One Observation For Each Position Group Before the Packers Preseason Games

This is a particularly important preseason for the Packers

This year, preseason games will have a different taste for Green Bay Packers fans. After so many years of just trying to avoid injuries and sitting starters, exhibition games are going to have a real meaning for the team. Not in terms of standings, obviously, but it will be an imperative development opportunity for the young players — especially on offense, where the Packers have the second youngest receiving group in the last 30 years in the NFL, just behind the 2017 Cleveland Browns.

Green Bay will play at the Cincinnati Bengals on August 11, vs. the New England Patriots on August 19, and vs. the Seattle Seahawks on August 26. It's a glimpse of what these young players can do, and how positional battles are progressing. Therefore, let's talk a little bit about each positional group and what to look for.

Quarterbacks: development
It's all about Jordan Love, who has made progress throughout camp. The Packers haven't invested much in their backups, as they purposefully avoided any QB controversy or extra pressure on Love. Consistency is the next step on Love's development, and to achieve that, he needs reps.

"You can't give him enough reps", head coach Matt LaFleur said. "Just making those incremental improvements and becoming more consistent on a daily basis. I'm really excited. He definitely has complete command of our offense. There's no doubt about it. He's put the work in, he knows the ins and outs. Now it's going to apply that in a real situation."

LaFleur used the expression "double-edged thing" when asked about how much preseason time Love will see. The young quarterback needs development, but an injury could derail the entire season. Nonetheless, we might see a lot of Love during the first halves of the first two games.

Running backs: third option
Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon should not play much, if at all. So it's everything about the third spot. Right now, it seems like Tyler Goodson is ahead of the competition for the position, as he has more upside and versatility. During camp, he has aligned in the backfield and also in the slot as a jet option. Rookie seventh-rounder Lew Nichols III and veteran Patrick Taylor, who is primarily a special teamer, will try and create a real competition. Last year, the Packers kept only Jones and Dillon on the initial 53-man roster, and elevated running backs from the practice squad weekly. Goodson, though, has an opportunity to establish his spot being too good to allow an exposure on waivers.

Wide receivers: youth
The Packers have drafted six wide receivers in the last two drafts, so one might think they all have a secured roster spot. But Dontayvion Wicks and Grant DuBose are injured, while Bo Melton and Malik Heath have had good moments. Wicks is still mostly a lock to make the team, but DuBose, as a seventh-rounder, is not as safe. Another question is how many receivers they will keep. Last year, the Packers kept seven, but it was probably an outlier.

Tight end: roles
Luke Musgrave is clearly expected to be TE1, as he's been the starter on every possible opportunity from the get go. His combination of size and speed is impressive. For now, there are two areas where he needs to get better: hands and blocking. Both seem really important for a tight end, don't they? The Packers have three different profiles for tight ends: receivers, blockers, and h-backs. Josiah Deguara, an h-bach, has played a lot with the ones too. Green Bay should use 12 personnel very frequently this year.

Offensive line: depth at tackle, questions on the interior
Zach Tom will be a starter. The question now is where. It seemed like he had established himself over Yosh Nijman as the starting right tackle. Now, there's a chance he stays at center, with Nijman at RT, and Josh Myers out of the lineup. Another topic to keep an eye on is the development of the young tackles. Rasheed Walker, Caleb Jones, Luke Tenuta, and Kadeem Telfort all have a similar profile of tall, big, and raw players. Their development may have a significant impact on the Packers long-term plans at tackle.

Defensive line: transition
TJ Slaton has played over Devonte Wyatt in nickel packages because of his ability to stop the run. But camp and especially preseason will be important to see where rookies Colby Wooden and Karl Brooks are at. Both come in the NFL as pass rush specialists, but they will need to develop their run defense in order to play Joe Barry's light boxes. For Brooks, it's a bigger challenge considering he was an edge defender in college and is making a transition to the interior of the defensive line. However, he is 6-3, 296 lbs, so his size will help.

Edge defender: options
The Packers have a strong group at edge, but Rashan Gary has to be back for it to come to fruition. There is still a chance Gary plays in week 1 against the Chicago Bears, but he's still on the PUP list. For now, Justin Hollins has been the starter alongside Preston Smith, playing over Kingsley Enagbare and first-round rookie Lukas Van Ness. But this is a position where rotation is key, so everyone will have opportunities — including undrafted rookie Brenton Cox, who is talented and might be a practice squad option. After Jonathan Garvin and LaDarius Hamilton had to play so much last year after Gary's injury, Barry and pass rush specialist Jason Rebrovich might be relieved with more depth.

