Packers Need an Overhaul at Tight End in 2023
The tight end position needs some TLC this off-season.
By markoldacres
With free agency and the NFL draft approaching, the Green Bay Packers have a variety of areas which need addressing on their roster.
Of course, the nature of the work done to improve the Packers in 2023 will depend on who the starting quarterback is, as this will impact the pending free agents that are re-signed as well as the level of resources available to augment the team.
But one position that needs serious attention this off-season, no matter who is under center, is tight end.
In the Matt LaFleur era, the Packers have utilised multiple tight ends who can execute different assignments. They have had their traditional receiving tight end in Robert Tonyan, their blocking expert Marcedes Lewis and more of a H-back type in Josiah Deguara.
Tonyan and Lewis are set to hit free agency, and Lewis could also simply retire, leaving only Josiah Deguara leading a tight end group which also includes an unproven trio of Tyler Davis, Austin Allen and Nick Guggemos.
If Aaron Rodgers is at quarterback, it feels likely Lewis will return to Green Bay in 2023, and Tonyan could also come back for one more ‘prove it’ year following a disappointing 2022 season, but even if that’s the case, the Packers need to start thinking about the future.
General manager Brian Gutekunst spent two third-round picks on Jace Sternberger and Deguara between the 2019 and 2020 drafts but has not drafted a single tight end since.
The tight end depth chart appears to still be paying for the fact Sternberger did not pan out. Gutekunst has often used free agency to plug holes created by draft misses, and if the cap space is there, he may look to do the same at tight end.
There will be options, such as Evan Engram, Mike Gesicki and Dalton Schultz, who are all set to hit free agency. Green Bay has also previously shown interest in trading for the Raiders’ Darren Waller.
Combine that with what is believed to be a talented 2023 draft class, and the opportunity is there for Gutekunst to make a two-pronged attack at upgrading his tight end room, which is something the Packers GM has been known for during his tenure.
However, he goes about it, Gutekunst must commit resources to tight end position this off-season.
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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @MarkOldacres
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Comments (144)
Renllaw
February 05, 2023 at 07:05 am
Darnell Washington from Georgia in round 2, could step in and fill Big Dogs role plus add a little to the receiving aspect. The kid is a monster. Add a prospect like Zack Kuntz in the mid rounds and you would have the tallest TE room in the league, I think the size factor could help turn around our redzone woes.
mrtundra
February 05, 2023 at 08:23 am
I like the idea of getting two TEs, in this draft. Washington would be solid, as would Kuntz. I also like what I've seen from Whyle, a speedy TE, from the Cincy Bearcats.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 08:46 am
If we get Washington in the 2nd round, either of the other guys would be a great addition as well.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:47 am
I would take Whyle over Kuntz, as Whyle at least adds SOMEthing in the blocking department
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:48 am
Washington is a BEAST. I like him a lot. However, I think he’s been injured quite a lot during his college career. I saw him in a boot during the UGA vs OSU game
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:04 am
They need a receiving threat at the position. Blocking TEs can be had rounds four-six. He is not to be confused with a young Marcedes Lewis who played with a WRs skillset.
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 09:53 am
A lot depends on the combine but I don't see him being there at 45. I'd be fine with them throwing in 78 to move up to get him though, instead of drafting a players that's cursed before he even gets in the plane to come to Green Bay.
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:05 am
Use #78 for a DT or Edge guy. Pass Rush.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 10:49 am
We should either use our 3rd round pick to trade up or down. I don't want us picking in the 3rd round.
jannesbjornson
February 08, 2023 at 12:08 pm
Not worried about "us" picking in rd three, but Gutedkunst.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:24 am
I don't even know if Washington will be ready for the combine. It looks like he sprained his ankle in the OSU game
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 06:32 pm
Didn't he go back in the game, even after he sprained it? I thought he did, because I was worried it was a knee...
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 06:55 pm
My bad - just checked and he did play vs TCU in the national championship. I don't know if he went back into the OSU game though
jvole
February 05, 2023 at 07:35 am
Why get a tight end when your quarterback hates throwing to the middle of the field?
mrtundra
February 05, 2023 at 08:20 am
Who knows if Rodgers will even be our QB, next season? I have no doubts about Jordan Love throwing the ball to the middle of the field. Get the Packers some receiving weapons, who can block, at TE.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 08:23 am
Cuz that QB will be gone, and Love has shown he'll throw in the middle of the field...
jvole
February 05, 2023 at 05:16 pm
I should have added that I have wondered if that is why Gute neglected the position...But good points above! But perhaps we would be singing a different tune if Tonyan had not trashed his knee.
Charvid
February 05, 2023 at 07:39 am
One of my biggest early draft crushes is Dalton Kincaid…real tough guy to bring down.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:47 am
his shiftiness reminds me a lot of Travis Kelce…like a lot. I would be extremely happy if the Packers got him
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:45 am
Whittingham is a Mouse Davis disciple, but he uses two TE with multiple looks in a Pro-Style scheme. Kincaid will get better. Their other TE, Brant Kuithe, will be on next year's draft radar.
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 07:41 am
No overhaul needed. Add one good TE early in the draft.
mrtundra
February 05, 2023 at 08:15 am
Add two. One early and one later and we will be good. I do not see any FA help coming our way due to our cap issues. Mayer, Washington, Kincaid, Kuntz, Whyle and others, are all available for the Packers, if Gute wants to go out and get a couple of TEs. Nothing like rookie contracts to help your cap, either. I wish Brock Bowers, from Georgia, could declare for this draft. That kid is a stud at TE.
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 08:39 am
Both Kuntz and Whyle could easily replace Davis and DeGuara.
And Kuntz is built like Lewis.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:44 am
You don’t get it - Deguara isn’t a normal tight end - he’s a FULLBACK. We’re not going to draft true TEs to replace fullbacks
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 08:53 am
He is listed at TE! Not RB.
What don't you get?
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 10:07 am
Just because there's no H back designation. Has he ever been asked to play inline?
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:17 am
A move TE which is to say a HB who La Fleur doesn't have a clue how to scheme. I watched him with the Bearcats for three seasons. He has the skillset. He was my rd three guy. When he was the lead dog, Dillon got yards. He ran all the wheel routes with success, then they stop using him in the game "plans."
