Packers Fans Should Take a Moment to Appreciate Aaron Rodgers

The 2022 NFL season starts this weekend and the Green Bay Packers are set to open the year with a key divisional matchup on the road against the Minnesota Vikings. Once again, most league experts view the Packers are one of just a handful of teams with a realistic chance to win the Super Bowl.

But as the season gets started, Cheeseheads everywhere should take a moment and pause to appreciate the contributions of one Aaron Charles Rodgers and what he’s meant to this football team. Rodgers is entering his 18th season with the Packers and while it hasn’t always been a smooth ride, it’s been a memorable and exciting one.

Off the field, Rodgers can be, well to quote Packers president Mark Murphy, “a complicated fella” but let’s just ignore all the off the field stuff. On the field, Rodgers has given the Packers excellence on a regular basis over nearly two decades. That includes 139 regular season wins and a winning percentage of .677, 10 trips to the Pro Bowl, four league MVPs, more than 55,000 passing yards, 449 touchdown passes and just 93 career interceptions. It all adds up to a career passing rating of 104.5.

He has also won one Super Bowl and was named the MVP of that game. For the record, AR-12 finished Super Bowl XLV by completing 24-of-39 passes for 304 yards and three touchdowns without tossing an interception. His quarterback rating was 111.5 and it wasn’t even his best performance of the playoffs that year.

Then there are the indelible memories along the way. The comeback playoff victory against Dallas, the Hail Mary that beat the Lions on the game’s final play and the time Rodgers threw six touchdown passes in the first half against the Bears en route to a 55-14 victory that wasn’t as close as even that lopsided final score indicated. Those games jump out at me but there are so many more.

Rodgers has led the Packers to the playoffs 11 different times in his 14 years as a starter which is a remarkably consistent level of excellence. When you consider one of the years he didn’t lead the team to the playoffs was his first year as a starter and another was cut drastically short by injuries, well, you get the picture.

The point is that any time Rodgers has been the Packers quarterback, the team has had a darn good chance of winning the game and probably even expected to win. We have been able to watch quarterback play at an elite, Hall of Fame level for a long time.

The old adage in life is that you don’t fully appreciate somebody until they’re gone. But before the 2022 season starts, Packers fans should just take a moment and appreciate what Rodgers has done. Why? Because Rodgers himself has indicated that the end of his career is not too far off.

The signs are all there. Let’s start with the most basic: Rodgers is 38 years old and will turn 39 in December. Few professional football players even play to that age. Just a couple of years ago, Rodgers said he knew he was on “the back nine” of his career. Earlier this year, the former Cal star added more speculation when he said he didn’t want to play till he was 45 like Tom Brady is doing. The signs are all there.

To add to it, Rodgers just signed a three-year contract extension this past offseason which made him the highest-paid player in the league. Yet the deal has been described as a one-year contract with two additional option years. Essentially, Rodgers will have a decision to make at the end of each NFL season as to whether he wants to come back for another year.

Since Rodgers took over as the Packers starting quarterback in 2008, excellence at quarterback has been the expected. It’s been the norm in Green Bay except for those partial seasons when Rodgers was injured and unable to play. The last time the Packers entered a season without a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback under center was 1991 when Mike Tomczak led the team in passing yards. The rare has become the norm.

While there are those who argue Rodgers should have won more than one Super Bowl during his career (and he still might), the time to watch and enjoy Rodgers is now. Don’t wait until he’s gone to appreciate the excellence we see on the field game in and game out. The Rodgers Era won’t last forever. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:32 am

There is no question that Aaron Rodgers has given Packer fans many, many, many more good days than bad as the Packers QB over his career.

He has not only been the best QB the Packers have ever had he is probably the best player they have ever had and he is one of the best QBs in the history of the league.

He has played through injuries and has excelled at times with less than stellar weapons and questionable OL play.

His mobility and ability to throw accurately on the run has redefined how the QB position is played. His play represents the most significant evolution of the QB position since Johnny Unitas invented the modern QB position back in his era.

Playoff disappointments have been attributed to Rodgers and that is fair to some degree but he does not play defense or STs and both of those phases of the team share at least an equal culpability for the playoff failures, not to mention numerous coaching blunders along the way.

We can only imagine what the post-Favre era would have been like without Rodgers. It would not have been pretty.

We know that the Rodgers window will close in the relatively short term future. I wonder how long it will take before we are wishing that it did not end at all. Enjoy and appreciate what we are still watching and what we have seen. It may not come the Packers way again for a long, long time.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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croatpackfan's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:43 am

For me, despite I was not able to watch the best Packers QB (by my opinion), the best Packers QB was and is late Bart Starr.

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wildbill's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:07 pm

Got to watch him and he would have tore these defenses up in todays NFL

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:10 pm

Yes, he would. But he would need to have played behind a great OL like he did during the Lombardi years. Bart does not have the mobility to extend plays or the ability to throw on the run like Rodgers or many of today's QBs.
Bart never had the arm strength to make all the throws. That is not a knock on Bart it's just the truth.

Give him time, yes he would chew them up but don't expect him to move around and out of the packet or throw well on the run. Bart was smart and he rarely hurt the team but Rodgers shares those traits with him. What separates Rodgers is his ability to extend the play and throw with deadly accuracy on the run. Thanks, Since '61

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Leatherhead's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:48 pm

If throwing were a more important quality in a QB than leadership, I'd be in agreement. But I've seen lots of great throwers, and not nearly as many great leaders.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 03:02 pm

That is often a matter of how leadership is defined. Starr and Rodgers have different styles of leadership. I would prefer Starr's approach but that doesn't mean that it is better than Rodgers or Favre's it just means that they are different.

They are different people in different times therefore I expect them to be different. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 11, 2022 at 11:14 am

Bart mentored Rodgers from Day One, these time-warp comparisons are unrealistic.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:00 pm

Croat, I did watch Bart Starr play and he was a great QB but he didn't have the talent that Aaron Rodgers brings to the field. He didn't have the arm strength and he didn't have the mobility that Rodgers has or the ability to throw on the run. The is not a knock on Starr it's just the truth.

Also and more importantly Bart played with 11 other HOF players on his team. Rodgers played with one so far, specifically Charles Woodson. If we put Aaron Rodgers on the field with 11 NFL HOFers how well would you think he would do. If we put Rodgers, Favre, Brady, Montana, Unitas and numerous other HOF QBs on the Lombardi Packers they might have never lost a game. Lombardi said that himself about Sonny Jurgenson when he went to coach the Redskins in 1969.

