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Packers Vs. Cowboys: First Impressions

My initial thoughts on the Packers - Cowboys game without the benefit of a re-watch.

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The Packers have been one of the best third-down defenses this season, but you wouldn't be able to tell by watching this game so far today.

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix has been less than impressive in 2017, and that's seemingly becoming a weekly saying.

No Kentrell Brice means Morgan Burnett has to swap back to his natural safety spot and Josh Jones comes to inside linebacker. Burnett's the reason the Packers are able to be so versatile there.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Davante Adams is playing in this game.

Dak Prescott's face up-close while he's running down the field makes me as uncomfortable as this third-down defense.

Rod Marinelli is sending an extra rusher against Aaron Rodgers today, and it's working. Offensive line has given up three sacks so far in the first half.

Worth noting that the Packers are 5-1 in games where Mason Crosby has missed an extra point. Since 2007, of course.

Just for the record, Quinten Rollins made a first-down saving tackle on the Cowboys' first possession of the second half and it was his biggest play all season.

I think Aaron Jones is RB1.

The Packers are completely flipping the T.O.P in this second half, and Aaron Jones is a huge part of that.

That's five receiving touchdowns in the last three games for Jordy Nelson, as the red zone maestro continues to do his thing.

Game-changer. That was the second pick-six of Damarious Randall's young career, and it's safe to say nobody on the Packers roster needed it more.

Field goal to tie the game is suddenly out of the equation; Packers can win the game here.

Is your heart thumping out of your chest? Mine certainly is.

What concussion? Davante Adams has two touchdowns today and the game-winner for the Packers.

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Rob_S's picture

it wasn't a powerful win. but it was a GREAT WIN !!!

Nick Perry's picture

Aaron Jones just might be the best Packers RB on the roster...Even with a healthy Monty.

Aaron Rodgers is absolutely amazing.

Can't wait to hear Shannon Sharpe give Skip Bayless the BLUES tomorrow.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

The only thing I want to see anyone give Bayless is a F U SuperBowl by Rodgers.

rdent's picture

Skip Bayless is CLUELESS.I can't stand watching that moron but yes I can't wait to see him eat crow! Great game. I'm glad I bit my tongue in the 1st half.

HankScorpio's picture

Nobody can possibly be as clueless as what he says leads someone to believe. It has to be an act that plays into the "at least they're talking about me" thing.

That's why I try to avoid talking about him, or even paying any attention to him.

And I just talked about him.

Back to not paying attention to him....

dobber's picture

Skip who?

GatorJason's picture

Moron SB predicted GB 35 Boys 27. Skippy went so far as to say his open dislike for Rodgers would motivate Aaron to have a big game against "his" team, especially without MLB Sean Lee. What a joke.

Shannon Sharpe predicted the same score but merely said Dallas secondary would not be able to stop Aaron and Green Bay receiving corps. He also liked the new kid who replaced Montgomery and said he was a major waiver wire pick-up in fantasy league.

Bearmeat's picture

Yep. Awesome win. SO. MUCH. FUN.

But NP - How about our defense.... Look man, I want them to be good. I just know they're not. This is how this team will have to win it all. Not much margin for error.

dobber's picture

The Packers just beat the only defense in the league that might be struggling more than they are, but for different reasons. Packers lack talent due to injury. Dallas lacks talent due to management.

Bearmeat's picture

No. The Packers lack talent too. Are you watching SNF? Look at the ferocity, speed and power of both of the defenses playing. Totally different level.

dobber's picture

Are you saying that the Packers lack the ability to be at least average when they're healthy? I don't think Dallas has that.

I'm not saying they're on par with KC or Houston.

Bearmeat's picture

Yes, I think at the VERY best, when healthy, GB could be an average defense. Unfortunately, in the real NFL world, no team is fully healthy often. As it is, we are bad.

And yes, I do think Dallas' D could be substantially improved by the end of the year. They've got young pieces in the secondary that have a lot of talent. We've got King (who is a nice prospect) HHCD (who has underachieved this year), House (who is mediocre) and a 30 year old Morgan Burnett. Hawkins is a wild card. Randall and Rollins, don't remind me....

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Burnett is 28, though he turns 29 in January. He is probably at his peak physically.

CAG123's picture

Man you know damn well Burnett isn’t 30 and King isn’t any more of a project then Jourdan Lewis or Awuzie are. Hell Heath is there version of Brice Butler a hard hitter that isn’t too reliable in coverage and Scandrick is just a guy kind of like Rollins. Randall does have 2 pick sixes to his credit and can make a play here and there. So with this said Packers defense has just as much chance to vastly different as the Cowboys if not better.

Bearmeat's picture

Fair.

