Packers Practice Roundup: July 28, 2022
It was the Romeo Doubs show at practice today, but other players also made their presence known.
GENERAL/PERSONNEL:
Garvin is back after missing yesterday's practice. Wood
The DNP list: Mason Crosby (knee) Christian Watson (knee) Sammy Watkins (hamstring) Keisean Nixon (groin) Kylin Hill (knee) Randy Ramsey (ankle) Rasheed Walker (foot) David Bakhtiari (knee) Elgton Jenkins (knee) Robert Tonyan (knee) Malik Taylor (shoulder) Akial Byers (hamstring). Demovsky - Garvin is back after missing yesterday's practice. Wood
Rookie WR Christian Watson said his knee started feeling sore running and cutting on routes late in OTAs. He thought about playing through it, but ultimately he and the team decided on surgery. Watson had no timeline for when he’d be off PUP, but says it’s “day by day.” 2) Christian Watson’s injury that landed him on PUP was a knee. Wood
Matt LaFleur says Aaron Rodgers playing in preseason games is "up for discussion" with so many new receivers.... Wood
Ahman Green and Dorsey Levens both here today. True Packers legends. Nagler
QUARTERBACKS/WIDE RECEIVERS:
Two days of practice. Two days of Romeo Doubs being the standout of the day. Doubs and Gary take home the honors today. 2) It took Romeo Doubs all of 2 training camp days to realize he can hang with the ones in the NFL. We’ll see if he can continue in pads and when games start, but wow what a start. 3) And Romeo Doubs with another touchdown. Ho hum. 4) Oh my god Romeo. Just Moss’d stokes on a red zone fade. Dude is balling. 5) Big time collision between Doubs & Savage on a slant and guess who held on. Doubs with an impressive concentration catch. I think both players are ok. That was a big collision - both went for the ball. Herman
Aaron Rodgers finds Romeo Doubs for another goal-line TD* as the rook sneaks inside the goal line on a quick out and beats De’Vondre Campbell to the sideline. Whole offense comes over to congratulate Doubs after the play. 2) It’ll be really interesting when Romeo Doubs puts the pads on. He’s been raising some eyebrows early in camp, including a great catch in end zone over Eric Stokes on a back-shoulder throw from Aaron Rodgers. The MVP might be building something with his rookie already. Wood
Doubs vs Stokes is growing into must see tv. Really fun battle in team stuff. Nagler
Here is a link to an article on Doubs by Bill Huber. Doubs is getting a lot of love early in camp from observers.
Rookies and younger players getting some post practice red zone work in. Nice touchdown catch - Etling to Toure. And then a drop in the end zone from Hyman. Etling is spinning the ball a bit. Couple really nice reads. Herman [Etling is probably battling for a PS spot.]
Great play action by Love on a rollout and then a lofted lob that floated in the air perfectly for a Tyler Davis td in red zone. Herman [double post under TE section as well.]
Nice drag route from Rodgers to Winfree for a nice pickup. Herman
Rodgers adjusting protection, getting the snap off and hitting…Winfree in stride on the crosser. Gonna have to get used to that last part. Nagler [Not sure if this is the same play as noted in the tweet above. TGR]
Then another great throw from Rodgers to Cobb, who beats Stokes to the front pylon on the out cut. Stokes in good position, but not much he can do against a throw like that. Spofford
Smoke route and a quick throw from Love to a completely unsuspecting Osiris Mitchell. The newbie not quite on the same page with everything yet. Herman
Rodgers to Lazard over the middle, slightly behind but a really nice adjustment on the catch. Lazard keeps his momentum going. Herman [Putting in a Lazard tweet since I omitted a couple yesterday. TGR]
RUNNING BACKS:
Tyler Goodson is so smooth catching the ball. Just had a nice catch in the flat and then brought it up field - he may have been able to get in the end zone, would have been close. Herman
TIGHT ENDS:
Love to Tyler Davis AGAIN. We get a Gronk spike. 2) Workmanlike day for Tyler Davis, catching underneath passes that are there for him. Just had another from Love in RZ. Uglem
Great play action by Love on a rollout and then a lofted lob that floated in the air perfectly for a Tyler Davis td in red zone. Herman
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Starting oline is new today: Zach Tom with the start at LT!!! Tom - JRJ - Myers - Newman - Yosh. Herman [Ryan Woods noted that Tom was the 2nd team LT yesterday. Tom has great feet, but might need a year in the weight room - or not. TGR]
