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#PackersDaily: Is it Edge or bust at 12 for Packers?

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TheVOR's picture

Best available can't miss at OL, DE, OLB, TE. I think of what the saints gave up to get Marcus Davenport last year. Watched him get man handled in a senior bowl practice that supposedly didn't hurt his draft stock. Guy looks mediocre as heck. Don't just draft rush to draft "possible rush". If a monster RT/G talent is sitting there at 12, or even a very dominant DE, then take the best most dominant starting possibility. This player needs to start and play at a high level., period.

dobber's picture

Depending on what stock you put in PFF...

saintswire.usatoday.com/2018/11/17/pff-grades-marcus-davenport-as-nfls-best-rookie-pass-rusher/

TheVOR's picture

Chubb was clearly in a class of his own.. We'll see how Davenport does down the line. Bradly Chubb is the real deal..

Old School's picture

Yeah, I saw that about Davenport. He had 4.5 sacks last year; when Lowry and Fackrell were putting up numbers like that we couldn't stop talking about how they were hot garbage.

He also had 12 tackles and 12 hits in 416 snaps. Reggie Gilbert, by comparison, had 2.5 sacks , 27 tackles and 7 hits in 486 snaps. Not as good, but costs a helluva lot less in terms of salary and draft picks.

My point is.....I think there's a lot of people who overvalue edge rushers.

The Packers actually have two pretty good edge rushers under contract right now, Fackrell and Perry. Gilbert can be resigned for the vet minimum. So I see room for one more OLB on the gameday roster right now. I'm just not sure we need to spend a top pick on one.

It seems to me like getting more guys in the secondary who can cover and tackle, and getting a Dlineman to replace Wilkerson in the rotation, would probably pay bigger dividends to the defense.

Ezra's Hotdog's picture

Edge rusher, pass rusher all one need to do is look at the Chiefs last season. Houston 9 sacks, Ford 13 sacks, Chris Jones 15.5 sacks and the Chiefs defense was worse than the Packers. I agree about the secondary. We had a decent pass rush when the Packers won the Super bowl with Rodgers but the secondary was outstanding. Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Nick Collins, and the converted Sam Shields playing nickel.

dobber's picture

They need 3 edge rushers: even if he's kept, Perry can't finish a season. Gilbert isn't a replacement level player: they can do better. That leaves Fackrell who has one productive year under his belt, and Donnerson who couldn't even net special teams snaps when promoted late in the year.

Personally? I want to see at least two if not three new players in the mix at OLB or even DE when the fur flies in September.

CalPacker's picture

Here's my problem with that. Do you remember a single Edge rusher laying a hand on Brady through their entire playoff run? I don't. I think Edge is over-hyped, unless you're talking about somebody like Allen, who may actually be unblockable. I'd rather take advantage of all the crazy, out-of-control desire out there for Edge standouts, arbitrage that into reality-based Rd 2 and Rd 3 nuggets... For example: first trade #12 to QB-hungry Washington for #15 and #77, then trade #15 to Oakland for #35, #66 and #99. That would give us: 30, 35, 44, 66, 76,77, 99 on day 2... with another 6 picks on day 3.

bjoost's picture

i like ur thinking. if Murray is available at #12 we should take him and trade him for more picks

HankScorpio's picture

You can't force a pick. Last year's draft class was said to be unusually poor for edge rushers. That made it a bad time to go shopping for edge rushers.

However, sometimes the board is in your favor. This year's class is said to be unusually good for edge rushers. Another position that i hear get rave reviews for talent and depth is TE. When the draft's strengths line up with your weaknesses, don't look the gift horse in the mouth. That's why I want edge @ 12 and TE @ 30.

OTOH, another big weakness for the Packers is Safety. This year's draft class is said to have an unusually weak Safety group. So they should look to address that need in another way instead of trying for force a pick that isn't there to make.

Archie's picture

I've come around to thinking that the GBP should draft two Edge rushers and 2 TEs with their first 4 picks.