Off-ball linebackers: bounce-back
The Packers purposefully invested more in off-ball linebacker last offseason than they had in a long time. They didn't reap the fruits of that in 2022, as De'Vondre Campbell handled injuries throughout the year, and Quay Walker was still getting used to the NFL level. Now, the expectation is that both can stay healthy and bounce back. Krys Barnes was let go and signed with the Arizona Cardinals, so third-year former seventh-rounder Isaiah McDuffie is the third linebacker on the depth chart. Outside of these three, the Packers have mostly special teamers — veteran Eric Wilson and converted safety Tariq Carpenter.

Cornerback: figuring out
Currently, with Eric Stokes still on the PUP list, things are pretty clear for the corners. Jaire Alexander and Rasul Douglas play on the outside, and Keisean Nixon is the slot. However, it's yet to be determined if things will stay the same when Stokes is back. Theoretically, he is one of their best three cornerbacks, but neither Stokes nor Douglas are slot options. When the opposing wide receiver 1 is a slot, Jaire might move inside. Otherwise, Eric and Rasul will probably fight for playing time. Therefore, Nixon will start in the slot, but it's important to mention that seventh-round rookie Carrington Valentine has had a good camp and might challenge the All-Pro returner at some point during the season.

Safety: performance question mark
This is certainly the worst position group on the paper for the Packers. It's getting clear that Darnell Savage and Rudy Ford will start, and they've controlled the first-team reps. Both played extensively last year, and now Adrian Amos is out of the equation. Free-agent additions Jonathan Owens and Tarvarius Moore are the primary backups, with special teamer Dallin Leavitt behind them. For now, rookie Anthony Johnson Jr. is an afterthought.

Specialists: too much or too little
The Packers are much more comfortable at punter than they are at kicker. They like veteran Pat O'Donnell, even though most of his stats from last year were in the bottom of the league. And youngster Daniel Whelan, signed after a strong XFL season, has impressed in camp. Regarding the kicker, sixth-rounder Anders Carlson is the only one on the roster. He had a bad day on Saturday, but inconsistency is to be expected from such a young player. As Matt LaFleur said, it's about how he rebounds. If he doesn't, the Packers might need to look at other options — and maybe they don't include veteran Mason Crosby, as the team seemed ready to move on from him after a couple of mediocre at best seasons.

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Wendell Ferreira covers the Green Bay Packers for Zone Coverage and Cheesehead TV. He is a Brazilian journalist with over a decade of experience covering the NFL, soccer, NBA, and MMA. Follow him on twitter at @wendellfp  

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 01, 2023 at 11:24 am

Fine rundown, Wendell. Appreciate it.

I agree to use AJ and AJD sparingly during the PS and see what the depth behind them can offer. Keep these essential starters healthy. We have some solid talent behind the first two studs.

I believe the key to the O will be the potency of the run game to make the pass more effective within the Illusion of Complexity platform. It also takes some pressure off Love and the young receiver corps.

With this in mind, I hope the coaches will choose the "best 5" on the OL with the run game in mind more so than in the past when the pass game was the primary focus.

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T7Steve's picture

August 01, 2023 at 12:09 pm

Don't have much to add to what LP wrote above.

I think it's going to be fun watching these camp battles.

No injuries!

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dblbogey's picture

August 01, 2023 at 12:19 pm

My biggest concern is OL. If Myers doesn't improve, we move Tom to center, making Yosh our RT. Yosh seems to be a solid left tackle, but iffy at right tackle. Then, our depth at interior line is awful with Jake Hanson, Rhyan and Royce Newman. The thought that one that those 3 are the first off the bench is frightening.

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T7Steve's picture

August 01, 2023 at 12:41 pm

Where does Walker fit in?

I think Nijman could play well on the right if given a full camp of reps.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 01, 2023 at 07:54 pm

Can't we put Zach Tom at C, RG, and RT?

No? Hmmm, we've got a lot of O linemen, I'd think letting them settle in where they're best might be a good idea.

