Packers Snap Counts Vs. Baltimore: Week 17, 2025
The Packers cannot match the beef and get steam rolled by the Ravens.

The Packers placed TE John Fitzpatrick and LB Kristian Welch on injured reserve. The team activated DE Colin Oliver off of the reserve/Physically Unable to Perform list. With Jordan Love still in the concussion protocol, the Packers elevated QB Clayton Tune from the practice squad, and they also elevated TE Drake Dabney to help replace Fitzpatrick.
The inactive players due to injury were Jordan Love (concussion), WR Savion Williams (illness), and Zach Tom (knee). DE Colin Oliver, Barryn Sorrell, and DT Nazir Stackhouse were healthy scratches. The Packers evidently prefer Brenton Cox to Sorrell and Jordan Riley and Bohanna to Stackhouse. OL Donovan Jennings finally got on the field.
Zayne Anderson (ankle), Jordan Riley (achilles), Kamal Hadden (leg), Dontayvion Wicks (concussion), and Nate Hobbs (knee) were all injured during the game, with Riley and Hadden being carted off. It seems very likely that the injuries to Hadden and Riley are season-ending. Malik Willis also left the game but Coach LaFleur said that Willis could have returned to the game had the score been closer.
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Belton | 47 | 100 | 4/16% |
| Morgan | 47 | 100 | 4/16% |
| Walker | 41 | 87 | 4/16% |
| Banks | 41 | 87 | 4/16% |
| Ryan | 41 | 87 | 4/16% |
| Kinnard | 8 | 17 | 4/16% |
| Monk | 6 | 13 | 4/16% |
| Jennings | 6 | 13 | 0 |
The run blocking was poor, particularly in short yardage situations. The Packers' running backs gained 19 yards on 7 carries. In the first half, the running backs gained 1 yard on 2 carries while Willis gained 21 yards on 4 carries . Overall, Willis added 60 yards on 9 carries for a 6.7-yard average and 2 touchdowns. With the quarterbacks, the Packers gained 79 yards on 17 carries for a 4.65-yard average for the game.
The pass blocking was good. The Packers allowed 4 quarterback hits and 2 sacks. Jordan Morgan and Belton each allowed 1 hurry, per pro football focus. PFF lists the Ravens with 8 pressures.
RUNNING BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Brooks | 21 | 35 | 13/52% |
| Wilson | 17 | 36 | 6/24% |
| Jacobs | 13 | 28 |
Josh Jacobs gained 3 yards on 4 carries with a long of 1. He caught his only target for no gain. Jacobs did not look like himself. He finished with 1 yard from scrimmage. I think Jacobs might sit next week against Minnesota. Wilson gained 16 yards on 3 carries, a 5.33-yard average, with a long of 6. He caught his only target for 8 yards. Brooks caught 1 or his 2 targets for 11 yards. He made split some defenders to pick up the first down on his reception.
QUARTERBACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Willis | 39 | 83 | |
| Thune | 8 | 17 |
Malik Willis completed 18 of 21 (85.71%) passes for 288 yards (13.71 yards per attempt) including a 40-yard touchdown bomb. He had a 134.8 pass rating. He also ran 9 times for 60 yards and 2 TDs. Malik Willis completed 4 passes over 30 yards. He played extremely well. He definitely increased his stock as a free agent next year.
Last week Willis said he tried to speed up the play and changed his cadence, which led to losing the handle on the snap. This week, center Sean Rhyan snapped the ball which hit Willis in the face mask, leading to a turnover. Willis was trying to either change the play or set the protection at the time of the snap and was not looking towards Rhyan.
Clayton Thune came in late and completed 1 of 4 passes for 8 yards. He was intercepted when Bo Melton tipped a pass that was thrown right to Melton and hit both of his hands. That was a drop on Melton's part.
TIGHT ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Whyle | 30 | 64 | 8/32% |
| Musgrave | 20 | 43 | 1/5% |
| Dabney | 7 | 15 | 7/28% |
Whyle caught 1 pass for 8 yards. He threw a nice block on the Ravens' defensive end which sprung Willis for a 22-yard touchdown run. Musgrave and Dabney had no statistics.