Rookie fourth-rounder Zach Tom is LT1 today. Yosh Nijman switches to RT. Royce Newman from RT to RG and Jake Hanson to the second unit. Matt LaFleur said today we’d see a lot of different combos on the line this summer. Schneidman
Matt LaFleur says Jon Runyan, who started at left guard last season and has stayed there most of this offseason, will get some center reps in camp. Wood
Gary would be sack against Zach Tom. Gary is off to a red hot start at camp. 2) Really nice pass pro from CVL against Enagbare - gave Love lots of time. 3) Gary would be sack on Rodgers against Yosh. 4) nice pass pro from Yosh against Gary. [Nijman is battling, I guess.] Herman
LaFleur on Jake Hanson on being the No. 1 right guard yesterday: Has consistently improved. "You're going to see a lot of different combinations." Huber [So, GB still sees upside in Hanson, which explains why they kept him last year. TGR]
DEFENSIVE LINE:
There are very few Jaire highlights because nobody is dumb enough to throw at Jaire. Just completely shut down. Herman
Gafford with a big hit on Tyler Davis. Offense wasn’t a fan of that. Herman
Defensive coverage has amped up in red zone big time. Hamilton and Slaton probably had love for a sack. Herman
Nice blitz by Krys Barnes and a quick pass rush by Devonte Wyatt for a pressure on Love. 2) Sean Rhyan & Devonte Wyatt with a fun heavyweight stalemate on a run. Fun matchup there. 3) Beautiful rep by Devonte Wyatt. Took on the double team from Tom & TE, set the edge, got in the backfield and made the stop. Really nice play.Herman
Nice read by Lowry on a tight end screen to Deguara. Herman
LINEBACKERS:
Garvin is back but Hamilton and Galeai remain the No. 2 tandem at OLB. Huber
Big edge wins from 91 and 52 forces Rodgers to scramble up the middle on third and goal to end ones reps. 2) Haven’t tweeted it yet but Rashan Gary has looked like a monster off the edge the past two days. Powerful, explosive. Hodkiewicz
DEFENSIVE BACKS:
Love to Mack for a td with Vernon Scott in coverage. 2) There are very few Jaire highlights because nobody is dumb enough to throw at Jaire. Just completely shut down. Herman
Beautiful play by Ento. Came over the top of Toure - legally - and almost came up with the pick off Etling. Really nice pbu. Herman
Great pbu by Shawn Davis - intended for Mack from Love. Was in the end zone. Defense celebrates. Herman [ This play caught Hodkiewicz' attention as well. There probably are a couple of safety spots open for the taking.]
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Comments (71)
Thegreatreynoldo
July 28, 2022 at 10:01 pm
And we get instant validation for Tim Backes' survey and article. The love for Doubs is there and growing. I don't remember which person wrote this tweet, but to paraphrase the author noted they were all going to sound like Juliet in the coming practices.
Another common refrain: Rashan Gary is a monster.
Interesting on Wyatt. That is a strong rotation on the DL.
The whole offensive line changes and performance are interesting. Have to wait until things get sorted, though I think they have enough people to put out a decent OL, and when Bakh and Jenkins return, probably a very good one.
Tyler Davis continues to run mostly under the radar. If he could become a player that might change things up. Looking for tweets on his blocking but we needs pads for that, really.
Roadrunner23
July 29, 2022 at 07:30 am
Thanks again James, appreciate ya!
Johnblood27
July 29, 2022 at 07:54 am
Your middle name says it all...
Grazie!!!
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 12:23 pm
Thanks. As a note, TGR is a nickname given to me by my long-suffering high school Latin teacher, and it was NOT a compliment. It was frustration that boiled up over 4 years of attempting to teach me. I probably was his best student at pure translating Latin to English and English to Latin, but then I would do a mediocre job on vocabulary and grammar. That frustrated him while not bothering me. So, it was at best a back-handed compliment, I suppose. He probably meant the notsogreatreynoldo or the could be great but ain't guy. Strangely enough, it caught on and stuck. He was one of the great teachers to whom I am grateful.
LLCHESTY
July 28, 2022 at 10:13 pm
Thanks TGR. Ryan Wood had a tweet about Rodgers talking to the CBs after practice. It would be interesting to learn what that was about. I know before camp he said he wanted them to be tough on the WRs to get them ready for the season.
