Jets 27 Packers 10: Game Balls & Lame Calls

It's time for us to make an attitude adjustment.

We’ve played just over one third of the season.  That’s a pretty good sample size.  It’s time to face the reality.  The Aaron Rodgers era is over.  What an incredible run it was.  We were privileged to watch the career of the greatest quarterback in franchise history.  Oh, he may continue playing for a while, but his era, call it his window if you prefer, is over.  The Packers will never contend for a Super Bowl again with Rodgers under center. 

Turns out the Packers are not a contender this year.  The team has entered the first year of a rebuilding phase.  We just didn’t know it.  Neither did they.  All of the key players who made up the nucleus of the Rodgers window are either gone or washed up.  Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Clay Matthews, Charles Woodson, Mike Daniels, Za’darious Smith, Bryan Bulaga, all gone.  Rodgers, Bakhtiari, Cobb, Lewis, Lowry and Crosby will all be phased out over the next year or two. 

The Packers have now entered the multi-year process of acquiring new, young talent that will one day be the nucleus of the next window, the next Super Bowl contending era.  To that end, they’re off to a pretty good start.  The future will be shaped by young stars and promising athletes such as Jordan Love, AJ Dillon, Elgton Jenkins, Romeo Doubs, Christian Watson, Rashan Gary, Quay Walker, Jaire Alexander and Eric Stokes.  They will need more, and it will take two or three years to gather them, but I have no doubt the Green and Gold will return to their rightful place among the NFL elite sooner than later. 

Mark Murphy, or whomever succeeds him following his retirement, will have to decide if Matt LaFleur is the right coach to lead the Packers into this new era, and whether Brian Gutekunst is the right guy to acquire the necessary talent.  In the meantime, we will have to be content with six to eight win seasons, and watching other teams play in late January.  It won’t be as bad as you think.  It only hurts now because we were convinced this team was still in the championship mix.  By next fall, we will have adjusted our expectations, and we’ll all enjoy small signs of progress and watching the gradual resurgence of our great franchise. 

I guess I have to write about the game, though it seems strangely irrelevant to me in the perspective of the big picture. 

 

GAME BALLS 

Robert Tonyan 

Good to see Bobby back in the flow. Looked like he was running a little better. Most of his catches were in front of a soft zone defense, but 10 catches for 90 yards is a good day’s work. 

 

Jaire Alexander 

Looked like Joe Barry let him man up a little more. He responded with two very near interceptions and blanket coverage on his man, usually Garrett Wilson, all day.  

 

LAME CALLS 

Offensive Line 

Whew! That was the worst performance by a Green Bay O-line in recent memory. Bakhtiari and Jenkins are back and the line is worse. Not a good sign. Jenkins is lost at right tackle. Royce Newman isn’t good enough to start in this league. Runyan got toasted a few times. When the game was in doubt, Aaron Rodgers never had a chance. Although Rodgers’ age was definitely showing on some of his feeble attempts to escape the pressure. It brought back flashbacks of Ben Roethlisberger loping around last year. 

 

Punt returns 

Jets’ punter Braden Mann has a very strong leg, so much so, he was outpunting his coverage by about 20 yards on several occasions. Amari Rodgers caught at least three punts with wide open spaces in front of him, yet he showed virtually no explosion and couldn’t make a single decent return. Is there not a better option on this team? Nixon maybe? Compare Rodgers to the Jets’ Braxton Barrios. That’s what a punt returner should look like. 

 

Third Down Sacks 

Sure, the O-line was a sieve. But the coaches have got to come up with some quick-hitting short yardage plays they can call on third down. I sure miss those quick slants to Davante Adams. You have to know the rush is coming hard and the ball has to be out. Arod should be taking a three step drop and off it goes. The Packers were 4 of 16 on third down, 1 out of 4 on 4th down. 

 

THREE AND OUT 

-- Seems clear Green Bay will have to do something at the receiver position. With Watson and Cobb out, Watkins will always be hurt, Winfree isn’t good enough, Toure has never played. Time to look to the trade or free agent market. But please, no Odell Beckham. You’ll have to pay him a fortune and he’s coming off a blown out knee. He’ll be on IR in two weeks. 

-- Everybody loves AJ Dillon but games like this illustrate why he works better as a supplementary back rather than a featured guy. He’s just not explosive enough. On third and five in the first half, Dillon caught a pass in the flat on the line of scrimmage. Turning downfield, he had one man to beat for a fairly big play. But he couldn’t break the tackle and was stopped three yards short of the line to gain. Aaron Jones, or any front line running back, breaks that tackle. 

-- Maybe it’s just my imagination, but when the camera takes a tight shot of Matt LaFleur on the sideline, he has this bewildered look on his face, as if he has no idea why this is happening, and no clue how to fix it. 

 

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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Razer's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:32 am

The Murphy/Gutekunst team missed the window to move Rodgers last year with Hackett going to Denver. Send him with a friend to an AFC West team for a boat load of picks. The simple truth is that Rodgers was never going to lead us to another Super Bowl as all of our early playoff exits demonstrate. We held onto to him too long.

As for the rest of the underperformance and misadventures on the field, you only need to look at the coaching. Matt Lafleur is a coordinator at best. Robert Saleh did the same thing to the Packers O-line when he was with San Fran then did it again with his stunts yesterday. Out-coached and underprepared is the reoccurring theme with Matt and his friends.

Sorry, the Packers made it to the top of their ladder a couple of years ago - they just didn't know it was the top.

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Guam's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:25 am

As a long time Packer fan, I wish I could disagree with you Razer, but I can't. Every point is spot on, sadly.

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KenEllis's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:41 am

This part of the article is spot on: "The Aaron Rodgers era is over. ... The Packers will never contend for a Super Bowl again with Rodgers under center."

This part of the article, is either trolling or just plain wrong: "Turns out the Packers are not a contender this year. The team has entered the first year of a rebuilding phase. We just didn’t know it. Neither did they."

Plenty of Packer fans advocated moving on from Rodgers this past offseason BEFORE MANAGEMENT TRADED AWAY HIS ONLY WR.