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mnbadger's picture

August 01, 2023 at 12:45 pm

Dblbogey, are you bragging or complaining with that moniker?
I totally agree with you that offensive line depth, especially inside, is scary.
Just throwing it out there, but think about this group on the right side:
Zack Tom - Center
Yosh Nijman - RG
Jones/Walker - RT
That's a large group of men that I'd think could be both athletic enough for pass plays and powerful enough for the running game. It would also solve our depth question.
I'm not at practice, but they'd look good when they break the huddle.
GPG!

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greengold's picture

August 01, 2023 at 12:56 pm

I'm gonna call it a brag, and I like it!

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Swisch's picture

August 01, 2023 at 05:56 pm

mnbadger, I don't know whether or not a right side of Tom, Nijman, and Jones/Walker is a good idea, but I like you thinking with originality at possible solutions.
Why not be creative at considering options to get our best blockers on the field?
Perhaps the vast majority of the ideas we throw out there as fans aren't workable, but there's always the possibility that an ardent observer from the perspective of the sidelines might see something that could make a big difference for the better.
Sometimes the ordinary person sees something the experts overlook.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 02, 2023 at 01:22 am

To whit, Mercedes Lewis' replacement doesn't need to be a TE but could be an O lineman. Luke Ness Monster could be ideal but we have enough O linemen to do it.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 01, 2023 at 07:57 pm

#77 & 78 too.

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Tundraboy's picture

August 01, 2023 at 08:16 pm

Yes two more big guys like Caleb to watch this camp.

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greengold's picture

August 01, 2023 at 12:47 pm

Thanks for this Wendell!

FYI, Karl Brooks had elite numbers from PFF across the board. His Pass Rush Grade was 92.0, Run Defense Grade 90.3, Pass Rush Win Rate 23.8% and Run-Stop Rate 9.1%. (All categories maxed out on their scale in the blue). Out of his 670 defensive snaps in 2022, 281 were Run D snaps.

PFF further stated after the draft, the "Packers drafted FBS' highest-graded edge defender: Rather than first-round pick Lukas Van Ness, it was Bowling Green product Karl Brooks who earned a 93.0 overall grade in 2022. His 69 quarterback pressures at Bowling Green beat out Alabama's Will Anderson Jr., the No. 3 overall pick."

Draft Buzz said "he added 32 tackles, 3 assists and 36 stops. As a pass rusher he had 60 total Pressures which included 43 Hurries, 5 QB Hits and a dominating 12 sacks in 2022. 20 sacks and an unbelievable 100 plus pressures over the last 2 years."

Brooks had 18 TFL last season. For his career: 167 tackles, 46 TFL, 27.5 sacks, 5 FF, 5 PD and 1 INT. He had 4 career games with 3+ TFL. Team Captain at Bowling Green. He's probably going to play a lot of 3T and 5T with the Packers. His experience is in a 3-4 front.

In run-D he's got a quick 1st step that creates penetration, discarding blocks well. He's also got great hand use to fight off blocks, not limited to shooting gaps. Loaded with burst & high motor. Versatile to line up anywhere. Moving him around on the D front helps him win 1 on 1 battles.

I cannot wait to see him play for the Packers!!! He was my prize pick of Day 3, amongst many.

As for Off-ball Linebackers, the Packers chose Tariq Carpenter to groom him as a hybrid ILB/S. Their plan was very pointed with him. We might like what they have been doing to get Carpenter up to speed this season, as a backup to Quay Walker or to play in heavy sets with Walker and Campbell...

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 02, 2023 at 01:29 am

I really like the idea of using Carpenter as run stop more than coverage behind 6 pass rushers. As a strategy this could be incredibly effective if used sparingly in the right situations.

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stockholder's picture

August 01, 2023 at 12:58 pm

Reading between the Lines, and film posts.
QB- To much air under his deep throws.
Is this Hail Mary practice?

RBs- I don't like the third option.
Trade Dillion for Taylor?
Better Ball safety is a must! Make him work.

Wrs- The taller the better.

Te- Dropping the ball; drops you on te depth chart.

OL - Was Rodgers wrong about Myers?
( It doesn’t Look that way now! )
I’m fine with Tom at center. But -
Starting him at Rt puts him closer to Lt.
So much for Zone Blocking. RIGHT?

DL - Move Clark?.
Sounds like TJ Slaton. Is a Grave Digger.
The 4-3-4 would solve a lot.

LBs- Maybe they need to move someone
From the Outside to the Inside.
Not happy with the depth.