You take your bias against Rodgers as the reason to knock his play on the field. That is simply not fair. This will be my 61st season as a Green Bay Packers fan. So, I've seen them all and I love my Lombardi Packers as much as any fan. They are the reason I became a Packers fan and remained a Packers fan through all of the dark years during the 70s and 80s. As a long distance fan I could have switched allegiance at any time to the numerous bandwagons which evolved for the Cowboys, Steelers, Raiders, 49ers, and a few other front runners over this years. But I didn't. I stayed with the Packers because loyalty counts for me.

I'm not knocking Starr when I post that Rodgers is the more talented player. That's just reality. How can you say that a player you never watched play is better than any other player. What is your point of comparison? The five championships is 7 seasons. Yes, that's great achievement. But it is not Starr's achievement alone. it is and was the team's achievement and they get there with almost any of the great NFL HOF QBs because the team was that good and yet you diminish that team by posting the Starr was the reason winning those championships. The Lombardi defense held their playoff opponents to 9.7 points per game. Are you really going to make the point that Aaron Rodgers would not have a better playoff record if he played with a defense that held opponents to 9.7 points per game? If yes, that's absolutely ridiculous. Are you aware of the Packers record in games where Starr was injured and did not play? Look it up. You will find that it is a lot better than the Packers record without Rodgers. Why? Because the Lombardi Packers were a better team!!! OH and yes they had those 11 other HOFers on the team besides Starr.

Your opinion about Starr is fine. You are entitled to your own opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinions but we are not entitled to our own facts. And BTW, Bart Starr is one of my all time favorite Packers, more so than Rodgers. However, I can still be fair and honest with myself, Rodgers is a better player and I have watched them both play for the Packers. Thanks, Since '61

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Gman1976's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:24 pm

Thanks '61 for giving us an historical perspective. I did not realize that Rodgers has only played with one HOF player (and that was a relatively short time) and that the defense of Starr's teams was so awesome. Starr was my boyhood hero and a great Packer ambassador, and Favre was an incredible QB that brought the Pack back from years of futility, but I must agree that Rodgers has been our best.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:07 pm

Players become HOFers, at the earliet, 5 years after they stop playing.

For those who feel that the comparison with Starr is not fair because the current players with Rodgers are not yet due to become HOFers, let me point out that possible Packers future HOF are Davante Adams, Jaire, Bakt, Elgton Jenkins - but it all depends upon the games that they are yet to play, even Adams will not be enter the HOF if he stops playing now.

Starr played with multiple HOFers at the same time, for a number of years. So yes, Starr had all the advantage.

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jurp's picture

September 11, 2022 at 10:01 am

Rodgers is, by far, IMO, the most talented quarterback Green Bay has ever had. That being said, to be "the best" at something means that you deliver when it counts. In the NFL, that means Championships. Starr (5 Championships) and Arnie Herber (4 Championships - and in Canton, BTW) are "better" QBs for the Packers than Rodgers or Favre. To be fair, however, the first two of Herber's championships should be thrown out from this comparison because of the difference in eras - and because Don Hutson wasn't a Packer yet. Even so, that gives Herber 2 Championships to AR's and BF's one each.

I saw Starr play, but am way too young to have seen Herber but, along with Hutson, he helped create the modern passing attack.

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WMA's picture

September 10, 2022 at 04:47 pm

For me best Packer of all time is Don Hutson

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nstewart1's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:38 am

Rogers can be annoying, and has not risen to the occasion lately on the largest stage, but we'll miss him when he's gone.

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

September 17, 2022 at 09:39 am

You mean the "rolling eyes diva"
I'm getting real tired of his disgustful eye rolling when a teammate makes an error but when he does, he laughs like it was a nothing....
Memo to A.R.: Stop playing King Aaron and maybe your teammates will rally for you.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:47 am

A comment on having had excellence at QB since 2008.....I think it started earlier than that. We had a guy before Rodgers who was pretty good and never missed games. Of course, he was the most turnover-prone QB in history, which makes it even more ironic that he was replaced by the least turnover prone QB in history.

Still, kind of similar playoff histories. Some very bitter defeats and only one Super Bowl early in their career.

I very much appreciate what Rodgers does for us, but I can't really disagree with the people who question his ability to lead a team to victory in the playoffs. I remember his great 2016 stretch run, and his fantastic plays against the Cowboys, but since that day, we've only won two playoff games in 5 years, despite having a very good team during much of that time.

I am really hoping for the best this year, but the combination of Rodgers age and the percent of the salary cap he commands is a real strong indicator that we're very unlikely to win the Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers.

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PhantomII's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:40 pm

You learn something from everyone even if it's what not to do: From #4, he learned not to throw game ending Interceptions. He did not learn how to fire his team up on the side line in-game though. Love will hopefully learn from AR: Not to throw to 1-WR who is double-3x covered when other WR's are uncovered and wide open. I often wonder how much better AR would be with a higher Coach IQ and belief in that person enough for himself to change things he has not...... but has needed to for a long time. Move the chains, enough times in a row and you score...do it enough times in a game and you WIN....It even works in the Playoffs. Fundamentally, NOT TOO HARD TO GRASP. Just move the chains....For the LOVE OF GOD. Just try it one season....This season.

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Crankbait's picture

September 11, 2022 at 06:33 am

Mega Ditto.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:52 am

I've never liked the implication implied by many here at times, that some aren't 'true fans' if they disagreed with a narrative, however, this article as well written and intentioned, needed not be written IMO, as I will go against what I stated in the beginning here, there isn't any Packer fan that doesn't 'appreciate' Rodgers and all he has brought to GB, and if there is, that would be the unmasking of a fan who actually isn't a true fan. Appreciation is the last thing needing to be asked for Rodgers, and a 'moment' certainly isn't long enough.

With that said, no fan should expect another to not be displeased with Rodgers for some of his play, at times, which more often than not, are at the most inopportune times, and circumstance.

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cdoemel's picture

September 10, 2022 at 08:26 pm

Dude! That is a humongous sentence! And I can’t believe you said “the implication implied by“. That takes balls bro!

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croatpackfan's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:05 pm

I agree that we should enjoy Packers foitball on offense, lead by AR, who is tremendeous football talent. But we should not neglect everything else what happens outside of the games, because some of those sh*ts is directly and indirectly conected to the team he suppose to be leader.