It is a shame the organization never went all in to win a SB like TB and the Rams did the past 2 seasons, because all we will have to show for Rodgers last 12 seasons in GB is a bunch of meaningless NFC North Titles.

Whipee.

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dblbogey's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:30 am

MANAGEMENT OFFERED DAVANTE MORE MONEY. Devante wanted out, turned down more money from the Packers, and you're blaming the Packers management for trading him away?

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KenEllis's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:48 am

Management knew Adams wanted out, waited until after free agency began to trade him instead of proactively trying to replace him, and then pretended that adding 2nd and 4th round rookies and Hammy Watkins was all that was needed to go 'ALL IN' to compete for a Super Bowl in 2022?

Only those incapable of taking off the Green & Gold goggles bought that song and dance.

Management with foresight would have traded Rodgers this past off-season instead of giving him a huge new deal.

Luckily for Packer management, "loyal' Packer fans are always their to defend whatever Management does no matter how stupid it is.

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:25 am

Agree entirely. The last dance became another one and then another. I do think we could have done more with what we have with a decent Head Coach—LaFleur is exacerbating not minimizing the issues, but your take is correct and always looked the more likely outcome heading into this season. Personally I think it was Murphy, but it happened regardless and that is all that matters in the short term.

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jurp's picture

October 17, 2022 at 05:50 pm

"The Packers have now entered the multi-year process of acquiring new, young talent that will one day be the nucleus of the next window, the next Super Bowl contending era. "

Sure would've been easier if we'd gotten the same deal the Seahawks got. They'll be a league power again after drafting their QB of the future next year. And where will we be? Thanks Murphy!

And yeah, your points about MLF are spot on. Can't see Murphy moving away from him, though, unless the team really shits the bed this year.

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stockholder's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:32 am

Even the best laid plans can - suck. Yes, Problem #1 is the OL. Problem #2 Wrs. -( They just can't stay healthy. ) And maybe we should include the TEs. Even though Tonyan had his best game. Regardless - Love will never be the answer, or any QB. Until they fix #1 and #2.

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:48 am

Really? Love was zipping out those balls near the end. Although I agree with you, OL should be fixed now, and WR somehow in next years draft.

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Rebecca's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:31 am

Love had two of his 5 passes nearly picked off, and this was garbage time for the Jets. Love has little field vision but has a strong arm. What to do?

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PeteK's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:51 am

Agree, I know he was cold off the bench ,but his poor accuracy to open WRs disappointed me.

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:39 am

Like the one that bounced off hands?

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PeteK's picture

October 17, 2022 at 03:46 pm

That was thrown behind the WR.

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Oppy's picture

October 17, 2022 at 06:58 pm

Literally no worse than a good deal of Rodgers throws behind WRs every single game. The difference is it took love less than 2 seconds to identify the WR and get the ball out.

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Oppy's picture

October 17, 2022 at 06:58 pm

Each ball thrown by Love was a catchable ball.

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Razer's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:40 am

Totally true Stockholder. Both the O-line and D-line have been weak points on this team. If you aren't winning in the trenches - you aren't winning.

Your second point about the WR is also valid, although, I would go a step further and say that we don't have enough talent at either the WR or TE position. At best we have a WR2 talent, the rest are WR3 and PS players. We only use TE for blocking.

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stockholder's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:35 am

I believe they have the talent at WR. But they're still in a MVS/ St. Brown Mode. Which won't change until they get all 3 Rookies on the field at once. The current WR problem; is that they don't TAKE THE PRESSURE off one another. You just can't send 1 deep. Without the TEs. And if Lewis only blocks. TE can't be a relief valve.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:22 am

The crime was zero TEs drafted in this very good class of 2022. The Sternberger reach vs picking McLaurin showed the amateur hour losers in the draft room. Newman has regressed and they leave him in to risk the 50
Million $ man. Why is Lewis on this squad? Did they miss again with Myers? The Chiefs tossed in three newbies for their O line in '21 and they are performing. Trey Smith was a #1 pick until his heart issue; K.C. did their Homework. The pace of the offense has to speed up. Will Watkins last for a game when he returns??

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:30 am

I think that you are right, but LaFleur’s approach to the rookies, ultimately the season, preseason and game planning and hiring issues are now a factor. I don’t think we can fix this with him to an extent worth throwing more cap at. He’s just about got this as wrong as one could and just seems at a loss.

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dobber's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:34 am

Clearly the Jets had no fear of 85 yesterday, and 12 threw him the ball (when he wasn't getting pounded). Tonyan had six catches against TB earlier in the year, and I thought he was ready to take off. He's looking better every week. Who's going to join him?

I've seen a lot of folks pounding on the defense, but they played well enough for a credible offense (and ST that doesn't honk a FG or punt) to win, and they have most weeks. They were more aggressive and--if you look at the game flow--they were good enough. The missing part is takeaways--they need to start generating turnovers. Bottom line is that right now, the defense needs to be nearly flawless for this rambling and punchless offense to win games.

"Everybody loves AJ Dillon but games like this illustrate why he works better as a supplementary back rather than a featured guy."

The lack of snaps for 33 was almost criminal yesterday. Dillon isn't Derrick Henry, he's Mike Alstott. He needs his Warrick Dunn to make it go.

I still find myself asking the question, "Why Winfree when they could use his limited snaps to see what they have in Toure?" Is Toure really that far away?...and if so, then why give him a roster spot?

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egbertsouse's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:57 am

They pound on the defense because when GB got a TD and made the score 17-10 and the team needed a couple stops, what happened? The vaunted defense folded like a cheap suit. That has been the pattern for years. In crunch time, defense disappears. No toughness.

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stockholder's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:39 am

The Rookie LB -Walker made mistakes late.( Going to happen ). Lowrey always gets blocked in. Making the LBs vulnerable.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:37 am

He has Walker reading, not attacking. Campbell can be the detective. This guy Barry, is a fraud.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:49 pm

This year the all pro Campbell looks like a chaser, another AJ Hawk making tackles late after big gainers or first downs. Barry has transitioned him to be a zone ILB to read and react from deep behind the line of scrimmage. His run fits are awful now, for some reason. Last year he was blowing up plays and meeting RBs in the hole. Not this year. Tentative and kind of timid. Where did Campbell the Destroyer disappear to?

