Packers Snap Counts Vs. The Vikings: The JV Game
The Packers avoid embarrassment in a loss to the Vikings.

The Packers placed CB Kamel Hadden, CB Nate Hobbs, S Zayne Anderson, OL Donovan Jennings, WR Savion Williams, and DL Jordan Riley on the injured reserve. The Packers released Quinton Bohanna. That opened up 7 roster spots on the 53-man roster. The Packers claimed CB Trevon Diggs and DL Jonathan Ford off of waivers. They signed WR Jakobie Keeney-James, OC Lecitus Smith, QB Clayton Tune, S Jonathan Baldwin, CB/S Jaylin Simpson, and CB Shemar Bartholomew from the practice squad to the 53-man roster, thereby opening 6 spots on the practice squad.
The Packers elevated TE Drake Dabney and LB Jamon Johnson from the practice squad to the game-day active list. They signed S Mark Perry and Damien Martinez to the practice squad after placing TE McCallan Castles on the practice squad's injured reserve. The Packers signed OG Karsen Barnhart, CB Tyron Herring, and QB Desmond Ridder to the practice squad. The Packers have 2 open roster spots on the practice squad. There are no openings on the 53-man roster.
The injured inactive players were Dontayvion Wicks, RB Josh Jacobs, RT Zach Tom, and QB Malik Willis. The healthy scratches were Edge Rashan Gary, S McKinney, and LB Quay Walker.
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Belton | 51 | 100 | 1/4% |
| Morgan | 51 | 100 | 1/4% |
| Smith | 51 | 87 | |
| Monk | 51 | 87 | 1/4% |
| Kinnard | 51 | 87 | 4/16% |
| Walker | 1/4% | ||
| Banks | 1/4% | ||
| Rhyan | 1/4% |
The run blocking was not very good. Running up the middle produced rather poor results. I checked the play by play and found just two runs up the middle for 4 yards or more. Both gained 4 yards, and one of them came on 2nd and 28. There were far too many negative runs. I am surprised that Minnesota only had 8 tackles for loss. It became apparent early that LaFleur was trying to kill the clock from the opening gun. Tune only passed 11 times, and then usually because he had to pass. Again, checking reveals passes on 3rd and 24, 3rd and 10, 3rd and 9, 3rd and 5, and 1st and 10, in the first half. That put Tune in a poor situation and it put the offensive line in a bind, as well. The Packers' running backs gained 105 yards on 31 carries. If one does not count Wilson's mad scramble for negative 18, they gained 4.10 yards per carry.
The pass blocking was not good, either. The Packers allowed 4 sacks and 5 QB hits on 11 passing attempt and 13 drop backs. The good news is I did not think any of the lineman got physically whipped at the line or just was not quick enough. Minnesota just dialed up a blitz or even an unusual defense and the line did not know what to do. Pro Football Focus listed Minnesota with only 2 unblocked pass rushing snaps, but that seems low. PFF also listed only one offensive lineman with giving up a pressure, and that was Darian Kinnard for 1 hurry. One seems a bit low but it accords with my take that most of the Vikings' pressure came from favorable schemes.
PFF liked Belton (71.0 initial grade) and Jacob Monk (70.5). I did notice that Monk is quick off the snap. Did this game make you want to pay Sean Rhyan something like $8M AAV to be the center next year? Do you want to pay Rasheed Walker $20M AAV? Can they?
RUNNING BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Wilson | 28 | 55 | 4/17% |
| Brooks | 23 | 45 | 8/35% |
Chris Brooks gained 61 yards on 13 carries (4.69 yard average) with a long of 12. Brooks allowed a hurry. Wilson gained 44 yards on 18 carries, a 2.44-yard average, with a long of 12. If one removed the negative 18-yard run, his average improves to 3.65, which still is not good. Wilson is a big back who probably should have just fallen on the ball rather than trying to emulate Barry Sanders. PFF indicates that Wilson allowed a sack.
QUARTERBACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Tune | 51 | 100 |
Clayton Tune completed 6 of 11 (54.5%) passes for 34 yards (3.09 yards per attempt). He was sacked 4 times for 41 yards. His job was not to throw any interceptions or fumble the ball. Anything more would be gravy. Well, there was no gravy, and he did fumble, though it was recovered by the guy who allowed the free rusher to squash Tune. None of Tune's passes traveled more than 8 yards downfield in the air.
LaFleur presented Tune with a Herculean task and it turns out Tune is fully mortal. The Packers had a -0.79 EPA per pass play, which lands in the zero percentile. They had negative 7 net passing yards. I don't take too much from his performance other than than that no one (neither Monk or Tune) could set the protections pre-snap and he did not read the field well in the time he had to scan it.
I imagine the Packers will add a quarterback to their roster either via the draft or in free agency.
TIGHT ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Dabney | 45 | 88 | 9/39% |
| Whyle | 37 | 73 | 13/57% |
| Musgrave | 2 | 4 |
Whyle caught 1 pass for 4 yards and Drake Dabney caught 1 of 2 for 3 yards. PFF assigned the sack to Dabney but I don't think tight ends not named Kittle or Marcedes Lewis should be blocking Dallas Turner one on one unless it is a quick throw. It did not look like it had occurred to Dabney to block Turner until it was far too late. Dabney alertly fell on the fumble.