Yes, he does not play on D and on ST, but I can not place blame on any other person or part of the team, but on him. 2014 Seattle he had 1 TD. All other Packers points came from FGs. Also, 2020 season ended because he scored only one TD, while D was able to produce 4 turn overs in the second half of the game (many here place blame on Kevin King and MLF - for decision to kick FG instead to let AR another opportunity to throw ball in triple coverage to DA), and last season he was also able to score just one TD through the whole game. And D kept Packers in the contest for the whole time (I believe if someone would give you offer for1 mill $ to bet that Packers will win the game if any opponent would score only 13 points in the game in January at LF, you'll take it, despite you might lose that amount if the outcome would be different).

I do not accept any excuses for my own mistake, I try to learn from them, so I would expect of highly intelligent and talented person the same. So, stop with the excuses.

Bart Starr was show himself and execute whenever was needed. Because of that he is, for me, the greatest Packers QB ever.

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barutanseijin's picture

September 10, 2022 at 10:14 pm

Exactly. Starr was able to do what was necessary, e.g., score a TD at the goal line to win the Ice Bowl. Rodgers would have tried to throw it and got sacked or thrown to a guy who was blanketed. He is weak of mind. The vaunted interception rate is meaningless because he just loses in another manner.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:16 pm

And yet no one mentions the '68. '69 or '70 Packers teams. Starr was still the Packers starting QB in those seasons, so what happened? Lack of leadership? Lack of character? Thanks, Since '61

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Swisch's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:05 pm

Sad to say, Aaron Rodges doesn't appreciate us as fans.
He was willing to walk away from the Packers the past two offseasons unless he got his arrogant way of greed and grabbing and grandiosity.
I don't understand the mentality that says if you're really good at something, you can treat people shabbily.
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The major lesson of the legendary Packers of the Lombardi Era of the 1960s is that people with character win championships, not just players with gaudy stats.
Bart Starr was so understated as a quarterback that he remains underappreciated even by Packers fans.
Silly Bart, caring so much about getting the most out of his teammates and winning championships.
Why would Aaron want to follow in such a seemingly unglamorous role?
Well, if he appreciated the winningest quarterback in the history of the NFL, and one of the greatest gentlemen, enduringly and endearingly beloved, and a football luminary for the ages . . .
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Rodgers may rock in fantasy football, but in the real game on and off the field he falls woefully short.
Yet, as unlikely as it seems that he'll become more agreeable and coachable, I'm still rooting for Rodgers to get it.
With a change in attitude, Rodgers could leave the Packers as a winner, even without a title.
As he is, Rodgers is loser no matter how much the Packers may win.
Problem is, egotists usually end up failing even on their own terms of merely practical results. The bring down themselves, and those around them, especially those who are cling to the illusion of the superficial superstar.

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Qoojo's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:35 pm

Players were indentured servants in the 60s and earlier, so doesn't really apply. Starr was a different sort of player than most, then and now. He was special.

You sure are judgmental. Have you ever had one conversation with Rodgers? He certainly has failings like everyone else, but your criticism is bit fanatical, bitter, and outright stupid.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:37 pm

Swisch’s comments actually diminish the Lombardi Packers and the other players who played for the Packers during the Lombardi years.

Starr played with 11 other HOF players. How do you think Rodgers would do with 11 other HOF players on his team? How many playoff games would Rodgers win if his defense allowed an average of 9.7 points per playoff game? Yes Starr was a great QB and yes he was a true gentleman but points win football games whether you are a true gentleman or not.
The other Lombardi Packers also had character maybe that is why won. Maybe there were other great leaders in the team like Hornung, Nitschke, Willie Davis, Forrest Gregg and Herb Adderly.

But for Swisch it’s all about Starr. That’s fine, Bart is one of my all time favorite Packers as well, more so than Rodgers. That doesn’t make Bart a better player than Rodgers. Bart never had the arm strength that Rodgers has and he never had the ability to extend plays and throw with deadly accuracy on the run. That’s not a knock on Starr it’s just an observation of the truth. Opinions are fine but for me I need to be honest with myself and fair about players. So when I see a better player I prefer to recognize that they are better than another player even one of my favorites like Starr.

Hornung was my first favorite Packer and is still one of my top favorites along with Starr and Nitschke. Yet when Gale Sayers came along it was obvious, at least to me, that he was a better HB and player than Hornung. Paul is still my favorite but I have no problem admitting that Sayers was better. Even though like most Packer fans I hate the Bears.

The point is that we watch sports to see what we have never seen before and what we may never see again. Just like we’ll never see another Sayers or Secretariat in horse racing, or Mickey Mantle is baseball, I doubt we’ll ever see another Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. At least I doubt if I’ll last long enough for that. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Swisch's picture

September 10, 2022 at 02:03 pm

Why do quarterbacks get the lion's share of the glory, and a much higher share of the goodies?
A quarterback like Starr raised the standard of character for the whole team, offense and defense and special teams.
A quarterback like Starr helped to steady the mercurial genius of his head coach, instead of aggravating him to distraction. Although it was Lombardi who first made Starr, it was Starr who helped Lombardi reach the loftiest of heights.
A quarterback like Starr helped others to shine while going less noticed than could have been. With Rodgers, his MVP trophies will sit on his mantle while he drinks scotch with a superior smirk, but Lombardi trophies of team titles are for all of the players and fans to enjoy.
A quarterback like Starr finds ways to win the biggest of games, even if a player signed off the street during the season like Chuck Mercein gains half the yards in the winning drive of the Ice Bowl. Lately, we've been content with a quarterback who has had opportunities to win late in playoff games, but falls short in sorry ways.
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All that matters, though is the flash, not the substance, is that a reasonable conclusion?
After all, if all that matters is winning, or at least getting the most out of a team, then Starr is the best ever at quarterback in the NFL.
Plus -- although I don't think this was meant by Since'61 -- another possible conclusion is that recent Packers in the Rodgers Era are lacking in character, and have been holding back the greatness of Rodgers.
Again, I don't think that is what was meant, but we have to look at the likely outcomes of our words.
We also have to look at the likely outcomes of enabling an arrogant quarterback to take control of the whole Packers organization, with executives groveling before him, and fawning fans making excuses for his failures on and off the field.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 04:07 pm

I'm not saying that any of today's players are lacking character.

What I am saying is that Rodgers and Starr are different people playing in different eras. I'm also saying that if we put Rodgers, Favre, Unitas, Brady, Montana or other HOF QBs on the Lombardi Packers they would have similar and possibly even greater success than Starr.