Has he even defended a single pass? The QB passer rating when He's targeted must be very high.

Walker, as a rookie, was expected to have growing pains. He doesn't seem to be getting better, however.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:03 am

"Tonyan had six catches against TB earlier in the year, and I thought he was ready to take off. He's looking better every week. Who's going to join him?"

Answer is simple - Deguara! He showed himself vs Giants and again vs Jests. I also remember his sole TD on bullet from ACR last season when announcers said that they can not believe anyone can catch that ball!

"Why Winfree when they could use his limited snaps to see what they have in Toure?"

Because ACR asked for it. He said several times that Winfree should be playing. And that is the only logical explanation.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:02 am

I agree completely about Deguara. He looks like he is emerging and could be a part of the solution.

Perhaps more 2 TE sets with Deguara!

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:30 am

The guy was having a solid game and they move away from him. Set him in the I-formation with A.Jones and attack the edge. Run counters and do they understand the concept of trap action and draw plays?? Dillon has the wiggle of a cement block. Get him into power mode. Just run the WCO; back to basics is the hint, Rodgers is inferring....The O line has to be reconfigured, as in now.

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:38 am

I think LaFleur is timid with rookies. But I also think Winfree was a sop to Rodgers. It was a poor decision based on performance. Toure outplayed Winfree in camp consistently and Winfree is hardly a veteran. It’s just numbskull coaching yet again.

As was 4 touches for Jones in the first half and the non use of Cobb (pre injury). Lazard needs help but we use him in isolation. Doubs is just left to beat his man as if he were Adams. We got very lucky on Lazards big catch that the CB fell away at the last minute (and Lazard then pulled off a blinder). Deguara comes in and gets a first down and vanishes again. This O is in disarray before Rodgers gets to make a call or throw.

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Oppy's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:08 pm

Agree on Tonyun and the Defense.

Dillon is a back that needs to be decisive and go. When he hesitates at the LOS and tries to redirect, he breaks his momentum and will often get stopped for no gain or minimal yards.

When Dillon is decisive and picks his hole, he drops the shoulder pads and accelerates through the LOS and, generally speaking, he's going to either break the first tackle or take a pile of men on his way to the turf, picking up good yardage and possibly breaking into open field.

I understand he's looking for cutback for the big gainer, but he's got the power to make no-gainers into respectable gainers and demoralize and wear down a defensive front if he just commits and accelerates. Agree about 33. Maybe they were concerned about whatever was happening with his leg/knee.

Winfree over Toure: Almost assuredly a Rodgers trust thing. There's something to be said for giving the guy who's been around awhile his opportunity, but get Toure on the field. He is part of the future.

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Starrbrite's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:28 pm

Exactly right —Dillon is NOT a featured back—how do we all know/see this and LeFluke not?

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NickPerry's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:37 am

"-- Maybe it’s just my imagination, but when the camera takes a tight shot of Matt LaFleur on the sideline, he has this bewildered look on his face, as if he has no idea why this is happening, and no clue how to fix it."

No Ken, it's not your imagination. Remember when Matt LaFleur was hired by Mark Murphy (It WAS Murphy) and he had that "Deer in the headlights" look? Watching LaFleur this season has reminded me a little of that day. He looks lost, stunned, and frankly looks like he doesn't have a clue how to fix this.

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PeteK's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:24 am

LF, for me, is a proven winner. A study of winning teams will show that they run the same system with minor tinkering here and there with some to take advantage of new players. The majority of times defenses and offenses know what's coming, but it is execution and talent that wins. That was one of the worst o line fiascos that I have seen from the Pack in decades, Bac was good and Runyon ok, but the rest were liken to a rendition of the Keystone cops. Jenkins in the first half and Newman the whole game were so bad , I started to feel pity for them.

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:49 am

Rodgers plus LaFleur equals Rodgers. LaFleur is, at best, a non factor. At worst his inept game planning and motivation and poor personnel choices and hires mean that he held Rodgers back. LaFleur has been proved to have been simply riding the coat tails if Rodgers and, typically, that involves pulling him back. Certainly I do not recall us looking back at games and congratulating LaFleur on getting us past an opponent we d probably shouldn’t have through superior motivation, innovative calls or tactically out thinking the opponent. It’s usually us overcoming those.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 17, 2022 at 01:20 pm

Agree with you and this dysfunction is easily seen on the field...so how is it affecting the O Players in the locker room? They have to be very frustrated. AJ has to be beside himself.

And now ML has 2nd major problem beginning to boil with the defensive play and players. With the talent on the D, playing so passively with soft zone and 4 man pressures has to be a sore spot for the guys. Stokes does not play zone well, Alexander the Great should NEVER play it, and Douglas flopping in the slot took several games for Barry to realize. The ILBs are standing deep behind the line of scrimmage watching plays develop, reacting late. 4 man pressures on journeyman QBs.

Matt the OC has to be a HC now. Or will he continue to run the football team by committee the same way Mark Murphy runs the front office?

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:37 am

I tried to find hope, but this is what the reality is:

This team is not very good. They are bad, in fact. Rodgers looks old and like he had too much Ayauhasca. Newman is awful, I don’t know why Tom hasn’t replaced him. Why are we starting Jenkins on the outside when he’s coming back from an ACL and his mobility is limited? Why is Aaron Jones not more involved? Bad coaching decision-making and play calling (don’t know why we go deep for it when that isn’t our strength).

On defense, the unit has some studs, like Gary, Clark, and Alexander, and others that are good, like P. Smith and Amos, but everyone else is overrated. Play has been bad overall, and outside of these players, the others have not done well. Part of it could be coaching, as well, although in the first half, at least, I thought Barry did better, but not good enough.

I agree with you Ken, If it were me I would get a better GM and competent HC and DC and a better owner than Mark Murphy too. We have to remove the roots of the problem, not just cut off the leaves.

STs laid some ugly eggs, but that could just be because the blocking was bad. However, we also blocked a punt as well. Bissacia, even through the lumps, has done an amazing job, though, revamping the STs.