WIDE RECEIVERS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Watson | 29 | 62 | |
| Doubs | 27 | 57 | 1/4% |
| Golden | 25 | 53 | |
| Reed | 24 | 51 | |
| Melton | 17 | 36 | 11/44% |
| Wicks | 3 | 6 |
Christian Watson caught 5 of his 6 targets for 113 yards, including a 39-yard touchdown down the seam. He also had a 31-yard reception deep down the left side, though he had to double-clutch that catch. Watson continues to be a big play machine. Doubs caught all 3 of his targets for 62 yards, including a 40-yard bomb. Bo Melton caught 1 of 3 targets for 34 yards. He dropped a pass, tipping it into the air, which led to an interception. Golden caught 1 of 3 passes for 12 yards and Wicks caught a pass for 7 yard and then left the game with a concussion.
Despite an inability to run the ball, plus a turnover on downs and a fumble, all in the first half, the Packers managed to stay in the game despite a ridiculous time of possession deficit by making big plays through the air and with Willis' feet. By my count, the Packers ran 14 snaps in the entire first half. Indeed, the Packers came back to make the score 27-24 in the third quarter to make a game of it. Baltimore's time of possession in the first half was 23:46 to the Packers' 6:14. That is a miracle they were not hopelessly behind.
DEFENSIVE TACKLES:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Brooks | 56 | 74 | 12/48% |
| Wooden | 52 | 68 | 8/32% |
| Brinson | 34 | 45 | 7/28% |
| Bohanna | 15 | 20 | |
| Riley | 11 | 14 | 1/4% |
Brooks had 5 tackles (2 solo). He had 1 hurry and 3 stops, per PFF. Wooden had 6 tackles (3 solo) and 2 stops per PFF, and a missed tackle. Bohanna had 2 tackles (1 solo), and 1 stop. Brinson and Riley had no official statistics, though Riley got hurt in the first quarter and did not return. PFF listed Riley with 1 hurry. The Packers played 2.21 defensive tackles on average per snap. That means they often had 3 DTs on the field to try to stop the defensive line from being steam rolled. It did not work. Derrick Henry almost never had to stop and redirect upon reaching the line; instead, he was able to get a full head of steam and run through large holes and then bowl over defenders. The only penetration into the backfield came from linebackers, DBs, and occasionally an Edge player. Nor was there much push from the defensive tackles.
Wooden came into the NFL weighing 273 pounds. The Packers and the media report that he has bulked up to 300 pounds, but that is still light for a nose tackle. I do not know if Wooden has worn down over the course of the long season or if he was ill. Brooks has never been even average against the run. The Ravens played 1.59 TEs per snap plus they had a DT/fullback, Patrick Ricard, who is listed at 6'6" and 300 pounds, on the field for 43 (57%) of their 76 snaps.
DEFENSIVE ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Enagbare | 60 | 79 | 7/28% |
| Van Ness | 47 | 62 | 8/32% |
| Gary | 34 | 45 | |
| Cox | 9 | 12 | 9/36% |
| Mosby | 21/84% |
Enagbare had 5 tackles (2 solo), 2 tackles for loss and 1 Quarterback Hit. He had a 6.33% pressure rate. PFF credited him with 3 stops but dinged him for a missed tackle. He still got an initial grade of 75.0. Van Ness had 6 tackles (4 solo) and a QB hit. He also had a 6.3% pressure rate (1 hurry in 16 pass rushing chances). PFF credited Van Ness with 5 stops and gave him an initial grade of 89.6. I thought he had a good game, but not that good. Gary had 1 assisted tackle and a QB hit. He had a 7.1% pressure rate and 1 run stop. Cox had no statistics.
The opposing quarterback passed for only 107 yards. Baltimore's plan was to make sure their backup quarterback did not lose the game and run the ball down Green Bay's throat. None of the Edge guys are going to have great pass rushing stats. Enagbare had 2 nice plays against the run and he was solid for the most part. Van Ness also had a couple of plays. Gary has been demoted to Edge #3. Gary previously had the reputation of being a hard worker but the Packers are using him on fewer snaps than they used to. Gary has not put up any sacks lately but his pressure rate over the last 3 or 4 games had been fine.
LINEBACKERS:
| Players | Snaps | % | STs |
| Cooper | 76 | 100 | 10/40%% |
| Walker | 76 | 100 | 7/28% |
| McDuffie | 48 | 63 | 21/84% |
| Hopper | 2 | 3 | 14/56% |
Walker had 12 tackles (6 solo) with a sack. He allowed 5 of 6 passes to be completed for 37 yards (92 passer rating). Cooper had 10 tackles (4 solo). He allowed 1 of 2 passes to be completed for zero yards (56 passer rating). PFF gave Cooper an initial grade of 71.3. McDuffie had 6 tackles (5 solo) and another tackle on special teams. He allowed both targets to be completed for 16 yards (100 passer rating). Hopper had no statistics.