Finwiz's picture

I disagree - the Packers DO have talent on defense.
The coaching of the defense is AWFUL, and nobody knows what they are doing from play to play, particularly in zone coverage.
This isn't about talent - it's about management.

Tundraboy's picture

Can't wait to hear his take with Sharpe.

Bearmeat's picture

You do know you are playing right into his schtick when you click on his links at all, right?

Just ignore the troll. Cut into his advertising revenue - that's the only way you'll be rid of him.

Nick Perry's picture

That's the rub!!! I've always said I refuse to give him the views for ratings but Sharpe is such a great S*** Talker it might be worth it. Someone said he picked the Packers though so if that's the case he'll gloat he was correct.

GOD I hate that guy.

dobber's picture

Skip is just another blowhard who yells a lot but says nothing.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I don't do anything related to Colin or Skip. Which means no Fox Game Day. The Dog Killa isn't helping either that case either.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Going into Dallas and winning with that OLine is a real accomplishment.

HankScorpio's picture

Especially given that Dallas came out loaded for bear. They had a chip on their shoulder both from losing last week at home to the Rams and the NFC playoff game last year. And really a string of losses to the Packers that had to sting.

HankScorpio's picture

Someone is going to have to explain to me when they switched the rule on the first down mark to the same as the goal line--where simply breaking the plane ends the play successfully.

I was under the impression that the ball carrier can give up the yardage to gain a first down and Zeke Elliot very clearly pulled that ball back to around the 19.5 before he was ruled down.

But who cares? Rodgers....

CJ Bauckham's picture

I too, wondered about this.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I wouldn't put it past the refs to have blown the rule on that one. I thought the only reason goal line is different is because the play is over once the ball crosses.

HankScorpio's picture

If it turns out they did blow the call (and I think they did), I'm glad they did. That would have probably ended the game without that incredible Packer TD drive. And that drive was really fun to watch.

rdent's picture

Refs were off ln this game, right off the start with that ridiculous call on Martinez.

The TKstinator's picture

Yes! That was the one we hated too!

Don Hutson's picture

Jerry Jones pays the refs well.

flackcatcher's picture

Refs lost control of the game early third quarter. A chippy game came close to turning nasty by the fourth. That's the first time I ever saw Aaron Rodgers looking like he wanted to punch somebody.

RobinsonDavis's picture

I saw it as Rodgers being very focused, but recognized the same thing flack. Aaron was edgy, recognizing he had lapses in his O-line, and some calls not going his way. He even called out Bennett when he continued to run his route off of the field and was involved in some scrape with a Cowboy. His competitive moxie was apparent, and was a huge difference in this game.

Flow49's picture

I had the exact same thoughts. Questionable call in my opinion he certainly ended the play with the ball behind the line.

Jersey Al's picture

It was the correct call. it's considered forward progress as long as the ball pullback wasn't a result of his running again to try to get away.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Ah, so running is the key on this one.

HankScorpio's picture

Thanks for clearing that up, Al.

So trying to gain more yards = surrendering forward progress but trying to secure the ball does not. I can't say that makes any sense to apply the rules that way, IMO. But then again, neither does the tuck rule. Or the rules that define what is or is not a catch. All of those rules made sense to the competition committee, I guess. And those guys know one heck of a lot more about it than me.

Like I said, I loved watching things play out like they did. So I'm glad the Cowboys got the call.

dobber's picture

I would've rather had the stop.

My cardiologist disagrees...

Fordham Ram's picture

sorry, dp

Fordham Ram's picture

The announcers explained on a previous play, you get forward progress at the point where you get touched and then pushed back. He stuck the ball out there but I was looking for where did he get touched. Looked they gave Zeke an extra half yard which was the difference. What ticked me off is that you get the big stop, then the big let down and by inches at that. C boys, at the crucial moments they always seem to get the calls.

Fordham Ram's picture

did it again, editing can be tricky, my apologies

D.D. Driver's picture

My problem with the review was that the camera did NOT appear to be directly overhead, but positioned *slightly* behind the pile up. From that angle you cannot see where the ball really is. This is just geometry. Angles matter.

HankScorpio's picture

Back in the day, I spent a fair amount of time at the dog track betting on greyhounds. The angle CAN fool you.

RobinsonDavis's picture

I have the same opinion DD. I really don't know how they can overturn a call like that given the camera angle. Wonder if McCarthy will send that into the league for an opinion?

Jonathan Spader's picture

Martinez had a dominant 1st half. Randall has shown that he hasn't matured at all. Kevin King showed his importance to the defense. Offense didn't seem to change once Brulaga went out. Troy Aiken, Joe Buck yourself. I still have mixed feelings about House. I think by the end of the year he might get replaced by Hawkins. Love what Jones did with his opportunity at RB. Was sad that Williams on his 1 carry lowered his head and ran right into the backs of the OLine.... Where did someone predict that?... Rhymes with cheesehead tv. Who drank all my spotted cow? Loved the announcers saying don't leave that kind of time on the clock for Aaron Rodgers! Thank you Dallas... You suck.