It is time for a rebuild. Gutsy needs to make trade moves now. He should look to trade Bakh and Jones (old players who could get some good capital), Lowry, Reed, and Amos (players in the final year of their contract), Lewis and Cobb (guys who deserve to win a SB ring) and cut Rodgers at the end of the season. Play Love for decent chunks of each game. MLF and Barry are not the right guys for the job, and if it wasn’t evident before, it is now. Invest in Love, see what Tom can do, and be smart. After MLF is gone, some interesting options for head coach could be Ben Johnson (Lions OC), Shane Steichen (Eagles OC), DeMeco Ryans (49ers DC) or Ejiro Evero (Broncos DC).

Gutey has been the only decent leader, although he whiffed on drafting players like Devin Lloyd and Alec Pierce. Everyone else should certainly go except for Bissacia, and Gutey perhaps could go. It is time to do the responsible thing and rebuild around Love - time to start over.

Last year was the best shot the Packers have ever had at winning the Super Bowl. Their offense was great, their defense was good, with Gary and the Smith bros. Rodgers failed them when they needed him the most, though. If he threw to wide-open Allan Lazard instead of targeting Adams in double coverage on their final play of the game, the Packers most likely kick the FG and win. He let us down, and now we are going to be bad for awhile. Oh well.

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PeteK's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:07 am

Blame this and blame that is BS. When 4 lineman beat up 5-7 blockers all game long with no blitzing, no coach or player in the history of NFL can overcome that. I was very confident especially with the return of Bac and Jenkins that the O line would be an improvement on an already good line. This is the most puzzling part of this season for me. If you lose in the trenches winning consistently is virtually impossible.

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:52 am

I would argue that we have done everything possible to make the O Line’s task as hard as possible. Add in a maybe mistaken coaching decisions, some personnel usage that has been baffling and it becomes a symptom not the cause.

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Handsback's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:42 am

Wow, that article hurt but probably very accurate. The Packers don't seem to be playing as a team. The oline is an example of that. Maybe individually they are rated ok, but they need to function as a unit. Yesterday they didn't look like they had played more than a week together. I think the coaching exodus last year has disrupted their chemistry along with Jenkins and Baks delayed starts.
I hope Ken is wrong, but afraid he's right.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:50 am

I hear you. Ken fast-forwarded through the five stages of grief for us. It's not going to be that easy for me, and I can see my denial more clearly now after the loss yesterday. The needs of this team are overwhelming, and right now there doesn't seem to be leaders within each position group to help move attitudes in the right direction. We've seen effective leadership isn't going to come from LaFleur.

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Starrbrite's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:36 pm

Yep—LeFluke doesn’t know if he should $hit or go blind!

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NickPerry's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:20 pm

"I think the coaching exodus last year has disrupted their chemistry along with Jenkins and Baks delayed starts.

I remember when MLF named his assistant coaches back in 2019 when LaFleur was hired and with EVERY hire I thought to myself and out loud here on CHTV, "Who in the hell are these guys"?

Together they seemed to function pretty well as an offensive staff and by 2020 that offense was pretty good. IIRC they converted 80% of their red zone trips. It dipped to 58.5 in 202, this year I haven't looked. My point is that Steno IS NOT an offensive Coordinator, he's an O-Line coach. I thought the Clements hire might have been a smart hire but I'm really starting to wonder now.

I think they really miss Hackett and Getsy. Now I'm not saying Rodgers sudden demise wouldn't be happening but just go to Packers.com and LOOK who are the Packers Offensive Coaches. The TE coach was a first-year analyst last year for the Packers for example and I think this staff is littered with CHEAP, inexperienced Offensive coaches who have NO IDEA what the hell to do right now.

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4thand1's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:58 am

History is repeating itself , Favre= Rodgers. Hung on too long, can't teach an old dog new tricks, coaches afraid to coach the pre-madonna super star QB. LAME LAME LAME. All you keep hearing from the media is, " as long as you have AR." That's all you heard at the end of Favre's career in GB, " as long as you have BF." MLF has a lot of work to do, we'll see what he's really made of, so far he's out to lunch.

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T7Steve's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:58 am

I think they're setting up Brian Gutekunst to take over for Mark Murphy following his retirement. Just a gut feeling. Don't know if that's bad or good right now. After yesterday the gut's not doing very well.

Even the announcer Greg Olsen was calling out the right guard on plays. The Jets were just swinging someone around to his spot and on some plays Newman was trying to help Meyers, or some trying to help Jenkins and letting them go or he was just standing looking. One play he even let the lineman go and tried to block the linebacker behind him. 4 sacks right there. I didn't see Runyan get blown up as Ken noted above but I think everyone on the line had at least one bad moment.

At least the O is starting to have consistency now. Instead of just playing one half they're mailing in the whole game (maybe give them one drive). STs and D are not far behind.

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:21 pm

I have always suspected that that Murphy would propose Russ Ball

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jurp's picture

October 17, 2022 at 05:58 pm

Yuck.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:59 am

Tonyan had a lot of targets and catches but has no explosiveness. His YAC is negligible, he looks like he has concrete shoes.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:05 am

Today is a day to not overreact. But it is a day to react!

I have been thinking about this since the game of what I could write for game balls. Who deserves a game ball. I was going to go with special teams. And then they gave up the blocked punt. I was going to go with a lot of players on the defense. And then they basically collapsed in the mid/late 2nd half. So my game balls is short today.

Game Balls:

Bobby Tonyan -
He was the one consistent player on offense. The one guy that caught every catchable ball. The one guy the Rodgers could rely on.

Lame Calls:

OL -
The OL is the biggest cause to why the offense struggled yesterday. They didn't open holes to run the ball. They allowed way to much pressure.
Its time to blow this thing up. I don't know what the answer is, but I know any answer that has Newman in it, is not the right one. I saw he gave up 6 pressures yesterday. He was benched for Hanson. But then went back in after Hanson went out. I don't get why they didn't put Tom in there at that point. I will lay out a few thoughts for the OL.

First - The easiest fix. The easiest fix is to replace Newman with Tom. Tom deserves a shot and switching those 2 guys alone could be all that it takes.