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 08:57 am
He's not even a Fullback. Jim Taylor was a FB. William Henderson was a Fullback.
Deguara was drafted to be a Kyle Juszczyk type player for us, but has shown little to no talent for the position. I wouldn't say Josiah is a bust, but likely should've been a 6th round pick instead of 3rd round pick if you're evaluating on talent.
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 09:13 am
Good we agree.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 06:36 pm
Funny sh, when I first started coming to CHTV, I agreed with you quite a bit, until you started climbing aboard the "Crazy Train" quite frequently...
If you dialed back the crazy a bit, I'm sure many more would agree with you regularly, until then, well, IDK what to say.
Packerpasty
February 06, 2023 at 10:37 am
haha...crazy train...that works both ways ya know..lots of crazy train on this site...
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:21 am
Chris Cooley is a good comparison. LaFleur is not as hard-core as Shanahan working edge and putting his QBs at risk with RPOs.
Coldworld
February 05, 2023 at 11:05 am
Disagree on the talent. When used that way he’s looked capable. Unfortunately he got injured as a rookie then had to fill in against type and since we went away from any pretense at the illusion of complexity for which he was drafted, that role had mostly vanished.
If Rodgers stays and/or LaFleur continues with the vanilla approach that dominated last year, there’s an argument that Deguara is redundant in this team as used. Either use an F-back as LaFleur calls it (H Back to me), or don’t and get a type that we will use.
Then again, I’m not convinced LaFleur really knows how to use any TE who is not really an extra OL. Tonyan may just be a guy, but his usage last year was laughable compared to his production when out there in the passing game. I’d love to strengthen TE play on this team, but I’m beginning to fear that won’t happen or realize its potential with LaFleur involved, regardless of who is QB.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:22 am
We need a competent offensive coordinator. He is more of a Juszcyk/Kuhn type player
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:12 am
Averett is built like Lewis. He is a bad ass type guy. I would be happy if they get another pick into round two and play the odds of bagging one of the top five guys. Mayer. Kincaid, Kraft, Musgrave are the top four with Washington being a blocker, I would only use a rd three pick.
They can get Inline guys Rd 3-5
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:15 am
I would select Schoonmaker and Durham before those guys. Whyle came back from injury.
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 08:48 am
Lewis wants to come back, Deguara is under contract, and we can probably get Tonyan back cheap. Add one guy. I like Washington but others would work as well.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 10:51 am
I would take Lewis since we can actually get him cheap, but Tonyan will be asking for at least 5m/yr. The Packers can't and shouldn't afford that with our current cap
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 09:54 am
Bowers can't declare, he's a true Sophomore.
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:08 am
With the Rd. seven picks they can get a third guy, or a fourth and heat up the competition. Do not whiff in the earlier rounds as they did in 2022. Would you want Bellinger or Rhyan?
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:46 am
I don’t see Tonyan returning due to cap issues.he is 29 and doesn’t add that much to the offense, either, nothing that a rookie TE couldn’t replace
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 08:50 am
Tonyan led the TEs in snaps last year, and his 53 catches were one of the most productive seasons for a Packer TE in history.
Nothing that some rookie can't replace....Sheeesh.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:54 am
I don’t think 470 yards and 2 TDs is very exceptional. If his season was great, it’s only because the Packers haven’t had an exceptional TE in their history. I’m sure Michael Mayer could do that and more. We also can rotate in some of the depth players like Austin Allen too. Maybe even our Fullback, Deguara, somewhat too
In addition, if Rodgers goes to the Jets, part of our trade compensation could be TE Tyler Conklin. He would be a welcome addition to our barren room
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 10:00 am
8.7 yards per catch is not good. There were RBs with higher averages. I'd let him test the market, if somebody overpays him maybe they get a comp out of it otherwise sign him to another one year deal on the cheap.
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:38 am
Belichick takes the comps.
Coldworld
February 05, 2023 at 11:11 am
There were signs of increased athleticism later in the year, notably against the Vikings. I also think you have to look at the offense design/calling and how very conservative it was in terms of formation and route depth except for the occasional deep ball.
I’m fine with moving on from Tonyan, though I think he’d be useful next year at the right price—and we might get him at that. I’m less sanguine about what we will do with a better TE or TEs with this coach—got to be willing to use them offensively and consistently to derive value.
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 11:23 am
No, it's not, but let's remember we're a "throw short" team. That was our passing attack for much of the year... WR screens, dump offs to the backs. Once Watson got ready to play, that kind of changed because of the deep threat he presented.
I think Tonyan is a solid piece that we should try to hang onto. He stayed healthy all season, he was our 3rd leading receiver, he wants to come back, he knows the system. I don't think he's going to be very expensive.
If we don't keep Tonyan, we've just blown a hole in the starting lineup. If you're fine putting a rookie in that spot that will stay healthy all season and catch 50 balls for 500 yards.........well, we've had this discussion before.
The reason(s) I suggested 3 for Tonyan are this: He's 29. This will be his last contract. By making it a multi-year deal, it gives us options as far as spreading out the guaranteed money and that will help. Meanwhile, it gives us a dependable guy this year in case the rookie isn't completelt superduper as a rookie.
If we draft a rookie TE this year, and I hope we do, if he stays healthy for 16 games and catches 32 balls, I'd be thrilled with that as a rookie....especially if he can get his man blocked.
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 11:11 am
So....because the Packers haven't had an exceptional TE in their history (Sorry, Coffman, Chmura, Jackson, Bubba and Findley), then 470 yards and 53 catches isn't very exceptional?
OK. Bell curve time. There were 12 TEs that caught more balls for more yards than Tonyan did last season. The guy right below him, with an almost identical stat line, is the great Hayden Hurst. Tonyan is right below Philly's Dallas Goedert.. The guys ahead of him got targeted more,
I'm not sure Mayer can do that as a rookie. I'm not even sure he can stay healthy and active for a 17 game season....I am sure that in 1961, Iron Mike Ditka set a record for yardage by a rookie TE at a little over 1000. A few others have had exceptional rookie years, and another handful have had over 550 yards. In the history of the NFL.
So you're going to have to explain to me what your measuring stick is. IMO, a TE that stayed healthy all season and had 53 receptions is a plus player, especially if he can get his man blocked. I think it's unlikely you could bring in a rookie, even Mayer or Washington , and be confident he'd do better next year.