1 - TE or Edge - BAP
2 - TE or Edge - BAP
3 - TE or Edge - BAP
4 - TE or Edge - BAP

That would get rid of the greatest weakness on both offense and defense with quality and depth.

Then use the two R4 picks on OL.

Only exception I'd entertain is if there is a WR1 they fall in love with.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

I could go with that as long as they know Madison is coming back and they pick up a starting caliber OL in FA.

bjoost's picture

will Cole Madison be back?? Anyone know what the issue was?

Old School's picture

I have no info at all, and I've looked for it. "Personal issues". I have no idea if he'll ever be anything but I know that at this point it'd be foolish to count on anything from him.

We need a starter at RG, which is the least important position on offense. We need a starter-ready OT to back up Bulaga and Bakthiari. I think we'll have a chance to fill the RG slot in free agency , where we can get a decent vet for a reasonable price. The OT spot is probably going to require a premium (Top 100) pick.

MarkinMadison's picture

Doubtful that this can happen. It's draft or the OL you have this year.

bjoost's picture

EDGE and RT to start with the draft. you could get 2 starters with the 12 & 30 picks. Gotta keep #12 on his feet and its a matter of when not if Bulaga gets hurt. Hopefully with FA a OG & TE can fill those needs.

MarkinMadison's picture

Safety is a huge problem.

Old School's picture

MarkinMadison…...you are spot on.

Our starters at safety, right now, are a 36 year old CB playing out of position who can cover but doesn't tackle and a UDFA who can tackle but doesn't cover well. They're backed up by Josh Jones....who can tackle but doesn't cover well...and some more UDFAs. And that's before the first injury.

How many UDFAs did New England and the Rams play at safety?

We need to spend a premium pick on a safety who can become a starter during the season. We probably need to sign a FA or trade for one, too. Then we could move Tramon to CB and that'd help our depth there.

I think getting more guys in the secondary who can cover AND tackle is our biggest priority on defense this off season.

porupack's picture

But why spend a premium pick on safety when you can get good one in FA for <$5m and veteran safeties are more likely to 'plug and play'. Whereas you cannot get a good OLB, CB, OT, TE for that money, and might be double. So spend premium picks accordingly, and bring in FA safety.

CalPacker's picture

Just look at NE. They TOTALLY neutralized both TE and Edge positions in their run-up to the Championship. I think TE and Edge are the two most over-hyped positions in football. TEs like Kelsey run up gaudy stats against slower linebackers but are neutralized by quick DBs. Edge players like Ford feast on mediocre QBs (who hang on to the ball too long) but are impotent against quick-releasing QBs like Brady.
But above all, drafting for need is a dead end.
Instead, draft the best player available, regardless of position, and build your team around your strengths--rather than plugging media-hyped players into your holes...

bjoost's picture

i agree. EDGE, TE, OT first 3 picks, trade up/down to get the value, but those positions are critical. Then depending on best available; S, OG, RB, OLB, CB...with remaining picks.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Even if Cole Madison announces today that he plans to report, that shouldn't change GB's plans for FA or the draft. We need a RG who can play in 2019, not someone who might be able to.

No one knows what GB has or would have had in Madison: maybe we got another Linsley (5th rd) or another Junious Coston/Schauderaff (5th/6th) who can't play at all. Or perhaps we got somebody in between Linsley and Schauderaff like Giacomini or Marshall Newhouse, guys who can play but not at a high level.

jannes bjornson's picture

He's a good player, but looks like his heart is not in it. Pro football demands that passion. Too many guys getting paid to go through the motions the way it is now.

CalPacker's picture

I disagree that this class is unusually good for edge rushers. To me, there's Allen, Bosa and a bunch of guys with athleticism but serious question marks skill-wise.

By contrast, where this draft IS heavy is DTs with athleticism-- Williams, Gary, Simmons, Wilkins, Tillery, Willis, Wren and Jones in the first tier, guys like Omenihu, Collier, Keke, Cowart, and Wise in the second tier.