Second - The moderately easy fix. If they feel like Tom isn't ready, put Yosh at RT and move Jenkins to RG. Jenkins might be playing out of position at RT. He could slide inside and possibly solidify the entire middle of the OL. Yosh had been good at LT. Not sure if he can really move to RT. Maybe they feel like Tom could move to RT and he would be that guy. So they have options.

Third - Blow it up fix. The last time that Bakhtiari played he had Jenkins next to him. They had chemistry. When Bakhtiari and Jenkins were out, Yosh and Runyan played a lot of snaps next to each other. They have built chemistry. Right now there is no chemistry with the players next to each other on the stunts. So this is a big move proposal. Bakhtiari, Jenksin, Myers, Runyan, Yosh. I don't think they make this many big moves. But putting Jenkins next to Bakhtiari gives those guys the level of comfortability to play with each other. Moving Runyan to RG would be a switch footwork wise, but he has comfortability with Yosh next to him. Yosh if he can play RT, has comfortability with Runyan. This in the long term may give them the best OL possible.

Fourth - Surprising rookie. Walker has been inactive for most of the games. Which suggests Tom is ahead of him in the pecking order. But if they don't think Tom can play RG or RT. perhaps they turn to another Rookie. Walker at RT. Move Jenkins inside, put Walker at RT. They can always give him help with RB's and TE's chipping.

All I know is that the OL can't have Newman in it anymore. He wasn't the only problem yesterday, but he is the one guy who consistently allows pressure. They have to make a change. If they feel that Jenkins will be fine at RT, then they have to put Tom at RG. If they feel that Jenkins is out of position at RT, then move him inside solidify the interior and put Yosh, Tom or Walker at RT.

Three and Out:

- Offensive skilled positions struggled. They had 5 drops. Lazard had a 3rd down and 2 that he had in his hands and let get punched away. Winfree had one that if he catches likely gets a first down, and he flat out dropped. Dillon really struggled in this game. Rodgers was a bit off on some throws too.

- Defense and special teams were playing really good. Until the blocked punt for a TD. That was the game changer.

- One sign of hope. The final drive by the Jets got them to the redzone. It was first and 10 from the 13. 3 plays they got first and goal at the 3. They ran 2 plays and then had an unnecessary roughness penalty giving them a first and goal at the 2. They stopped them the next 2 plays making it 3rd and goal at the 1. They stopped them, but had an offsides penalty for another try. They stopped them again. The Jets had 9 plays inside the redzone and didn't score a TD.
That gives me some hope. They did not fold. They did not allow them to score there. That to me shows the fight at the end when there was no chance they had to win. They played with pride! That is my hope. There is fight with this team! I'm not hitting the panic button yet. But keyword is yet.

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SteelyPhil's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:05 am

"It only hurts now because we were convinced this team was still in the championship mix. By next fall, we will have adjusted our expectations, and we’ll all enjoy small signs of progress and watching the gradual resurgence of our great franchise."

I've been thinking this since the disappointing end to last season after a string of disappointing ends to seasons with near-contenders. I was OK moving on from Rodgers in the off-season and starting the rebuild with Love now. We did get a ring with him and we all had a lot of fun watching football for 15 years, but this organization with Rodgers seemed to have reached an invisible, impenetrable ceiling, fated to fall short year after year after year. The post-Rodgers future, on the other hand, is a beautiful mystery.

Still, most of us were eagerly anticipating the start of this "all-in" season, with the construction of what on paper looked like a top-5 defense, the prospect of a healthy offensive line with Jenkins and Bakhtiari for the first time in almost 2 years, the reinvention of the Rodgers/MLF offense without Davante, etc. What a miserable 6 games it's been. Watching yesterday's game was like experiencing all of the negative energy from a decade's worth of failures condensing into a single point, because it truly felt over. We have to shamble to the end of the season because time's march forward is inexorable, but the lack of joy and heart the players project on the field appropriately encapsulates how I feel about this season's team. Will we even make the postseason, let alone win the North? Despite the 3-3 record, this team hasn't put 4 quarters of football on the field that makes me believe they can beat anyone on a consistent basis.

Week 6 is very early to pronounce the end of the 2022 Packers' season and miracles do sometimes happen. But that's what it will take. I've seen nothing from this organization at any level that makes me believe they can manifest one.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 17, 2022 at 06:40 pm

watching the lifeless players on the sidelines, they seem to know its over, no excitement, nothing, I think the know MLF doesn't have it to fire up these men and come up with in game adjustments...I mean, who, game after game features Dillon over an dynamic game breaker like Jones?? And once again the draft is not giving the team much support...getting free agent WR who has been constantly injured and is again...something stinks in upper management and coaching staff..

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Starrbrite's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:42 pm

Exactly!

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Johnblood27's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:25 am

The saying "so long as we have AR..." still rings true.

It used to mean we could beat anybody.

It now means we can't beat anybody.

This teams problems are certainly not all AR's fault... but the truth of the statements above is indisputable.

It
Is
Over.

I, like Ken, will look for the small steps of progress that happen when a team is in rebuild and currently does not have enough pieces to fill all the holes.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:39 am

If there is any self-honesty in ACR and love for the team, he should ask for himself to be benched while he is nursuring his injury. He should understand that it is the time for retirement. I'm all to have him as help for Jordan Love and to be there this season for emergency to come back on the field in necessity. But, I have no delusion he will do that.

This is not said to downlevel his past successes or to say that he was not great QB. This is something what I hope to avoid Ben Roethlisberger scenario, what will jeopardize collective memory of his contribution to Packers success through ~15 seasons.

I know that Mark Murphy contrubute a lot to Packers financial success at his position, but he also need to understand that he need to let people who knows how to run football part of organization to run that part of it. He made a lot of bad decisions by his requests that are not in the best decision for Packers football team.

What I'll be doing at this moment is that I would put Brian Gutekunst in the chief position and let him to run this part till the end of the season. Let BG to prove himself he is capable to turn around how this team function.

If that means some additional costs for changing coaching by position or bringing someone new to the staff, let him do that. Also, I'll try to talk to ACR and to explain him that he should take care of his real duties and to forget to suggests which player should be kept (prove that he is not good at that are Jake Kumerrow and Juan Winfree), in influencing on game plans and play calling, etc.