Cb- Start Valentine. Sub Nixon.

S- The biggest hole in the defense.
I’d consider Alexander at Fs.
If Nick collins and Butler could move.
What the Heck- he’s got the smarts for it.

If the lions can keep finding Kickers.
The packers can.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 01, 2023 at 03:53 pm

Nice summary. You hit all the points. I would try to get Taylor in the conversation, but that would be an investment in winning, not competing. I still back Kraft for the job. Will Rhyan end up in the third round scrap heap? If he can't toss Newman out of the way, why draft him in the first place?

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stockholder's picture

August 01, 2023 at 04:17 pm

Rhyan has been Quiet.- Too Quiet
Newman over Hanson yet.
I want to try Hollins at ILB.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 01, 2023 at 04:34 pm

He is a designated pass rush guy, not a full-time edge. They put their money on Campbell and burned a one pick on Walker. If he has the acumen, Walker should be bringing inside heat.

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stockholder's picture

August 01, 2023 at 07:36 pm

I got what your saying.
But after Burks, Summers, even ,Joe Thomas Jr. etc.
Hollins runs 4.5 and it's a great way to
get him him on the field more.
Their to weak yet at ILB.
CM3 went inside.
It's a way to keep players fresh.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 01, 2023 at 08:04 pm

#47 Hollins did play LB today. We only have 13.

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Coldworld's picture

August 01, 2023 at 06:34 pm

Rhyan impressed today in one on ones. Perhaps he’s coming to life. It’s pretty hard to show as a linemen in shorts.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 01, 2023 at 07:59 pm

Yes, I read the practice summary. I would expect him to put pressure on Runyan. He reminded me of Tauscher when he covered the LT for UCLA. Needs to get his legs and let it rip.

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splitpea1's picture

August 01, 2023 at 01:01 pm

As these young pass-catching options develop, we should be in store for a more dynamic offense as far as YAC goes, particularly from the slot. Can you see Reed and Watson whipping around defenders and leaving them in the dust? I appreciate the contribution of Lazard and Cobb over the years, but I'm very happy to see some youth and elusiveness out of this spot. We'll see how quickly Reed can adapt after playing mostly on the outside during his last two years in college.

Since we have a deficit in blocking now that Lazard and Lewis are gone, and given the fact that Musgrave and Kraft have a lot of learning ahead, I would expect to see more of Deguara. I don't know if that will translate into a few more touches (I hope it would), but I think we're going to need him in the early going. I'm pretty sure Love feels a lot more comfortable with Deguara than Rodgers ever did, so that's something working in his favor.

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greengold's picture

August 01, 2023 at 02:23 pm

Don't bother me. I'm busy watching WR Andre Miller highlights from the University of Maine!

LOLOLOLOL!!!

You said "Lazard?" I was like Lurch... "Uhhhhh. You R-r-rlangggg?"

DAYUMMMMM!!!! He's got a slightly stockier cut to him than Lazard. Cut. You should see this kid play. Very similar body type to Allen Lazard. Fractured forearm with the Giants after signing him as a UDFA last year. This kid can play and has motor, leaping ability, all the goods physically to be a WR in the mix in GB.

Andre Miller is 6-3 225 4.54, 37" vertical, 1004 broad, 1.49 10 yd split!!! He's also got a 9.61 RAS.
As a senior he caught 39 for 684 and 3 TD, a 17.5 ypc average.

The dude can move for his size. He's TOUGH too. Reminds me of Chig Okonkwo with TEN. That big WR/small TE tweener build. TOUGH. Did I say TOUGH?

Set the school record for the longest TD in Black Bear history! 90 yds. (You know I just had to say that, splitpea!). Apparently Gutekunst signed him at some point today, and Andy Herman has a shot of him working out in practice, wearing #16.

To make room, Gutekunst cut both McDonald and Filiaga. Drat. I liked Filiaga. Oh well. Welcome to Green Bay, Andre Miller.

Andre Miller ranked #32 on NFL Draft Bible Founder Ric Serritella's WR Big Board, just ahead of #34 Dareke Young!!!

Coldworld, did you mention Miller as a possibility last year? I know you were all over Young.

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Coldworld's picture

August 01, 2023 at 06:51 pm

No. Young is a rather different prospect. Miller is a big big WR with surprisingly sudden athleticism. Young was a small school guy with freakishly good size, speed, power and wiggle combination and ability to carry the ball as well as catch. I was looking at him for slot/option potential with size: more a giant Reed or option outlet (he ran as often as thrown to) prospect than a more athletic Lazard, whom I considered a fixture last year.