With the possible exception of the 70s Steeler teams no other QB has played with as many HOFers as Starr did on the Lombardi Packers. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that QBs like Rodgers, Brady, Montana, Favre etc. would have been successful with the Lombardi Packers.

For anyone who watched the Lombardi Packers they won because of their OL, which remains one of the all-time best and because of their defense. The Packers lost Hornung and Taylor and yet their ground game remained effective behind their OL with Elijah Pitts, Jim Grabowski, Donny Anderson, Travis Williams, Chuck Mercein and Ben Wilson. When Starr was injured and missed games the OL blocked for backup Zeke Bratkowski and the team still won their games.

Starr executed brilliantly and he is one of the best 3rd down QBs of all time, take nothing away from him. He deserves everything he has ever won in the league. But the Lombardi Packers won as a team. Was Starr a key factor, of course, but every QB is in their team's results.

If winning the most championships was the measure for defining the best players then the recently deceased Bill Russell of the NBA Boston Celtics, who won 11 NBA championships while he was on the team would be considered the greatest NBA player of all time. However, I don't see anyone mentioning that Bill Russell is a better player than Michael Jordan or Lebron James or Oscar Robertson and others. Thanks, Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 11, 2022 at 05:08 am

Who has the second most NBA championships? HOFer Sam Jones with 10 rings. Many folks have never heard of him. Heck, I only remember the name.

The 1959 Boston Celtics had no less than 7 hall of famers on it. The 1963 team had 9 hall of famers on it.

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barutanseijin's picture

September 11, 2022 at 06:10 am

I could imagine Montana, Brady & Favre playing well for the Lombardi Packers. Rodgers isn’t tough enough, especially upstairs.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 11, 2022 at 11:43 am

They had three Chances to draft Montana in 1979, GM Bart passed over him...

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jurp's picture

September 11, 2022 at 10:10 am

Championships ARE an indicator of greatness. How many people still remember Roman Gabriel, and he was a great QB for the Rams? Sonny Jurgenson? Steve Brodie? Dan Marino is often down-graded in the discussion of "Great QBs because he only led his team to a SB appearance once and didn't get the win. Dan Fouts, anyone?

When you play a game to win, not winning the championship means that you ultimately have lost, and have therefore, not been successful. Typically, only the best win.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 10, 2022 at 02:05 pm

Since, part of the reason those 11 HOFers are in the HOF is because of Bart Starr. If the Ice Bowl had ended in an interception? If we'd lost a bunch of those playoff games we won? Do we really have 11 then? Or did being a dynasty and part of the Lombardi Legend help a little?

Bart could lead men to victory, even under very adverse circumstances. Men that can do that are rare.

I agree on the leadership point: It shouldn't all fall on him. He's our highest paid guy, at the most critical position, and he's been the face of the franchise for over a decade, but it certainly helps to have other vet leaders in place, like Clark and Lewis and Amos and Cobb. But a ship can only have one Captain, and that's the guy who has to get you through the toughest moments.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 10:13 pm

LH I think winning helps with the HOF but there are dozens of players in the HOF who never played in a playoff game never mind had the success of the Lombardi Packers. Players like Dan Fouts and Sonny Jurgenson come to mind not to mention our own James Lofton who did have a playoff appearance in 1982 but that was it.

In any case Leatherhead here we go again into another season. I'm looking forward to reading your comments as we go through the season. Stay safe. Thanks, Since '61

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:58 pm

Unfortunately for Bart the 70's and 80's existed too. Wonder what happened to his leadership in those years. His personnel decisions were complete disasters. Good leaders listen to those working under them, Starr completely ignored those people and it cost the Packers dearly.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 10, 2022 at 02:22 pm

That would be one way of looking at it.

As I recall, Bart was given the HC job pretty much by acclaim. Nobody in the state was saying "No. He's not qualified. He has no experience". Nobody said that, but Bart himself was candid about it years later when he said he wished he'd had an opportunity to learn for a few seasons.

In any event, he inherited a really big bag of hot garbage. A bad team with a losing record and no real talent. AND, thanks to the Hadl trade, no premium draft picks, either. This was in the era before free agency so you were kind of limited in options to improving your roster.

He unloaded Hadl and traded for Dickey, who was our QB for about 8 or 9 years, but he was injured quite a bit because he was playing before the era of protected QBs. We got Lofton. We got Coffman and Jefferson. We drafted Ellis and Ivery.

In the end, we never got above 8-8 and his last season was 8-8. In a later interview, Bart said that he wasn't prepared to be a HC and made some early missteps, but he felt that he had grown a lot as a coach and that we were right on the threshhold. He was replaced by another Lombari era guy, Forrest Gregg, who went 8-8.

I'm not sure where you get the "completely ignored" people, but I suspect it has something to do with some draft mistakes. Sometimes, leaders listen to the people around them and then make their own decision, and sometimes that's unpopular, and sometimes that's incorrect, but it's part of the job.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 10, 2022 at 10:33 pm

He was a very shitty GM. If he wouldn't have been Montana and Lott would have played for the Packers. Also drafting a player who said he didn't want to play NT for the Packers and played in Canada.

It's cute that Swisch has his head stuck in the 60's but Lombardi himself thought about replacing Starr a few times. Christl has wrote about it more than once. It would have been interesting if Lamonica had signed with the Packers after being drafted by then. He can think what he wants but Starr was no Unitas.

They gave up way too much for Jefferson and his two years of so so productivity.

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barutanseijin's picture

September 11, 2022 at 06:12 am

Ol’ Bart didn’t listen to Bruce Clark when he said he wouldn’t play in Green Bay. That was crazy.