Draft a blue chip. Keep Lewis one more year. Keep Tonyan for 3 more. Deguara is in his contract year, so next year we'll be looking to add to this unit again, but for 2022, Tonyan-Lewis-Deguara-Rookie would be a pretty good group.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:38 am
You realize that Goedert was out for half the season with an injury, right? Also, Tonyan does not add much in the blocking department - that is another reason why we should let him go.
I am not sure what is so great about Hurst either. He is a 2nd-rate free agent in my opinion.
When talking about our future TE room, I am all on board with keeping Lewis another year. He wouldn't cost much more than the veteran minimum, and it is a low-risk signing. Don't forget about Austin Allen either.
Mayer has been widely regarded as one of the most pro-ready prospects in the NFL. He caught 67 balls in 2022 and 71 in 2021. Dalton Kincaid, my other favorite TE prospect, caught 70 balls in 2022. Also remember that the college season is just 12 games. I think 53 receptions would be easily achieved by a mix of Mayer/Kincaid, Allen, Lewis, and Deguara.
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 08:21 am
I don't think it needs a Overhaul.
What it comes down to is Mayer.
He would be a upgrade. But—But--- But---
Would he be the packers TE for the next 10 years?
Is he the right player with are current QB Position?
And thats the problem. Trust!
The trust is with Tonyan and Lewis.
And Mayer will cost us more down the road.
Upgrade or Re-load. Something must happen.
Because the 4 TEs don’t give us peace of mind.
DeGuara and Davis already look like cuts.
And they're far from the NFL top 5 list.
Shouldn’t They be replaced First???
TT thought his scouting staff needed to find the
Players, the others couldn’t.
Everyone sees Mayer. But do they see the room!
Darnell Washington -
Dalton Kincaid
Luke Musgrave
Sam Laporta
Tucker Kraft
Cameron Latu
These are the best TEs in years.
Anyone of them can replace what we have.
But the bigger question is still the WR room?
Lazard is Leaving.
Better to kick the tires before you window shop.
mrtundra
February 05, 2023 at 08:34 am
I agree on Mayer. He may not even be there for the Packers at #15, but in some mocks, he was. To your list of TEs we can look at, I'd add Zach Kuntz and Josh Whyle, of the Bearcats, out of Cincy. All, can be had from the 2nd Round on. Mayer is a round 1 pick. Instead of going there, I think the Packers could draft a top Edge Rusher or an OT, which it seems we need. Maybe even BPA at 15?
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:37 am
I would go Lukas Van Ness at #15 most of the time, even if Mayer is still there. We can trade our round 3 pick to move up in the 2nd to draft Kincaid. I would only go BPA if Mayer, Van Ness, Brian Branch, Nolan Smith, Quentin Johnston, or Jaxon Smith-Njigba isn’t available, and even then I’d probably rather trade down.
I am not crazy about Kuntz because he can’t block. Whyle is at least a decent blocker, and a dynamic receiver too. If we draft Kincaid, though, we shouldn’t get either of them because their skill sets overlap. Let’s get more of a blocker later, like Noah Gindorff of ND st. or Luke Schoonmaker of Michigan
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 08:50 am
Your thinking about winning the draft.
Thats not going to happen with Gutey.
Kuntz did just fine at Penn state.
Same build as Lewis and can add weight.
If you have the height. The length to block is there.
He is a better blocker than you think.
Schoonmaker?- Think Tonyan.
I still say He will be re-signed.
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 10:01 am
There's a good chance Van Ness is there at 45. Solid draft for Edges.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 10:52 am
He will be long gone by 45. All of the mocks have him going in the 12-25 range
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:42 am
If we get Mayer, I sure think he could be with us for the next 10 years! He looks AMAZING! This is a guy who set Notre Dames school record for receiving yards among TEs.
I don’t think you should kick the tires if the air has already left them. Tonyan is 29, and I don’t see any reason why a draft TE or 2 wouldn’t be an upgrade over him. A needless expense to the cap.
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 09:07 am
Does he really look like George Kittle= Vernon Davis?
Try Tj Hockinson who is now with the Vikings.
The 6' 4' act 250 pds. is the other thing.
The Top 5 NFL TEs have it.
The speed leaves and you trade them.
You need the Wrs to open up the middle.
Does GB have them?
Think 500- The packers don't have Nelson , Cobb, Jones.
And add Driver and Jennings in between.
What was wrong with Finley???
13TimeChamps
February 05, 2023 at 10:03 am
Finley was a headcase who couldn't hang on to the ball. Some of his wide open drops were maddening.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 10:53 am
What about Gronk? He wasn't the fastest, was he? That is who Mayer reminds me of. The speediest TEs aren't always the best
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:55 am
Vernon Davis had a 4.38 40 @ the combine. Kittle in the 4.5s, but Kittle, like Watson had a beaucoup broad jump=Burst. Both selected by the 49rs. Ted took Hawk.
Coldworld
February 05, 2023 at 11:14 am
Finley got injured before he matured as a person. Talent yes, but erratic focus and concentration. He might have been very good if he had not got hurt and wanted it enough and realized what that takes as a person.
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:33 am
Trust what? Neither guy has deep speed any longer to threaten the seams. A reason you didn't see much of the middle field used. Tonyan had a nice drag route across the QB's face in Miami, but he had all day in the pocket waiting for the break. Neither guy is a scoring threat in the redzone as they lost their quicks. Mayer is a Chumura type guy, inside to out and he has great hands. Davis and Deguara are stuck in their spots. Gutedkunst has to bring in fresh legs. Yesterday is dead and gone. Lazard can be replaced by any of 5-6 WRs from this class. I don't care for guys dropping balls on 3rd down conversions.
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 03:37 pm
Trust Tonyan or they won't get Defensive help.
I'd much rather rebuild the offense.
But not with a Te early.
I want what SF drafted.
Speed in the offense.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 03:44 pm
If we get Kincaid or Kraft, that will bring us speed. If we trade Rodgers or Bakhtiari there is no reason we can't do both
Duneslick
February 05, 2023 at 03:14 pm
Mayer is not worth the 15th pick and really not worth a first round pick, Pick a TE in 2nd or 3rd round
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 03:40 pm
I Agree.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 03:41 pm
Mayer is CERTAINLY worth a round one pick. Have you watched his film? Besides being an excellent receiver, he is a mean blocker too!
