Joseph's Gems: Mining the 2025 Combine
By JosephR
The 2025 Combine has come and gone and your favorite Gemologist left feeling a little....unsatisfied.
But maybe that has more to do with me and less with this draft class. Going into this, I knew this class was going to be a little underwhelming. And it is my hope that like me, Packers' GM Brian Gutekunst is going to trust the tape, but I'm a player in the later rounds for certain prospects. This is a "football player" draft, where you have to just believe that your guy is going to make plays regardless of what the drills may have told you.
However, since I'm not in the Packers front office I have to assume that the metrics from this year's Combine absolutely do matter, and as such I will cater my eventual Gems accordingly. But this class made it very hard for me because so many players across all the position groups opted to not do all the drills, or drills that were innately essential to their performance on the field. I understand pro days are coming, but it's hard for me as a scout to make an accurate projection when there are gaps in the data. Can Gutekunst & The Gang do it? Probably, they get paid millions to do so. As for me, just like your old chemistry teacher in high school, I don't take incomplete work.
So without further ado, notes from the Gemologist on this year's Combine.
QB
I have no idea if Brian Gutekusnt wants another QB to develop, but the eventual value of Malik Willis is probably burning a hole in his pocket. I was floored that so many in the group elected just to do mostly drills when anyone not named Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders had plenty to gain. I was holding out for Bama's Jalen Milroe to rehab himself, but he's probably at best a 5th Rounder now. Louisville's Tyler Shough (9.53) was already stock up but after that 40-yard dash, he's probably priority Day 2 for a team with a signal caller who's maybe a little long in the tooth. Also, time to watch more film on Mizzou's Brady Cook (9.71).
RB
Is it me or did the entire group skip agility drills? I don't know if prospects are starting to game the system, or is it because these guys as a whole collectively aren't agile but it's concerning. I still would want Bhayshul Tuten (9.29) out of Virginia Tech because the tape shows me enough about how he can move. Florida's Montrell Johnson Jr. (9.56) and Kansas' Devin Neal (8.55) are both enticing prospects as well.
WR
Just like the running backs before them, a lot of receivers bowed out of agility, which drew my ire. Arkansas' Isaac TeSlaa probably won't sneak into Day 2 even with his impressive follow-up to the Senior Bowl (9.97u), but on paper, he's a complete athlete and he gives the impression that he'll work his butt off if given an opportunity. Regardless, he's probably still at best a priority Day 3 guy who could maybe push the current Packers' WRs for reps (which could be a good thing for the group overall). Florida's Chimere Dike (9.65) presents himself as a vertical guy out of the slot on Day 3 as well. Until pro days have concluded, Iowa State's Jaylin Noel (9.71) presents himself as a solid option on Day 2, but would Gutekunst pull the trigger on another receiver at 5'10 (only Amari Rodgers and Jayden Reed under 6 feet)?
TE
Iowa's Luke Lachey (8.69u) wasn't ready for a complete showing but South Carolina's Josh Simon (8.68u) did. I'd be surprised if Gute was a player at the position in 2025.
OT
Minnesota's Aireontae Ersery (9.32u) cemented himself to me as the best tackle in this year's class, without a doubt Packers won't get him, but I like him a lot. Mizzou's Armand Membou is locked in at #2 (9.89u). LSU's Will Campbell (9.86u) was confirmed with his short arms so he's going to drop for some teams. I was very disappointed that Texas' Kelvin Banks didn't test better, but he's perfect for a swing tackle project if you ask me.
IOL
Kansas' Logan Brown, who is listed as a tackle, is probably a solid conversion candidate for guard after his shaky performance at the Senior Bowl (9.85u as a guard). After spending four years in Wisconsin, he's probably the closest Packers fans will get to drafting a Badger; and could be a nice reinforcement on the interior early Day 3. Bulldogs duo Jared Wilson (9.98) and Tate Ratledge (9.98) will be in high demand Day 2.
DE
For those clamoring for a defensive end, based on testing you won't find one in this class until pro days. Arkansas' Landon Jackson (9.88u) tested exactly as I thought, and he'll probably be a solid early Day 2 pick. This really isn't the class for 4-3 DEs, especially past the Top 50 picks. Could Georgia's Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins fit in this scheme as an edge (9.93u, 6'4/276)? It's a rough projection and maybe more of a project than I would want to take on, so he probably moves inside.