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Swisch's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:32 pm

An interesting reply by Qoojo may be representative of the thoughts and beliefs of many others.
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Rodgers holds out and holds the fans hostage for two straight offseasons -- but it's judgmental to criticize him.
He trashes the front office as coldhearted to players over the years, which goes to the very reputation to the Packers as an organization (plus tarnishes the actual people involved), as well as threatening the ability of the Packers to attract other players in the future.
He seems to undermine the head coach by making public pronouncements about what's best for the team before the head coach has a chance to decide.
He appears to thwart the vision of the head coach for the offense, as evinced by the offense on the field seeming to be so much different than what we expected when we hired the head coach.
Just fine for other fans such as the one above to criticize me, though, with snide remarks and even nastiness. Somehow, that's not judgmental, and perfectly okay?
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Then there's this weird argument that we shouldn't expect our athletes -- or anyone else in our times -- to have high character.
That virtue stuff was all in the past, but today it's okay to act like a jerk.
It's that attitude that produces losing teams, losing organizations, losing nations. As long as the economy is good, we don't need character; instead of, if our character is good, then a good economy will follow.
It's the outlook that puts glitzy bling over a Super Bowl ring.
***
Bart Starr won five championships in the 1960s, while the much more heralded Johnny Unitas of supposed dash and daring and a golden arm won zero.
Maybe that had a lot to do with how Unitas related to his coach, or didn't relate. Maybe that's what happened to Brett Favre after he won a Super Bowl, and what has happened to arrogant Rodgers after his triumph of leading the Packers to a title so very long ago.
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I marvel at the giddiness of fans for the Packers after Rodgers has failed us in at least the past two seasons in the playoffs, in the most agonizing and heartbreaking of ways.
It's almost laughable to celebrate the Packers as likely to be tops in their own sorry division when we lose in the playoffs to teams of higher caliber in such ridiculous ways.
Somehow, this year it will be different, though, even though the leader of our team on the field as quarterback hasn't seemed to change for the better.
It doesn't matter that Rodgers is lacking in depth of character, that he's shallow when it comes to playing with others. If he's not happy, he'll take the ball and go home. So, we'll do anything to keep the diva happy, even at the cost of our dignity.
It all seems to me so frustratingly futile, and so I'll feel free to speak out against the crowd of sycophants (or at least the misguided) when a column like the one above gushes over Rodgers.
I'm grateful for at least a few fans out there who get it: Character counts!

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marpag1's picture

September 10, 2022 at 02:01 pm

So you're saying that the guy who was voted as the best player in football for the past two years has wanted to be paid like the best player in football for the past two years? Goodness, how mortifying.

You think Rodgers disrespects coaches? Ray Nitscke once got busted for breaking team rules by drinking. John Maxymuk, the author of “Packers by the Numbers" explains: "When he was spotted by Lombardi violating one of the coach’s rules by having a drink at the bar late in the 1960 season, Nitschke made no pretense of hiding but instead sent the coaches a round of drinks. Lombardi was furious and wanted to cut him on the spot, but defensive coach Phil Bengston calmed him down, since the team was short on healthy linebackers. Lombardi left it up to a vote of the team and Nitschke prevailed unanimously with that electorate."

Oh, but Rodgers is the one who defies authority? I mean after all, Rodgers talks about what he thinks is best for the team and such? Calls his own audibles now and then? Oh, the horror.

Lombardi's Packers had character, I guess? Ok, how are you defining "character?" Do you mean character as in, "Max McGee was quite a character! I don't think Aaron Rodgers would stay out till 6:30 am on the morning of the super bowl getting drunk with two flight attendants like Max did."

Is that what you mean by "character?"

Did Hornung show a lot of character when he was suspended for the entire 1963 season?

Did Vince Lombardi himself not go behind the back of the team and negotiate his own departure to Washington while he was still under contract in Green Bay, all without informing the Packers executive committee? Is that the "character" that is lacking in ARod?

Do I really need to enumerate how many of Lombardi's players were drunken, chain-smoking, womanizing frat-boys who seemed a little bit more concerned about their playboy lifestyle than they were about the team? Do you know anything about those players?

But it's Rodgers lacks commitment to winning. Righty-o. I guess people will see whatever they want to see.

LOL.

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Swisch's picture

September 10, 2022 at 03:03 pm

What is so essential to understand about Rodgers is that his arrogance goes to the very heart of debilitating a team.
In other words, I'm not focusing on the personal behavior aside from the team, or on the periphery of the team, but on personal behavior that directly affects the team.
I'm not excusing the selfish behavior of McGee and Hornung, or any others -- which did at least threaten the well-being of the team -- but they weren't trashing the general manager or undermining the head coach (both of which were Lombardi).
I'm not saying the Packers of the 1960s were saints as individuals, but that they did sacrifice for each other as teammates to their common glory (with the individual accolades coming in greater measure as a result).
Lombardi actually used the word "love" to the describe the dynamic that would make the Packers the most illustrious team in the history of the NFL.
It's more than sad to not learn from this example -- and celebrate it -- and so to accept modern failures too easily. Talent is necessary, but not enough for ultimate triumph.
We are all flawed and faulty, but love covers a multitude of sins, and also elevates a group to greatness.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:03 pm

It's such a silly argument. The 1960's Packers were very good but also very fortunate. There were only 14 teams and one game playoffs for two of the five championships and two games for the other 3. They also had assembled most of the talent before the AFL started diluting the talent pool for other teams. That is nothing compared to today's playoffs and FA.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:21 pm

Marpag to me the question is what happened in 1968, '69 and '70 when Starr was still the Packers QB? Where was the leadership and character in those seasons? Thanks, Since '61

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 10, 2022 at 02:25 pm

"Bart Starr won five championships in the 1960s"

No, the Green Bay Packers, with their 12 HOF players, and a coach many consider the greatest of all time, won five championships in the 1960s. Your continued assertion (obsession) that it was all Starr and his "character" that won all those rings, completely disrespects the memories of all those other great players.

Maybe it's time to take the damn blinders off.

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Swisch's picture

September 10, 2022 at 03:13 pm

I don't assert it was all Starr, but in war generals get most of the attention.
The G.I.s deserve a ton of the credit and admiration and gratitude, but without great leaders will not reach their potential.
An army will flounder under the arrogance of a George McClellan, no matter how impressive his skills and shiny his persona; but an army will thrive under the humble but bold leadership of an Ulysses S. Grant.
Quarterbacks get a ton of the praise or blame, and there seems to be at least some good reason for this being so.
What's often lost is that it doesn't matter how dashing he is as a passer, but how dedicated he is to the little things that go into the craft of the quarterback, and how determined he is as a leader of men.

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 10, 2022 at 03:24 pm

As a Vietnam vet who was fortunate to make it home, the last thing I need is some football obsessed fan explaining to me how the military functions. I absolutely hate it when football is compared to actual combat with real bullets flying.

So save that shit for someone else.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 10, 2022 at 04:35 pm

If you think that you are the only army veteran, you are wrong. I'm, too.And we were fighting against 3rd Army force at that time (Yugoslav People's Army) with limited resources and not much sophysticated weapon, still we won. In our war real bullets are flying around, but because we are small nation, I guess your experience is much more important than mine?

Anyhow, I can assure you that we won the war because we had few excellent generals, not just because we were throwing our bodies on the line of bullets, but because our generals were caring about their soldiers and putting us in winning situation. And there was some, like Aaron Charles Rodgers, they were sure they know much better than generals. Do you know how they finish? 3 yards under the surface of the ground.