And as it turns out, interior pressure on the QB is the new priority in the NFL. Edge rushers you can always scheme around, but in-your-face pressure is T-R-O-U-B-L-E for any offense...

I say we take advantage of this abundance, plan for the inevitable decline of Daniels, and even consider using a stockpile of athletic DTs in a 4-3 like Philadelphia...

Rak47's picture

Um no! If Gute drafts a guard at 12 someone needs to slap the gel out of his hairdo. Tackle yes, OLB yes, D-line yes, ILB yes, TE yes,[ but only if it's Hockenson]. Guard at 12? He!! NO!
Just on a side note Daniel Jeremiah called Hockenson a beast saying he is the best blocking TE he's seen and graded over the past 15 years. His blocking combined with his ability to catch and run is only reason I would consider taking a TE at 12.

dblbogey's picture

I love Hockenson but not at #12, hopefully at 30.

The TKstinator's picture

We also don’t know MLF’s designs for a TE. But I DO think he’s shown an ability to utilize his players’ strengths, as in the case of Derrick Henry.

(Allegedly MM valued tight ends but apparently his designs used them like crap.)

Archie's picture

May have to trade up from 30 to get him.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

If he is as good as so many say then yes he will likely go around #12 or 15.

Jared's picture

I don’t think Hockenson lasts till #30

barutanseijin's picture

Go edge if you want to see Aaron Rodgers get hurt in game 1 again.

sonomaca's picture

Exactly. Don’t protect him, and it doesn’t matter how many EDGES you have. I’d go tackle at #12, guard at #30. Don’t let Khalil Mack ruin the season on opening night in Chicago, again.

Oppy's picture

Do you know why do you capitalize the entire word “EDGE”?

Packerpasty's picture

secret insider stuff only us EDGE people have knowledge of...

HankScorpio's picture

I certainly agree that OL is in need of major attention this offseason. The Packers have additional picks beyond #12. They can grab an edge rusher @ 12 and still seek to upgrade their OL later.

I really don't think there will be an OL worthy of #12 available to them. There might only be one in this year's draft class--Jonah Williams. I think he's gone by the time the Packers get on the clock. Maybe Cody Ford but opinions vary on him enough that it is questionable. Personally, I would like to see both day 2 picks (44 & 75 overall) used on OL, assuming the available talent lines up. Using #30 on OL help would not bother me a bit. I'd also like to see them double-up on OL draftees no later than their 2nd 4th.

Archie's picture

Question:

Who was worse at his job. TT or MM?

Really difficult to say as both seemed really bad for a long time and now, in retrospect, they both appear even worse.

I don't like Mark Murphy sticking his nose in but I do like the fact he has made changes at the top (finally) and I even like the people he selected. So who knows, maybe Murph is more competent than most of us have given him credit for. Nice Titletown District too.

Let's hope the dominoes fall in place this off-season and Pack is back in the hunt in 2019.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Archie,
My thoughts exactly!

It may be Murphy is way more competent than most believe. That while he waited a few years too long he just maybe prevented complete disaster. Hopefully the changes show immediate results.

sonomaca's picture

Jawan Taylor.

HankScorpio's picture

If you're saying Taylor should be a consideration at 12, that's interesting. Opinions are mixed on him. But people that like him, really like him.

sonomaca's picture

He’s apparently much better at right tackle, which fits nicely. Draft a right guard at #30, move Spriggs to in-line TE, and the offensive line is solid as a rock.

This will give Rodgers extra time, allow for an enhanced run game, and keep defense off the field.

sonomaca's picture

He’s apparently much better at right tackle, which fits nicely. Draft a right guard at #30, move Spriggs to in-line TE, and the offensive line is solid as a rock.

This will give Rodgers extra time, allow for an enhanced run game, and keep defense off the field.

blue eyes's picture

12 could have two Joe Thomas clones on each edge and he would look like he's on Dancing with the Stars. The guy has got to get rid of the ball. Grab up the ol in the fourth and fifth.

The TKstinator's picture

How about Joe Thomas bookends, Jerry Rice and Randy Moss at WR, and Tony Gonzalez at TE?