There are some other great guys in round 2 though. If we choose to pass/are unable to pick Mayer, we can get one of them
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 05:20 pm
Kincaid
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 05:32 pm
Agreed
jurp
February 05, 2023 at 04:38 pm
Yep, let's use a QB who only "trusts" receivers he's played with for year. That's certainly a losing formula. A pure 9 on the Bonkers Scale (BS).
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:36 am
At very least, we need one of Mayer, Kincaid, or Kraft.
Don’t add any free agents. We don’t have the cap room. Let Tonyan walk. Let Lewis come back if he wants to on a veteran minimum 1 year deal. There’s your TE room
Rossonero
February 05, 2023 at 08:47 am
We don't have the cap space to sign any of the FA TEs, nor am I that interested in Schultz, Engram, etc.
Waller has gradually played less and less the past few seasons. After signing a 3 year, $51M deal last September, he only played 9 games and had 28 catches with 3 TDs. Woof. He's also on the wrong side of 30. I'd pass hard on him.
It's all about the draft at this point. However, I am VERY leery about spending a 1st round pick on a TE. Why? Let's look at the list of TEs taken in the 1st rd recently. Everyone's trying to chase and find the next Jimmy Graham.....but past drafts of 1st round TEs indicate teams have been left very disappointed with very mediocre to poor results:
Eric Ebron (10th overall to Lions)
Kyle Pitts (4th overall to Falcons)
TJ Hockenson (8th overall to Lions)
Noah Fant (20th overall to Broncos)
Hayden Hurst, David Njoku, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Tyler Eifert, Jermaine Gresham, Brandon Pettigrew, Dustin Keller and the list goes on.
Are you seeing any guys who are present day, elite TEs? I sure don't.
Sidenote: Mark Andrews for Baltimore was a 3rd round pick (as was Travis Kelce in 2013).
For me, if the talent is there and Michael Mayer is the next Mark Andrews, then do it in the 1st round (I'll trust in Gutey). We've been swinging and missing on 3rd rd TEs for years like Deguara and Sternberger anyway.
But the front office had better be damn sure Mayer is the guy. My hope is we have multiple 1st rd picks after trading Rodgers and can shore up the safety position, which is a greater need at this point.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 08:50 am
I like this post a lot. I hope we have multiple round 1 picks as well
Rossonero
February 05, 2023 at 09:50 am
Thanks Packy. Hopefully in the next month or so we'll know Rodgers' fate. He said he wasn't going to drag it out, so that's good at least.
Duneslick
February 05, 2023 at 03:16 pm
I dont see deGura as a TE. Too short too small. Fullback
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 03:25 pm
He is a FB
davekenya
February 05, 2023 at 05:54 pm
Draft positions of TEs who are top players is a bit 'mixed' but, looking at how fellow NFL TEs and defenders who have to play head to head against TEs rank them, they list these as the top 5 TEs. I tend to value fellow players more than media, etc in evaluating players.
Kelce - round 3 -- (5th TE taken in 2013 draft)
Kittle - round 5 -- (9th TE taken in 2017 draft)
Andrews - round 3 -- (4th TE taken in 2018 draft)
Hockenson - round 1 -- (1st TE taken in 2019 draft)
Engram - round 1 -- (2nd TE taken in 2017 draft)
Most of these top TEs are also 'young' and, barring injury, should produce at high levels for a good number of years; making them a good investment in a first or second contract. Kittle's the one 'surprise' in being the 9th TE taken that year; the rest: high pick; high result. This is a VERY SMALL sample size...so I wouldn't generalize too much.
BAMABADGER
February 05, 2023 at 09:22 am
I wouldn't object to drafting 2 TEs in this draft rich TE year. First or Second round take Mayer or Washington (both are big, blocking TEs that can catch but no fluid moves). Roll the dice with a "Kittle YAC TE" like Tucker Kraft from SDSU or Will Mallory from the U. Both have size and can catch/run with fluid moves. Blocking can hopefully come later. Combine results will indicate if these two move up the draft board. Mallory had an excellent Senior Bowl.
A QB to sign as a UDFA is Tyson Bagent from little Shepherd College in WVA. Looks like a very raw project. Very accurate and moves in the pocket like Rodgers on every pass because his line was terrible. He is 6' 3" and 208 lb. He participated in this years Senior Bowl. He dad is world wrist wrestling champion - Travis Bagent. Video is hilarious. GPG!
https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1621934089501540354?ref_src=twsrc%...
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 10:25 am
Here's your TE overhaul...
21: R1 P21 S Brian Branch - Alabama
45: R2 P14 WR Rashee Rice - SMU
54: R2 P23 TE Darnell Washington - Georgia
78: R3 P15 EDGE Felix Anudike-Uzomah - Kansas State
122: R4 P20 RB Roschon Johnson - Texas
133: R4 P31 TE Sam LaPorta - Iowa
151: R5 P15 OT Connor Galvin - Baylor
171: R5 P35 LB Dee Winters - TCU
234: R7 P15 TE Josh Whyle - Cincinnati
237: R7 P18 OT Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu - Oregon
244: R7 P25 S Rashad Torrence II - Florida
257: R7 P38 RB Tavion Thomas - Utah
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 10:58 am
Still not taking a safety with a One pick. OT or Edge.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:21 am
I think TE, WR, S, and Edge are what we should consider in round 1. I am not sure why everyone thinks OT is a huge need
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 12:32 pm
Do you remember the right flank being pushed into Rodgers' lap the first half of the season? Von Miller crushing Nijman was a total embarrassment. I want Bhak to stay at LT and get a blue chip to solidify the RT, much like Bulaga did in his rookie year. The OT can transition to LT when needed. Tom should compete for a center/guard spot. You cannot dedicate help to the Tackle spots. One less guy for the defense to defend.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:25 pm
Nijman was excellent when playing LT. Do you think some of his issues at RT could stem from the fact he received almost no off-season training at the position and was forced to transition mid-season? Same with Runyan. Give they each a full off-season to play RT and RG, respectively, and I can almost guarantee you they’ll do better.