WIDE RECEIVERS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Golden | 51 | 100 | |
| Keeny-James | 48 | 94 | 9/39% |
| Melton | 13 | 25 | 9/39% |
| Reed | 8 | 16 |
Golden played every snap and caught 1 of 3 targets for 8 yards. He dropped 2 passes. Maybe I jinxed him after writing that Golden should have been on the hands team for the onside kick. Keeny-James caught both of his targets for 15 yards. Melton did not have any receptions and was only targeted once. Melton left the game but reports are that he will be fine. That forced Reed to play. He got no targets - maybe by design. Other than writing that receivers have to catch passes that hit their hands, I don't think the game plan leaves a lot of avenues for discussion.
DEFENSIVE TACKLES:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Brinson | 47 | 70 | 4/17% |
| Stackhouse | 45 | 67 | 4/17% |
| Ford | 30 | 45 | |
| Wooden | 5 | 7 | |
| Brooks | 1/4% |
The defensive line looked much stouter than expected, and they did that while playing 1.89 defensive tackles per play on average. I note that the Vikings offensive line is not great. They played Justin Skule ($2M/year) at left tackle and Michael Jurgens ( a 7th round pick in the 2024 draft with 242 snaps, all this season) at center. Skule is having a decent year. Jurgens is probably the fish, the below average player. They played Will Fries at right guard: Fries and Aaron Banks are the free agent offensive guard I looked at last offseason but decided they both wanted too much money. Fries got $17.5M and he has been as average as average can be. He has been healthy. Their right tackle, Brian O'Neill, is good and he played. The Vikings gained 137 yards on 31 carries, a 4.42-yard average. Minnesota finished at -0.10 EPA per rush. The Packers were at -0.12 EPA. The line got some push at times.
Jonathan Ford had 2 solo tackles. Stackhouse had 2 assisted tackles and Brinson had 1 QB hit and one offsides penalty. PFF listed Ford with a run stop and Stackhouse with 2 missed tackles and a run stop.
DEFENSIVE ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Sorrell | 52 | 78 | 9/39% |
| Cox | 44 | 66 | 9/39% |
| Oliver | 31 | 46 | 10/43% |
| Mosby | 15 | 22 | 18/78% |
| Enagbare | 8/35% |
Sorrell had 8 tackles (5 solo), 1 tackle for loss and 1 sack. He had 3 pressures (2 hurries and a sack) in 25 pass rushing snaps, a decent 12% pressure rate. PFF credited him with 4stops but dinged him for a missed tackle. He allowed 1 reception on 1 target to be completed for 6 yards, a 91 passer rating. Cox had 2 tackles (1 solo), 3 QB hits, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, and a tackle for loss. PFF listed him with no run stops and 1 missed tackle. Cox did have 6 pressures (3 hurries, 2 QB hits, 1 sack) on 26 pass rushing snaps, good for an excellent 23.1% pressure rate. Oliver had 1 solo tackle, 1 tackle for loss, and 2 QB hits. PFF credited Oliver with 2 pressures (both QB hits) on 17 pass rushing snaps, an 11.8% pressure rate, about the same as Sorrell's pressure rate. Oliver had a missed tackle. Oliver dropped into coverage but was not targeted. Mosby had no conventional statistics. PFF credited him with 2 hurries on 6 pass rushing chances, a 33% pressure rate.
This was an encouraging performance. The Packers won't pass up an Edge prospect in the draft if he is good, but they might look elsewhere.
LINEBACKERS:
| Players | Snaps | % | STs |
| Hopper | 67 | 100 | 18/78% |
| Johnson | 67 | 100 | 14/61% |
| McDuffie | 26 | 39 | 12/52% |
Johnson had 10 tackles (3 solo) with a pass defensed. He had 1 stop. He allowed 6 of 8 passes for 86 yards (109 passer rating). Hopper had 5 tackles (1 solo). He had 2 stops and a missed tackle. He allowed 1 of 2 passes to be completed for 18 yards (81 passer rating). More importantly, he played the mike position in the absence of Quay Walker. Hopper looked pretty good in his audition to the Mike backer in 2026. Since Quay Walker will be a free agent, the Packers have a decision: pay Quay $12M to $15M or so per year, draft a replacement, or hope for internal development. McDuffie had 5 tackles (4 solo). PFF listed him with 3 stops including a tackle for loss/no gain. He allowed 1 reception on 1 target to be completed for 12 yards (112 passer rating). PFF gave McDuffie an initial grade of 78.4.
The Packers only had 3 linebackers active. I wonder if Oliver or Sorrell might have taken a handful of snaps at off the ball linebacker had there been an injury.