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 12:40 am
Wyatt played 297 of his 423 snaps in the B gap so maybe they're looking at playing him mostly in the 2 man fronts with Clark/Slaton. He played 59 snaps as the NT and 56 snaps at 5T. The fun one is he played 5 snaps off the ball. I'd like to see those snaps.
I like the idea of keeping rookies in their comfort zones while they adjust to the NFL. It's not always possible of course but with the depth the Packers have on the D line I think it makes sense in this case.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 06:57 am
I saw that one and another one about AR talking with Rasul Douglas (LaFleur mentioned about the AR/Rasul tete a tete that Iron hardens Iron). Since I don't know what they talked about, I didn't mention it. For all I know, Rasul might be trying to get AR to try dreads.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
July 28, 2022 at 10:14 pm
TGR,
Unbelievable report! Everyone should send you money each day you do a report like this. Incredible!
Love the news on Doubs! Sounds like a young Adam's. Yes, too early for comparison like that.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 05:47 am
Glad Doubs is turning heads in padless and it doesn't surprise me as I thought he would be the most polished rookie receiver....Let's hope this isn't Trevor Davis 2.0 I do not think it is.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 06:15 am
Looks like Allen Lazard is going to be the bona fide #1 target. Even as a self proclaimed Lazard truther a few years ago, I never saw that coming...Not to sound like an "I told you so, douche" but does anyone remember when Allen Lazard was released after training camp? Yes Darrius Shepperd was on the 53 man roster and Allen Lazard was not and Ross Uglem was praising Gute because one of his beloved North Dakota St. Players beat out Lazard in his opinion?,...boy did Gute dodge a bullet here....if Lazard is claimed off waivers, who knows...I have been more pleased than not with Gutekunst but this was not his finest moment....
Johnblood27
July 29, 2022 at 07:52 am
didnt Lazard get signed by Jax to their PS and subsequently pilfered by GB and brought onto the 53?
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 08:32 am
He was on the JAX PS the previous year, we signed him to the 90 man before camp, yes. Gute signed him to the PS after he cut him after roster cutdowns. Lazard cleared waivers but Lazard could have easily been pilfered off the Packers PS during that time frame subsequently from being released.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 10:48 am
We, Gute, poached him from the Jaguars PS in December and thus he was added to our active roster and to the subsequent 90 through the following off and preseason season.
Are you seriously criticizing Gute for leaving him off the roster for a day at cut down, signing him to the PS and then activating him 3 days later? Shepherd was needed on STs (albeit he was not a success) in a role Lazard doesn’t fill. Lazard was essentially unknown at that point. If you have to sneak a player through, he was exactly the profile to do so.
I just had to laugh at castigating the guy who found Lazard and signed him because he used a well known ploy to massage the roster and succeeded in both short term ST goals and long term development of a former UDFA he poached.
Criticize Shepherd perhaps, but if it wasn’t Shepherd someone not Lazard would have been needed. Lazard was largely in noticed until week 6, when injuries got him snaps and those led four passes for 65 yards and a key fourth-quarter touchdown in a come-from-behind win against Detroit.
Lazard is someone we should praise Gute for, not berate him for.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 11:26 am
Sorry, I disagree. Shepherd wasn't needed at all. For anything. He is not an NFL level player and the other 31 teams agree. I would hardly say I was castigating Gute. I said above I have been more pleased than displeased with his decisions. I disagree Lazard was unnoticed until week six as he consistently made plays in camp and in preseason games. And he was consistent in practice as Rodgers lobbied for him to get on the field. And yes, I am criticizing Gute for keeping Shepherd and releasing Lazard. Look at their trajectories and where they are now. Lazard is the #1 receiver for the Green Bay Packers and Shepherd plays a bit for the New Jersey Generals......keeping him on the 53 was a mistake. All GMs make them, Gute makes less than most others.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 12:32 pm
You are free to disagree. Shepherd or whomever makes no real difference to the logical contortion if a common cut down day move using a player who fits the ideal profile as a then unknown player who passed through waivers in the crowd of cut downs and then survived the 3 days before being activated from the PS on August 4.
Yes, it could have been Shepherd or a couple of others, but Lazard was just as unknown and it worked. It may have been a factor that Lazard was out with concussion in the final preseason game. We may end up pulling the same stunt this year if circumstances require us to get a player on in season IR. In this case it was Sternberger, so one can ponder whether it was worth the effort in hindsight, regardless of who was put through waivers.