Tundraboy's picture

Exactly. I turned down the volume so I didn't hear, the "NFL rule expert" take on it.

Nick Perry's picture

Question...What the heck was up with Lindsey today? Lots of low snaps and a few times his man blew right by him without being touched. He's GOT to be better than that.

Liked what Marty Bennett did today today. He caught the balk when it was thrown to him for first downs.

CJ Bauckham's picture

Irving blew by him multiple times.. that guy is a hoss

MarkinMadison's picture

The low snaps are not new. I noticed that in previous games and previous years as well. For a guy whose only viable position in the NFL is center, I would have hoped he would have cleaned that up.

chugwater's picture

Noticed that too. And not being on the same page with Evans on the second drive to pick up the A gap blitz. Was scratching my head after that one.

J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

Linsley slid left, Evans should have too, but didnt.

fthisJack's picture

i think Ted might be wishing he had paid Tretter. could play any position on the line reliably. look what we have as backups now.

Tundraboy's picture

Great, great win. Aaron Jones. Just proves we fans can see what a different style RB could do for us. We certainly have seen enough of the opposite, and know what a back who runs into an OLinemens butt looks like, that's for sure. Loved that run at end of game. Shocked a lot of us, that call.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I'd add RC to those who saw what Jones could do. I liked Jones better than Williams, but not to the extent you two and perhaps some others predicted. Kudos to you folks!

MITM's picture

I REALLY was expecting that phantom call on Martinez to end up being the difference for the Cowboys. But ya know, Aaron Rodgers.

dobber's picture

Yeah, that #12, he's pretty good at football.

The TKstinator's picture

And game shows.

Spock's picture

Yeah, I was ready to throw something at the t.v. with that call. What the heck? I said to my wife that Jerry must be paying those "home town" refs a lot of coin. Then, after the half, it seemed like someone must have "gotten a call" because IMHO the refs calls were VASTLY more fair in the second half!! What a game. I must be getting jaded in my old age because I just KNEW Rodgers would win that one with less than a minute to play! How great that Adams got to win this one for the team after that brutal hit last game. Loved that.

dobber's picture

Not to toot my own horn, but I did say on the expectations thread the other day that I expected Dallas to get a lot of "home cookin'" from the refs. I don't think it was as bad as I thought it would be.

Toot.

fthisJack's picture

after that PHANTOM call, i put on my deer hunting duds and went in the woods.....i too figured that would be the difference in the game. i could kick myself in the a&& for not sticking it out.

chugwater's picture

My first reaction is Packer fans can be the biggest whiners. The defeatist comments and tweets in the second quarter were so annoying. Games have momentum, ups and downs. It would be nice If Packer fans could hold back and let the game play out once in awhile.

Jonathan Spader's picture

It's called being a fan. Everyone gets upset when the Packers aren't playing well. I agree you need to let the game play out but calling out Packer fans isn't fair. People in general are whiners. Check out the Cowboy fans tweets and forums.

MarkinMadison's picture

I did not put my new Packers hat on until the Packers were down by 15, so this is all my fault. Sorry.

Siwi87's picture

Come on man.....your the reason I almost had a stroke!
Remember the hat!

MarkinMadison's picture

What happened with Jordy at the end?

EdsLaces's picture

I know right? Not cool

rdent's picture

Great win today, the biggest question I have is does anyone on that Defense know how to occupy the middle of the field?

MarkinMadison's picture

I'm just about ready to declare Schum the best punter the Packers have had since I don't know when.

Martinez had another great game.

HaHa had another sub-par game.

Rossonero's picture

You do know that Schum got cut a long time ago, right? Justin Vogel is our punter.

dobber's picture

If it weren't for the Packers's lousy defense, he and Janis would have flipped the field at a key point in this one.

Since '61's picture

This game is just another reason why I always include A. Rodgers multiple times in my 5 reasons why the Packers will win their game.

I think that Aaron Jones should be RB1, he was huge in this game.
Once again our defense is unable to get off the field in the 4th quarter. This defense needs to make stops against the good offensive teams. Where was Josh Jones in this game?
Hope Kevin King injury is not serious.
Officiating was ridiculous again today. The officials virtually gave the Cowgirls their first TD by calling a penalty on Martinez that never happened.
Don't know how many injuries this team can continue to deal with. But for now and for this game, no worries thanks again to Aaron Rodgers. Thanks, Since '61

Rob_S's picture

Randall need a foot up his ass then to be put on waivers

Jonathan Spader's picture

Not sure how many teams will pick up a player with only 1 foot...