DEFENSIVE BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| McKinney | 76 | 100 | 12/48% |
| Nixon | 74 | 97 | 7/28% |
| Valentine | 59 | 78 | 2/8% |
| Williams | 53 | 70 | 3/12% |
| Bullard | 38 | 50 | 5/20% |
| Hobbs | 10 | 13 | 4/16% |
| Hadden | 6 | 8 | 10/40% |
| Olapado | 14/56% | ||
| Anderson | 2/8% |
McKinney had 13 tackles (6 solo), with too many of them well downfield. He also got taken for a ride a few times while trying to tackle Derrick Henry. He missed a tackle on the quarterback draw that allowed Huntley to gain 5 extra yards. Nixon had 7 tackles (3 solo) with 1 pass defensed. He allowed 4 of 5 passes to be completed for 17 yards, a 80.8 passer rating. Evan Williams had 5 tackles (4 solo). He allowed his only target to be completed for 8 yards (100 passer rating). Bullard had 4 tackles (3 solo). He allowed one pass to be completed for 6 yards (91.7 passer rating). Valentine and Hadden each had 1 assisted tackle. Hobbs had no tackles but he had a pass defensed. Valentine allowed 2 of 2 passes to be completed for 22 yards (154.2 passer rating).
Everyone had missed tackles and trouble getting Henry on the ground, and no one had more trouble than Valentine. The Packers put in Hobbs for Valentine but he got hurt. Then then tried Hadden at CB but he got hurt. They had already tried getting Bullard on the field opposite McKinney to counter the Ravens heavy looks, but when Hobbs went down Bulard moved to the slot and Williams played safety.
SPECIAL TEAMS:
Whelan never had to punt. McManus made all 3 of his extra points and his only field goal, which was a short chip shot.
All statistics nflgsis or pro football focus.
Photo courtesy of tork Mason, USA Today Network.
OL: 5.04
RB: 1.09
TE: 1.21
WR: 2.66
DT: 2.21
DE: 1.97
LB: 2.66 (quite high)
DB: 4.16 (record low for the Packers this season)
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Comments (71)
Thegreatreynoldo
December 28, 2025 at 05:31 am
Baltimore played 1.82 WRs per snap (Flowers 52/68%), Bateman (40/53%), Walker (20/26%), Hopkins (19/25%), and Wester (7/9%). That is 138 snaps out of a possible 76 plays.
The 300 pound fullback (Patrick Ricard) played full back and was the lead blocker for a whopping 43 plays (57% of plays). He looks pretty svelte for 300 pounds and he moved better than one would expect. He has been around for quite a while in the NFL and plays 300 to 650 snaps most years. He did some damage.
I know many are suggesting that teams will follow this blueprint, and I am sure that many teams will try to go that route. But how many teams have a 300 pound TE like Washington or this 300 pound FB who moves really quite well? Chicago got the better of the run defense (5.8 yards per carry in week 16, 5.0 per carry by the RBs) but GB held them down to 4.3 yards per carry in week 14. True, a few just have really good offensive lines.
GB is locked into the 7th seed. Next week does not matter to GB. Right now, Chicago is the #2 seed so if things don't change they would be GB's opponent in the first round of the playoffs. I'd take that challenge. I don't know that GB has it in them to win 4 straight playoff games, but beating the bears seems both possible and highly desirable.
Guam
December 28, 2025 at 08:32 am
"....but beating the Bears seems both possible and highly desirable."
After the last three games I am not sure how possible it is to beat the Bears. I think it is more likely the Packers end the year on a five game losing streak, losing to the Vikings and the Bears to end the season. I just don't see enough fight in this team or intelligence from the coaching staff.
dobber
December 28, 2025 at 10:26 am
The Packers need to do something to establish some momentum if they're going to beat the Bears, but I'm pretty sure LaF will play the second team v. the Vikings next week.
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 05:42 pm
Guam—I’m absolutely certain we will beat the bears. It will be much like the last game but we win.
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 10:00 am
I wish LaFleur would grasp the idea of having a truly effective lead blocker. He never has. He wants jacks of all trades. Yet he wants an offense that can do exactly what the Ravens did. If even Henry benefits, how much might our RBs.
dobber
December 28, 2025 at 10:23 am
Not everyone has a 300-lb fullback to blow open holes. Very few teams employ true lead blockers on a regular basis anymore.
Baltimore came in fully committed to pounding the rock, letting Henry eat, and keeping Huntley in a manager mode, and the Packers could do nothing to stop them.