DEFENSIVE BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Olapado | 66 | 99 | 22/96% |
| Baldwin | 66 | 99 | 14/61% |
| Simpson | 62 | 93 | 9/39% |
| Bartholomew | 34 | 51 | 11/48% |
| Diggs | 33 | 49 | 2/9% |
| Williams | 21 | 31 | 8/35% |
| Bullard | 21 | 31 | |
| Nixon | 5 | 7 | |
| Valentine | 1/4% |
Jaylin Simpson had 8 tackles (5 solo). He allowed 4 of 7 targets to be completed for 52 yards, an 80.7 passer rating. Jonathan Baldwin had 7 tackles (4 solo). He allowed both of his targets to be completed for 27 yards (118 passer rating). PFF credited him with a run stop and a tackle for loss/no gain. Olopado had 5 tackles (4 solo) with 1 pass defensed. He had a run stop per PFF and a missed tackle. He allowed 4 of 4 passes to be completed for 33 yards, a 101 passer rating. Bullard had 3 tackles (1 solo). He was not targeted. Evan Williams had 3 assisted tackles. He no pressures but only 1 pass rush snap. He was not targeted.
Justin Jefferson is the only Viking who hurt the Packers (8/11 for 101 yards). Jordan Addison (610 yards) needs a change of scenery. I imagine the Vikings will pick up his 5th year option for $17.5M
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SPECIAL TEAMS:
Whelan punted 8 times for 431 yards with a net average of 53. He placed 5 inside the 20 and had 1 touchback. He flipped the field at times. McManus made a short field goal at the end of the game. LaFleur did not want any issues and put the number one field goal unit on the field.
That is why Rasheed Walker, Banks and Rhyan each have 1 snap.
All statistics nflgsis or pro football focus.
Photo courtesy of Mark Hoffman, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel/USA Today Network.
OL: 5.00
RB: 1.00
TE: 1.65 (why such a high number given who is available?)
WR: 2.35
DT: 1.90
DE: 2.12
LB: 2.39
DB: 4.60
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Comments (71)
jvole
January 05, 2026 at 05:50 am
As a talent evaluation exercise....My takeaways--there is no reason to retain Gary as Sorrell, Cox, and Oliver can provide as much if not more production. Morgan is still a huge question mark, and so Walker might need to be resigned. Simpson and Olapado made some encouraging plays but JJ McCarthy stinks so its hard to say what their true value might be.
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 09:29 am
You understand that releasing or trading Gary would result in $17M in dead money? Have any of the guys you mentioned even shown that they can survive a full season?
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 11:59 am
That's $17M in dead money from his $28M cap hit against $11M in newly available cap room (and more in 2027) on a cut/trade.
I'm not advocating letting Gary go at this stage, but you have to ask what you can do with $11M in cap space in '26.
jvole
January 05, 2026 at 12:30 pm
You do realize that if they are not going to cut the other three guys (Sorrel, Cox, Oliver) then whatever gain in salary cap that they get is a net gain. As long as they get the same production. And I'd bet dollars to donuts that they get Gary's production or better. Sadly, i think Gary is winding down.
Thegreatreynoldo
January 05, 2026 at 06:02 am
MN's defense was 10th in points allowed and 5th in yards allowed prior to playing GB. Those rankings might improve after allowing just 121 yards and 3 points. Their personnel is a little old and they have Flores, but it is pretty decent personnel. fun fact: Eric Wilson, the LB who left GB, has 6.5 sacks and 13 QB hits. Nice to play for Flores. With regard to the possible auditions that just happened:
LT: I think they will trot Jordan Morgan out at LT and wave bye to Rasheed.
LG: Aaron Banks returns. Yes, a release gets GB $4.6M in cap savings, but he was hurt all year. He showed glimmers of the run blocker he was in SF. I think they trot him out another year and then reassess.
C:: I don't know. They will certainly draft two or more OL, probably one will be an IOL. How cheap is rhyan? I think he is >$5M and less than $9M. I'd lean draft and internal development. Jenkins is a goner.
TE: GB will bring in some TEs. Maybe draft since TEs can be found on day 3.
WR: Say bye to Doubs. They probably will not do much with WR.
RB: GB tries to sign Brooks for $2M or less. Ditto for Wilson,but they won't match any really high number with Lloyd allegedly on the roster.
QB: Wave bye to Willis. For those who want to trade Love and keep Willis, this is the last year that is remotely possible. Love has an option for $39M and GB is only going to account for $7.9M of it on the 2026 salary cap. That means his dead money increases by $32M when the option is paid March 18th. Just for fun, I think Willis gets more than $10M. I think it depends on the structure and guarantee. If he gets more, good for him and for GB.
DL: Despite this encouraging game, GB drafts a run stuffing IDL if one is there. They don't have any IDL who is good against the run. Wooden is the closest to being average, and he wears down. Wyatt is less than average against the run and keeps getting injured. He played 379 snaps in 10 games: he is a pass rush specialist. Brook is really bad against the run.
Edge: Sorrell is the media darling. Cox had the most pressures but also had the least well-rounded stats. I think they like the Edge room with Parsons, LVN, Sorrell and Oliver, Cox, and Mosby as a special-teamer. Gary is a sure fire cap casualty. Enagbare could get more money than some think. Spotrac has him at $6M AAV, but maybe $8.5M. I like Enagbare and I like his probable cost, but I think he creates a log jam at Edge.
LB: I can't reach an objective state. I don't think much of Quay. I don't want to pay him. I thought Hopper looked okay. I thought Jamon Johnson was less so but perhaps serviceable.