We are certainly committed to the idea of big powerful WRs. DuBose, Wicks, Heath, Miller …. None have great long speed but all are big strong and thrive in contested situations as well as projecting at X as well as big slot. I would have thought with Musgrave we’d be looking to him for a good deal of that, but it looks like they’d like a big WR as well since they keep them coming in. It sounds like DuBose and Wicks might be close to fitness too. Perhaps they see one as cover for Musgrave’s less TE-like role aspects as well as Watson at X?

Your guy Melton keeps making plays too. Long TD from Etling today. Andy Herman mentioned him as someone who had bettered his stock since camp began. This could be the biggest scrap at WR for a while.

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greengold's picture

August 01, 2023 at 07:40 pm

Appreciate you, my friend. This is all great and hits the mark. Hadn’t heard or read anything on what happened today, other than Tom starting at C and the new C signing.

Great news to me on Bo Melton. If anyone reminds me of Greg Jennings in his prime on this roster, it’s Melton. I think we’ll get a heavy dose of both he & Reed in a wide variety of slot/Jet concepts.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 02, 2023 at 01:40 am

Melton did look good and caught one from JL10 today that I saw. Malik Heath caught 4. Reed took a handoff for 15 yards, and also caught a lot of punts again today.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 01, 2023 at 08:12 pm

There was indeed a #16 Miller on the field today. I saw him during drills, not during 11 on 11s.

Filiaga was one of the few heavier than Bakh and lighter than Mt Caleb. I trust he was not worth keeping, but that hurts.

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Coldworld's picture

August 01, 2023 at 11:16 pm

Filliaga was listed at 6’5” and 321. There are still a few OL listed at that weight or higher. Rhyan, Telfort, and Walker are all listed in the 220s, within ten of Jones’ reported weight of 330 by the time we saw him last camp (not the 370 he is listed as). Nijman and Tenuta are supposedly only 315 ish. If Tom added 15 pounds as stated he’d be close to 320 too.

Bakh is listed at 310, however what any actually weigh today is anyone’s guess unless the team or player make it known as a coach did with Jones last year and Tom this. It’s always the weight at original testing listed. Bakh certainly looks a lot bigger than he was then, but those are all very big guys with the shortest being listed at 6’4” ( Tom). Admittedly only Rhyan and perhaps Tom project inside as far as I know.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 02, 2023 at 01:47 am

At 6'4" Bakh actually looked small around some of these guys! Would be interesting if Mt Caleb is #330-ish. Yes going by weight listed, #63 75 & 77 are the only ones over 320 other than 72. If Tom is up to 319 that could explain a lot!

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ko40489's picture

August 01, 2023 at 02:41 pm

Even with 8 First Round picks and a couple of key free agent signings, the D doesn't seem all that impressive. The D line and safety are big question marks. Hopefully Kenny Clark and Darnell Savage can bounce back after underperforming last year. I think Eric Stokes still needs to prove himself. He's shown some nice flashes, but he also gets beat deep and can get "grabby" to try to avoid that. But the biggest issue is that Joe Barry needs to step up. There were too many times last year when the players weren't all on the same page and his schemes were too predictable. His track record hasn't been good and if the D doesn't hit the ground running, MLF should cut him loose--and do it fast.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 01, 2023 at 03:52 pm

The Barry factor does not instill confidence in the Players, or the Fans. Better see some 4-2/4-3 fronts to control gaps, or see a repeat of the swiss cheese run stops. I liked Vallentine at Kentucky. Played well vs. Bama and the Bulldogs. I hope he earns a spot in the rotation. We do not hear anything about Ford at NT/DT. Will he be another whiff on a big guy?

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Coldworld's picture

August 01, 2023 at 11:38 pm

I have wondered about Ford, but in all honesty I check myself because seeing what immovable objects can do takes some one really trying to move them and you have to be watching—it’s typically not a highlight play. I haven’t really heard who is looking good in those roles yet but this was the first day in full pads, so hardly surprising. All I have heard really is that Slaton can disrupt.