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 04:55 pm
Yet we have a commitment to running the ball and have TEs we play to do just that. The difference is they don’t do it well. Or anything well really. That takes up the same amount if ristet space with less benefit, which was my point.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:32 pm
I was hoping AJ Dillon might be good in that role if he simply isn't fast enough to be a RB. I'm not sure that his problem is he's just too nice and isn't violent enough for either position, but I have no other explanation. I enjoyed seeing him improve his pass catching.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:16 pm
In a season when we can't count on our team, we can still count on TGR! Thank you for your service o7
PatrickGB
December 28, 2025 at 05:44 am
Thanks! Nice breakdown
tobinrote
December 28, 2025 at 06:22 am
an impermissible thought: Keep Willis as the qb, and trade Love and most of his contract to Miami or Cleveland. Willis is more accurate, more mobile, than Love and just makes plays. Love is not bad but he is frustratingly middle tier as a qb. but this game was just a disgrace on the D side. this roster has real problems in the trenches and at cb.
barutanseijin
December 28, 2025 at 09:04 am
Trade Love, keep Willis? Never heard that before.
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 10:12 am
After last night I think it’s becoming increasingly clear that Willis is a better fit for LaFleur’s preferred O than Love (or Rodgers), as a type not just Willis himself. Willis almost removes the need for a Lloyd type. It’s a shame we’ve not used the 6’1 225 guy with sub 4.4 speed more imaginatively.
Since we probably can’t move on from Love practically, this to me only reinforces the need to move on from LaFleur. We can’t have a HC and O that does not or can’t dovetail with the strengths of a QB we’ve invested in so heavily and who should be entering his prime. That would be completely and utterly indefensible.
We made our choice with Love, now we need to back that with an appropriate offense. We will have to watch Willis become a Star elsewhere, but we need to do everything possible to do the same for Love. That’s means parting with LaFleur, his offensive coaches and this type of O.
I think Love will blossom in a more spread O, just as I think Willis will in this type of O elsewhere. What we can’t have is no Willis and Love constrained against type. It’s no accident that his best games are when he’s given the most freedom. I think Golden, Watson, Reed and Kraft will too. Those are our strengths on O for the future.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:35 pm
#2's 40 time is 4.37. (By contrast #9 is 4.36)
dobber
December 29, 2025 at 09:49 am
"I think Love will blossom in a more spread O, just as I think Willis will in this type of O elsewhere. "
The Packers' short-term hopes rely on turning games into track meets.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:33 pm
Lol
dobber
December 29, 2025 at 09:45 am
Love's in GB at least one more year. The Packers' cap can't handle letting him go by cut or trade even post June 1.
Even if they wanted to move to Willis, they'd have to carry both contracts for at least a year and likely a contentious QB room.
Doofapotamus
December 28, 2025 at 06:31 am
Man, I had really high hopes for Valentine this year. The dude has done absolutely nothing but miss tackles, allow easy completions without contesting the receiver and dropped interceptions. Pitiful that GB had to send two different CB's out there and BOTH of them got hurt trying to fill in for him so they were stuck playing him outside. The defense has completely fallen off the rails.
packerbackerjim
December 28, 2025 at 08:44 am
I wish someone (DB position coach) could explain why Valentine can spectacularly whiff on tackles at least once a game. And why someone would think he is NFL caliber.
HawkPacker
December 28, 2025 at 09:12 am
Scary thing is that he is the best we got~!
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 10:17 am
Valentine can cover, if he’s allowed to play tight, preferably man, but not necessarily. That’s a rare skill. All he had to do was become more physical and at least hold up adequately near the line. He clearly doesn’t want it enough.
However, that’s exacerbated when Hafley had him play off, precisely because he’s not physical. He needs to be played to stop the catch not the runner. Hafley prefers the less talented coverage types who limit plays more than they contest them and excel facing the QB not tracking receivers. Valentine is a fish out of water, as was Stokes.
jannesbjornson
December 28, 2025 at 01:10 pm
WE discussed this very issue prior to the 2025 Draft and throughout Summer Session. The Hobbs signing was dismissed from day one.
dobber
December 29, 2025 at 09:39 am
The Packers can't cut everyone, but between injuries and underperformance/fit I have a feeling Hobbs won't be back in 2026. They'll be drafting at least two CB this spring.
jannesbjornson
December 29, 2025 at 10:51 am
A year too late.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:37 pm
Can't say "Valentine has done absolutely nothing except"
CAN say that about lately, but this season there have also been times he's played well.