I can tell you with fresh (very fresh) memory that only organized army can have success, and that is the same with states, companies, societies, franchizes, teams and with any form of group activity. Just that.

What I agree with you is that "battle" on the sport's court can not be compared with real war.

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 10, 2022 at 06:22 pm

"but because we are small nation, I guess your experience is much more important than mine?"

Well, I never said that, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I would think, as a fellow combat veteran, you would also be tired of people comparing actual combat experience to a football game played by millionaires.

I'm just tired of Swisch, who I doubt has ever experienced actual combat, or possibly even ever played football at any level, lecturing the rest of us on what it takes to be successful in both endeavors.

My last comment on this subject. I'm thankful you survived your experience.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 10:22 pm

Way to go 13Times!!! They will never understand what happens when the shxt hits the fan for real. Semper Fi brother. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 11, 2022 at 12:22 pm

Wage Peace.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:25 pm

BTW Switch what happened to the leadership and character in 1968, '69 and '70? Starr was still the Packers starting QB in those seasons. Where was the leadership and character in those seasons? Thanks, Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 11, 2022 at 06:39 am

AR's defenses since becoming GB's QB:

2008: 22nd
2009: 7th
2010: 2nd Won SB
2011: 19th
2012: 11th
2013: 24th
2014: 13th
2015: 12th
2016: 21st
2017: 26th
2018: 22nd
2019: 9th
2020: 13th
2021: 13th

Only a couple of years with a top half defense. AR won one of the two years with a top two defense.

Starr got the 2nd (1960), 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd (1967), 4th (6-7-1) and 3rd (8-6 in 1969) ranked defenses by points allowed. True, there were only 21 teams in 1960 and 26 in 1969, but lots of first and 2nd ranked defenses in there. Heck, 3rd and 4th out of 26 ain't bad at all.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 11, 2022 at 07:05 am

Brady's defenses in his super bowl appearances:

2001: 6th
2003: 1st
2004: 1st
2007: 4th (SB loss)
2011: 15th (SB loss)
2014: 8th
2016: 1st
2017: 5th (SB loss)
2018: 7th
2020: 8th (with Tampa Bay - pretty good defense)

Not as great as the defenses Bart Starr was blessed with, but a lot better than the ones Aaron Rodgers got, overall.

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Since'61's picture

September 11, 2022 at 08:57 am

Correct TGR. As I have posted many, many times the Lombardi defense was one of the best of all times. They were absolutely superb in post season games.
1960 - 17 points allowed
1961 - 0 points allowed
1962 - 0 points allowed
1965 - 15 points allowed in 2 games
1966 - 37 points allowed in 2 games
1967 - 28 points allowed in 3 games

Total - 97 points allowed in 10 post season games.
9.7 PPG 9-1 W-L record.

Thanks, Since ‘61

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croatpackfan's picture

September 10, 2022 at 05:17 pm

Swisch, there is no way you can explain what is looks like anything, if thoise are blind or blinded. Tom Brady is not as "clever" as Aaron Charles Rodgers nor he posses that unbeliveable talent for football, but still have how mony SB won? Wow, how is that possible?

What people do not want to understand is that all the actions Aaron Rodgers did related to the Packers are so humiliating to Packers that it is hard to accept that.

OK. Aaron Charles Rodgers get the right to be consulted of his opinion when team prepares offensive plans for every game, he get the right to be consulted when team wants to hire some players, when it is draft time to whome team will drafted, which player will play and which one will not, which game he will play and which game he will not, when team deciding which players will be active foir game day and which will not, what is the best for his health and what not, and so on and so on.

OK. And than he is talking about accountabilty. MLF smoked his claim of his field vision and knowledge what defenses will do. So he gave him the right to change the called play by his assumption what will opponent D do.

We have very good evidence, 2 times in the row how his vision of the field, progression and knowldege what will defense do produced. 1 time it was NFCCG vs Bucs and secon time it was divisional game vs 49ers. Wow, how succeful he was in his oponent D assesment and his progression and his vision. OK, I know, I'm wrong. He is the missunderstood genius. His genius vision was missunderstood by Packers offense and opponent D. They did not left Davante Adams alone. Shame of them. Genius idea was that he will not throw to wide open Allen Lazard, but to triple covered Davante Adams, because nobody will expect that. WHat can go wrong?

I'll ask what kind of education Aaron Charles Rodgers has to be GM, HC and OC? Or at least player evaluator. As far as I informed, MLF was first assistent coach, than position coach, then QB coach, offensive coordinator and he was educated to become HC as he was right hand of his former HC. Also, how many times Aaron Charles Rodgers spent in studying young players through their high school and college career? You know how good evaluator he is? Where is Kumerow now, Where he is playing? The player, Mr ACR, aka DIva insisted to be on the roster, because he is top player. For which franchize Kumerow plays today? Can you tell me that?

What kind of medical education has Aaron Charles Rodgers? Obviously high medical education so he can decide what is the best for his health with no consulting physician or experts in the field. Oh, very, very clever...

He will not throw the ball to the young player, because that player may not catch his throw. He will rather throw ball away. What is the difference. Both plays ends as incomplitions. Oh, i forgot, that ball to young player can be intercepted and that would really have impact on his stats, almost perfect.

Again, it is personal opinion on any of the posters how they want to see ACR. I have no problem with that. I'm just sorry that, by this discussion looks like many do not see how someones character can influence ongroup of the people that are working together on the same goal...

By my opinion Aaron Charles Rodgers is self self sufficient, only loves himself (that he found again last summer, using some phycodelic drugs - that much of his medical expertize) and he will do everything to convince others he is guilty for nothing. His eloquence and intellingence helps him a lot in amanipulation with others. Do you ever ask yourself why Aaron Charles Rodgers does not have stady realtionship with women or men, whatever is his preference. He had admirers he is calling friends...

So Swisch, do not discuss with admirers, as any argument does not have influence on them...

I just hope his phycodelic drug helps him to follow what is agreed to be done...