DT
I was hoping Florida State's Josh Farmer would hit certain thresholds but he didn't. Nebraska's Ty Robinson(9.84) should demand reps anywhere he goes, but I just don't see the Packers adding talent to this group right now without someone sliding down.
LB
Am I paranoid that Isaiah McDuffie just happened to get signed after the Combine? Or is it because Gutekunst walked away not happy with what he saw? I lost Auburn's Eugene Asante and Oregon's Jeffrey Bassa. So now I'm down to Alabama's Jihad Campbell (9.95u) who may not escape the 1st Round, Oklahoma State's Nick Martin (8.88u), and South Carolina's Demetrius Knight Jr. (8.53u), who I'm trusting the tape on to make the selection. We know the Packers probably need at least two more LBs if Eric Wilson isn't back, and I'm expecting them to come out of the Draft. Smael Mondon Jr. (9.42u) still looks like the wonderful Day 3 project I thought he would be. James Pearce (9.83), who had an amazing showing just carries far too many question marks about his character and work ethic that I can't see the Packers taking a chance on unless it's very late on Day 3.
CB
I'm definitely a player for Darrien Porter (9.99) out of Iowa State in the 2nd Round. Once again I'm stuck because so many corners bypassed the agility testing. While receivers are meant to get vertical, I can't ignore the twitch to get sideways on in-and-out-breaking routes. Kentucky's Maxwell Hairston (9.71) and Tulane's Caleb Ransaw (9.95) tested exceptionally well without doing agility, so the jury's out temporarily.
SAF
I may have a little something in my projection of Billy Bowman (8.46u as a CB) out of Oklahoma to nickel. This is a high-cut safety class, headed by South Carolina's Nick Emmanwori (10.0) and luckily the Packers don't need any. For what it's worth, Wisconsin's Hunter Wohler had a nice outing (9.55u).
Ultimately, I walked away not too excited about any prospects in particular, other than the ones I've grown an affinity to already. As I predicted, there was more for prospects to lose rather than gain in the Combine this year, which might explain the massive absence of testing in some notable areas. Despite this, at the end of the day teams are still going to have to make their picks according to the talent that's available on the board. NFL GMs for the most part have a solid poker face, but once they start hitting the road to certain pro days and making their "Top 30" visits, they'll slowly start to reveal their hands. I've got some more tape to watch, but I believe I'll have my first crop of Gems solidified for next week. It's going to be a tough draft season y'all, so buckle up!
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Joseph has been an avid fan of the Green Bay Packers since 1997, citing an affinity for dairy products during his childhood and his favorite color, green. Born in Jacksonville, FL, Joseph currently is an Active Duty servicemember in the U.S. Armed Forces. Joseph considers himself a lifelong fan of the game of football, competing since his youth well into adulthood. When it comes to the Pack, Joseph is particularly impassioned about the NFL Draft and collegiate scouting process, and will contribute regularly on CHTV.com leading to that year's upcoming Draft. You can follow him on Twitter at @joeyreyallday.
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Comments (20)
Turophile
March 04, 2025 at 05:17 am
Joseph,
I liked some of the same guys you did. I did a mock draft recently (5 rounds, mockdraftdatabase) and got prospects that I rather liked in the first four rounds.
23 DT Kenneth Grant (loved Walter Nolan as well but he is usually gone by this pick, also Omarr Norman-Lott in round 3).
54 CB Azareyeh Thomas (but I also loved Darien Porter)
87 Edge Ashton Gillotte (also liked Jared Ivy here, or better in round 4)
123 C Jared Wilson (liked Marcus M'bow too, but he'd have to play Center and he would need a year to add some mass)
160 WR Kaden Prather (didn't really know him, but seems good value with good hands and size+decent speed)
The problem with these picks is that I suspect in the real draft they will almost all go just a bit earlier than I took them (especially Grant and Wilson). Still, before the draft happens we are allowed to dream.
I do feel that with all the quality RBs this year the Packers could get a late bargain in rounds 5,6,or 7. Maybe they can also get a second DT as a late round bargain. Those positions are stacked this year.
murf7777
March 04, 2025 at 05:47 am
Nice Article, obviously you’ve done your homework. I don’t spend much time watching the combine, so I’m also very surprised and disappointed many aren’t doing the agility testing. I tend to rate twitchy with ability to change direction quickly as a very important attribute of a players ability to succeed in the NFL.