This is very sad situation Packers are in. They might get win over Commanders, Lions and Bears (additional 4 wins) but I really doubt that they will win the teams on the rest of the schedule if changes will not be substantial.

Yes, I'll play Jordan Love (ASAP) to evaluate where to start after this season. If that will be done, we may finish the season with those 3 wins, but if Jordan Love show constant improvement than Packers may win few more games and have a new QB for 2023. Do not forget that Wilson played for Jets last season with quite bad record, but he is playing much, much better this season. And that is true for several young QBs.

I'm not try to assess which player has potential and who not. I have not enough knowledge to do that. But I'm sure, there is enough capable experts in Packers organization to that. Let them do their jobs.

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PeteK's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:08 am

I thought Rogers showed toughness and grit yesterday considering the O line shambles. Maybe bc I was in a down mood, but I lost some confidence in Love, with the game over and D not attacking , he was so inaccurate. it just gave me a bad premonition.

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Coldworld's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:00 pm

It’s a thin line between gutting it out and making things worse. I’m still not sure if we made the right choice. As to Love, tough to come in cold and get straight into rhythm with no time and at least one bounced off hands. I did notice he found open targets if I want to try to find positives, but in all honesty, I don’t think we learnt much or that he got a fair enough shake to read anything into.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 17, 2022 at 01:27 pm

Well, first he played with players he was not practicing with. I doubt that he is involved in practice with Lazard, Tonyan, Doubs, AJ, Dillon... His only players he was practice with was possibly Winfree who already had to drops.

Also, he have to be surprised to found that he will play the last series. So, with no preparation and not developed timing with the receivers, what would you expect?

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PeteK's picture

October 17, 2022 at 03:59 pm

As a backup I would think he gets some reps with the firsts.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 18, 2022 at 02:36 am

It might be, but is that enough to develop timing with the receivers? Or to recognize their running patterns, or to learn the way of catching the throw for each of them? I doubt they are just taking the snaps from ACR and giving Love enough time to develop timing with starters...

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Guam's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:41 am

The O-line is not good and Newman is bad. The guy simply can't figure out how to block a stunt. Every time the Jets ran a stunt, he slid away from his gap to help either Myers or Jenkins, leaving a gaping hole for a free rusher at QB1. Never once did he figure out that just maybe a defensive lineup would be stunting back into his gap.......... RCPacker outlined all the options and I don't care which one they take as long as Newman starts next week on the bench. If Newman is in the starting lineup against Washington, it will be one more indictment of MLFs coaching inadequacies.

Ken Lass hit on a sensitive point, but I think he is spot on - Rodgers is looking old. After watching the Bills - Chiefs game and two of the best young QBs in the league, Rodgers' declining mobility and increasing inaccuracy under pressure were quite evident. He was the MVP for the last two seasons, but Father TIme has caught up with Aaron Rodgers in a hurry. Maybe that's why Davante Adams is in Las Vegas - he saw this coming and wanted to finish his career with a younger QB.

Unfortunately Mark Murphy did not see this coming and did not take the loaded deal from Denver to kick start our rebuild. Jordan Love may or may not be the Packers future, but Aaron Rodgers most certainly is not the Packers future. Big miss on Murphy's part.

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Packers1985's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:34 am

"Rodgers is looking old. After watching the Bills - Chiefs game and two of the best young QBs in the league, Rodgers' declining mobility and increasing inaccuracy under pressure were quite evident. He was the MVP for the last two seasons, but Father TIme has caught up with Aaron Rodgers in a hurry. Maybe that's why Davante Adams is in Las Vegas - he saw this coming and wanted to finish his career with a younger QB."

Couldn't agree more the most puzzling is not only signing him but letting wr's go and neglecting the WR's and TE group for years and the drafted oline quality dropping has made the decision seem even more worse. Now with cobb being out for atleast 6 weeks whom we have now that the defenses have to scheme for none. Hopefully Gutey dont fall for too much of RAS stuff and draft real Players not potentials to give Love a chance next year. Coming to this year i fear the season is over even if we turn it around we dont have the enough talent on the offensive side to win against the better teams we are going face after the commanders.

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NickPerry's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:39 pm

I've been SUPER supportive of Gute and time will tell if he did a good job on the 2022 draft class. BUT, right now it's not looking especially good.

Quay Walker is okay and I think could REALLY become a good player. The issue is with Barry's Defense who the hell knows?

Wyatt can't even get on the field. He was supposed to be a guy who would be able to come right in and help Clark since he was older than most players in the draft (24 years old).

But the pick I'm freaking out about is Watson. Personally I would have waited, let the board come to me and draft Pickens and Pierce or Pickens and Brisker, or Pickens and fill in the blank.

I may be proven wrong and I still have a lot of hope for Watson. I just think The Packers should have used all their picks, not traded one to move up for a a WR from a FCS school.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 18, 2022 at 02:46 am

Nick, some players, even from top college needs more time to adjust themselves. There is so big fame around ACR that it may produce high level of stress with young receivers that cause drops, running wrong routes or just mental block at the crucial moments. It is interesting that Watson had no problems to catch the ball from Jordan Love. I would not exclude this as possibility.

High level of adrenaline often produce either slower or much faster reaction on the move (depends on person) that is not something player is doing on purposes. Just that. I remember one story told by James Dean. When he needed to have scene with Liz Taylor, he was so under the stress he thought he might not do it. Then he decided to go in front of the crowd in the stands, he put his trousers down and piss in front of them. He claimed later that he thought if he can do that, he can do everything, even to shot scene with Liz Taylor. That was the true adrenaline in the system.

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GBPDAN1's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:44 am

I don't see Rodgers wanting to play through a rebuild. How much dead money cap hit will we take next year if he retires? Should have traded him when the value was there after 2 MVP seasons

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Cubbygold's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:38 am

This team has no options at this point. They chose to roll with 12 one more time and there's nothing but pain if it doesn't end in a super bowl.

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NickPerry's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:41 pm

Post June 1st a bit over $75 million...

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vin0770's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:48 am

Do you watch the ball at the snap and what the guy is doing with it? Don’t. It’s not a cliche the game is won and lost at the LOS. On the snap just count one Mississippi and take note of who’s LOS is he game is being played on. Both sides of the ball. Sad.