Ford was a 7th rounder, so whiff might be a little harsh. I’ve no idea how developmental he was expected to be. He looked like a big body in need of polish from the little I saw of him last summer. The odd thing was not that he didn’t get playing time but that they kept him on the roster inactive. That usually suggests that they think he had something that others might want and that it’s worth investing in. I have no clue what that might be based on anything I’ve seen or read.

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greengold's picture

August 01, 2023 at 03:08 pm

TWO Centers added to the team this week!!! Doesn't look good for Josh Myers. Can't be looking good for Sean Rhyan either, in terms of his tryout at Center.

Monday they signed C James Empey. Today they sign C Cole Schneider. His 2nd go with the Packers after reaching an injury settlement last offseason. Schneider played with QB Alex McGough in the USFL.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 01, 2023 at 08:18 pm

#62 Emrey or Empey was on the field today. He did take some downs at C. I like giving Myers competition. #17 Carlson could use that ...

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Leatherhead's picture

August 01, 2023 at 03:31 pm

Myers is our center; we're finding the backup.

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greengold's picture

August 01, 2023 at 04:06 pm

LH, I'm kind of doubting that. Packers can save $812,000 this year, and another $1.4M next year. They are still recovering from cap issues. Frankly, I've felt Myers could be a trade candidate for most of this offseason.

PFF: Overall Grade 60.4? Run Blocking Grade 53.5? Myers allowed 3 sacks, 2 QB hits and 13 Pressures in 2022, and committed 3 penalties... Myers Overall Grade in 2021 prior to injury was 58.3. Yuck.

Remember Corey Linsley? 2022: Overall Grade 74.2, Pass Blocking 90.2, Run Blocking 65.6.
Jason Kelce: Overall Grade 88.3, Pass Blocking 82.0, Run Blocking 89.1
Creed Humphrey: Overall Grade 90.0, Pass Blocking 79.7, Run Blocking 91.1

I want holes for our RBs to run through. Love handing off from under C. Hit it! Seems like with Myers, that hole doesn't exist. Nothing to hit. The Packers have to improve their run blocking up front. If Myers can't cut it, get someone who can.

Quick FYI on:
OC/OG Cole Schneider - UCF
6-3 309, 5.24, 10 yd split 1.7!!!!

Strong, small-area OL who blocks with a nasty attitude. Great football smarts & awareness. Works well with line mates. Wide base, +knee bend, + explosion. STRONG. Turns defenders off line. + pulling skills/blocking 2nd level. In 2021 Schneider allowed 0 sacks, and 3 pressures, ranking #3 Overall amongst OGs in PFF's pass blocking metric. Helped UCF to an average of 196.8 yds rushing per game in 2021.

PS. I doubt Empey is the answer either... I don't know the answer, but, Zach Tom, as a Center, had an 83.8 Overall Grade coming into the draft. 93% pass blocking. 78% run blocking, winning First-Team All-ACC honors from both the league and the AP... Tom ran a 4.94 40 at the Combine. Outstanding punch with elite quickness and high football IQ. Excels as a zone blocking Center. Projected as an early starter at C.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 01, 2023 at 06:13 pm

Myers played the most snaps on the #3 OL. He was returning from a huge injury and had different people lined up next to him every week and still had the highest AV of any Center in the division. He’s not as good as the best in the league, but few are. He’s a good player for us, and he’ll be our starter.

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greengold's picture

August 01, 2023 at 06:37 pm

Ok.

“We got a lot of competition on the right side: right guard, right tackle and center,” Stenavich said. “So we’re gonna go out there and kind of put these guys at different spots.” 

“Zach’s gonna compete a lot at right guard and right tackle, and possibly some at center,” Stenavich said. “Getting those best five out there that gel the best, are the most physical, that’s what I’m looking for.”

Myers getting completely blown off the line by Slaton is the direct opposite of “the most physical.”

Tom starting at Center the very next day??? Gutekunst signing 2 OCs the same week? One the day after????

Ok.

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Coldworld's picture

August 01, 2023 at 07:01 pm

Myers got schooled today by Wyatt too. Tom was at C a lot today and in the competitive red zone portion and others . Myers has forced competition it seems.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 01, 2023 at 08:22 pm

Corey Linsley is missed.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 01, 2023 at 10:05 pm

I will forever wonder WTF Gutey was thinking with Creed Humphrey on the board when he took Meyers.

Just a SMH - WTF moment...