Gute found Lazard, who is still here and still value. I think that’s to his credit rather than getting all hung up over a common roster practice for a player who was at that point an unknown UDFA who had about 50 less yards in preseason than Malik Taylor last year (185 yards from 14 receptions on 16 targets) Does that make Taylor indispensable?
Shepherd at the time was not only handling returns but caught more passes and TDs in the preseason than Lazard, though Lazard did have more yards. Just a strange rod to beat Gute with instead of praising. I suppose memories fade. That was not a good roster in today’s terms and got much worse with injuries , but nobody cuts their only return man.
dobber
July 29, 2022 at 02:55 pm
Shepherd was part of that contingent that had a really good camp, and had us trying to figure who they could afford to let go. The performances in camp were quite good. Problem was, Shepherd couldn't deliver and came up small when the bright lights were on. At cutdowns, a lot of people felt he'd earned his shot.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 11:41 am
Interesting. IDK, though. Below I came to a tentative conclusion that the largest reason players are put on waivers at cut downs is talent, specifically, lack thereof, and now I would add that arguably an inability to produce on the field at present rather than talent itself is the other large factor. If so, then Lazard it turns out was a risk to waive since he has talent and was able to actually produce in 2019.
Nijman wasn't a risk. He obviously was not ready to actually play so no team was going to put a waiver claim in on him that forces that team to put him on their 53 man roster and pay him for 3 weeks. Since GB had a reputation for coaching up young offensive linemen, signing with their PS was attractive. Similar situation for Malik Taylor. GB was short on WR talent.
I suppose it would help to know why Shepherd failed in GB. Was it talent itself? Was it an inability to accept coaching? Was it work ethic? My first thought was cut downs is all about which guys won't get claimed, but talent and readiness seem to be large factors.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 12:01 pm
Good questions, but it has to be talent, I would think. Being small and not a burner is tough to begin with as the NFL is essentially just physical freakish specimens, the best of the best. You have a few undersized average speed guys like Edelman, Welker and Cole Beasley but these guys are jusrlt so few and far between.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 01:16 pm
It’s never been talent. For one thing nobody really knows which of the last 5-10 are actually better or will be. If they are good now they aren’t in that group. Secondly it’s need. A marginal player with a spot role that you don’t have a current replacement for is going to get the mid when it’s close, and finally, if GMs want to keep more than the roster permits, they don’t risk the best known, they risk the one least likely to be poached to an active roster. That is typically a player unready to play (Nijman) or unknown (Lazard).
The fact that at the time we were arguing who was better as a receiver, Lazard or Shepherd, pretty much tells us why they went with the guy who wasn’t our returner. The fact that Sternberger wax the guy the cut was made to get onto in season IR is perhaps heavily ironic in hindsight.
I hope Lazard goes on to have a 1000 yard season and that we can keep him. If he does, the guy we should pat on the back id the GM you are criticizing. Irony abounds.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 12:03 pm
Good questions, but it has to be talent, I would think. Being small and not a burner is tough to begin with as the NFL is essentially just physical freakish specimens, the best of the best. You have a few undersized average speed guys with great short area quickness like Edelman, Welker and Cole Beasley but these guys are just so few and far between compared to most receivers.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 11:16 am
True. OTOH, it may be that judging talent is secondary to determining which players are most likely to clear waivers and thus be available to re-sign?
Looking back, on August 31, GB cut Lazard, Nijman, Malik Taylor, Ramsey, Ento and Adam Pankey (while trading Reggie Gilbert and Justin McCray). After they cleared waivers (Sept. 1), GB signed Lazard, Nijman, Taylor, Ramsey and Ento to their PS while Pankey, IIRC, went to Tennesee's PS voluntarily since he cleared waivers. GB signed Lazard to the 53 on 9/4/19, but the others remained on the PS. IIRC, I think Pankey surprised GB, since they signed him off the Titan's PS squad to GB's 53 on Sept. 21st, but they were right that he would clear waivers.
Well, whaddayouknow, researching the transaction wire from 2019 does not really support the point I tried out initially, at least not in an obvious way. Most of the guys who they waived didn't succeed anywhere else, so that sounds like a talent thing. [Gerhard De Beer spend three days on the PS with Indy and then was out of the NFL and Pankey has been with Miami for the last three years, but played just 41 snaps in 3 seasons).