Bert's picture

No! It is NOT "edge or bust". Geez. It's "quality NFL player" or bust though. Too many holes to fill from a SB roster to worry about just edge. Get a top flight player with #12 and consider it a win.

stockholder's picture

Right Bert. But I'm betting they still trade Down. 2 Guys @12. Simmons who has been shunned. And Ferrel. The packers will trade down. With Cleveland. The packers get #17 and 47. While most think Polite. Brian Burns or Devin Bush should be the pick. No one doubts either. Burns is better then Polite. Why Bush? Sideline to sideline. Because he will go to the Steelers. His father was a first round. No Lb should be taken pass the first round! It's just that simple.

The TKstinator's picture

50% of rd 1 picks are busts. So take two players in the first round and figure one will produce and the other...not so much.

stockholder's picture

So do you take a probable bust, or take the can't miss with character concerns?

The TKstinator's picture

Good question!

PackEyedOptimist's picture

Hopefully Gute doesn't take a "probable bust" with ANY of our picks in the draft! :-D

dobber's picture

Depends on the nature of the character concern.

PackEyedOptimist's picture

I'd be ecstatic if the Packers got 17 and 47 for 12. That said, if it happened on Draft Day, it would depend who was sitting there at 12. If Josh Allen,
Nick Bosa, Devin White, Quinnen Williams, Christian Wilkins, or Clelin Ferrel (in that order) is there, I'm taking him. I like Bush, but Devin White is my real crush!

Jared's picture

I hope we trade down, so many holes to fill and a slightly better than average draft talent wise. Very few “first day” starters.

Packerpasty's picture

yah, Ted showed that trading down really worked wonders...look at all the slugs he bypassed...nothing wrong with a bunch of jag's....like they already have....

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Most serious studies conclude that trading down is always the correct decision. I agree except at the very top of the draft which is undervalued in those studies due to the methodology used to measure a player's success. NFL teams need difference-makers.

Dorsey is not stupid: he won't trade 17 and 47 for pick 12 unless Bosa or Quinnen Williams (who might be the best player in the draft, if not the most valuable) is sitting there.

stockholder's picture

Correct. Trades are to help get that player you Need. /Want. Can you afford it? The List of Browns needs: CB/IDL/LB. You try Free Agency First. The trade suggestion was based on IDL. Meaning Oliver or Simmons won't make it past 12. The Browns [email protected] To low to get that second best IDL. If the packers want an extra pick and their True goal of Edge. Dorsey offers his trade. Knowing the packers want that edge player instead. The packers will listen to all offers before their selection. We saw how bad the Saints wanted Davenport last year. If Dorsey doesn't like the drop off in a position of need. He offers that trade. I picked the Browns because of Atlanta.and Carrolina, wanting a IDL First. Not because of Dorsey.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I take it back. I have an extremely low opinion of NO's GM Loomis, despite his recent success in the draft. Still, you have a point: I didn't think a GM would offer quite that much to move up to #14.

So, your scenario or something similar is possible.

bjoost's picture

its pass rush and pass protect or bust....Opposing QBs have too much time and Rodgers moves out of pocket too fast. It will be a bust season if they dont improve those two areas...imho

HankScorpio's picture

Top 12 is where you pick the blue chip positions--OT, CB, pass rusher and QB. You have to be a really special talent at another position to be considered at 12.

This draft class is really deep with pass rushers, which is the clear need of those blue chip positions. If one of the Big 5 pass rushers is there, take him. If not, it means someone with special talent dropped so take him.

stockholder's picture

Kiper 1.0 = Bosa ,Allen, Williams. Top 3 @8 White ,@9 Gary,@12 Ferrel. @14 Oliver Weight ?, @15 Polite Falling, @16 Burns,@17 Simmons, @20 Bush, @ 25 Sweat Rising Big Time after senior Bowl! These guys are your top rushers.