Melchy
December 28, 2025 at 06:33 am
I love the Pack as much as anybody but they are TOAST.Giving up 40+ points against a back up QB at home is AWFUL.After they go one & done in the playoffs get rid of Lafluer & Hafley to start.They have more holes than we thought & we better hope Kraft & Parsons come back the same
Thegreatreynoldo
December 28, 2025 at 07:57 am
I advocated all year for moving Hobbs to slot and inserting Valentine at perimeter or boundary CB. I dunno, Bullard has improved as the slot CB and that leaves SS for Evan Williams. I thought Valentine could cover. I don't care too much if the CB can't tackle if they can cover. It is a balancing act for me.
I thought the DTs were bad with Kenny Clark. I never understood how Hafley was getting off the field with this group. Even if there have been recent issues, I still don't understand how it worked earlier this year.
I also was really impressed when I watched Matthew Golden during training camp. I loved how he snatched the ball out of the air with his hands. I thought GB might get 650 to 800 yards out of him as a rookie. Turns out he does run the right route or to the right depth or make the right adjustment: in short, He isn't where he is expected. Still, the talent is evident.
HawkPacker
December 28, 2025 at 09:13 am
TGR, your last paragraph, should it be doesn't rather than does?
LambeauPlain
December 28, 2025 at 11:20 am
A CB who cannot tackle playing football is an explosive play about to happen with the fuse lit. Maybe if your name is Deon Sanders you can play winning football just playing coverage...but Valentine is what he is...an average coverage DB and a ridiculously timid tackler. That is not a recipe for playing winning football.
He's is what he is now. He has hit his ceiling and is sliding back to the floor. Hafley and Ainsley are both DB coaches by trade and it is alarming how the CB room has regressed.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:41 pm
I don't think it's alarming, those who benefitted most from #1 were the CBs.
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 05:46 pm
How many times have we seen backup qbs play like Montana. Geesh!
dobber
December 29, 2025 at 10:20 am
They gave up 40+ points to Derrick Henry.
Huntley was a side-show.
NFLfan
December 28, 2025 at 07:15 am
Hafley is gone, so is Willis.
Packer fans and Policy have to get honest and drop the fantasy. Gute built those trenches/CB-room and they are weak. I've seen no accountability or apologies.
The OL, CB-room and DL are completely ineffective. Nixon and Valentine were never CB 1's, LVN and Gary are below average, Wyatt is good but often out. Not fair to ask Parsons to cover-up the DL and CB room glaring deficiencies.
This mess will take several years to fix because of expense and low Cap and Gutekunst is not the person to do it.
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 05:49 pm
Who’s gonna hire Hafley as a head coach?
bleedgreen
December 28, 2025 at 10:10 pm
From what I have now seen from hafley I wouldn't want him as head coach. Wasn't great with BC either.
dobber
December 29, 2025 at 09:29 am
I think teams and GMs that are enamored with Hafley will shrug off the end of this season as losing Parsons. There aren't a lot of rising coordinators who seem to be leading candidates this year, so Hafley will get interviews. The HC has to be a leader and has to surround himself with the right people...he's gotta sell that.
dobber
December 28, 2025 at 07:53 am
"He was intercepted when Bo Melton tipped a pass that was thrown right to Melton and hit both of his hands. That was a drop on Melton's part."
I had to laugh at that deadpan.
Thanks, TGR!
Needed that at this stage.
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 10:25 am
I do not know what happened there. Perhaps a total lack of familiarity and thus timing? Regardless, that’s totally on Melton who seemed completely startled.
Unfortunately though, not one of Tunes throws after was impressive in terms of spiral, velocity or accuracy. The last may well be lack of any practice, the first two are worrying though. His best throw looked to be the one Melton essentially parried up into the air.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:49 pm
It looked to me like Melton completely did not expect that ball arriving when it did. I'd be surprised if they ever practiced that route being thrown that fast. The throw was beyond "crisp."
LuvPack
December 29, 2025 at 04:38 pm
Maybe Bo forgot he wasn't on D!
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:46 pm
That was almost a Favre ball. Significantly too hard and fast for the distance. Sure, any WR should still catch it but ...
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 05:50 pm
Yes—that’s on Melton.
Guam
December 28, 2025 at 08:38 am
Gary has become a major disappointment during the back half of this season. TGR hit the nail on the head when he said Gary used to be known as a hard worker. I have seen Gary pull up on too many chases this year and coast to the end of the play. It was his work ethic that made him a pro bowler last year. If he has lost that, he is not worth his current contract.