Oppy's picture

He wouldn't have one foot, he'd have three.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

I think he had three when he ran to the Locker Room last week.

packerbackerjim's picture

I don’t think Dak threw Josh Jones way all day!
Marty B paid dividends.
Aaron Jones a very impressive runner. Great vision.
Davonte Adams has super powers!
Special teams not very.
DL needs a dominant DE.
Rodgers the latest and greatest in a long list of great GB QBs.
Last, can the team charter a trip to Lourdes?

LayingTheLawe's picture

Until at least tomorrow I just don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about meaningless regular season games. I don't want to hear about injuries. I don't want to hear about the myriad of issues this team needs to improve before playoff time. I don't want to hear about Cowpokes questionable clock management. I just want to bask in this one for a while. Holy freaking Christmas what a game. Hmm on second thought make it til at least Tuesday, this one needs some celebration time.

Tundraboy's picture

Agreed. Enjoy everyone.

Don Hutson's picture

That Aaron Rodgers guy is pretty good!

stockholder's picture

Nice to see Randall had some friends. Great game changing TD play. Devate Adams has some serious hang time going down the sidelines. Nice to see him catch those balls. Agree ,A. Jones came up huge today. I feel good about are RBs. Thought the refs sucked in the first half.

CAG123's picture

The best thing about this win is the Cowboys can’t make a single excuse about the refs or blown calls. They just got straight up beat.

Norm's picture

Just curious what Nick Perry was thinking on that last play with all the laterals when he recovered the fumble but just stood there and let the ball be knocked out of his hands (okay, hand). Not sure if there was a whistle up to that point. Credit to Rollins for actually recovering the fumble and going to the ground. Could have been a huge disaster.

dobber's picture

You're right: he just flat out dropped that ball. No whistle. Thank heavens it didn't cost them.

I hate those lateral plays.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Lets see what Nick Perry says...

michaelturi's picture

Nope, Cowboy fans were screaming at the refs all game and blaming the refs after the game. There was a moment of silence before the Packers crowd erupted and the Cowboy fans were stunned, it was precious.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

AR, What hasn't been said?

Bennett, 2 Great catch's when we needed them. If I'm wrong, I admit it. Wish he were a little quicker, but he's a force. Glad we have him.

Jones - WOW I don't care when Montgomery comes back, Jones is our Starting Running Back. For a While, I thought AG was back. Great Game!!

Adams, Tremendous Improvement!!

Randell & Rollins - Garbage!! My wife could have caught that interception. He doesn't get a reprieve for that one. I'm glad he's done something as a Packer.

Crosby Somebody hire a Limo. I'LL PAY FOR IT. Put Crosby in it & point it towards MINN. He would have been out of GB in 2007 if I were in charge. He Never Was, He isn't Now, & He Never Will Be a Clutch Kicker. They should present him with a medal for hitting more Goal Posts than any other Kicker. And there was NOTHING Wrong with either of those Holds.

Question: I'd have to see the play again, which I can't. Does anyone think we let Dak Prescott score at the end of the game to get the ball back? It almost looked that way to me.
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EdsLaces's picture

Crosby has one bad game and you're shipping him out? Hmmm...what about last year in Dallas ? Wanna ship him out then ?

Oppy's picture

You are so dead set on being "right" about Crosby it's clouding your vision.

Since that bad year, he's been as clutch as can be.

Arguably one of the top 3 kickers in the NFL.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Oppy you think you know everthing. "Arguably one of the top 3 kickers in the NFL"

Unless I'm reading the wrong stats, He is currently Ranked 21st of all Active Kickers, & 42ond on the All Time List. Hardly something to Brag about.

2012 his FG% was 63%. His 1st 5 yrs were in the 70's% & he's had 5 yr's in the 80's%, for a Career Average of just over 80%. Ryan Longwell is 24th All Time.

No question he can kick a long way. He'll make 60 yarders when were ahead 20 pt's. When you need him you can't take him to the bank. He's had some good games. He's had many more bad ones to suit me.

I'll admit my memory isn't what it use to be. I know he missed a FG in the 2007 NFC Championship Game that could have won it, & I believe he missed a Crucial one against the Kurt Warner game that would have won it for us. I could be wrong on this one? He's missed too many to suit me.
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dobber's picture

The snap was bad on the second botched PAT. Vogel struggled to get it placed. On JSOnline they're speculating that the LS might no longer be with the team by tomorrow.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

dobber, Both those snaps were good enough. Maybe Not Perfect, but both ballS were placed Well Enough to kick, & were both down & placed before the kicks. That's how I saw it.
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dobber's picture

I don't disagree in that it looked like the placement got there. I just don't know if it screwed up the timing of the kick. Haven't seen a replay to judge whether Crosby had to change his approach to the ball.

