on one leg right now. (Best we have on this line most games)
Myers - decent pass blocker, terrible run blocker. Listen to Bulaga and Tauscher some time, Myers is terrible at the blocking calls...so bad that Rodgers had to correct many of his mistakes during his years in GB. Bad pick and needs to be replaced.
Runyan is a fighter. Doubt he's the biggest problem.
Tom is looking like a starting caliber OT. Would he be better at center?
Nijman is a good run blocker, but people forget he routinely had TEs and RBs helping on his side when pass blocking.
Newman doesn't belong in NFL.
Ryhan???
Caleb Jones (against 2nd/3rd stringers in preseason has shown he is a beast at run blocking, pass blocking??, against starters he is going to be slow footed so Crosby would have had 5+ sacks against him).

Tight ends are kids.
Musgrave - 3rd and 3. Play called and huddle breaks. Musgrave stops and asks Love what he's supposed to do on the play while the clock is winding down. Needless to say play was a failure. Musgrave drops easy pass in 4th. Also supposedly messes up blocking and routes more than we realize.
Tucker Kraft - needs to get his act together because right now he's not even capable of starting for top 20 college teams.

RBs
Jones is great, but he's been out. Practiced all last week. Game plan was done explicitly for him to get the ball a ton. Suddenly, he's a scratch and there is no time to change the game plan.

WRs
Watson - 2nd interception. MLF after game said it was a deep curl. Watch the route run and compare that to someone like Hines Ward running a curl. That deflection and interception is 100% on Watson running a college route. Last interception, Watson admitted he should have at least made an attempt to knock it down. (Easy to see why Jaire and Rasul yelled at him after that interception).
Doubs is good. Still, he dropped easy pass on the last Packers drive.
Reed is showing a lot of promise for a rookie. Still, he makes mistake. Like that this kid is a fighter.

Love - no excuse for the first interception. Definitely struggling. However, look at the garbage he is playing with. Easy to see why Rodgers often ripped guys on the field when they made mistakes. What is Love (only has 6 NFL starts) supposed to do?

This team is bad because we have kids. Remember Davante Adams first 2 years? Fans wanted him cut. Lots of growing pains. Time for these kids to decide if they want a paycheck for a couple years or if they want a career in the NFL.

MLF is going to have to call very basic, college level play calling because 1-2 of these kids are failing on almost every single offensive play.

“Up North over Tropical Beaches”—seriously”.
You’ve heard me say this many times—I despise the Broncos—hate isn’t a harsh enough word. If we lose to them, and I have a sinking feeling about this, I’m going on a hunger strike.
I continue to scratch my head concerning the injuries to key players? Do we need a Lombardi moment—‘get the hell out of the trainer’s office and play.’
Love’s accuracy troubles remind me of Tebow.
Carlson is excellent and I said so early on…I like our punter too.
Beat the Broncos or I’m going on a darkness retreat.
Go Packers!!!

Thanks for the beer suggestion, Tim! With the way the Packers are playing, I've transitioned entirely to bourbon! How about some whiskey reviews? I definitely need something stronger!

Welcome to the "coaches are not good" bandwagon. The idea of "promoting from within" has not been working for a while. So stick with it. And if a position coach, or OC or DC prove to be bad at their jobs, keep them on anyway. And if the opposing team starts shutting down the offense, keep doing the same thing. It worked before, so it'll work again. And lets not forget that the OL should always have at least one, if not two guys who can't do the job, keep them in the game anyway, because then they'll improve with more reps. Even with poor coaching (I'm looking at you Mr.Butkus). It took me years to reach this point, but it's time for a clean sweep of the coaching staff. Possibly let Bisaccia a second shot at being HC. And allow him to spend some money to hire first rate coaches under him. Or, totally start from scratch. Either way, time for a change.

Porsche or Lamborghini?
Christmas or Thanksgiving? (Probably a no-brainer for teens).
Football or soccer?
Cherry or blueberry pie?

Tom, as this season is progressing, I think your beer analysis is more interesting than the Packers. Had a very tasty red ale (Shine On Ale) from Central Water Brewing (Milwaukee) while enjoying the last days of summer at the Clear Water Harbor Bar in Waupaca.

Were all smart enough to discern between youth who come into league with skills, and abilities and can start day one and late round 5,6 7 round picks who somehow make the team and do need a lot of time to be developed.
The problem, GB lives for this, other teams spend their capital getting rid of those picks and bundling for a raft of 2, 3, 4 picks and calling it a good draft.

Zimmer is a good example. He drafted a kicker who missed three field goals in one game. He got rid of the guy the next day. Sent him packing. When asked why he didnt keep the guy and develop him Zimmer replied " we're in the win now mode not the development mode".
Laugh but most NFL teams are just that. They draft with the mindset that most of the guys will be starters and contribute now and a few will be coming in to back up others but mostly they want starters.

At first many said "this is going to take a few games, half a season" for Love and the rest to settle in, then it was a year, a whole wasted season, now many are saying give Love and the team two seasons....bullshit...

The oline player assignments baffle me. How can Yosh not be starting? Myers should not even be in the NFL. Newman, downright bad. Tom at center might actually make plays up the middle possible. Yosh at tackle. Myers and Newman are 3rd stringers or XFL candidates.

The 5 best olinemen rarely, if ever, start for this team. Why this lie is allowed to continue with this subpar coaching staff says it all - they just can't evaluate players objectively over their favorites! Steno and Butkus are just as lost as MLF on offense. Barry has lost covered all on his own on defense.

Steno and Butkus - get your heads out of your butts and try some different combinations! Remember MLFs definition of insanity?

Is Myers in the NFL? Seriously? -_- I support college sports and football teams, but why do teens complicate things? I learn and play football at my college, and I have no time for homework sometimes. So, I go to https://assignmentbro.com/za/ to get professional assignment help from experts and enjoy my academic success. Therefore, I find solutions without causing problems to other students, professors, and sports coaches.