Tom has flashed at LT a lot. If he can bulk up this off-season, he could become the next great Packers 4th round LT. He is built similar to Bakh, who I think will need to be cut or traded for cap reasons.
Give Myers another chance at C. Last year was basically his rookie season, as he missed all but 4 games in 2021. Let’s give everyone a full off-season of training at their positions to give them all a fair shot (or, in Myers’ case, another off-season of training), and if anyone flops, we can replace them in 2024
I definitely think we should fortify the OL in the draft, but I don’t think we should do so before round 4. We have other larger needs.
jannesbjornson
February 08, 2023 at 12:18 pm
You do not pay a guy like Nijman. Replace him.
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 11:03 am
24.
Antonio Johnson
S Texas A&M
trade icon
45.
Darnell Washington
TE Georgia
116.
DJ Johnson
EDGE Oregon
119.
Dontayvion Wicks
WR Virginia
trade icon
123.
Zacch Pickens
DT South Carolina
trade icon
151.
Payne Durham
TE Purdue
171.
Habakkuk Baldonado
EDGE Pittsburgh
198.
Dontay Demus Jr.
WR Maryland
trade icon
225.
Zion Nelson
OT Miami (FL)
234.
Marshon Ford
TE Louisville
244.
Cory Durden
DT NC State
256.
Brodric Martin
DT Western Kentucky
259.
Kenderick Duncan
S Louisville
2024 MIN 1st
2024 DET 4th
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 12:34 pm
Some analysts have Zion Nelson moving way up boards. He's solid. Both sides of the Miami lines are good players.
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 11:49 am
I like the Roshon Johnson pick. He's one of the guys I try to get early on Day3. I also like Brian Branch and Darnell Washington.
I'm not getting the love for Rashee Rice. He's 6'0", 200 lbs. Not particularly big or tall. He runs a 4.5, and that's fast, but it's not "speed of sound" fast. He mostly made his catches on short stuff, and in that sense, I'm not seeing what he brings that's different than Doubs.
I'd like Tillman. That's the guy I'd go after, particularly at #45. I can usually get Tillman closer to #66.
Today's PFN:
Trade #15 to Cardinals for #34, #66, and #96.
#34...Antonio Johnson
#45...Darnell Washington
#66...Cedric Tillman
#78....Adetomiwa Adebawore
#96...Roschon Johnson.
Truly, if the Packers were to make this happen, I'd be ecstatic.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:34 pm
Branch and Washington are two guys I like a lot. They’re not my favorite prospect at their positions, but Branch is 2nd and I like Washington a lot
I like Roschon Johnson a lot, but he’s more of an AJ Dillon than an Aaron Jones. If we take him than Goodson would have to be the main pass catching back (which I would actually like to see). I don’t think RB is our biggest need though
Rice is 6’3, about, I believe. He is more of a possession target. I think why people love him is because he literally catches just about all balls thrown his way - his contested catches ability and catch radius is ridiculous. That being said he’s not much of a downfield threat. I do agree that Tillman is the better prospect between the two. He is not as good as Rice on CC’s but is still very good and offers much more of a downfield element. To me, he fits the profile of a prototypical Packers WR.
Duneslick
February 05, 2023 at 03:19 pm
Packers
pantz_bURp
February 05, 2023 at 10:30 am
I best get my eyes checked and/or get the pot of coffee brewing. At first glance, I read Overalls on a Tight End. Well, I dusted off my eyelids and then had a harder time reading the article with black lettering on dark green...figured Mark is pulling for the Eagles.
Now, regarding TE...yes please. We have been needing a difference maker for quite some time. It depends I guess on who will be the QB. But, I always thought a TE and RB that can catch and get YAC, are a QB's best friend. With that said, as some have stated... concentrate on the Big Boys on the line (O and D) first.
Maybe a TE in Rd 3-5 unless a beast is available that is committed to football and maybe is open to playing in a smaller "city", who laughs at underground parking and doesn't mind having snot rods a dangling when filling up with gas at the local KwikTrip in Dec/Jan in God's country. Heck, he kinda wears the rods proudly, like a right of passage.
✌️🙏🤘
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 10:32 am
Sami Rolle on Antonio Johnson:
"I believe Johnson will be the best rookie defensive back in the NFL next season. NFL ready? He’s got the frame (6-foot-3), the size (200 pounds), and he played in the SEC. He’s not afraid. If you watch his film, he played his best in the biggest games."
Really want to see this guy on the Packers. Not only is he a great tackler but his physicality might rub off on the other players. It certainly isn't coming from the coaches.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/2023-nfl-draft-5-biggest-h...
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 10:38 am
Fanspeak has a new format and all our picks now, just FYI...
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 10:57 am
If you want physicality, look at JL Skinner of Boise St. He is better than johnson. He has a 6'4, 215 lb frame and THRIVES on physicality, delivering huge hits.
In addition, he is a true playmaker, snagging 4 picks for the Broncos this season (and he led them with 93 tackles in 2021). Johnson got 0. He may need a bit of refinement to reach his true ceiling (which is TREMENDOUS), but I would take him any day over Johnson
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 12:18 pm
One can also play deep, the other is 218 lbs and shows stiffness changing directions. No thanks.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:35 pm
“ When it comes to concerns, Johnson has yet to showcase himself well in terms of making plays on the football with any consistency. While he flashes the ability to disrupt at the catch point when driving forward, his awareness of the football is lacking with his back to the line of scrimmage and he’s missed chances to make plays on the ball down the field. Johnson is a bit of a high-cut athlete so his transitions and change-of-direction skills have some segmentation to them.”
I don’t think Skinner is any stiffer than Johnson. His ball skills are better though, and he is actually the one who can play deep better than Johnson.
Personally, I think Skinner is more of a zone safety while Johnson, I think, might be more of a man safety
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 11:05 am
I like Jammie Robinson from Florida State. Another Lee County guy. LeRoy Butler likes him. He could replace Savage , day one. The whole F State secondary played well, as with Texas A&M, LSU and Florida. They teach the basics.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:19 am
He is very versatile, which is good. I think if we can get him at the very beginning of the 4th, I'd be happy.
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 12:18 pm
I like the fourth for the safety spot or another Inline TE. One of the Big Ten guys.