Flow49's picture

Aside from that abysmal year I can't really remember Crosby letting us down. When the game is on the line he's pretty reliable. I could be wrong but missed FG's to lose a game are pretty memorable. He's not the best ever but I feel comfortable with him kicking the ball.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Flow49, I'm not saying he's the worst kicker to put on a uniform, just far from one of the Best. He may have had a number of game winning FG's, I really don't know. You don't get that many of those. He may have made more of those than he missed. You have to take into consideration the FG's during the games that were missed, that would have led to victory's I'm sorry, He hasn't won me over in 11 years. I don't have a lot of confidence in him. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong. Maybe this year? I hope he does. We are going to need him.
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dobber's picture

What I'll say for Crosby is that he's a pretty good bad-weather and cold-weather kicker. That's always counted for something.

Oppy's picture

One has to also look at the range of the misses and percentage of long range kicks attempted.

Many of crosby's misses are 50+.

JDK52's picture

Not sure I can dislike your BS comment about Crosby enough, LVT. As of the NFC Divisional Round in Dallas, he had a NFL-record 23 consecutive postseason FG makes. Literally the best there has ever been at making kicks when they count the most.

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/128604/mason-crosbys-perfor...

Say what you want about last night; he's been clutch as hell and will continue to be.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

JDK52, I'm well aware of his Playoff FG'S. He had a Great Game against Dallas last year. I remember the one's that hurt. I'll never forget his missed FG in the 2007 NFC Championship. Someone will have to help me with the Playoff Game in 2008 - 2009 against Kurt Warner, that we lost 51 to 45 in OT. I believe he missed a FG that could have won that game in Regulation 48-45. I know he made 1 20 yarder. I think he's a Good, not Great Kicker, & I don't think he's Clutch as Hell. I've been watching GB Packer Football for at least 60 years. He's hit more Goal Posts than any other Kicker I've seen. When I have Money down, there's a reason I'm not Confident in Mason Crosby. I agree he can kick a ball a long way, & I know he's made a number of 50+ yard FG's, but to be a Great FG Kicker, you should make 50 yarder's. He's missed a lot more than he has made.
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MarkAlan's picture

Clinton-Dix has an ego problem that's going to take the top off his career

Jonathan Spader's picture

Maybe Randall can coach HHCD on his ego... Oh wait...

Oppy's picture

What is this based on?

I'd say most NFL players have an ego.

sonomaca's picture

Everyone is quick to chuck Monty on trash heap. Aaron Jones is obviously a very talented player, but he’s not super large. Unlikely he’ll last a dozen or more games as a feature back without injury.

Jonathan Spader's picture

Critics said the same thing about Montgomery.... Oh wait...

dobber's picture

RBs are perishable quantities in the NFL. If there's anything that the last couple years have taught us, it's that you need to have at least a couple.

fthisJack's picture

ride the guy with the hot hand. Jones takes what the defense gives him and he has the speed to get to the edge and take it all the way. keep riding him until Monty heals and then switch them up. did Mays get any snaps?

Siwi87's picture

Crosby will be fine! He was clutch last year in Dallas.....
Dix needs to improve big time......TT better sign Adams now before he costs 12-15 million a year at least!
Spend that extra cap money so we don't lose our clear number two receiver and future number one. I just can't put my finger on what consistently hurts this defense.....they look great at times and other times putrid and then there is the times they lose by inches (4 and1) today...drop a pick or miss a sack and it turns into a thirty yard gain.....I just don't know???
Is this just defense in the NFL today against talented offensive teams?
Talk to me guys!

Jonathan Spader's picture

It all comes down to pressure. When Dak Prescott or any other decemt QB has time they pick the Packers apart across the middle. When the Packers can ruah to the QB even if they don't get the sack their secondary holds up and they can collapse run plays. Dom plays prevent defense which exposes our coverage and gets us burned always has most likely always will. I've tried to support Capers but man does he make it difficult.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Agreed. We got 8 pressures on Prescott's 40 drop backs per PFF. That isn't good enough to win consistently.

The good news is that Perry is probably 60% to 70% of normal with a club. Daniels might not have been 100%. I am not sure what happened with Brooks - I thought he got hurt. I thought I saw a lot of Perry/CM3, and they must have gotten tired given Dallas' time of possession advantage (35:06 minutes to 24:54 minutes).

Jonathan Spader's picture

Didn't see much pressure being applied by the safeties this game. Surprise pressure from Martinez at ILB he looked unstoppable this game. Loved seeing Perry use that club to knock the ball out of Dak's hand that one must have hurt.

Siwi87's picture

Monty and AJones are gonna be a solid one two punch that will make AROD indefensible!

MITM's picture

I thought Jake Ryan played well today also.