HankScorpio's picture

Kiper is one of the draft evaluators I completely ignore. Generally speaking, I don't pay attention to anything ESPN-related. They thought it was a good idea to give us Skip Bayless (and Kiper for that matter). So I don't trust anything from them.

Based on my dozens of Fanspeak simulations, I'm beginning to develop a draft crush on Brian Burns. Usually either he or Jachai Polite are available. When both are, I will gravitate toward Burns. On rare occasion, the other is available at 30 and I don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Running so many of them as a diversion waiting for real news is how I'm coming to really, really want Hockenson at 30. Most of the time my first round is Burns/Polite and Hockenson. So, of course, none of those 3 will actually become Packers. :)

PackEyedOptimist's picture

Agreed H.S. I stopped listening to Kiper years ago. He may have made following the draft more of "thing," but I was a draftnik for 20 years before HE showed up. I have never seen evidence that Kiper knows any more than any average draftnik.

PackEyedOptimist's picture

I'm also a Brian Burns fan. I prefer him to Polite by quite a bit, and I like his tape better than Sweat's, but I do think Sweat might be a better pick for the Packers, as I think he can grow into a true edge flex DE/OLB.

I'm currently hoping for one of these who might reasonably be there at 30: DL Zach Allen, OL Dalton Risner, TE TJ Hockenson, WR DK Metcalf (assuming his neck checks out). I'm a huge Z Allen fan--I think he'll go earlier than most mocks are predicting.

I'm not big on the Hockenson pick, because I see lots of good TE prospects in the middle rounds--they may not block like Hockenson, but many of them look to be even better receivers.

Packerpasty's picture

I think Hockenson's teammate TE is just as good maybe better in the passing game...both are 1st or high 2nd rounders...

MarkinMadison's picture

Most draftniks are rating Fant higher than Hockenson. Allegedly he has more speed; maybe, I'm not 100% sold on Fant's speed. Fand does at times seem to create a little more separation, and I think his hands are clearly better. Hockenson is a bit beefier. He blocks much better, and has no problem catching the ball with guys draped all over him at the college level. From what I understand I think LeFleur's system would probably lean more towards Hockenson than Fant.

stockholder's picture

Burns and Sweat have the size I want. Polite doesn't! Sweat had Simmons. Burns weight is an issue for some. If were only after a Power Rush player. Ferrel and sweat are that. Even Simmons. Don't take Polite. If we want coverage, they put in Burks. I have to go with Burns because I like Height. And Burns looks like he can tackle! Point: Take Burns. #30 You have a choice. Mack Wilson who faded in the playoff games, TE Fant. or Omennihu. I'm taking Charles Omennihu, Edge, Height, and Bull rush. People wanted Ferrel. This guy is going to be just as good. The second round is where you take a Guard. Lindstrom is my favorite. I agree on taking a Te later. Jace sternberger works. If he 's gone, take another OL here. Biegal taught the packers a lesson. Size at OLB! Or they wasted the picks on burks.

jannes bjornson's picture

Why waste a #12 on a guy that will be rag-dolled by OTs until he packs on 25-30 lbs and hits the weight room? Need a guy to contribute not develop. We already have Fackerell for that.

KeepErMovin's picture

Agreed on generally ignoring Kiper. Matt Miller is the one I pay most attention to.

Burns gives me Jamal Reynolds flashbacks, (undersized Florida State pass rusher) but I understand the immense upside he offers.

jannes bjornson's picture

Tony Pauline and Walters.

dobber's picture

Mel Kiper on draft day is the equivalent of English-only speaking Americans traveling abroad. He believes that he can get people to buy in by yelling, spitting, and gesticulating, even if it makes no sense at all.

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

Stockholder,
Love your draft enthusiasm. I too was a draft nick enthusiast for many decades. What I have found is all too often the Pack's first round pick is not who you wanted. It sits you up for unnecessary frustration. I hope when it is finally done and over with that you can be happy with whomever the Pack drafted. There usually are reasons why they draft someone where they do over others that us mere fans are unaware of.

Keep up your enthusiasm and entertaining the rest of us. Thanks!