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 11:32 am
I like Johnson, we could really use a starting safety, and I get him in many simulations at #34 (after a trade with the Cardinals).
I also think that you should take defenders with your first pick, unless you're taking a QB. So even though I'd focus on the offense in this draft, I usually take the top defensive player on the board, and often it's Branch or Johnson.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:41 am
Branch will be gone by 34. I like Skinner instead of Johnson
Leatherhead
February 05, 2023 at 11:51 am
Branch will probably be gone by 34. Johnson will certainly be taken before Skinner.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 03:24 pm
Branch will probably gone. Even if Johnson is taken before Skinner, I still think Skinner should be our target. Johnson doesn't have very good ball skills or coverage abilities. 0 picks this year and just one in his career
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 10:38 am
5: R1 P15 DL Bryan Bresee - Clemson
45: R2 P14 EDGE Keion White - Georgia Tech
78: R3 P15 S JL Skinner - Boise State
121: R4 P19 TE Sam LaPorta - Iowa
127: R4 P25 TE Zack Kuntz - Old Dominion
151: R5 P15 RB Tank Bigsby - Auburn
171: R5 P35 TE Josh Whyle - Cincinnati
234: R7 P15 WR Jake Bobo - UCLA
237: R7 P18 OT Ryan Swoboda - Central Florida
244: R7 P25 OT Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu - Oregon
257: R7 P38 K Jake Moody - Michigan
golfpacker1
February 05, 2023 at 10:52 am
Freddie Boston on Lombardi Avenue is my favorite writer today. I have long believed when you are picking in the middle toward the back of the first round, trade back and hose somebody for extra picks in middle rounds. In todays article he traded Rodgers to the Raiders for #7 and #38. Perfect start to our rebuild. Then traded #7 and 151 to the Patriots for #14 and 46. Then traded a 3rd time now with the Saints. He traded #14 and 116 for #29 and 40. We still have 2 picks in 1st round and now 4 picks in 2nd round. With those picks and our 3rd he got-
#15 Jaxson Smith-Njigma- WR- Ohio State
#29 Dalton Kinkaid-TE-Utah- I am against a 1st round TE but this is too good to pass up
#38 Darnell Wright-OT- Tennessee I would love for Packers to trade Bakhtiari somewhere for a 1st or 2nd
#40 Mazi Smith-DT-Michigan -solves that everyone can run the ball against us problem
#45 Keion Wright-Georgia Tech- Don't know him but any really good edge rusher I am ok- Harrison Ohio st.
#46 Darnell Washington-TE-Georgia- This solves our TE issues-great blocker, underrated receiver
#78-He took Jalin Hyatt-Tenn WR- he's really good but overkill after Jaxson. I would have taken Jack Campbell ILB Iowa and traded Devondre Campbell and saved $15 million
This guy should run our draft! It wouldn't be a rebuild. It would be a reload!!
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 10:58 am
I like Zach Harrison a lot. I watched some film of his but he seems to cause a turnover EVERY time he gets to the ball. I think he could be a dominant 3-tech
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 12:39 pm
He can be a 5 tech to Edge. He's probably in the 2nd round after his 2022 performance.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:37 pm
Agreed that he is a round 2
golfpacker1
February 05, 2023 at 11:07 am
Love all your picks and mocks. here are some players I always take somewhere.
Safties-Early picks- Battle-Alabama or Antonio Johnson Texas A&M ?
Running back-Devon Achane Is an Aaron Jones clone only faster-trade Jones Save $20 million
ILB-Jack Campbell-Best LB in college this year-Trade Devondre Campbell-Save $15 million
Tight ends for middle rounds-Josh Whyle Cinn. and Zach Kuntz-ODU
and we need a kicker late-Jake Moody-Michigan or Mevis-Missouri. save $5 million by not
resigning Crosby. He has been an awesome kicker but can't kick into end zone anymore.
I am also fixing salary cap problem. You are welcome Green Bay.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:18 am
For Safety, I would target Brian Branch of Alabama or JL Skinner of Boise St. Battle is good too. Johnson is questionable in coverage and has sometimes been an inconsistent tackler.
Achane is only 5'9 and has had some injury troubles. I would not spend premium draft capital to get him. If he falls scoop him up for sure.
I like Whyle a ton. Kuntz can't really block - not crazy over him.
If we want to save money, we'd need to trade De'Vondre after June first, for 2024 draft capital. I like Jack Campbell a ton as a prospect, although I'm not sure how much of a need ILB is. I'd be happy if we got him though.
Moody is a guy we absolutely should target. Thank you for saying something about that. Christopher Dunn of NC St. is another viable kicker too.
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 12:23 pm
Not sure where you're getting Johnson is an inconsistent tackler. From TDN:
"Johnson is an instinctive defender that plays a physical brand of football and lines up all over the field. Texas A&M aligns Johnson as a slot corner, split zone safety, and even occasionally as a linebacker and he shows comfort in each of those roles. Johnson is a sharp processor that stays leveraged and has a rapid downhill trigger. He is aggressive in pursuit and physical when playing through contact. Johnson is an outstanding tackler that embraces the fundamentals of arriving balanced, wrapping, and bringing his feet through. Johnson doesn’t concede yards after contact and he’s a tone-setter for the Aggies’ defense."
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:40 pm
“ Despite his size, he’s not an overly physical tackler. Johnson will have to add some weight at the next level in order to become more physical.” From nfl draft buzz
I did not mean inconsistent in technique, I meant inconsistent in physicality.
If you want a sure tackler, though, look no further than Alabama’s Brian Branch. He has only missed 3 tackles IN HIS CAREER (college). He also has better coverage abilities and ball skills then Johnson. He got 2 picks this year. Not to mention he can also bring the heat when blitzing (as can Johnson), as Branch got 3 sacks
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 12:44 pm
I concur on the Jones idea. They have to focus on pass rushers in lieu of another inside guy. I thought McDuffie played the position correctly. The Crosby call will depend on the terms of the deal.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:42 pm
McDuffie is an inside vacker
Heyward
February 05, 2023 at 12:04 pm
It's a lot easier to play GM than to actually be a GM. Trades are a lot simpler to make when you're making them on your computer.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 01:02 pm
Jalin Hyatt will go before Darnell Washington, IMO. In fact, NFLDRAFTBUZZ has him rated higher than Jaxon Smith-Njigba.