Siwi87's picture

Oh by the way the easiest way to beat the queens is to establish the run and slow that defense down on their fast surface

dobber's picture

Maybe it was just me, but #52 seemed to be in coverage an awful lot at the end of that game...

flackcatcher's picture

Lost of Thomas really showed up by the third quarter. Then Packers lost Burnett, and the Cowboys went to town on the short pass. Whitten? is old and slow, but nobody plays the soft spots in zone coverage better. No choice, Packers ran out of bodies. By the way, did you notice Jones playing SS over Brice when Burnett went down. Some of that was exhaustion, cramps took a lot of the secondary out by the end of the third. I wasn't sure who they would have left if this game went into overtime.

Qoojo's picture

My first impression is quite pessimistic as it boils down to, this is the same defense that has cost them in the playoffs every year. Looks like yet another year of Rodgers' career is wasted.

LayingTheLawe's picture

If that's your reaction to watching this game then I am sorry to inform you that you have to give up football and take up another hobby. If you can't just enjoy that and worry about January in January then why bother watching at all.

Tundraboy's picture

Exactly

Qoojo's picture

Sorry, but this has been the case every year since the superbowl. Defense not good enough. Every year it's a waiting game to see if defense improves, once again i might add. So what's different this than every year since the superbowl?

This defense is almost as bad as the defense from the Starr teams in the 80s. Although, it's not as bad as the 2011 defense.

LayingTheLawe's picture

I am not being snide or snarky. If you can't enjoy an exciting win like that then you really should stop watching and do something else.

Turophile's picture

Qoojo, you have a faulty perspective. This game is one where you ENJOY THE JOURNEY, to get wherever you end up.

Too much focus on an unknown future, you don't get to have fun in the now.

dobber's picture

People get after that 2011 defense which was bottom-of-the-barrell in yards allowed, but it was pretty much middle-of-the-pack in points allowed.

Game flow means a lot. When your offense is playing lights out and putting opponents into "must score 35 points to win" mode early in games, you're going to surrender a lot of yards. That Packer team was playing prevent for half of the season.

I'm not saying they were good. I'm saying that if the offense wasn't scoring 35 ppg like they were, it would have changed the game flow dramatically and we have no idea what that defense would've looked like.

dobber's picture

Dallas is going to score a lot of points--efficient, balanced, offense--this year and against some pretty good defenses. Especially in their house.

Stealing a win on the road against a team everyone seemed to have pegged as a SB contender before the season started is pretty big, no matter how it unfolds. This win makes it improbable that the Packers will have to go back there in January.

Just...win...baby.

MITM's picture

Also just to touch on HHCD...he looks slow and disinterested back there. Potentially out of shape. We really really need a centerfielder at frer safety who can get over the top and make a play on the ball and right now he looks flatout incapable. So i will say this just as some food for thought. Would we get more out of Randall taking snaps at free safety on obvious passing downs? I dislike Randall even with the pick 6 today his penalty after was a disgrace. But SOMEBODY has to start making plays on the ball. Also, Kentrell Brice should go by "marlboro red" because hes a cowboy killer.

baldski's picture

Randall just tossed the ball away after the TD! He did not even see Dak there. Look at the tape. I thought it was a BS call.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

So, I went back and looked at the tape. No doubt in my mind that Randall saw Prescott and tossed it, albeit pretty gently, at Prescott. I think that is going to get called almost automatically.

dobber's picture

It doesn't help that HHCD is being forced to help out all across the secondary. When you don't have a CB who can work on an island at least some of the time, the FS has a lot more ground to cover and is going to look late on a lot of stuff.

RobinsonDavis's picture

I cant accent this point enough. Although likely an exaggeration, it feels like we are constantly in blitz mode, and one deep. Two deep splits the field and, can allow for better coverage over the middle for those intermediate passes. McCarthy has always placed an emphasis on turnovers, and I feel the Packers D is constantly playing in a Make or break mode attempting to create these opportunities.

A healthy Daniels and Perry are SOOOO important to this D, though.

flackcatcher's picture

Fun game watching Packers win. Refs lost it, let the crowd get to them. Chippy game almost became nasty. Capers got out schemed early first half. Cowboys set up Dak Prescott to run first in the gaps made by man coverage and 1 high. Cowboys one of only two teams in the league who can get away with that. Packers shifted to zone late 2 quarter and pretty much shut down Dallas till middle of the fourth. Give the Cowboys credit, they wore the Packers DL down. Secondary play was night and day, especially in the second half. O-line was effective when it counted. Aaron Rodgers once again showed why he is the best player at the most important position in the NFL. Jerry Jones, I drink your tears, HA HA HA HA. I go to bed a happy camper tonight. GO PACK!

pipelinedave's picture

Can someone explain what exactly happened on the play at the 2 yd line when Rodgers got hit with the crown of that cowboys helmet. They said it was a sack I believe. So was the play blown dead and than he got hit? I have a buddy that said he should've been considered a runner so that shouldn't have been a penalty. And when they marked off the penalty it wasn't from the original line of scrimmage? It was from where rodgers was when he got hit.

flackcatcher's picture

Rodgers was ruled sacked by the back judge before he threw the ball. It is a dead ball foul, and is a 15 yard from the point of contact.

dobber's picture

I thought that was clearly a foul. Late hit, leading with the helmet...went a little high for good measure.