Unfortunately cutting him will net the Packers very little next year. He is due to make about $19.5MM in cash next year while cutting him would cost about $17MM writing off the signing bonus and prorations (according to Spotrac). The Pack would only net about $2.5MM in cap space. Either Gary recovers his work ethic or he is gone for the 2027 season, but he will be a Packer in 2026.
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 10:53 am
I think that they would have to designate him as a post June 1 cut. That could be done at any point. It would save take the dead money down to a little over 10 million.
The problem is, if Gary is gone, Van Ness doesn’t look like he will ever be a threat either. Minus Parsons when healthy, we’d have lost twice the amount of sacks the other DEs have combined. We don’t have a first round pick and even with saving on Gary, we don’t have the cap to sign a good veteran. Maybe Cox can step up (I was disappointed in how few snaps he got yesterday after bringing our best run defender per snap per pff last week).
Absent that though, we have no obviously credible route to improvement by subtracting Gary. That’s compounded by the mess at IDL. Wyatt aside (as and when he can return), we need to retool (and reshape) there too.
The last draft is going to bite us just as hard as the pick of Van Ness. Picking Golden gave us 2 slots. He’s talented but not ready and duplicative of Reed. Picking Williams (who might also be good eventually) was to waste a chance to pick a CB as much as the Golden pick cost us a chance to trade down for a shot at some very good DL.
Overall, we got a promising G (Belton) who might have been more already had the coaches not tried to force him to be a RT) and nothing of current value from the rest of the first 5 rounds. Even if healthy, Oliver would likely have been a situational rusher and STer. We have more from our 6th pick in the end than anyone else after Golden and Golden has only a few more yards and 2 less TDs than Wicks, who has been mostly injury hampered and was at best our 4th WR among the returners.
Looking back, that looks like a terrible draft for this year at least. For both the positions we failed to address and the players we did take. Sure, it’s too early, unless you Yale urgency seriously or go out and guillotine future cap and picks either a mega trade to get it done now at the cost of making it much harder by 2027.
stockholder
December 28, 2025 at 01:27 pm
IF A GUY DOESN'T EARN HIS PAY NOW.
HE WON'T EARN IT LATER IN THIS DEFENSE.
THE SAME MUST BE SAID FOR INJURED PLAYERS.
Eventually, the injuries take away a players window.
Younger, Stronger, faster.
Gary and Jenkins should be done as packers.
And instead of major changes this year.
Gute should hang onto those who "have" play time.
Mediocrity or not. It's time to pay Loyalty.
Where there is a will -
There is always a way.
dobber
December 29, 2025 at 09:34 am
"Mediocrity or not. It's time to pay Loyalty."
This is what makes your roster old, slow, and under talented.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 03:33 pm
#0 should be on the field at the same time as 9 & 11. There is no NFL rule against having two deep threats in on the same play, and Golden doesn't have the inability to track a ball thrown straight over his head that Watson does.
stockholder
December 28, 2025 at 06:00 pm
Driver, Jennings ,Nelson and Jones.
The Wrs are moving in the right direction.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:50 pm
I wonder if 52 simply decided this team is toast without #1 and stopped trying? Is he nursing an undisclosed injury?
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 05:59 pm
It’s a legit question.
stockholder
December 28, 2025 at 06:03 pm
I don't.
Usually it's a coaching problem.
If not nursing something.
advdj76
December 29, 2025 at 11:30 am
cutting Gary before june will save 10 mill, cutting him post june is saving 19 mill per overthecap
LuvPack
December 29, 2025 at 04:44 pm
Hopefully after the season ends, the 'true' Gary story will be told, as obviously something is out of sorts with 52!
HawkPacker
December 28, 2025 at 09:21 am
I thought about making this comment before reading TobinRote's and Guam's comments above.
Just how good is Willis? Is it a mistake to let him go? Do we really understand what we have with him? Since we have this CAP issue moving forward, does it make sense to trade Love and sign Willis? I have read that Willis will command(?) 5 to 8 million per year as a free agent. Should we sign him for 5 years at 8-10 million? We could trade Love for draft picks/players and take care of our CAP problem.
I have suggested trading Gary some weeks back and it was about 50/50 with the respondents of my comment at that time. Not sure on Guam's comment that he is seemingly locked in to GB for 2026. If not, let's trade him if so then dump him the following year. We are strong at the DE position with or without Gary next year so the time is right.
Okay everyone, how about some comments on this? You can downvote if you want, and I don't care, but you are not really telling me and everyone else your actual thoughts on this post. Thank you.
barutanseijin
December 28, 2025 at 09:56 am
I’m happy Willis did well, but those rainbows and fluttering passes make me nervous. How long would those work before better defenses start picking him off? As for his wheels, he’s already been banged up in relief action this season. How far could he go as a starter without getting sidelined?