Archie's picture

Excellent logic/strategy.

Richard Smith's picture

At this specific time (we haven't had the combine yet, if it matters that much) I would take Polite at 12. I think you could trade back a few spots and get Sweat or Burns. With that said, the one player I want GB to go for at 30, if possible, is OT/G Dalton Risner. I think he is the can't miss O lineman, and what we have been missing since Lang left. We can grab a TE in the mid second round. They take a year or two to develop anyway. Risner and an Edge with the first two picks and I'm a happy camper.

dblbogey's picture

Give me a difference maker at edge, Hockenson and Risner. Make some deals and get er done.

The TKstinator's picture

Gimme two beasts and line them up almost anywhere: edge, OT, S, G, TE.
Too many holes, not enough beasts.

Daren726's picture

We’ve been getting our good PL in the fourth round (baktiari). I think we can wait a round or two to get quality lineman. Go for the impact position in the first round.

HankScorpio's picture

This draft is said to be devoid of beasts that play Safety. About the only one is Nasir Adderly. After that, as Gov Tarkin said to Lord Vader, "You're taking an awful risk if this doesn't work"

I'm reading mixed opinions about the quality of OL depth. Some draftniks like it and some don't.

Lots of beast edge rushers and TEs, tho. Going that route is not so risky. Pretty much everything I am reading says so.

PackEyedOptimist's picture

I like to see Adderley as a poor-man's Woodson, but I also see Juan Thornhill as a poor-man's Nick Collins, so I'd add him to your "44 and beyond" safety prospects.

KeepErMovin's picture

Thornhill is a VERY poor mans Nick Collins. As in he doesn't have the range, ball skills, or short area quickness to play FS.

Adderley on the other hand would be an Ideal FS for GB. He has all the range you want and is a willing tackler. I would take him at 30 all day.

PackEyedOptimist's picture

I'm curious why you think that, KEM. Thornhill's Harris Highlights and his game tape against Miami show a kid with GREAT ball skills. He is always in the right position and made a lot of athletic interceptions (with good runbacks). He also played slot corner is and is a high-energy player. His interview on YouTube is interesting as well; he's a friendly, small town kid, who had to work hard to play at Virginia, and he won multiple State Championships in Basketball and football. Watching him on the field reminds me a LOT of how Nick Collins moved and played.

The TKstinator's picture

The TKstinator is a destitute man’s Nick Collins.

Swisch's picture

If the Packers think one of the edge rushers is especially likely to be great, they should be willing to trade up to get him.
If they think there are a lot of edge rushers who are exciting prospects but about the same, they may want to actually trade down, or draft an edge rusher at #30.
I would think, in any case, we need an edge rusher somewhere in our top three picks -- and possibly two altogether in the draft.
I would add that our first priority, even if not any of our first two or three picks, should be offensive line. Protect Rodgers!

sonomaca's picture

Yup. Good offensive line class. Get two in first round, TE or safety in second.

Rodgers is less mobile. He takes a long time to throw. He needs time. Also need more run blocking in new scheme.

Spriggs is your in-line TE, obviously.

stockholder's picture

I'm going to tell you why this won't happen. if Arron Rodgers gets hurt, he's done. They'll pick a new QB as soon as he goes down. Defense early this draft. You take the offense late for value. @12 IT should be cm3s replacement: The more I see of Burns, the more I like him. Or Wilkersons: Simmons. (who will be an All Star.)

Guam's picture

I think it is more likely the Packers get O-line and safety help in free agency than through the draft. Although we won't know for certain for a few weeks yet, it appears there will be several quality safeties (Thomas, Mathieu, Boston) and right guards (Saffold) available in free agency.

Conversely, the free agency pool for edge rushers appears to be thin.

I think (and hope) what happens in free agency is going to have a major impact on our draft strategy.

PackEyedOptimist's picture

That's my hope and expectation as well. I think Gute gets a free agent, starting-quality RG and S before the draft. Then he can pick players to groom at those positions in the fourth round or later.

porupack's picture

Definitely the wise move to get FA Safety, since good ones can be brought in for less money than impact FA OLBs, CBs and OTs.