CB: GB will be on the lookout for any CBs out there. I don't think Nixon, Valentine, and Hobbs if put in as the slot CB in passing situations is a bad room at all. But Nixon will be in a contract year and the coaches don't seem to like Valentine.
S: That room is fine.
GB probably only spends on their own free agents. They probably try to keep the additional cap charges down in the $10M to $12M range, meaning the AAV could be $15M to $20M (half to two thirds of AAV). Maybe Rhyan and the RBs, or Quay and little else, or some other combination.
T7Steve
January 05, 2026 at 06:38 am
CB: What do you think the plan will be for Diggs? He's better than just depth for the playoff game/s.
Thegreatreynoldo
January 05, 2026 at 06:45 am
I am surprised by how well he played. PFF had him with 1 reception on 2 targets for 2 yards in 30 snaps.
If they brought him back, he would be an outside CB, either backing up Nixon/Valentine or displacing one of them, probably Valentine. That would allow Hobbs to be the slot CB in obvious passing downs with Bullard at slot on the other downs. Hobbs would be the part time slot and nickel back. $12M is a lot for that, but at least Hobbs is pretty good in that role. And of course, Hobbs would be a backup perimeter CB. I think the jury is out on Hobbs, too. I think he is better and more physical than he has played so far, (by which I mean he is average or a bit better).
Yeah, depends on money and how well Diggs plays. There are also some off the field issues I know little about. I have no opinion since I think JJ McCarthy stinks.
T7Steve
January 05, 2026 at 06:50 am
Didn't he help in some run support and tackle a tight end for someone else?
Thegreatreynoldo
January 05, 2026 at 07:07 am
Yes he did. he had 2 solo tackles and one he put a nice shoulder into a guy to bring him down.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 10:24 am
I think they will try to keep Diggs. If he plays well next week though, that may be difficult cap wise. The question with Diggs is can he stay healthy as much as whether he can recover his pre injury form. It may suit both sides to do a Watson type deal for a year, if we are lucky (and he plays well). He was an upgrade yesterday, and is still fairly young.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 12:04 pm
Hard to say.
Diggs has 3 years left on his deal with high cash values, relatively speaking. If they keep him, the Packers might want to move some of his 2026 compensation into bonus to save some cash. I would guess Diggs would be much more interested in getting on the open market than accepting a two-year (Watson-type) deal with limited guarantees.
Most of the speculation when Diggs hit the market was that if a playoff team claimed him, they would likely cut him after the season to clear him off the books.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 12:37 pm
If Diggs plays lights out in the playoffs (and gets enough chance) then maybe, as I said, he’s out of our reach. However, I think it’s more likely he’d welcome a chance to play a year and then be unfettered contractually and still young enough to get a second massive contract if he plays well.
He’s not been at his best this year or consistently healthy. It would need to be a winter renegotiation, but a clean season on a decent team he can start on and free agency after may be attractive to him. Not too dissimilar to Watson’s likely view when he signed, for one more year.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:51 pm
I actually thought Baldwin played pretty well, all things considered. He was someone I liked as a UDFA and he got a chance to play. Maybe he gets a chance to be that 5th S and STs guy next year.
"I have no opinion since I think JJ McCarthy stinks.'
I think he was clearly still hurting yesterday, and his early departure backs that up (which makes you wonder why he was playing a meaningless game.
That said, he's wildly up and down, and has moved from "Christian Ponder 2.0" to "a poor man's Christian Ponder". ;)
He's holding that offense back at this stage, but Simpson and Baldwin held up just fine against that group of pass-catchers--all things considered--and played well in support against a run-heavy Vikings game plan.
HawkPacker
January 05, 2026 at 07:49 am
O Great one, do you think that Enagbare is gone based on your comment following?
'Enagbare could get more money than some think. Spotrac has him at $6M AAV, but maybe $8.5M. I like Enagbare and I like his probable cost, but I think he creates a log jam at Edge.'
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 10:27 am
Enagbare or Van Ness? Both have value, both play the run well, but neither show signs of being a serious threat to passers. You can play one of those types, not 2 ideally. Since October, we’ve been playing 3 with Gary’s slump. Yesterday suggests that more Cox and Sorrell would likely be better, and not much worse against the run.
Guam
January 05, 2026 at 08:02 am
Concur with almost all of your points TGR.
LT: I wonder if the Packers would swap Tom to LT and have Morgan play RT. I'm okay with Morgan at RT after the last few weeks, but would feel better about Tom having Love's blind side.
C: Still not sold on Monk. I hope Rhyan is cheap.
DT: The good news is run stuffers can often be found later in the draft.
Edge: Not sure what happened to Gary this year, but he has lost the hustle and effort that made him a pro-bowler last year. Given the size of his contract, yes he is a cap cut. I like that Cox, Sorrell and Oliver are more of the speedy, bendy type of pass rusher. I think Gute got enamored of the traditional big DE (Gary, LVN) for awhile and it hurt the Packer pass rush.
LB: I like Walker better than you do. His ability to diagnose plays has gotten better with time. They don't need to overpay him though.
CB: Diggs still has a pretty sizable contract for next year. Can they afford to keep him if he plays well during the postseason?