I’m curious why you’re not as high on the DL as the pundits are saying? I’ve read it’s the deepest part of the draft this year.
stockholder
March 04, 2025 at 06:21 am
The combine isn't what it use to be.
College stats, are replacing Tape.
Agents have taken control.
Never have I seen more injuries.
Strength and hype = No shows.
Lazy players get hurt!
jannesbjornson
March 04, 2025 at 11:18 am
Track Meets are for the NCAA. Their FILM is in full view every College weekend. The guy I liked from the Senior Bowl is Dan Jackson, safety from Georgia. Another guy who knows how to play the Game. Bullard is still a wasted pick when considering the options available. Demetrius Knight,Jr. is a beast and what an ILB should be. Put him , or Stutsman in the middle, not another big Safety who cannot bring the lumber. This guy will not go DT with a high pick after paying Kenny. Move UP for Nic Scourton, a true DE.
Will this be his last draft??
jannesbjornson
March 04, 2025 at 01:32 pm
They do not hit heavy and do not wear knee pads in the College Game. They do not promote bad asses...
TKWorldWide
March 04, 2025 at 07:08 am
Would you describe Arkansas’ WR Isaac TeSlaa as an “electric” athlete?
(I’ll see myself out.)
stockholder
March 04, 2025 at 07:31 am
Dillion Gabriel QB Oregon Sonny Jorgensen??
Edwards Rb. U/M.
Jaylin Noel works for me. Thornton stretches the field. Beck?
The thing to remember here is the packers led the NFL in drops
Wicks had 9, Reed had 9, Doubs had 7, Kraft had 5, Watson had 2. Brooks had 1.
Terrance Ferguson Te Oregon- Bo Nix favorite
He’s not Josiah Deguara. And can go in the slot!
Jarod Wilson -C Georgia. Good choice
Grey Zabel OT N. Dakota Versatility First
Donovan Ezeiruaku- Edge Bos. Col.
Max Hairston reminds me of Stokes -
Caleb Ransaw cb Tulane is possible
jannesbjornson
March 04, 2025 at 11:33 am
I saw Sonny Jurgensen @ Lambeau, when I was a kid. Good comparison, but I don't believe Gabiel has his arm. He threw a perfect spiral on his deep ball. Gabriel probably goes third round. Ferguson is a guy like LaPorta. Wilson now in contention for a spot. Hairston, yes, long-strider, no breakdown. Zabel doesn't seem strong enough. TWO WRs minimum from this draft and they do not need another Lazard. Speed off the line and sharp routes.
Edwards has injury history. I like Neal from Kansas. Hard runner and low to the ground.
stockholder
March 04, 2025 at 01:01 pm
I think over 1/2 the top 100 had some sort of injury.
Regardless you did well on my guys listed.
Don't be concerned about Edwards.
Think of what a left handed QB could do in GB.
The LT would No longer be a blind side.
jannesbjornson
March 04, 2025 at 01:29 pm
Morgan belongs at LT and move Wallace, or Tom inside. This is a draft where you can hit in every round, if you are a good scout. This guy pushed for Josh Jackson over Carlton Davis in Ver 1.0. He pushed for Josh Jones for a rover back which doesn't exist in Pro Football and Alex Anzalone, who chewed up the SEC went Rd Three. No SB 4 U.
T7Steve
March 04, 2025 at 07:46 am
Joseph, are you helping with the draft guide? I may have asked you this before, but if you answered I forgot to look back after a long weekend or something.
Your descriptions make these players whom I don't know well enough, come to life for me. Thanks!
dobber
March 04, 2025 at 11:07 am
An interesting read from Ryan Wood this morning on Packer team needs entering FA and the draft (add your own www).
jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/03/04/packers-biggest-position-needs-edge-rusher-wide-receiver-free-agency/80544966007/?tbref=hp
His ranked positional needs:
1. Pass rush
2. WR
3. DT
4. OL
5. CB
Alberta_Packer
March 04, 2025 at 11:51 am
Not quite in agreement with Mr. Wood. My heirarchy of positional needs is:
1. OT. Because the depth at the second most important position is paper thin.
2. CB. Assuming Jaire's exit - a premier CB is important - especially for the long term.
3. LB. At least 2 more LBs capable of coverage is essential in order to prevent another track meet for opposing receivers - like last year (and McDuffie is not one of those).