We can all trade on draft simulators, but it isn't like the real world. We'll have to just see what Gutey comes up with.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:43 pm
True true. I try to be as realistic with my drafts as possible ( I don’t use a simulator, I compile rankings from draft sites to estimate where someone may go. Simulators are biased toward that one sites particular draft rankings.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 07:16 pm
https://fanspeak.com/ontheclock-nfl-mock-draft-simulator/index.php?utm_s...
Try this one... Pick your big board... Works pretty good...
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 11:07 am
I don't really see Gutey drafting a WR in this 1st round, but maybe if Hyatt actually fell to us at #15, he might, especially if he does trade away AR12. Giving Jordan Love something Aaron Rodgers never really had, a viable #1 WR with amazing speed.
This draft goes against Gutey's natural tendencies and reshapes the Packers offense to compliment Jordan Love and not ask him to be a Superman.
15: R1 P15 WR Jalin Hyatt - Tennessee
45: R2 P14 TE Luke Musgrave - Oregon State
78: R3 P15 RB Zach Charbonnet - UCLA
116: R4 P14 S Trey Dean III - Florida
151: R5 P15 RB Kendre Miller - TCU
171: R5 P35 WR Elijah Higgins - Stanford
234: R7 P15 S Tyreque Jones - Boise State
237: R7 P18 DL P.J. Mustipher - Penn State
244: R7 P25 OT Kilian Zierer - Auburn
257: R7 P38 EDGE Ali Gaye - LSU
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:14 am
I am sure Hyatt will be available at #15, as there are questions as to how well he would transfer to an NFL offense. I think the Packers should seriously consider getting him; I like him a lot, and he is a good blocker for a slot receiver.
I don't know about taking TWO RBs, though.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 07:18 pm
If he runs a 4.29, he may not be available.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 07:34 pm
Hyatt's average draft ranking is 37.8, with his highest rank being from NFL draft buzz, which considers him to be the 16th overall prospect (and he is on there running a 4.29). He should definitely be available by pick 15.
LLCHESTY
February 05, 2023 at 12:25 pm
I've seen Hyatt mostly going in the 2nd round but that could change if he runs as fast as some people think he will. PFN has him as their 48th ranked player.
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 01:11 pm
His fastest timing was 4.29.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 07:20 pm
If he runs a 4.29 in Indy, on a slow track, that will be indeed interesting.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 11:11 am
Here is the latest mock draft:
I traded Aaron Rodgers and David Bakhtiari to the Jets for 2023 first-and-second round picks, a 2024 conditional first-round pick (that goes to us as long as Rodgers plays for the 2024-25 season), and TE Tyler Conklin. In addition, I traded Preston Smith to the Giants for their 5th-round pick.
Here's the draft:
13 (via Jets): EDGE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
15: Traded to the Steelers for picks 32 and 49
32: (via Steelers) TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah
43 (via Jets): S JL Skinner, Boise St.
45: DL Zach Harrison, Ohio St.
49 (via Steelers): WR Cedric Tillman, Tennessee
78: Traded to Texans for picks 103, 136, and a 2024 5th-round pick
103 (via Texans): C Joe Tippmann, Wisconsin
115: WR Jonathan Mingo, Ole Miss
136 (via Texans): S Quindell Johnson, Memphis
149: LB Ivan Pace Jr, Cincinnati
160 (via Giants): TE Luke Schoonmaker, Michigan
170: K Jake Moody, Michigan
217: DT Robert Cooper, Florida St.
224: RB Travis Dye, USC
233: CB Rezjohn Wright, Oregon St.
239: OG Dillan Gibbons, Florida St.
243: S John Torchio, Wisconsin
What do you think?
PhantomII
February 05, 2023 at 12:15 pm
I would not trade P. Smith. He's steady eddy and does not miss games...so far. I think Tillman is the best WR in the draft and he goes upper RD#1 by pick 12. If I were moving up it would be for him, he's going to light it up as a Rook.. Mingo is a beast, that would be interesting...he goes late in round #2, He'd be a great Wr-TE receiving tweeter to replace Lazard.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 12:42 pm
"I would not trade P. Smith. He's steady eddy and does not miss games...so far."
Smith is 30 years old (he will be 31 by the start of the 2023 season) so it would not surprise me to see the injury bug catch up to him. His pressures and run defense grade was down from last year, and trading him relieves us of nearly 3.5m in cap space this year and 15m in 2024. I think there would be a buying market for him. If we have Enagbare, Hollins, two rookies, and Gary (once he returns from injury), I think that should be a good OLB group. We need to start thinking in the long term.
Tillman is great, but i don't know if he's the best WR in the draft. That would probably be TCU's Johnston. I think he would be one of the best WRs in terms of team fit for the Packers, though. All of the draft sites have Tillman graded as a 2nd-3rd round prospect. He will almost certainly be available to the Packers in round 2.
I really like Mingo's film a lot and I think he could add a lot to this Packers offense. I think he is being underrated in the draft, although all the draft sites I've gone to have him graded as a 4th-round pick - NFL draft buzz has graded him as a late 3rd rounder. Other teams don't value blocking as much as the Packers do, and he's not the best route runner or twitchy guy. I also think there have been some injury concerns with him as well. Still, I LOVE Mingo as a prospect, and I think the pros far outweigh the bads. He can definitely improve in those areas. Maybe we take him earlier in the 4th?
I am hesitant to use our 3rd round pick to select a player, well, because, you know about the Packers and 3rd round picks
PhantomII
February 05, 2023 at 01:08 pm
Draft sites don't mean squat. I'm talking about film. The TCU guy and Tillman are top 2. Both WILL GO IN THE 1ST. MARK IT. MINGO IN THE 2ND MARK IT. See you after the draft. You have to remember how crappy our 3 n out offense was. they were a major factor in a poor defensive effort as well as Bary 10 yd deep secondary trying to stop a 3rd and 2.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 01:33 pm
Okay, although my guess is that professional film-watchers and football people know more than us couch GMs. I always get all of my draft rankings from draft sites and the averages of where the sites think prospects will go.