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 10:40 am
If I can keep Rhyan cheaply, I would, but Monk was head and shoulders better than I feared. He’s at least suggesting that he should be seriously competing on the 90.
If I can’t keep Rhyan, I’d bring back Smith cheaply—I think that is doable. He had a pretty good day I thought. He can also play C and has played some 6th OL previously. I would personally welcome Kinnard back cheaply too, but only if he’s treated as a G! He’s not a starting T.
Overall, I am much more positive about Morgan’s display yesterday. The biggest problem I saw was that they clearly haven’t played or practiced together as a group and it showed when Flores went movement heavy or overloaded a side. They seemed unready for the snap at times too.
LaFleur’s lack of game plan (or a plan involving a near total lack of intent to pass or use Tune’s legs) really put that Line in the worst possible position (and thus Tune too). Flores knew what was coming and could just sell out to blitz, stint and overload (frequently) with little fear of being attacked for it.
That for a line that was almost all either inexperienced back ups or out of position and had not practiced as a unit was asking them to do the impossible. So any assessment of their play had to be viewed with that caveat. For the most part, I see the problems as being recognition and coordination. Individually I was fairly encouraged live. An extra Christmas for Flores.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:30 pm
"If I can keep Rhyan cheaply, I would"
He's looked better than Jenkins, but I think it's really when they put Belton next to him that his play got better. There are some decent FA centers in this year's group, but many are 30 and some aren't likely to make it to market. He might be the best combo of cost, age, and ability for a team that needs to be frugal.
" I would personally welcome Kinnard back cheaply too, but only if he’s treated as a G! He’s not a starting T."
I think Kinnard is well-suited for the role he should have, which is mostly OL #6 or 7, and jumbo package specialist. His RFA probably lands him in the $3.5M range (first refusal) for '26, which might be too pricey. Packers probably need Glover or Williams to step up and fill that role.
"Overall, I am much more positive about Morgan’s display yesterday. "
Did he play well? Not really. Was he awful? Not really. All told I think your position here is about right. I will say that it seemed that in the second half the OL was getting some push and opening some holes in the run game, but the question will be how interested the Vikings were in playing at that point and how many of the Vikes' reserves were getting snaps (and lowering the level of competition from their 1s).
I'd go on to say that I understand LaF's ultra conservative game plan protected the offensive depth chart from injury, but it made it nearly impossible to judge the developmental status of several younger players (read: Golden) and made it hard to give players some opportunities to play.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 02:02 pm
Cheap may mean not tendering and just resigning (before or after the tender process). We have done that before. If it doesn’t work, then so be it. I do believe that the Eagles were right that Kinnard is a G and subsequent play has only reinforced that. Give him a chance if no one else does and save a draft picks where we can.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:41 pm
"DT: The good news is run stuffers can often be found later in the draft."
The Packers played mostly heavies at DT (Brinson, Ford, Stackhouse) and the Vikings didn't run crazy on them even after seeing what Baltimore did. They even got some push in the middle against McCarthy and Brosmer. Maybe that will impact the Packers' rotation going forward.
"Edge: Not sure what happened to Gary this year,...Given the size of his contract, yes he is a cap cut."
He's expensive to keep and expensive to replace. Supposedly Parsons' knee was a simple repair and those lead to rapid recoveries, and you can hope he'll be ready week 1, but you can't bank it, and they really won't be able judge that until he's well into his rehab. That's going to throw a serious wrench in how they deal with the DE position this off-season.
In my opinion the Packers miss Anthony Campanile. He might not have been the DL coach last year, but he was the run game coordinator and was lighting fires all over that defense.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 02:43 pm
Thumbs up for the Campanile point.
LuvPack
January 05, 2026 at 07:44 pm
Missing Campanile is an understatement! Comparing the Jags defense's stats in '24 and this year's - kinda 'worst to first' - facts don't lie!
Joster11
January 05, 2026 at 09:21 am
"with Lloyd allegedly on the roster"--LOL
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 09:44 am
I think you're on target with most of these personnel moves.
I'm not certain why you think Gary is a cap casualty. I mean, he's $17M in dead cap, but if we keep him for one more year,that number gets cut in half.
The biggest priority this offseason is going to be the Oline. Even if we retain Rhyan, we are once again in a position where an injury or two is going to put somebody on the field that isn't very good. As we saw yesterday, nothing good happens on offense unless people get blocked.
I also can see us getting a TE, because Kraft and Musgrave will both be in their contract year. Getting a quality TE helps our blocking, provides insurance against injury, and provides continuity in case we lose either of the TEs we have.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 11:36 am
Gary would cost us 8.5 million in dead cap and save 19 million or so if cut or traded with a post June 1 designation per OTC. I think that’s the only way it happens if he’s cut in particular.
That said, I’d first want to know more about what is going on. Is he carrying an injury like Clark wax last year? Is it a change in his role—what he’s being asked to do? The two halves of the season are so dramatically different in outcome/production that it seems likely that something changed. Of course that could be attitudinal, but I’m not just buying into that for lack of information.