GB signed Lazard to the active roster from the PS on September 4, so they didn't leave him out there long, and probably had promised to sign him to the 53 as soon as they cleared space by putting Sternberger on IR and releasing LB James Crawford. I guess I can't think of a player released by GB at cut downs who was poached by another team and went on to significant success elsewhere. My memory stinks though. But that sounds like talent is the most significant factor for the GM at cut downs.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 11:52 am
Some would argue Taysom Hill, but I would disagree as he is a replaceable 30 plus gadget QB with a bionic knee. Though I admit he has given New Orleans a wrinkle, it isn't great success. Not player I smack my forehead over losing. I don't fault the FO for cutting Hill. He is the only one I can think of that did anything either.
You could make the Kumerow argument, I won't. If I remember correctly he was PS elgible then due to the rule change?? Signed by Buffalo.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 12:02 pm
The cynical might suggest that a GM should cut a guy like Hill if they have a coach who has no idea how to use such a player, but that probably is my MM bias showing.
Mike Holmgren just got nominated for consideration to the the hall of fame. McCarthy's record looks as good or better to me. Not a fan of Holmgren as a HOFer, myself, as I think that cheapens the value. Holmgren was a good coach. So was MM until he ossified. I think if a coach developed or made a success out of a new concept, like the West Coast offense, or Tampa 2, that might quality one even if the coach's record and playoff success is not stellar. Otherwise, a coach SHOULD have to have been wildly successful or innovative to get in. But that is just me.
dobber
July 29, 2022 at 02:58 pm
Shhh...don't disparage Hill. There are still some Taysomites around here who think the Packers cut a future HOF-er when they let him go.
Johnblood27
July 29, 2022 at 09:42 pm
Kurt Warner?
mrtundra
July 29, 2022 at 08:53 am
I've been a Lazard fan since I saw his Iowa State videos, before that draft. I knew he would be solid, if given the chance. Now, he is proving he belongs here.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 09:47 am
He tore it up in in the BIG 12, Lazard was the catalyst for Iowa St. upset of Oklahoma. I was pretty stunned he was undrafted.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 01:26 pm
He was expected to go in the 5th to 7th round, but concerns about his speed (despite his 4.55 40) at the NFL level took over. Was he really an undersized move? Could he win against NFL DBs as a WR. It’s not like he latched on with his first team immediately either.
Interestingly, Lazard has stated that the cut changed his approach:
“"When I first got cut, I shifted my mindset a little bit because if I'm on the team, it's about staying on the team and making plays and going out and winning. Once I got cut, it was about making the team," Lazard told NFL.com on Friday. "Those first five, six weeks before I started really playing offense I was going out there every week for special teams, just knowing that I had to make a play if I wanted to stay here or stay in the league. ... I just tried to capitalize every play that I could get in on and then just wait for the opportunity offensively.”
https://www.nfl.com/news/allen-lazard-s-preseason-cut-fueled-packers-bre...
Maybe it was part of him kicking in and finding his niche as a blocking WR to get started.
croatpackfan
July 29, 2022 at 06:01 am
Again, thank you very much TGR!
Nothing new to add from yesterday post except Tyler Davis. BG spoke very affirmative on him, so it looks he really brings something positive to the TE group.
Please, please - continue TGR!
lecko
July 29, 2022 at 04:42 pm
Very off topic...quiestion for croatpackfan: did you manage to get packers tickets in london, will you go there ?
croatpackfan
July 30, 2022 at 07:26 am
I'm waiting from NFL.com to send me information regarding ticket. I applied on their site, if you want to know. I will surely try to attend that game as this is the best chance to see Packers in live...
EDIT: I just find out that there is no available tickets at the moment. Maybe it will be later. I will search hard to find that 1 ticket!
NickPerry
July 29, 2022 at 06:16 am
Awesome stuff TGR... I was wondering where you were since I hadn't seen anything from you in quite a while.
PackEyedOptimist
July 29, 2022 at 07:02 am
Thank you for this outstanding coverage TGR! You're right there with JA with this kind of coverage! :-D
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 07:35 am
One thing I've "learned" from doing these practice roundups is to pay attention not just to who made a play but against whom did they make it. Gary is going to beat the best offensive linemen in the NFL at times. Gary beating Tom and later Nijman doesn't mean Nijman and Tom can't play or can't play that particular position, it just means Gary is ridiculously good. At the same time, obviously it would be better if Nijman and Tom had been able to shut Gary out.