Then draft safety in 3rd or 4th round.

Focus on OLB and TE with first 3 picks. More pass rush = improve CB/Safety play. The two units have to be elevated in sync, and leaving a weakness, just keeps the whole D average. We got promising CBs, now get the pass rushers that are able to win one on one.

Lphill's picture

I would not be surprised if at 12 they take an inside linebacker then the best available edge at 30, tight end 2nd round.

PackEyedOptimist's picture

Devin White for the win!

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

The Pack already have all the inside LB's they need with returning injured players, Morrison, Burke, and hopefully Matthews.

Agreed FA is the key in setting up the Packers for the draft. If they pick up 'starting caliber' players at OL and Safety the Packers are really positioned to draft BPA at edge, DL, TE, OL as the draft falls to them.

I am a believer the Pack needs defensive rushers two of first three picks. I believe Tonyan is going to be better than many believe but they do need either a TE or a really good explosive slot WR (probably my preference). Tonyan has speed and athletism for the middle. Get a great slot WR and this offensive is unstoppable. As I said....FA is huge for the Pack!

Lphill's picture

cant pass on Devin White if he is there at 12.

PackEyedOptimist's picture

Agreed. In my opinion White is the most explosive "beast" in this draft. In Pettine's defense, White could end up well past 10 sacks a year.

KeepErMovin's picture

Can we just all agree with this?

12: Jachai Polite - EDGE
30: TJ Hockenson - TE
44: Nasir Adderley - Safety
75: D'Andre Walker - EDGE
107: Beau Benzschawel - OG
111: Darnell Savage Jr - Safety
139: Jace Sternberger -TE
171: Penny Hart - WR
180: Nate Davis - OG
202: Tony Pollard - WR/RB

Oppy's picture

Do you know why you capitalize the entire word “edge”?

KeepErMovin's picture

Meh, for fun?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

No.

bjoost's picture

pretty close keeper...but the need for OT is too great to skip. And a rookie safety is no help this year. OT at 44.

Oppy's picture

My sincere admiration and respect to the author and all of the users who don’t capitalize the entire word “edge” for seemingly no reason at all.

Thanks for bucking what must be a silly marketing ploy that some sportswriter came up with to try and get his term widely accepted.

KeepErMovin's picture

You must be a blast at parties...

Skip greenBayless's picture

lol.. that was one edgy comment.

Dash

Oppy's picture

Actually, I really am a blast at parties.

AgrippaLII's picture

I'd like to see Gute stand pat at #12 and take the best player on his board regardless of what position he plays...but I can see him trading down for the right offer.

PAPackerbacker's picture

I wouldn't say it's edge or bust but taking a top ranked player at #12 at edge would be a wise decision. And so would a top ranked OL. And for pick #30 a top ranked TE would be a sound choice. And possibly another edge rusher or even a safety at #44. And maybe another OL at #75. Polite, Sweat, or Burns. TJ Hockenson perhaps at TE. Adderly for safety. OL, Greg Little, Dalton Risner, or David Edwards. Some of these players will be off the board when it's the Packers turn but all are good prospects. Many holes to fill. But any of these players would fill a need. With Milt Hendrickson now working for the Packers he will add a lot of experience in the scouting department.

Packerpasty's picture

Safety upgrade should come from the F/A market...my humble opinion but I'm usually always right...in fact the Pack HAS to upgrade safety from guys already in the league, not rook with 3 year learning curve..

PAPackerbacker's picture

I would agree with that as long as the FA didn't command to much salary. Experience at the safety position would, or should, be, better than a rookie. But not always the case.

stockholder's picture

I keep thinking the same thing. T. Williams did just as good as Dix. And Brice /Jones were terrible. But I believe this can be fixed with in. And I'm saying T. Brown can do it better then any Rookie at FS. (2FF 30 tackles. ) I would love Collins at SS. But I'm going to say he's to pricey.

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