4. Edge Rushers. GB has the quantity - now to upgarde the quality - internally and FA.
5. WR. The Packers have plenty to work with. Just need to re-imagine the Offense.
Turophile
March 04, 2025 at 12:19 pm
DL, CB, Edge, IOL, LB, WR, is the order for me. You can get good DLs later, but if you can get Grant or Nolan at 23 you almost must take them.
This order assumes veteran additions at WR and CB, before the draft.
Leatherhead
March 04, 2025 at 01:08 pm
So the offense comes up lame, four years in a row, in the elimination game, and the solution is to add players to the league's #6 defense?
Alberta_Packer
March 04, 2025 at 02:09 pm
I have been posting about the need for the Packers to draft an OT and not necessarily the BPA. However, what if the Packers drafted Matthew Golden or Emeka Egbuka? Also, what if Ashton Jeanty dropped to 23? I would welcome Gutekunst going off-script .
Leatherhead
March 04, 2025 at 04:55 pm
I think that would help the offense more than drafting some DT. That's my focus. It seems like most people want to replace players from our #6 defense and aren't much concerned about our repeated offensive failures.
I'm on the Golden/Egbuka bandwagon. I think improving the offense is a priority, we need better blocking (deeper line) and better weaponry. I don't think anybody who'll be on the board at #23 helps us more than a legit #1 WR.
skydancer506
March 05, 2025 at 02:28 am
Keep an eye on Matthew Golden. Brian specifically addressed the WR position in his Combine media availabilities. Specifically, he mentioned that in past drafts they actually had 1st round grades on a few prospects that they were targeting, but those players never fell to them on that part of the draft board. He admitted he is not adverse to drafting a WR in the first round if the right player is available. Considering that Matthew Golden was the only WR that is confirmed to have been interviewed by the Packers at the Combine (out of four Texas Longhorn players the Packers interviewed), and may actually be available at 23, he's definitely one to keep an eye on.
If I were a betting man, I would venture a wager on one of four players to be landed at 23 - Golden, Jahdae Barron, Shemar Stewart or Derrick Harmon. I don't expect Stewart to be there when the Packers are on the board. Barron might be there at 23 but there's no guarantee, while Golden and Harmon should be there. If it's a choice between Golden and Harmon, I'll bet it's Golden. If it's Golden and Barren, I wouldn't be surprised if it is Barren.
Gutey never picks the conventional Mocks. Last year the Mocks were high on Kool Aid McKinstry, Cooper DeJean, and just about every OT selected in the first round...except one. Nobody talked about Jordan Morgan and that's who they selected. Two years ago, TEs were constantly mocked - Michael Mayer and Dalton Kincaid primarily, with a few for Sam LaPorta and Darnell Washington. Only one mock that I recall had Van Ness in the first round, and I don't recall any discussion about Kraft. A few mocks close to the draft did bring up Musgrave's name but nobody took them seriously. If everybody's Mocking a certain player, I don't expect Gutey to pick them. I'm going with Matthew Golden, Texas WR at 23, believing that Jahdae Barron is a decoy.
As for the Boise State RB falling down the draft board, too many other teams are interested in him. He'll be gone. My gut tells me that we'll be seeing him twice a year when he becomes a Bear.
dobber
March 04, 2025 at 12:50 pm
I think there are a lot of different ways to meet these needs especially on defense: coverage and pass rush are interconnected, as an example.
But it's hard for anything good to happen on offense if your OL struggles.
That said: the Bears acquired Jonah Jackson from the Rams for a 6th today. The OL has plagued them for ages. Hopefully this isn't a sign that they're going to start actually trying to fix it.
Leatherhead
March 04, 2025 at 01:06 pm
They couldn't afford to keep him at $17M a year.
Jonah Jackson was the starter at Ohio State right before Josh Myers. He'd had a nice run in Detroit, and then he went to the Rams last year where he broke his scapula and only played in 4 games.
He was Pro Bowler alternate in 2022.
So HE's worth $17M, but half of that is waaaaay too much for Myers?