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Swisch's picture

September 10, 2022 at 06:55 pm

croatpackfan, I'm so glad to have you here as one who sees through the facade of Aaron Rodgers, and has the courage to speak out about it.
Then again, after being in real combat in the battles of the Balkans in the former Yugoslavia, your courage has already been proven in much more severe tests.
As correctly noted by 13TimeChamps, I'm not sure I would last a week in warfare, but I do sincerely admire and appreciate those like you who have borne the battle, including 13TimeChamps.
***
I know I bring up the subject of Rodgers' arrogance from time to time, perhaps too often, but the opinion column above that called on us to appreciate our self-absorbed QB cried out for a response.
What gets to me is the dread of knowing that the Packers are almost certainly doomed to failure come January in the most heartbreaking and gut-wrenching of ways.
All of the hard work of the other 52 players on the roster will be tossed away like the inexplicable pass to Davante that should have gone to the open Allen Lazard.
That's not fair to the fans, either, but what is more unfair is Rodgers sullying the image of the Packer with his egotism.
I've invested more than 50 years as a fan of this team -- including the lean years of the '70s and '80s -- and it hurts to see the selfishness of Rodgers abided and even rewarded.
So, I'm angry and sad at what Rodgers has done to the Packers, and express my genuine opinions.
I hope other fans will see that tolerating the arrogant behavior of Rodgers is bad for the team, the fans, and even Rodgers. He needs to change fast, or the Packers will again disappoint in dysfunction.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:07 pm

"Tom Brady is not as "clever" as Aaron Charles Rodgers nor he posses that unbeliveable talent for football, but still have how mony SB won? Wow, how is that possible?"

One of the best coaches ever and Top 5 defenses every time he got a ring? Brady has won more playoff games with 3 interceptions that Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Elway combined. Must be magic hunh?

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 11, 2022 at 12:28 pm

Ask Vinatieri...

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cdoemel's picture

September 10, 2022 at 08:37 pm

First, Rogers isn’t always that great in fantasy football! And the Packers suck against the spread btw! Historically! Just saying. But I think the bottom line is, you get your feelings hurt easily. By stuff that doesn’t matter. I was born in Green Bay in 1957 on Langlade right off Military. we could stand out on the front stoop and listen to Lambeau roar! My mother has a Packer G on her headstone. No lie!! It’s the age we live in. Everyone is allowed to, anonymously, be a snowflake and a crybaby about everything that hurts their feelings. It’s the Green Bay Packers! Remember the 70s and 80s? No crying allowed!

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Lphill's picture

September 11, 2022 at 07:53 am

Why do you care so much about what Rodgers says or does off the field?

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PhantomII's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:33 pm

Rodgers is the most accurate QB I have ever witnessed. The dimes he threw to DA who merely dropped an elbow and corralled a pass in perfect step in extremely tight coverage was incredible. MM lack of coaching ability to scheme WR's open caused a lot of keystone cops back field antics and 6-7 second OL blocking to allow AR some crazy game changing moments with deep passes to #87 and others....But it also bred in bad habits and 2- broken collar bones. If AR could do 2 things for me in his waining years it would be to.....just move the chains and get 4 more downs to move closer to the goal line and score points on the board as the primary focus of our offense wether by the run or pass and.....spread the ball around more efficiently to different open receivers. These two things are what are keeping us from a Super Bowl appearance and is the only thing Brady has mastered to a higher degree than him and is the foundation of "CHAMPIONSHIPS". I would also like to see AR get more involved on the sideline and get "HIS team" keyed up offense or defense. Gute has assembled a very good roster for Matt on offense and defense. I believe this is our year even with rook WR's in the mix. You can tell they feel it also... GPG!

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Crankbait's picture

September 11, 2022 at 06:52 am

Once again, Rodger's ego and defeatist aura when things go bad will keep us from advancing in the playoffs. Been setting my watch to this for at least the last five years or so.
There will be, as usual, plenty of spectacular moments and enjoyable wins against the Bears, Lions and Vikings. This ultimately will be Rodger's legacy..... his dominance of the division.

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PhantomII's picture

September 11, 2022 at 10:59 am

Unfortunately Mike Holmgren is the last great Packer Coach and he abandoned GB. If ML ever gets there AR will not be. ML has so far proven to me he has not learned from his mistakes against better coaching nor does he have a steady rotation of more than 2-RB's which he has shut down the run game 2x in the playoffs because he did not use his alternate RB enough throughout the year to feel comfortable with him in the game. Love is young and moldable. GB does not need a league MVP to win a championship. They need a QB to play within the system and use the run and pass game to move the chains get close to the end zone and score points.

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ChildOfTheNorth's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:46 pm

I had my first contact with Football ever in 2013 (come from Europe). Since 2014 I watched every game shown on TV here. 2015 I watched the Packers game vs. Lions which ended with the Hail Mary. I caught fire and watched every single Packers game (Game Pass). Wanting to watch Aaron Rodgers play is the reason why I fly to London this year. Say whatever you want but it is beautiful to watch him and my heart beats faster when a Packers game starts and Aaron is the starting QB.
😍🏈

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Coldworld's picture

September 10, 2022 at 04:20 pm

Rodgers is a great QB. There’s no doubt about it. So was Starr and Starr was the best leader we’ve had, maybe anyone has had, at the position, but of all of them the guy that was the most fun to watch play QB was Favre as far as I am concerned.

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:50 pm

Aaron, I appreciate you. There, done, it's been said.
Now lets go to work. The words and accolades of the past on these pages mean little to the season which begins in MN. Lets get off to a good start, Kick some ass and take care of the business at hand.

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splitpea1's picture

September 10, 2022 at 12:50 pm

Sigh....Yes, we appreciate all the special moments AR has provided for the franchise, but shouldn't this commentary be saved for something like his HOF induction? I don't mean to be ungrateful for the article, but this topic has gotten as tiresome as the "we're the class of the division" routine.

At this point half the reason I want to see the Packers win the Super Bowl is so that maybe Rodgers will retire and we can finally see a fresh face at QB. To be honest, I love that the team may be transitioning from one that is highly quarterback-dependent to one that leans a little more on the defense and running game.

What matters right now is how Rodgers adapts to his new receiver situation and ultimately how far he takes us in future playoff runs.

Change is a fact of life, so we might as well embrace the post-Rodgers era with confidence, even if it seems a little murky right now.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 11, 2022 at 07:21 am

I could not disagree more with the second paragraph. Keeping a top notch defense together requires great drafting, astute player personnel moves, and cap savvy, or a great defensive coach like Belicheck, who was great with pro personnel moves, the cap and as a coach (not drafting so much).

I have no desire to see AR retire.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:08 pm

Gil, your implication appears to me that Aaron Rodgers is truly a great quarterback. I do agree with that and I do appreciate and acknowledge his remarkable skills. However, if I'm going to take a moment to idolize any football player, it would be a Bart Starr who was superb as a quarterback and even better as a gentleman.