So, I am encouraged by Doubs catching it and taking it away from the DB because the DB was Stokes. Though that may be something Stokes needs to work on. Better yet if Doubs catches some against Alexander. Making contested catches is great even if I am more interested in how much separation he gets since AR doesn't throw 50/50 balls much.
The best example of this thought was Gileai. Last year he went something like 12-0 in one on one reps. It was phenomenal. Then I went and checked, and noted that the coaches did not set up any one on ones for him against Jenkins, Turner or Runyan, so against those three offensive linemen he went 0-0. So his wins were against Braden, Hanson, maybe Myers and Newman (I don't remember). Still, having a good record in the one on ones is better than having a bad record, and a player can only play the guy on the schedule.
No practice Friday. GB has a practice Saturday morning, so I will try to get a roundup out Saturday afternoon or evening.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 08:09 am
To make catches against Alexander, the receiver first has to be covered by him and then the QB has to throw at him. Per the report, the QBs are not throwing his way even if the coverage does arise.
Nijman is cited as being beaten by Gary once and then holding up well against him another. As you say, these results are likely if Gary is as good as cited, whomever is at T.
Interesting to see the faith in Hanson. It would appear that he’s taken the opportunity to develop his body power and mass, which, despite a very successful college career at C for Herbert, was a theme in many scouting reports that the writers thought would hold him back in the pros. Hanson was an excellent pass protector as a C, he was not see as being as effective in the run game, so that maybe something to look at when the pads go on.
Nice to see Ento getting noticed in coverage, but his issue isn’t coverage it’s tackling. Again, until we get contact, probably in games, we won’t know much there. The same is true for Davis’ blocking. Though in his case, that was the strong suit that got him on the field last year. Good to see him develop in the passing game though. I’ve seen a few references to catches by Mack too. That would help our depth to start the season. If Tonyan is out.
Keep up the good work. So far Doubs, Winfree and Gary seem the early stand outs, but I have to say a lot of love for Love and no negatives on the first two days. Toure seems to have shown more than Rodgers among the others … the fun has started, at least for those for whom shorts play can tell us something.
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 09:33 am
Hanson had 33 bench reps but more than one person thought he lacked lower body mass. IIRC he had a really ugly 10 yard split and didn't do any of the jumps or agilities. Oregon has been considered a speed team for awhile now, maybe they don't do much lower body powerlifting and focus on stuff like plyos.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 10:55 am
I recall him looking top heavy, I think Gute essentially said that he was a player who needed time in the weight room and thinking I could see why despite the 33 bench presses.
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 06:15 pm
Maybe he just stuck to the pretty boy lifts?
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 06:14 pm
Stick him next to Dillon. Then he will learn
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 06:15 pm
Rhyan could help him out too it looks like.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 08:22 am
TGR, are corners really even playing press yet or using leverage? Is Doubs making the plays just running free off the LOS or are the corners getting up on him and getting hands on him atleast?
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 08:41 am
They are in shorts. You aren’t going to see physical play like that, but good routes and the speed to get separation and difficult catches are valid illustrations of Doubs’ potential. In general though, DBs do tend to struggle more in shorts because they aren’t doing the things you reference at all or as they would in a game.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 10:28 am
Not like pads but they still hand fight and use technique with hand placement
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 01:49 pm
There’s a little, but it’s not the same. I was thinking that after the offensive victory claimed on day one. No Mike McKenzies in shorts (even to the extent they are ever allowed to be physical today—something I personally regret).
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 06:17 pm
It sounded like Savage and Doubs had a big collision the other day, the writers were impressed he held on to the ball.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 06:51 pm
Incidental, not planned collisions are not prohibited if not encouraged. In that case, it was stated that both went for the same ball and collided.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 09:17 am
I have only been to two practices in person. I hope to get to three or four this year, maybe tomorrow. From my limited experience, the answer is yes, but it depends on which part of practice. Things during 11 on 11 at the end of practice at least seem to me to be close to game-like conditions.