Any smart defender knows you can't do that to a QB. It's going to get called virtually every time. Even if people don't agree with the call, it's karma for the Martinez call in the endzone.

Point Packer's picture

Explain to me how MM would make Jamal Williams the #3 RB over Aaron Jones? Classic MM stupidity. Williams had shown absolutely nothing. Jones? I just don't get it.

Jonathan Spader's picture

The common thought was pass protection but Jones didn't seem to be a liability in that regard tonight.

BradHTX's picture

Man, what ever happened to Farts_after_wins? After such a satisfying victory over the Gurls, we need us some *poot*!

dobber's picture

Hear, hear!

4thand1's picture

What happened to cowpie? His mommy must have thrown him outa the basement.

dobber's picture

COW was banned a while ago for, well, mostly just being an antagonistic prick. Sometimes I miss him if only because he could get people riled up from time to time but made you think about what you were posting. Mostly I don't because he never supported his own arguments. "You'll see.." or "No sane person would argue..." hardly supports a viewpoint. He was the kind of person who goes into a bar just to start a fight.

Pack88's picture

LIke everybody I loved the final 75 seconds and worried through the first 58:45. I am not so quick to feel too bad about the defense just yet! I am sure everybody noticed a lot of base defense this game not as much nitro as I anticipated. I think this led to a dichotomous 2 halves with the first lots of passing, the second lot of running!

I was thrilled with the 2nd effective game from Maryty B and if we ever get 69 back, look for him to make hay! I loved Aaron Jones in the preseason and he was awesome today but I want to see him against a better front than Dallas, but he is eerily similar to 88 and we may find them interchangeable as the season progresses.
Like everybody I thought the officiating was atrocious beginning with that call on Martinez I'm the endzone! I was impressed with Lane Taylor again and GB got a severe home team discount from him, reminds me of when Mike Flannigan moved out from center to play LT when Chad Clifton was hurt and did so well or two years ago when Tretter filled in for 69.
Cobb was so effective when he was on the filed he got a lot of attention but needing 2 TE's got him a lot of pine time !
Blake Martinez is proving a lot of the naysayers wrong and last of all, I hope GB blows the Vikings out O don't know of my heart is healthy enough to be a Packer fan this early in the season!

Otto's picture

90 seconds left in a game and you have to drive the field to win the game, is there anyone else you'd want under center? Rodgers is just ruthless.

I've been rooting for the runt since watching his highlights on draft day. 6.6 yards/carry. Well done, young man.

al bundy's picture

Heck of a football game. Go Pack Go.
My simple thoughts... Matinez is the man. Adams got right back on the horse and rode that mother....
Randle was lucky with the interception and I was glad he knew which direction to run in. A rocket scientist he aint.
Not sure of King. Would like to know if concussions were an issue for him in college. Two big ones now and its only game six.
Hope Gordy is ok.
Nice to see our third string running back got to play a little before going back on the bench next week. After all he was drafted behind Williams and Monty will be back.

zeke's picture

Good luck tonight. Growing up I used to say that I rooted for two teams: the Packers and whomever was playing the Vikings (unless they were playing the Bears; then I hoped for a tie with a lot of injuries). But that was when I was young and dumb and didn't understand that rooting for injuries was not cool. But then your guy AP and his magic tree branch came along and I started to have second thoughts. Anyhoo, enjoy the game.

dobber's picture

After yesterday, I don't think they'll be rushing #88 back.

JohnnyLogan's picture

The defense looks like the same defense we've had for years and Capers is the main constant. He's designed different defenses over the years, none of which work. He coaches scared. We're lucky that throw to Beasly over the middle on the second last play was a little off or we'd be talking about that tonight. He was wide open heading for TD. We've got more speed and better athletes now then we've had for a while so I'm giving TT a pass. But not Capers. His defenses just can't stop good teams. Atlanta and Dallas ate us up. We'll see one or both again. Anyone feel like we'll stop them in the playoffs. The bald yawning fool needs to go.

CAG123's picture

Eh I’m not so sure the defense shut Zeke down until the late in the 3rd when key players started dropping out and outside of a 49 yard completion Dak had 202 on 35 attempts hardly getting “ate” and the defense only gave up 10 points the rest of the way despite being on the field for 7 minutes at a time while chipping in 6 of their own. Dak avoided about 3 sacks with his athleticism these are the things you have to take into account this team could look very different when guys get healthy.