My son lives in NC and we text each other through out the game but yesterday he didn’t get the game and told me so. I sent one text “the O line is getting handled, gonna be a long day.”

Give the D line credit in the first half for hanging in there for the punt fest. Then there’s the second half and the D line runs out of gas. How many consecutive handoffs for the TD and the game is over? There isn’t a team left on the schedule that doesn’t see this…if you got the big boys willing to man up, it’s just a matter of time before they impose their will.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:17 am

One thing pretty much everyone on here agreed on (and that's saying something) over the past 3 years was that Adam Stenavich was one hell of an OL coach. Since his elevation to OC (what exactly does an OC who doesn't call plays coordinate?) the OL seems to be an absolute mess. Obviously, injuries have played a part, but it just seems like players are playing out of position...EJ looks totally lost at RT...players who struggle (Newman, Hanson) keep getting playing time.

A poster above noted that moving EJ back to his natural position at LG would put him next to Bahk who he has familiarity with. Likewise, Runyan and Yosh have familiarity as well, so it seems they would make the most sense at RG and RT.

I'm not sure who is making the calls on the Oline...Butkus or Steno...but they need to find the best five who work together and stick with that lineup to give the line consistency. Until this Oline mess is straightens out, I don't see this offense ever jelling.

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Todd's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:39 am

Fact is the Packers are just not a very good football team right now, and any notion that having Rodgers makes the Packers immune to a lost season definitely faded yesterday. The Packers have the talent and track record to turn their season around, but it cannot be taken for granted.

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Cubbygold's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:48 am

I've generally been a fan of MLF, just in the sense that at times it seemed like he was moving this offense away from the hero ball mentality that plagued them for so many years.

After the end of last year and now this year, I have to start wondering if MLF is just an OC that's risen beyond his capabilities. Special teams decisions last year, multiple stubborn DCs, questionable decisions on OL starting lineups... Not all on him, draft decisions and injuries blur the issues, but he just doesn't seem to have the leadership skills that are necessary to manage a team. Getting up and taking the blame for everything every week is what a leader should say, but he doesn't follow through. And it's on him for fielding a team with no resiliency or ability to withstand pressure.

I think when Rodgers goes and this next era begins, he might need to be scrutinized as much as anyone.

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701Packer's picture

October 17, 2022 at 09:59 am

"The Aaron Rodgers era is over. What an incredible run it was. We were privileged to watch the career of the greatest quarterback in franchise history. .... The Packers will never contend for a Super Bowl again with Rodgers under center. "

This is what bugs me about how they are playing, this is essentially what my thought was this past off-season before his extension. They had two very good opportunities (2020-21) to win a championship, and came up short. I was ready for the Jordan Love era, and now we probably won't even get that because of Rodgers contract.

I didn't think this team would be quite this bad this season, but certainly not a top team. They are stale against teams they should beat. They will get rolled by the Bills in two weeks. Will that wake them up?

2 points
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Renllaw's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:27 am

I know I'm gonna get crushed for this....

But holy crap guys.... Matt LaFluer is 42–13...... And Still a VERY young HC.

Let's give the man a chance to navigate through this. It's his 1st taste of real adversity.
What we see as fans seems obvious, but how many called runs get can'd into passes, or RPO'd?
He has a QB legend that does not seem interested in running his offense, just wants to heave it down the field and be a hero.
He has tried to be loyal and promote from within the staff.... new OC, new OL coach, new QB coach, new WR coach. A Mistake? Maybe.
Will he learn and change up? That is the question. Only time will tell. But we need to give him that time.

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stockholder's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:57 am

I agree. Their draft showed where they thought the problems were. And We knew these veteran WRs, had issues with injuries. But it takes time for WRs to get on the same page with a QB. We not only lost WRs, But coaches.
After years of neglecting the DL and ILB. They pointed to it. Rookies won't change that overnight.
And while everyone has an opinion on Rodgers. Love was not the QB to replace him. - He will never be ready.
Gutey has made mistakes. And the windows of players will close, before he gets to correct them.
We must give this coach a chance to shorten the time lost.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:07 pm

They still needed to bag an OT in round one or two. I was not a fan of the Walker move. Use the ones on WR, OT/DT, then get into the ILB round two and the DT/OT. The three pick on Rhyan was not clouding my view, but he should have been trained at RT. Quite a few TEs drafted in round four '22, are having a good season. Never was sold on Gutedkunst running the player side.

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vin0770's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:37 pm

After watching MLF for four years I think he’s clearly been tell us who he is…home game in the snow the D doesn’t give up a td and lose…three second half interceptions by Brady…nothing. What are his top three come from behind vs a good team and out coach them to a win..?

What’s he going to change about himself…they say a leopard doesn’t change his spot! I’m not optimistic 😢

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 17, 2022 at 02:08 pm

Fair enough. He is also 2-3 in the playoffs with a future HOF, back to back MVP, with two of those losses coming at Lambeau.

My feeling is more urgent realizing how easily this team could be sitting 0-6 right now. 3-3 with their tough road schedule at Washington, Buffalo, Detroit, home vs Dallas and quick Thursday turnaround vs Titans at home.

Matt is a great young man. But he is mostly a glorified OC. Like MM, he spends most of his time on O and unlike coaches like John Harbaugh and Belichick who coach the entire team during the week and on game day. If you are going to delegate away the D and STs, better make excellent coaching hires. I don't think he has.

He will be given time to fix widening cracks because Murphy would never admit a mistake.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 17, 2022 at 06:33 pm

yah think his HOF QB had anything to do with his record?? Now Rodgers has a WR who would be #3 on any other team and a terrible O line and MLF has no answers...flatlined...and Barry?? lol

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Since'61's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:33 am

Game Balls: Tonyan

Lame Calls: The rest of the team, including the coaches. Especially in the 2nd half.

How did we get here? biggest lame call of all is on Mark Murphy. Murphy is the President of a non-profit organization. His primary role is to maintain and possibly expand the revenue streams and to protect the brand. Basically Murphy's role is to "Carry the G." In NFL terms Murphy fulfills his role by keeping the Packers relevant in the league. Keeping the team relevant is different strategically than a team owner who wants to win now at all costs.