And speaking of the cap, have you considered the cap hit on trading Love? For cap considerations alone it seems rather unlikely that the Packers would trade him.
The questions to ask about Gary are who would want him and why would they trade for him. In any case, the Packers won’t be getting much in return.
dobber
December 28, 2025 at 10:18 am
"Just how good is Willis? "
That's a good question. He took the throws that Baltimore gave him last night, but it's pretty clear that Baltimore was perfectly happy to let the Packers try to throw last night. They were playing run and receivers were running open all night, but you have to give Willis credit for making those throws (whether they fluttered or not).
Those two possessions the Packers gave away in the first half were huge...they allowed Baltimore to keep the run game at the center of what they were doing and not really ask Huntley to do more.
I think Love is still a year away from being tradable without seriously hampering the cap. I think even with a Jun 1 designation next year, he adds about 11M on to the 2026 cap.
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 10:59 am
Baltimore may have been happy to let us throw later (though I doubt the veracity of that till the 4th), but the first possession left their sideline looking stunned. Willis simply beat their coverage every time. That coverage isn’t good, admittedly. Their problem is not just passing themselves but their D and that showed. However, denigrating what Willis did through the air seems like a hollow attempt to feel better. The touch on some of his passes was extremely impressive. It’s also indicative that he hit receivers in stride.
dobber
December 28, 2025 at 07:56 pm
I was poking at someone else's comment re: fluttering passes.
Willis hit his guys.
They were open.
LambeauPlain
December 28, 2025 at 11:42 am
Last night was the most wide open the Packers receivers have been all year.
The Ravens sold out to stop the run vs the soft Packers OL and make them one dimensional. He gambled the 27th ranked Ravens Defense would be able to get a few stops...and give the ball back to their ground pounders.
It worked especially well against an unmotivated, unprepared team. They played like they had nothing to play for.
I don't know how you can effectively plan and practice for an opponent when most of your starters are "DNP or limited" and the team mostly does walk throughs all week.
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 06:04 pm
The reason we could pass on the Ravens is because their secondary is crappy. The game plan exposed it but our defense refused to do their part.
Guam
December 28, 2025 at 10:54 am
The problem is Love's contract. He will cost the Packers about $36MM in 2026 if they keep him and $48.5MM if they trade him (according to Spotrac). So they lose about $12.5MM in cap space if they trade Love. Add Willis's contract on top of that (say $10MM) and the Packers will be $22.5MM worse off cap wise in 2026 which is unworkable since they have virtually no cap space available in 2026.
From a purely player perspective, Willis may be as good as Love, but the finances are unworkable. Let Willis go and get a decent comp pick in 2027.
Regarding Gary, he can be traded in 2026 but you won't pick up much cap space and I doubt you would get more than a fourth rounder for him given the size of contract the acquiring team would have to take. Maybe that is enough or maybe Gary returns to 2024 form in 2026. I just don't know........
Guam
December 28, 2025 at 12:21 pm
The more I thought about the Gary situation, the more I am inclined to believe the Packers should keep him. Gary is a minimally adequate pass rusher as an edge, but he is a good run stuffing edge - probably the best run stuffing edge the Packers have. He is bigger than all of the other Packer edges and is not replaceable by the other, smaller Packer edges for run stuffing purposes.
The Packers had their good 2024 run stuffing defense gutted this year when they let Slaton go and traded Clark. Why would they further weaken their running stopping game by trading their best edge run stuffer for a net cap gain of $2.5MM and a day three draft pick (not nearly enough money or draft capital to replace the position)? I'm not crazy about Gary, but keeping him for at least one more year seems the better choice.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 28, 2025 at 02:52 pm
"We could trade Love for draft picks/players and take care of our CAP problem."
I think we'd still be on the hook for $99MM dead cap next season?
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 06:01 pm
If we’re gonna trade Love, and I’m not opposed. Let’s get Crosby from the Raiders.
The Max and Micah combo.
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 09:47 am
I don’t think the run blocking was at issue particularly. I think playing Jacobs was. As you point out, when we finally gave Wilson a chance he managed over 5 yards per carry. Jacobs managed 1. Had Wilson managed 5 yards on those first half runs the 4 and out likely doesn’t happen and the Ravens are under more pressure. Last week I think Wilson had about twice the YPC Jacobs did. This week was worse. How idiotic choice to play him was is compounded by the fact that it was visibly obvious he was running in molasses. Those are coaching choices that kill teams. That’s 2 weeks running.