Jonathan Spader's picture

CAG we keep saying when these guys get healthy. In football do you think that's realiatic? This was the healthiest the Packers have looked all year and we had King go down fairly quickly. I think we could get better once our defense has more experience but I don't think health was as big of a factor for this game. The defense just did enough for the Packers to let Aaron Rodgers win the game.

dobber's picture

"CAG we keep saying when these guys get healthy."

I'll start switching it to, "when everyone else is as beat up as the Packers."

;)

croatpackfan's picture

I was amazed that FDallas punted only once, Packers twice (second punt was beautil, long and long hang out time) both teams had one FG and the winning diference was pick six Packers had and Dallas did not (Packers had a punt instead!)...

dobber's picture

Only four stops on the day: the punt and pick 6, and the end of each half.

cpheph1's picture

The pick six was arguably the play of the game.

Finwiz's picture

Impressions:
1.) Aaron Jones was a steal in the 5th round, and I don't care what Monty can do, Jones should be the starting running back. Move Ty back to receiver, or make him a 3rd down back.

2.) Devonte Adams is a WARRIOR that has a desire to play through injury. The catch he made on the TD was one of the most difficult, twisting, athletic catches I've ever seen. I'm buying his jersey, and I don't own one player jersey. (Note - I do have ONE player jersey - a Steeler jersey some kid left in my back yard that I hit with the mower. Troy Polamolu) Caveat on Adams - this is a contract year, so clearly he's motivated to make his 50-75 million, and he'll probably get it.

3.) Aaron Rodgers is going to be, and should be, the highest paid QB in the game. Another unbelievable performance in Dallas. What more needs to be said, he's a hall of famer, and quite possibly the best Packer QB ever. Brett Favre was an athletic beast of a player, but Aaron Rodgers is truly mythical. His number will be in the ring of honor some day.

4.) Packers defense is truly awful and has a long, long way to go to be championship caliber. I honestly believe they have the talent, but the coaching is absolutely horrific, some of the worst in the league. A shakeup of the coaching staff needs to be done after the season.

If this team had just a 10-15 range defense, this would be/will be, a Super Bowl year.

dobber's picture

"Aaron Jones was a steal in the 5th round, and I don't care what Monty can do, Jones should be the starting running back."

I think Jones gives them very useful depth at RB, but we have to remember that this was Dallas's pretty lousy defense they were playing against without their top run stopper in Sean Lee. I don't know how much difference Lee would've made yesterday, but I can't help but think a healthy Monty would have been just as effective against that sorry group. Jones looked a lot like Monty against Chicago last fall, but I think he'll take a back seat until he's more integrated into the passing game. We'll see how #33 does against a Vikings defense that has the personnel and desire to try to gobsmack the Packers next week. At least for now, the Packers might have a 1A and 1B at RB.

"Brett Favre was an athletic beast of a player, but Aaron Rodgers is truly mythical."

I can't help but wonder what Favre--who was mostly arm talent, guts and passion (that's an oversimplification)--would have been if he'd had ARod's intellect, accuracy, and feel.

"If this team had just a 10-15 range defense, this would be/will be, a Super Bowl year."

From your lips to God's ears...

Finwiz's picture

>From your lips to God's ears...<

I feel like a man of my intellect should know what this means, but it's too cryptic for me, and/or I'm apparently clueless. Nevertheless I am interested in having it explained to me. LOL

dobber's picture

I always think of it as meaning, "Preach it, man!"

Jonathan Spader's picture

I've always thought about it as the God's honest truth. I think Jones easily integrates himself into a pass catcher. He already made an acrobatic catch against Dallas. He seemed to handle himself in pass protection. We said TY didn't show much because of the state of the offensive line. Jones played behind that same line and showed plenty. I don't think it was just Dallas's run defense. I think Jones could just be that tallented.

Also have to agree that changes need to be made on the defensive coaching staff. I've given Capers a ton of excuses over the years. I'm out of excuses and out of patience :(.

Finwiz's picture

>We said TY didn't show much because of the state of the offensive line. Jones played behind that same line and showed plenty. I don't think it was just Dallas's run defense. I think Jones could just be that talented.<

I agree - we complain when guys can't rush for any yards, against any teams defense, so I don't care who we were playing, the guy still had 125 yards against a pro caliber defense. I'm not going to nit-pick about that performance in any way. Give the guy some credit for once for God's sake. He was awesome and deserves to be the starter.

Pauly's picture

I have thought all along that D. Mays has the same type of RB talent as A. Jones does with a lot bigger, more punishing body type to wear down defenses.
Like to see him get some touches and maybe have a 3 headed RB situation.

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