Practices get divided up into sections. Team, Red Zone, 2 minute, with STs and other guys working elsewhere all the time. It seemed a little chaotic until one notices the patterns during practice. There certainly are times when QBs just throw into nets and WRs run routes against air, but these tweets are only about times when things are contested. If I get there tomorrow, at the risk of boring folks, I will look at how practice is divvied up into the sections.
* Edit: I intentionally attended practices conducted in pads. So, I've never been to a practice in which the players were just in shells or just in shorts. That no doubt affected how things looked.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 09:31 am
Thanks TGR
Well then let's jump on the hype train!
Mr. Rollin' on Romeo Doubs
Jk
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 11:15 am
From the CBA, Article 23;
“On days two through five of preseason training camp, no live contact shall be permitted.” Day one is physicals. “Live contact” is defined elsewhere in the agreement as including “blocking, tackling, pass rushing, bump-and-run.” As such, the answer so far in camp is no.
They are allowed some full speed time in week one, but live contact only starts to be allowed in limited amounts in week 2.
For those that want to know more about what is allowed in week one.
During week one: “Players may be on the field no more than 3.5 hours. Two on-field sessions are permitted as follows: one session may be a full speed practice, which can be no longer than 2.0 hours. This session may include all customary practice activities at the head coach’s discretion. The other session on the same day may be for a maximum of the remaining 3.5-hour on-field time, and is limited to only walk-through instruction and drills and plays conducted at an acceptable walkthrough pace (i.e., Pro Bowl practice pace), as demonstrated in a video jointly approved by the parties, with offensive players lining up across from defensive players, or kicking team players lining up across from return team players. No helmets may be worn during the second practice. The two on-field practices may be conducted in either order.
(b)(ii)
On days two and three, helmets and jointly-approved protective shirts are permitted for the full speed practice.
(b)(iii)
On days four and five, helmets and jointly-approved protective shirts, shells and spiders are permitted for the full speed practice (shells and spiders shall be jointly approved by the parties).”
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 12:33 pm
Excellent. Now I wonder if it is worth attending tomorrow! Only 12 open practices this year, and tomorrow is the 3rd one. Practice lasted 1:42 yesterday, and LaFleur rarely exceeds 2 hours. Clearly he and the NFL are moving away from the kind of contact that existed decades ago.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 01:59 pm
A good question indeed. As I read it, they are allowed a little more protection on Saturday than yesterday (day 3).
Since'61
July 29, 2022 at 08:23 am
Great work as always TGR! Excellent report. Thanks, Since ‘61
UdderApocowlipse
July 29, 2022 at 08:24 am
Interesting lecture on the history of the state in which Vic resides. Also interesting to hear how the state let its flourishing cattle roam (the unfathomable branding)!
https://www.listennotes.com/de/podcasts/the-idea-store/the-deep-south-19...
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 08:31 am
Here is a blurb from packersdotcom that is pretty interesting and expands on my comment above:
"Following a solid first day for the No. 1 offense in 11-on-11 work – which included Rodgers hitting Allen Lazard on a free play and later a deep ball for a circus catch, Juwann Winfree on a go route against tight coverage from Eric Stokes, and Amari Rodgers on an inside move off a pump fake – Rodgers said he got a fist bump from Clements, "which is really hard to get," and he was rather pleased about pleasing his mentor.
[Lazard's catch was the splashiest play,] "but Winfree's contested grab on the go route against Stokes was probably the most significant. With Watkins and Watson sidelined, Winfree is beginning camp taking reps with the No. 1 offense, and it was no small matter that he came through. Rodgers noted going deep to a receiver who's one-on-one on the outside like Winfree was serves as a sign of trust, and making the tough catch against solid coverage by a starting corner will only encourage more looks his way. "I wouldn't be surprised if 88's over there going, 'Hey, I'm a pretty damn good football player. Don't forget about me,'" Rodgers said. "Because when he shows up and when he's healthy, he makes a lot of plays." Spofford
PeteK
July 29, 2022 at 09:10 am
Great beginning for Doubs. You never know Hill, Diggs, and Renfrow were 5th rounders and had good rookie seasons. Thanks, TGR
Lphill
July 29, 2022 at 12:48 pm
I think Winfree stays, it seems Rodgers is comfortable with him.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 02:16 pm
If he can stay healthy he represents a very useful option. He can apparently play all WR positions. Other than Doubs (in college at least), I don’t see another I can really say has that potential and is not probably starting. I think if he continues, he could easily be the guy they want first up if a starter (in the broader sense) goes down.