Guam
January 05, 2026 at 12:15 pm
Spotrac has somewhat different numbers on Gary. He will cost about $19MM in cash in 2026 and have about a $17MM dead cap write off of bonus and restructures for a cap savings of $2MM with a March cut. A June 1 cut buys a lot more 2026 cap savings but only at the expense of 2027.
Fait question about the change in performance at mid-season. It was like two different players.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:14 pm
On the suggestion others have made that he's hiding an injury, all I can say is that the Packers haven't been managing his practice reps.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 01:43 pm
We don’t really know. We didn’t really know about Clark. There’s a difference between being hindered and at risk of not being able to go out there. It’s all guesswork: we don’t know. However, the stark divergence between halves is difficult to ignore and strongly suggests some factor unknown is in play.
Guam, I generally find OTC closer to the mark than Spotrac. If there a difference I go with OTC. I’m sure if I’m wrong, TGR will correct me though, and rightly, because it makes a big difference.
stockholder
January 05, 2026 at 10:29 am
LT- Rasheed Walker - Morgan is pathetic.
Walker will be cheaper in the long run
with more durability and Fight.
LG - Jenkins or Banks must go.
I’m all for dumping both.
TT dumped his guards. Gute should
Do what TT did.
C- Rhyan has a home at center.
I’d offer him exactly what the Jets gave Meyer.
(And since the OL are deep this year. Draft 2)
TE -1 Another Kraft please.
WR- Doubs wrote his ticket out of GB.
Still- If Love renegotiate’s his contract.
He might still be here next year.
RB- Gute will sign a Free Agent here.
QB- Willis should be signed before anyone.
He isn’t a long term answer for anyone.
5 mil for bench back-up and a nice 4 mil bonus.
Edge- Change is coming here.
I’d let the all go but parsons and Sorrell.
Re-drafing edge should happen.
LB- Pay Quay Walker -
#1 - His sideline to sideline ability.
Is needed yet.
Because Gary doesn’t have it anymore.
Cb - Keep Diggs. Dump Hobbs.
We must get out of bad contracts.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 11:45 am
Based on recent tackle contracts, Walker is going to get a lot of money that I don’t think we can afford. I say that being rather less down on him this year than some, such as Herman as well as some people here. He’s a consistently reliable starting LT and better than that in pass pro. He is going to get paid significantly.
So is Willis. Sorry, I’d love to keep him too, but he’s shown too much while he’s with us and he’s still young in QBrerms. I’d say I’d take him over 2 of the starters in our division today, certainly one. There are teams with much worse options than that and the draft doesn’t suggest many more. Willis is going to get a big contract even if not one as a designated starter—and I think he will be given that chance. Willis needs to capitalize now, and he will.
I suspect that you are storing up more things to beat Gute over the head with, but those two are not going to fly and, much as I’d like to keep both, we can’t post Parsons. I’m sure you’d trade Love of course, but that is next to Impossible cap-wise even if it had football merit.
stockholder
January 05, 2026 at 12:09 pm
You have to pay a LT to protect Love.
It's that simple.
There is too much being spent on this OL.
Make the cuts for Walker. Even Trades!
Willis.
The only way somebody pays Willis, is
to get him out of GB.
I hope he's smarter than that.
You must look at the costs to replace Willis.
IMO - Quay Walker will be in high demand.
And Gary will run to Detroit if they Ax him.
My problem with Gute; is his revolving door.
That will never lead to a SB.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 12:09 pm
Even with a full complement of draft picks, you can't cut everyone.
jaxpackfan
January 05, 2026 at 06:16 am
Feel sorry for all the fans (Packers and Vikings) that paid top dollar to attend a January version of a preseason game. What a disgrace.
Packerpasty
January 05, 2026 at 10:30 am
not angry at all that my cable went out...
T7Steve
January 05, 2026 at 06:47 am
"Do you want to pay Rasheed Walker $20M AAV? Can they?"
They're going to have to pay someone/some people who can actually improve the O-line. Anything else will just be treading water.
I hope Tom and all the 1s can play Saturday, but will there be a rust factor that will create miscues and penalties?
Even the Packers' radio announcers compared the roster for the Vikings game to the preseason so rest better help against a team that had to go all in on Sunday against a team trying (or inadvertently) to become our best friends
Thegreatreynoldo
January 05, 2026 at 07:38 am
Oh, I forgot Kinnard. He will be a RFA. He is interesting. He can play OG or OT. He might be better at OG. Not sure. And of course GB likes him as a 6th OL or a TE. $3,3M just for the right to match? IDK.
Signing Walker is just treading water while simultaneously making GB poorer. GB can't afford any OTs, OGs, CBs, ILBs, or Edge players who make the team better. Signing Quay is also treading water.
T7Steve
January 05, 2026 at 07:51 am
Seems like Quay is getting better and between him and Cooper are just alternating games where they show up since Parsons went down. He shouldn't expect top (Warner type) dollar, but his speed alone is worth allot and it seems Cooper is going through a sophomore slump, doesn't it?
Thegreatreynoldo
January 05, 2026 at 07:58 am
I thought Quay was getting better but then he had some bad games. I loved the way he manhandled some RBs who tried to block him on blitzes. But I just think overall he got worse. I don't want him back.