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Oppy's picture

September 10, 2022 at 01:36 pm

I appreciate the pre-2016 era Aaron Rodgers far more than I appreciate the post-2016 Aaron Rodgers.

Generally, people talk about "intangibles" in terms of pro sports players as being hard-to-impossible to quantify traits that push a player's worth beyond what the stats sheet indicates. It's usually talked about in terms of being positive.

For me, the Aaron Rodgers of the last 6-8 years has demonstrated a number of intangible qualities that are damaging to worth, beyond his technical prowess. It's about decision making, willingness to accept coaching or critiquing, trust, and character.

As I've repeatedly stated over the years, most talented QB I've ever seen throw the football. To me, the things that, in my opinion, make up those intangibles that I believe tarnish his worth are all easily correctable should Rodgers accept his faults and choose to make change. The frightening thought is that the Packers offense, which has always been high level if not elite over the years, could improve drastically with earnest change from Rodgers, again, in my opinion.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 10, 2022 at 09:03 pm

DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

With the notable exception of the last two months of 2016, 12 has been a post season net negative on since 2015. He had a terrible game in 2011 in January. He was bad in 2013 in January and bad against the Seahawks in the 2nd half in 2014 too.

I am thankful for the last 15 years, but I absolutely blame the man being paid the most when things go awry when it matters most - repeatedly. That man has refused to take responsibility and instead blamed his colleagues and bosses repeatedly.

I wish we’d traded him for a max package this past offseason, but alas. I will root for him to succeed, because that means my team mostly will. I expect another choke in January, followed by more finger pointing. I hope to God I’m wrong.

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Crankbait's picture

September 11, 2022 at 07:04 am

Never going to change it is what it is. Enjoy the regular season and division victories . There will be plenty of great moments this season for our Packers.

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Crankbait's picture

September 11, 2022 at 07:04 am

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September 11, 2022 at 07:04 am

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PatrickGB's picture

September 10, 2022 at 03:08 pm

I think that he has been over scrutinized. Every, single, thing that he does and says gets parsed and analyzed. He reminds me of a quirky friend or relative that I love and, at the same time, cringe at. He may be a quirky guy at times but he is OUR quirky guy!

Oh, and he plays pretty good too!.

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Crankbait's picture

September 11, 2022 at 07:21 am

That is because he dares to voice his opinions and dares to defy the leftist run political/culture arena, equipped with facts instead of swallowing the fear mongering and fiction . I truly respect the man for having the balls to say what's really on his mind and call out bullshit when he sees it.
I love watching him play except in the playoffs of course, but I also love hearing what he has to say.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 10, 2022 at 03:14 pm

I feel so sad sometimes because it's obvious Aaron Rodgers doesn't appreciate me as a fan. I have taken many many many moments over that past 18 years to appreciate him, and not once has he expressed any personal appreciation to me. Sure, he'll mention "the fans", but he has never called me by name or stopped by my house. He is selfish!

Bart Starr always appreciated me. He played in an era when players loved the game so much they got to paint houses or work selling cars in the offseason. Men followed him because he was a leader; the kind of leader who let other men beat him with a paddle so badly that he had back trouble for life, and he never ratted them out. The kind of leader who shepherded Angelo Fields to a life-changing weight loss, and introduced the PACK ATTACK line of fan gear in partnership with Shopko. And, Bart cared about me!

When I was in college, a buddy talked me into watching his 10-month old son. My buddy needed a haircut, so it was my job to just hold the kid at a barber a shop in Green Bay. It was all going pretty well until the little guy started to fuss, and before I knew it he was full-out wailing. About that time, who walks in but Bart freaking Starr. He smiled at me and sat down, and I tried to play it cool, but between the kid squawking and being so close to a legend, I'm afraid I lost my composure a bit. Bart stood up, took that baby from me and said he thought maybe the little guy was hungry. We didn't have a bottle or anything, so Bart sat down, lifted his shirt and breastfed my friends' infant until his tummy was full. It was a beautiful thing to see. Afterwards, he signed autographs for everyone in the shop, and gave each of us $20. I'll never forget that.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 10, 2022 at 04:06 pm

That was pretty good. You had me going there.

Head trauma? LSD? Too much time watching TV? Some times you say some bizarre stuff, and I've got a pretty high bar for that. I wish you were going to be here to watch the game tomorrow.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 10, 2022 at 04:38 pm

Nicest compliment I've had in some time, LH, thanks. If I were able to watch the Packers on TV with other people, I'd enjoy your company. I'm pretty much not fit for human consumption during games.

Multiple incidents of closed-head trauma probably can't be ruled out as a cause. I cannot blame drugs or television for my idiosyncrasies; no place for either in my world. Like you, I workout and read, and putz around here some. Besides that, there's still some daily work to be done, and dogs to be tended. Life is good.

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Since'61's picture

September 10, 2022 at 10:34 pm

Leotis this is the best post of the year at least. It's hysterical!!! Thanks for laugh. Since '61

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jont's picture

September 10, 2022 at 03:56 pm

Unpopular opinion around here maybe, but I don't have to put aside the off the field stuff to appreciate and like Rodgers. I see the mis-steps and flaws, recognize them, and then wonder how I would do if my every word (or silence) were scrutinized by twitters, "analyzed" by football's shouting commentators, and criticized and often twisted by people who enjoy celebrity bashing. I think he's fine. I know and am friends with people who are just as odd, just as conceited, just as California as he is. I don't have any special, higher standard for guys who can throw balls well.

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LGDaub's picture

September 10, 2022 at 04:32 pm

I suffered through the '70s. But I also remember the '60s. I appreciate good regular-season play just fine, thank you for your condescension. What I want and expect is league titles. AR has a long way to go to make me appreciate his _post-season_ play.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 10, 2022 at 11:10 pm

Lots of amazing plays over the years. I can't help but always think back to the wild Arizona game, (Rodgers and we were screwed out over);and the 2010 Season Playoff and SB, and how I felt it we would certainly win a few more

And even though we haven't YET ,it has still been a long run of the greatest QB talent ever seen. Can't begin to count all the jaw dropping passes. Here's to the start of a final run of Titles . It is Titletown after all. GPG

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Philarod's picture

September 11, 2022 at 08:33 am

To keep it simple, Aaron Rodgers is (in my opinion) the best QB of the entire Super Bowl Era, and he's played his whole career as a Packer. Period.

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