Apparently, the 1s today (closed) were
Rodgers
Jones / Dillon
Lazard / Cobb / Watkins / Doubs / Winfree
Davis / Lewis / Deguara
Nijman / Runyon / Myers / Hanson / Newman / CVL (subbed Newman later)
Good to see Watkins back (Ramsey is too) and Walker (OT). Interesting that Winfree was still there even with Watkins back. Nijman back to LT, Hanson at RG even when Van Lanen took over from Newman. Starting to think they like Hanson genuinely.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 02:29 pm
It sounds like Amari Rodgers is clearly behind Winfree and battling Winfree for reps without Watkins a full go and no Watson...he is certainly now behind Doubs..So he is currently WR 8....doesn't sound like much of a jump thus far where he needs a big camp.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 02:23 pm
Interestingly, I was just told that in a ST heavy session today (closed), Gafford was the first returner up and Rodgers second (Doubs also featured). Very early days, but surely not a good sign for Rodgers.
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 05:28 pm
I seriously doubt they give Watson a shot at KR after the knee scope so it's up for grabs. I don't see Rodgers returning punts again, he was middling in college and we all saw last year. I thought Doubs had the best shot at PR but if he ends up being WR3 they might go with someone else. Rodgers could really help himself by winning one of the returner jobs, maybe KR is a better shot for him. I don't think practice will tell us as much as the games will.
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 05:19 pm
Shhh! You keep that up Leatherhead will get mad at you.
Leatherhead
July 29, 2022 at 05:33 pm
No, I’m pretty comfortable with Amari’s spot on the team, and I’ve seen enough training camps that I don’t get overly excited when a guy in shorts catches a football.
I’m happy Doubs is off to a good start. Winfree is not going to make the team unless a WR takes a serious injury in the next few weeks.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 05:38 pm
I am a little less excited about Winfree now that I read it was a contested catch against tight coverage. That's not nothing, but I like to hear about great routes and getting separation.
As you note below, it is early days. First padded practice is Tuesday. [Not happy in the Packers site since I looked it over carefully and saw no mention of any kind of practice today. Oh well.]
Leatherhead
July 29, 2022 at 05:27 pm
Nobody moves ahead of anybody in shorts.
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 05:44 pm
You keep that Rodgers as a starter dream alive. It's yours and nobody can take that away from you!
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 06:05 pm
The fact is, Rodgers needs a big camp. He needs to show growth in year 2 after really doing nothing his rookie season. He was a liabilty on special teams and not trusted as a receiver. Lots of competition now, he is not a lock for this roster.
Bure9620
July 29, 2022 at 06:05 pm
The fact is, Rodgers needs a big camp. He needs to show growth in year 2 after really doing nothing his rookie season. He was a liabilty on special teams and not trusted as a receiver. Lots of competition now, he is not a lock for this roster.
Coldworld
July 29, 2022 at 06:31 pm
I thought he’d start off getting a lot of snaps, certainly ahead of Winfree and possibly, initially Doubs. That the team preferred the rookie straight off and Winfree as the next man up is surprising at this point.
Rogers has time to come back, but he’s going to need to start making plays. So far his one mention has been a reference to a great throw from Love. Meantime, Doubs is stacking up successes and Winfree is showing too. Watkins is now back, further pushing Rodgers back. Right now it’s Lazard, Watkins, Doubs, Winfree, Cobb quite clearly.
lecko
July 29, 2022 at 04:52 pm
Watching photos from practice I noticed funny huge white thing on top of helmet with many players. In the meantime I foud the answer...it is addtional padding for protection.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 29, 2022 at 05:41 pm
Not all positions are required to wear it. LaFleur seems a little concerned that guys will use their helmets more instead of using proper technique. IIRC, the NFL recommends but does not require RBs to use the padding on their helmets. I believe linemen are required to use the padding.
Darn, I omitted the padding on the helmets tweet. The things are an ugly gray color.
LLCHESTY
July 29, 2022 at 05:52 pm
Yep. The Giants ones are a nice color and I saw another team's that looked good. They couldn't go with some green ones?
That reminds me, when I was working in Chicago I got a ventilated hard hat to try and stay cooler. The only color they had was yellow and I put a few Packers stickers on it. Whenever someone asked why I had a yellow hard hat I'd point to the Packers stickers and say it's gold. They didn't really buy it.