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 02, 2023 at 01:53 am

GG, $2.2MM isn't much of a savings on a good C. The question is: is he a good C? I'm thinking he might be the biggest weakness across the O line. Not a good spot for that.

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ko40489's picture

August 01, 2023 at 06:09 pm

We wouldn't be having the discussion about Myers at all if Gute had drafted the consensus best center on the board, Creed Humphrey, instead of thinking he knew better (again). Humphrey falls to KC where he quickly becomes an All Pro. No GM is going to hit with every pick, but Gute seems to have too many bad ones. It sure looks like Sean Ryan is going to join the long list of 3rd round busts.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 02, 2023 at 01:50 am

"We're not idiots."

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Swisch's picture

August 01, 2023 at 04:44 pm

Maybe if the starters on offense play together in each of the three games of the preseason (about a quarter to a half), when defenses are mostly vanilla flavored, then they'll be much less likely to get injured with the coming of the regular season when defenses ramp up to chocolate-explosion-super-crunch.
Sometimes playing it too safe is actually riskier than taking advantage of reasonable opportunities.
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Perhaps another way to avoid injuries is to play the subs more often during the regular season, which is also a way of keeping guys fresher into January and beyond.
In the past, it seems Kenny Clark has been overused to the point of exhaustion in a way that makes him more prone to injury, eventually limits his effectiveness, and ultimately hurts the entire team.
So, possibly, the Packers would do well to start rotating guys in on the offensive line, with an example being that during a game Bakh, Yosh, and Tom would all get snaps at tackle.
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It may also be good to have three running backs involved in each game.
With Aaron Jones over his career, it's been frustrating at times when he has been overlooked on offense; however, it seems that him not getting overloaded with carries has generally been good for prolonging his career at a continuing high level of performance.
It's not so much how often we use a guy like Jones -- or any other running back -- but in what situations.
(I realize there's a need for continuity for a player to get in rhythm during a game, but that has to be balanced with getting enough rest. Also, a player should get more reps in a game in which he's hot and less in another game in which he isn't at his best, or the conditions aren't as favorable.)
The problems for the Packers in recent times seem to have been forgetting about the running backs for long stretches of time in the second half, and ignoring them near the goal line for touchdowns.
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As has already happened at edge rusher, it may be time to set new trends in substituting at other positions.
It's not a matter of being trendy, but of the Packers being at the head of the curve as far as innovation in the NFL.
As another example of this, while teams are going away from emphasizing the running backs, I'm glad the Packers are well-stocked with talent and experience at that position -- especially with running backs who can catch.
While I agree it's mostly a passing league, my sense it that teams make take it too far (as did the Packers in 2011, perhaps, with an historically high-flying offense that crashed in the first round of the playoffs -- seemingly at least in part due to lacking in the ground game).
There has to be a good balance between the run and pass, not necessarily an exact balance, but a balance in which the Packers can go back-and-forth between pass and run at will.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 02, 2023 at 02:26 am

Swisch, there are several "innovations" I can see as maybe being good ideas:

Mercedes Lewis doesn't need to be replaced with a TE. He was a sixth lineman, we have O linemen.

I don't think we can keep all 3 #69 33 and 28 next year due to cap constraints so the depth behind them needs to become a known factor. I make no predictions but it might prove there's a bigger dropoff behind the RBs. Goodson did look surprisingly good but so did Nichols.

#33 can be run into the ground to trade away next year or kept as fresh as possible while still feeling good so he's in prime condition late season, and also prolong his career if we want to keep him. There have been situations where he's been effective and nobody else was. I can see starting the regular season with 4 RBs on the roster, and swapping that later in the season for more WRs as the passing game opens up and gels. Same thing might be done with TE.

A big bruising RB is the ticket in some situations, why not have a TE do it? Our lightest was released. Tucker Kraft is our heaviest and #49 Allen at 6'8" 253# would take wear and tear off the two rookies.

With 4 WRs that run a 4.3x, the occasional play with them all on the field at the same time? What team can cover that?

This D can rush 6, keep Carpenter as run stop, and still have 4 in coverage.

The common thread here is this is all situational football, and in-game adjustments seem to be the biggest weakness of our coaches.

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CanPackFan's picture

August 05, 2023 at 11:09 am

My biggest concern is at K. My dad used to say that QB and K are responsible for most of the points scored that usually wins games. Frankly, I think Anders would be ok on the practice squad right now. Bring Crosby back and live with his limited range for now.

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