Examples of Murphy keeping the Packers relevant include; The Titletown District, hiring MLF and signing Rodgers to his current extension.
Titletown leverages Packers history and hopefully makes Green Bay a year round destination which creates additional revenue for the Packers and for the Green Bay community. That only works while the Packers are winning and the Packer mystique remains alive and well on the national stage.
Hiring MLF an alleged offensive genius in an offensive happy NFL means that the Packers will at least create the impression of a new modern offense led by an up and coming NFL Head Coach. Speaking for myself I never hired anyone for any position after one meeting/interview. It shows a complete lack of depth in the hiring process and in the thinking of the leader of the organization.
Extending Rodgers is the underpin of the strategy. Without Rodgers the Packers might fall into NFL irrelevance quickly. Even losing with Rodgers is better than losing with Love or another QB. Why? Because Murphy is in it for the shorter term. He will likely retire when Rodgers retires or shortly thereafter. He can off into the retirement with the claim of keeping the Packers relevant during his entire tenure as team President. He will probably join the Executive board after retiring as team President. In the best case scenario he gets another SB with Rodgers before he retires although that is beginning to look less and less likely.

Basically Murphy has left the Packers with inadequate coaching, a salary cap mess and an aging QB who they are going to pay $50 million to sit on the bench while they try out Love unless Rodgers is seriously injured. He'll play through the thumb injury unless the medical team says that he can't play.

How did new get here? Ask Mark Murphy. His approach for keeping the team relevant may in fact have brought the Packers to irrelevance quicker than anyone thought possible thanks to his numerous lame calls. Thanks, Since '61

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Dragon5's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:29 pm

'61, sounds like an executive golden parachute without the parachute and perhaps gangrene in nature lol

What's striking that I have yet to see publicized in the media is how collectively poorly performing LaFlake's coaching tree (Hackett, Getsy, Stenavich) has been. Sherm called out Getsy on TNF.

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fangirl's picture

October 17, 2022 at 10:45 am

Rodgers has a pitiful O-line and no real WR's.I bet if that was attended to, he would re-emerge but not for the SB.
MLF is in over his head as is Barry.

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Packers1985's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:03 am

Agreed Packer's FO took a big gamble of resigning an aging Qb with no WR help and also thinking that when our starting linemen return we'll be good and rolling. But unfortunately it didn't happen and ass a result those ugly 5 games we played this yr except for bears.

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Roadrunner23's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:07 am

THE PACKERS HAVE NO ❤️

That is all…..

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Starrbrite's picture

October 17, 2022 at 08:37 pm

Yes—where are players like Wayne Simmons; Chuck Cecil; Clay Matthew’s?
These folks played with fury, physicality, “heart”.
No one on this team, except for Aaron Jones, Alexander, and perhaps Gary, appear to play lights out.

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jimtalkbox's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:10 am

I'm glad you said it, Ken, because I had the same though over the last few weeks: We're watching the end of the Rodgers era and possibly the Lafleur era, as short as it's been.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

October 17, 2022 at 11:48 am

Ken, just like that line in the movie "An Officer and a Gentleman"...I can't handle the truth.

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PeteK's picture

October 17, 2022 at 04:04 pm

"A Few Good Men" :)

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Johnblood27's picture

October 18, 2022 at 08:48 am

An Officer and a Gentleman was...

"I got no place else to go!" - Zack Mayo

sounds like ACR now...

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

October 18, 2022 at 10:33 am

Thanks PeteK. You know your movies better than I.

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THESZOTMAN1's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:13 pm

Dear Ken-
I always look forward to your weekly post. Sometimes I even put in my own "Game Balls and Lame Calls." But this week, the real crux of your post is your "Big Picture." You lay out clearly and correctly what many fans have known for awhile, but were afraid to admit: this is an 8 win or less team not just this year, but into the near future. I remember the 70s and 80s. I hate to return to those days, but teams ebb and flow. Time to face facts. Time to rebuild, top to bottom.
The Szotman

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Dragon5's picture

October 17, 2022 at 12:51 pm

Way too early, but losing breeds a toxic environment; should this manifest, we expect Murphy & LaFleur (GOATs) to side with one another, the obvious excuse LaFleur is Murphy's HC hire...what we won't expect is enemy sign GUTE (OX) to oppose them; as I've stated in the past, the metaphysical blueprint has perhaps been destined to fail from the beginning. MLF is getting all the blame--don't be surprised if the finger pointing turns to Gute for not adding adequate talent to the roster / handling of Adams situation long before it became a trade request.

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Dragon5's picture

October 17, 2022 at 01:13 pm

pull back the veil reveals a different P.O.V. re: Rodgers...and it falls on Gute

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-green-bay-packers-offense-aaron-rodgers-pan...

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Packerpasty's picture

October 17, 2022 at 06:31 pm

Dillon as the featured guy...someone please tell that to MLF that he is the wrong featured guy...the whole world knows it but MLF...I would like to see Jones on a different team to see what a new coach would get out of him...vastly underused here in MLF's offensive offense...

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Johnblood27's picture

October 18, 2022 at 08:50 am

as he was under MM as well...

Jones is a real stand-up guy for taking all the crap he has from the GBP coaches and just going out there and performing.

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Oppy's picture

October 17, 2022 at 07:21 pm

The Packers are playing lousy football right now, but I can't believe what a bunch of front-running pantywaists Packers fans have become.

There's plenty of time to right the ship and get things in order. The team is not devoid of talent. They're broken at the moment, sure, but there's talent on the roster, and outside of Davante Adams and Billy Turner, the roster is probably stronger than it was the last two years overall.

So suck it up. Sure, the Packers might crash and burn the entire season, but really, not much has changed from 2020 or 2021, so I doubt that's the case. This is an in-between-the-ears issue, not a devoid of talent issue. The team needs leaders- real leaders, not bullshit try-hard roleplay leaders like Rodgers- to step up and prevent the team from breaking rank.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 18, 2022 at 08:51 am

you are hired.

go get 'em tiger!

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