If I really like a guy I may grade him a TEENSY bit higher, but I listen to what the professionals say, because they are generally right (in regard to what actually happens on draft day)
PhantomII
February 05, 2023 at 02:57 pm
I wanted Watson at the bottom half of the 1st. We were fortunate Gute moved to top of 2nd to get him. He was/is raw but the potential is incredible when he improves a bit and ML gets his crap together and actually creates plays for him to execute on game day. These geniuses you are talking about did not have this freakish player as a 1st rounder and many teams including KC who is pretty good at mining talent did not pull the trigger on him. Although hurt early in the season and preseason Watson would have done better with a better QB like KC has. He doesn't have issues like AR has. I have been watching pro football for over 40 years...I'm no expert...but I know when I see something I like....That my team could use. DA had great hands and incredible release and 40 inch leaping ability and AR threw him dimes...what he didn't have is elite speed. Speed kills and that's where we need to stay focused. Tall, shifty, fast WR's who can get open and catch and block in the run game.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 03:05 pm
He was being mocked as a fringe round 1 prospect near the end. I didn’t think so. It is easy to forget that back on draft day, he was viewed as an extremely risky prospect. If others knew he would pan out the way he did he would have been top 10 pick no doubt. There was a large chance of him busting too. That is just part of the draft.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, other teams may have different things they look for. Just because us Packers fans love Tillman and think he’d fit great on our team. doesn’t mean that Eagles fans, for example, would love him. I would be very happy if the Packers got him, and I think we will, come draft day, have the ability to do just that.
jannesbjornson
February 06, 2023 at 09:27 am
As you said, Watch the Film. I had Watson @ #22 Wyatt #29. Keeping both two picks for the TE and OT.
BirdDogUni
February 05, 2023 at 01:13 pm
So, all we have to do is actually draft a good player in the 3rd round, instead of TEs who should go in the 6th...
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 01:31 pm
Yes...but I don't trust us to do that. Let's just trade it down for more picks
jannesbjornson
February 05, 2023 at 01:25 pm
They have zero pass rush with Gary on the PUP or IR when the season begins. Smith is a durable dude and holds his spot. Cannot see moving P.Smith. The Philly trade scenarios are now being mocked on PFN...?
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 01:31 pm
Bring back Hollins, draft a rookie high, and combine that with Enagbare and you've got a solid group. We aren't going to the Super Bowl in 2023, and as I've said, we need to think more in the long term and get younger.
So what if we have no pass rush? We won't do squat anyway. By cutting him we are boosting our chance of success in 2024. It may not be very pleasant to think about now, but short term pain for the long term gain
PhantomII
February 05, 2023 at 11:47 am
There are 4 TE's I liked film better than Mayer. If AR is moved and we get a 1-2 pick I'd like 2 Rook TE's who can block and run in the 4.5 range. We need to use a #1 pick and get a #1 WR or our season is going nowhere. I do like a couple Rook WR's but they will take some time and A. Jones window is 1-2 seasons. It just depends on windows and who we want to keep. If we want a bad ass OL like Eagles. That's where we start. That is the quickest fix for staying on the field and moving the chains and winning games.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 02:45 pm
Kincaid, Kraft, and Washington are guys we can target in round 2. Whyle, Schoonmaker, and Gindorff (of NDSU) are guys we can target in rounds 4-5.
Mayer looks to be the best traditional TE, though. The fastest guys aren’t always the best. If you want speed, go draft a WR. TEs have to have reliable hands and block well. Mayer has that. Just because Mayer is more Gronk than Kelce doesn’t mean he’s bad,
Here is how I see each of the four main TE’s skill sets:
Mayer = Gronk
Kincaid = Kelce
Kraft = Kittle
Washington = Lewis (in his prime)
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 05:27 pm
@15. Bjorn Robinson RB Tex. Generational Talent
@ 45. Dalton Kincaid. TE Utah. Best Hands and Adjustment
@ 78. Gervin Dexter DT FL. Best Dt Fit
@116. Mazzi Smith NT Mi. NTs Drop
@151. Cameron Latu. TE Al. Replaces Davis
@171. Andrei Losinvas WR Prinston. Fast and Tall.
@234. Jack Kuntz TE Dominion. Freak
@237. Hunter Luepke FB ND. It's Time for a FB and Hill dropped.
@244. Jordan Ferguson DE Tenn.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 05:33 pm
I think we should go Safety or EDGE rather than NT at pick 116 if we get Dexter too. Kincaid I like a lot. Deguara is our FB; no need for Luepke.
Personally, I think it is not very wise to take a RB at pick #15 when we have other needs like S and EDGE.
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 05:42 pm
I took Kincaid over a safety.
You have to fix the DL First.
Lowrey is gone.\
Mazzi drops as all NT do.
But it frees up clark to move.
Like KC did with Jones.
PackyCheese500
February 05, 2023 at 05:45 pm
We would have Dexter, Wyatt, Clark, and Slaton. Why do we need Mazi Smith when we already have 2 NTs and our safety room is barren?
stockholder
February 05, 2023 at 06:07 pm
Beef on the goal line. 4 front.
Slaton goes high ay times.
Clark gets double teamed.
Like I said
Clark can move outside like Raji did.
And the KC CHIEFS did with Jones vs SF.
PackEyedOptimist
February 06, 2023 at 05:04 am
I'd be ecstatic with this draft, Stockholder.
I agree about Bijan Robinson; he's one of the best backs I've seen...EVER. Most would say "Don't pick a RB high," but generational BPAs should ALWAYS be taken. That's why you pick Aaron Rodgers when you already have Brett Favre.
As you know, I've been talking about Kincaid since the beginning. HE will be the best TE from this draft, in my opinion.
It's funny; I posted about how I like Gervin Dexter's tape because he seems to get off blocks as well as anyone I've ever seen, and the next day an article appeared trumpeting how Dexter gets off blocks. :-D
I like the addition of Mazi Smith as well, but despite being a short-armed NT who has trouble finishing tackles, I thnk his combine will make him a late second or early third pick.
Latu and Kuntz would be great competition in the TE room.
I'm all-in on Luepke late--I think someone will pick him in the fifth or sixth.
Losinvas' tape reminds me of a poor man's "older" Jordy Nelson (as a pro--not Nelson's college tape which was some of the best ever!). I'm not sure he's fast and quick enough to be successful in the pros...