T7Steve
January 05, 2026 at 08:30 am
They both seem to be exposed in the passing game unless they're rushing the passer.
crayzpackfan
January 05, 2026 at 09:59 am
I'm not a huge fan of PFF, but Walker is often times a bottom feeder in their grading. My eye test doesn't have him as a bottom feeder, but I sure don't see him as a standout player who is irreplaceable. He hasn't shown me anything that would validate his first round pick status either. With all this said, I don't see this team suffering a loss if he is not on the team.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 10:52 am
I thought Hopper and Johnson looked just as good as Quay. Johnson of course was not the Mike, Hopoer was. Both looked more adept in coverage and both hit hard and often. Nothing spectacular, but a far better showing than anyone other than Cooper has made in recent weeks.
One week isn’t gospel; the sample is too small, but at this point I’m not seeing sufficient value in extending Walker. He’s not bad (last week he was), he’s not changing games though against run or pass. Hopper and Johnson should seriously challenge to start in base next year based upon yesterday. The Walker money would be better spent elsewhere, perhaps on Diggs.
In this League one can not pay heavily unless there is a significant upside in return. I do not see that with Walker over what we have. I see us having to pay Cooper soon. Even if this year hasn’t been as good as we hoped, he’s clearly our best iLB and he is where ILB money should be earmarked in future.
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 10:48 am
Specific to the Oline, this is who we already have under contract for next year.:
Travis Glover, who missed this year with injury.
Belton. He'll be in his 2nd year, he's a starter.
Tom. We inked him to a second contract so he never got close to FA
Morgan, in his 3rd year.
Banks.
Monk, in his 3rd year.
Jenkins....an expensive vet with an injury history.
John Williams?..
That's 8, already under contract for next year, and it's without resigning either Walker or Rhyan. Or releasing Jenkins.
IMO, the Packers should trade or release Jenkins, the team would save around $19M in salary and bonuses. That brings us down to 7.
That leaves us with a putative starting lineup of Morgan, Banks, Monk, Belton, Tom, backed up by Glover and Williams. To me, that looks like two big question marks backed up by bigger question marks.
How to fix: The team doesn't have a draft pick until #52. We could maybe get one solid FA on each side of the ball. Can we draft an OL at #52 who is good enough to start as a rookie and will stay mostly healthy? I'm not so sure.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 11:05 am
Based on preseason this year, Glover looked like he might be a viable RT. Rather like Morgan, he just looks more comfortable on the edge (though not as talented). I think he would have been our next RT up perhaps. With luck he will be our swing T or at least replace Kinnard as the depth RT. At LT i don’t rule out Brant Banks becoming a legitimate depth option.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 12:12 pm
They like Banks. When TEN signed him off the PS and then released him, the Packers jumped right back on him. Hoping he or someone like him can be a low-cost viable reserve.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 12:44 pm
He was quietly very good on the depth lines in summer. That is something that doesn’t guarantee anything. He needed weight room time I think, but he moves very well. Certainly I want to see more.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:07 pm
I think the Packers really need at least one of Glover or Williams to grow into a viable player(s) on the two-deep. As was said elsewhere, Kinnard has one more year of team control (RFA), and they have to ask whether they like him enough to pay him. I don't know if they have much choice.
They could be backed into a corner where they have no choice but to return Jenkins, but I think you're right in that his cap savings is what's going to financially drive their ability to maneuver this off-season.
C is the real issue that will be the crux of how this offseason goes. Good, playable IOL are often found in round 2 or 3. You've just got to ask whether you're willing to risk the OL on picking the right rookie or on the quality of the FA class. Based on what I've been reading, they aren't all that thrilled about paying Rhyan, and in year two Monk struggles to be active on game days.
I think the Packers might need to go looking for a C in free agency, and they'll need to draft at least one if not two OL.
x24
January 05, 2026 at 07:14 am
Oladapo
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 07:56 am
I thought he was active and looked pretty good, all things considered.
Part of the answer to the LB situation might be to draft/develop, play Hopper, and use someone like Oladapo--he's a lot like Melifonwu (can't spell his first name)--as a hybrid.
I'm hoping that given a likely shift in DC and personnel for next season, that DC will find ways to take advantage of Oladapo.
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 10:53 am
He's a good player, but so are the guys ahead of him. You can never have too many guys who can cover and tackle.
The pursuit of the magical hybrid linebacker/safety goes back a ways. I remember when it was Raven Greene.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 11:08 am
That’s really what Bullard is now.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 10:59 am
I thought Oladapo was all over the place. Love his effort, feel he might have done better statistically had he been able to play in one role all game. If Bullard can’t go next week, I’d line him up there. He’s another one who needs an off season wearing out a juggs machine though.
Like Hopper, Oladapo looks like a guy one should be finding a way to play. After yesterday I’d add ILB Johnson to that. This is good news for our future and potentially, our cap flexibility.
Lare
January 05, 2026 at 09:25 am
If the Packers are willing to pay people millions of dollars to stand on the sidelines and watch them lose games, I'm first in line for that job.
I'll even pat Policy, Gutekunst and MLF on the back for doing such a good job building an average team.