Why is Golden out there for more snaps than Reed? It’s certainly not for his blocking. This week a different QB and still largely a non factor. Why is that and why is Reed not a key element in this O?
As to the D, I said at the draft, at cut downs and since that this DL group was implausibly light and we’d better hope no big power back is used to pound us between the tackles. After the Lions game I expressed relief that they didn’t just pound us with Montgomery, but we and everyone else knew that the Ravens would. Wyatt probably helps a little, but the 300 pound IDL guys are situational not starters. Our D just gets carried and carried some more. We are good against fast lighter runners but fatally flawed Sorry, but the philosophy is just fantasy.
I had hoped that Valentine would improve, but he’s again regressed physically. To compound that, we played off coverage that takes away the one thing he can do. Our CB room is a mess of flawed assumptions and lack of talent. Hafley yesterday again exacerbated that through his choices for at least the second game in a row. Gute however has now been called out. I’ve held off because there is much that he’s done that is good, but this roster has now been shown to indeed have fatal flaws where many thought it would. That’s on him.
This team is soft. The tackling was not impressive. The ILBs were not impressive. In fact, on D, pretty much nobody showed fire. Van Ness is on a level with Enagbare. Neither should be starting, Gary had fallen off the map. If he’s not injured, then that’s even more worrying. The Parsons trade looks like a great pickup in terms of the individual, but at a cost that can only have been justified on the basis of a deeply overestimated assessment of our DL (and ILB) talent.
This team was at home and again out motivated and manhandled. We are simply soft. We aren’t capable of winning physically and part of that appears to be the mental mindset and culture. This team isn’t backing into the playoffs, it’s being shoved in by the fact that the collapse of others came earlier. It’s a mess. Yesterday was, Willis, Doubs, Wilson and Watson aside, pathetic. Quite probably the first 3 of those won’t be Packers next year. Willis certainly won’t be. He was the one winner last night.
I hope Policy has already instructed an external agency to prepare a list of candidates. After yesterday, that starts with GM and getting a list of independently assessed HC candidates to give the new GM quality options to interview not just trust to his cronies.
This era is over. This team is flawed and at a dead end, we need to retool our IDL, DE and corner rooms. We need to scrap the notion that it’s worth resigning/relying on Walker, Van Ness, Gary or any cornerback on this roster. We need to completely change our culture as well and at least the bulk of our offensive coaching staff if we want to be anything other than a paper contender.
After yesterday we saw a lot of triumphant Bears trolls and gloaters. We also saw a QB who is head and shoulders better than Williams now and probably than he ever will be. 2 years older, faster, the same height and weight and much better from the pocket. In a sense, though they won’t see it, the joke is on them if we don’t just bumble on down the path of mediocrity that is the status quo. I hope Willis does not end up in the NFC. I will be quite comfortable if LaFleur is though. His teams are fodder not winners.
jannesbjornson
December 28, 2025 at 01:20 pm
Jacobs must have a significant per game bonus tied to his Contract. What other reason would he be on the field at less than 100%, nursing a bruised knee and risking further injury. The same logic applied to the Bear's game. Wilson was ready to roll.
dobber
December 29, 2025 at 10:17 am
About $30k per game.
LeotisHarris
December 28, 2025 at 01:45 pm
I can't disagree with anything you've written, CW, but I'm not giving up on this season. This collection of players has been so hot and cold, up and down and everywhere in between. Anything can happen. That's why they play the games. My gut tells me this will not end well.
GPG
Coldworld
December 28, 2025 at 02:38 pm
Get as healthy as possible. Ignore the Vikings game except to get as many fringe players time and as many banged up players a day off as possible. Go out in the playoffs, take off the brakes and let Love play like he did in late 2023 and tell Hafley to not worry about giving up big plays, but making them.
CanPackFan
December 28, 2025 at 12:05 pm
Gary is just taking money on false pretenses! Terrible contract, just like the contracts for Hobbs and Banks. We have no legitimate CBs. We had one in Rasul Douglas but I guess he peed in Gutes cornflakes and he "Had" to be traded. After the Parsons trade, Gutey decided to take the season off.
This team is structurally flawed, and culturally damaged! Keeping Gutes as GM is an insult to the fans and "owners" of this organization!
Starrbrite
December 28, 2025 at 05:58 pm
Let’s give Willis, Doubs, Hobbs, Banks, and Gary for Crosby.
Crosby wants out.
Go Packers!!!