BuckyBadger
January 05, 2026 at 09:49 am
Average team? After they lose the LT, top EDGE player and best TE in football, yes they are average. With them they where a top contender.
If MLF was let go by Green Bay he would be the 1st coach hired. Some teams might even fire their current guy to get him.
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 10:58 am
The Packers are an average team, .500, when they turn it over. They are a below average team with two or more more turnovers.
When they don't turn it over, it's almost always a win.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 11:13 am
Maybe the Ravens? Their Head Coach fits all that but has a Super Bowl and they are seemingly moving on for very similar reasons. I’d be unphased if I woke up and LaFleur was HC at any division rival. Im not sure id feel that way about Harbaugh
Bitternotsour
January 05, 2026 at 12:19 pm
The only way LaFleur exits is someone offers us significant compensation for him. He did a swell job with Willis, and he can run a show. Flawed though he may be.
They were poised for a pretty great run prior to the injuries. Shit happens.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:12 pm
I don't disagree that Willis has played well, but I point to the fact that in his third week on the roster, he was starting and already looking good in back to back games. I give LaF credit for giving him good game plans and not messing him up, but I think he grew a lot on Tennessee's bench before coming to GB.
Coldworld
January 05, 2026 at 01:51 pm
He was here for a little over 2 weeks before he was pressed into action (traded August 26th, started Sept. 15) and that was spent feverishly learning the playbook generally and then getting him ready specifically in the week before, according to both Willis and LaFleur.
LaFleur didn’t change him, he did adapt his game plan and incorporate him well. Perhaps the best thing he’s done, but Willis was what the FO claimed they’d seen scouting, in fact almost certainly more than expected, when he arrived.
LeotisHarris
January 05, 2026 at 04:06 pm
I refuse to stay silent for this Sean Mannion erasure.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 09:15 pm
I have "Sean Mannion Erasure"s first two studio albums...you know, before the break up.
LeotisHarris
January 06, 2026 at 12:53 pm
Those are classics. Wish I hadn't sold all my vinyl in the 90s. I knew a guy who had a friend that had a bootleg cassette of "Rolling Right and Pump Fakin' " live from Shank Hall in Milwaukee.
Lare
January 05, 2026 at 03:59 pm
"They were poised for a pretty great run prior to the injuries. Shit happens."
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't think they were poised for a great run with this OL, DL, ST's and CB's. Average at best. But I can appreciate your optimism.
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 04:16 pm
I want to keep pointing out 'average'
When the team doesn't turn it over, it's nearly unbeatable.
When the team turns it over once, it's an AVERAGE team, about .500.
When the team turns it over more than once, it's just about always a loss.
I still think we're poised for a great run. Let's beat Chicago and then see what we're dealing with. .
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 04:03 pm
The new CEO, Policy, has given every indication he can that we're keeping LaFleur....and Gutekunst, and most of our current roster. We're going to try to improve and take another shot next year. We aren't going to tear it all down just to build it all up again. That would be stupid.
I suspect we just don't have enough healthy horses on the Oline to make this happen this year. If the blocking is there,then Love-Jacobs and the rest of the team can get this ball moving down the field without turning it over, but we're thin to the point that we could be playing with guys who can't get their man blocked.
So....we're going to have to get better on offense before next year. A better line.The rest of the places are set for another good run.
Starrbrite
January 05, 2026 at 09:41 pm
I absolutely agree, had it not been for the injuries, this team was a SB contender.
Tlatum21
January 05, 2026 at 12:36 pm
On defense, the Packers are weak up the middle against the run and a disaster at corner against the pass. So . . . Keep Diggs and go get another CB in the draft or free agency. Nixon and Valentine become subs or find new teams. Next, interior DL via same route(s), On offense, upgrade the O line anywhere and everywhere you can. What we have is (maybe) adequate, but nowhere near excellent. In this pass happy league, if you have an O line that can regularly block for the run, you put yourself in a position to win every week.
if it sounds like this all says "Let's get physical", you're hearing the music.
Maybe most important, make sure the next D coordinator you hire is as good as or better than Hafley, because he's likely getting a head coaching job. There's a guy named Dave Aranda at Baylor that might be someone to look at . . .
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:46 pm
The Packers have 6 draft picks next spring, and if that doesn't change, I wouldn't be surprised if they're all CBs, OLs, and DLs.
Leatherhead
January 05, 2026 at 04:26 pm
If you look to Gutekunst's history, he trades veterans for extra draft picks. Do you think he could do it again? And do we really have a guy that we could offer in trade?
I think our Dline is in better shape than it's being given credit for. At DE, we have Parsons and Gary and VanNess ; AT DT, we have Wynn and Brooks and Wooden. We have a future run stuffer in Stackhouse. That's not a bad group .
Lare
January 05, 2026 at 04:08 pm
"There's a guy named Dave Aranda at Baylor that might be someone to look at . . ."
Or Jim Leonard.
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 09:19 pm
Jim Leonhard has reportedly rebuffed LaFleur once.
Does he bark up that tree again?
dobber
January 05, 2026 at 01:47 pm
"TE: 1.65 (why such a high number given who is available?)"
Given Kinnard was playing RT, when they went heavy, they actually needed to play 2 TE?