Rodgers comes in at #1 QB in sixth annual Quarterback Tiers survey

Aaron Rodgers stands atop the sixth annual survey of NFL coaches and personnel people. 

A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations.

That's the tier personnel people voted to put Aaron Rodgers in the sixth annual Quarterback Tiers survey as compiled by Mike Sando (formerly of ESPN, now writing for The Athletic)

From Sando

Fifty-five NFL coaches and executives contributed to the survey this year by placing all veteran starting quarterbacks into one of five tiers and then offering insights into their thinking.

Tier 1 is reserved for the best, while Tier 5 is so poor that no starters received a majority of votes in that tier this year.

Once ballots were in, I averaged the results to create a ranking. The Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers commanded 53 Tier 1 votes and two Tier 2 votes, creating a 1.04 average that narrowly landed him atop the rankings despite a tumultuous 2018 season, generating a rich, lively discussion among voters. By proceeding past this introduction, you’ll enjoy a front-row seat for some of the most candid discussions among those voters — not just for Rodgers, but for all quarterbacks.

The rankings are not gospel. No single voter agrees with the final results exactly. There are quarterbacks I’d move higher or lower if filling out my own ballot. This is a composite look at what the league thinks of its quarterbacks and why.

Here's what the personnel folks had to say about Rodgers:

Rodgers has at least tied for the top spot six times in six years of QB Tiers balloting, but some voters were less enthusiastic this time around. Two even placed Rodgers in the second tier, the first time Rodgers received a second-tier vote since 2014, when he was coming off an injury.

“It was always Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy’s fault, and when it gets to be two people’s fault, then you wonder,” a GM who nonetheless placed Rodgers in the top tier said. “You see the body language and then you realize the heroics come when there is nothing to lose.”

Those most critical of Rodgers raised concerns about him becoming less coachable, going for big plays instead of running the offense, failing to get Green Bay into the playoffs and losing some dynamism through cumulative injuries.

“Guys like Rodgers get canonized and put on a pedestal so high that it’s hard for the coach to keep up,” said a coach who placed Rodgers in the top tier. “Someone has to tell him, ‘Listen, if you do that again, I’m going to kick you right in the balls.”

A different coach had a different message for Rodgers: “Please, come to my team!”

The coach who thought legendary QBs sometimes need a figurative kick below the belt thought Brett Favre missed that type of hard coaching later in his career. Another veteran coach saw similarities among Rodgers, Dan Marino and Tony Romo later in their careers, suggesting all three became tougher to coach.

“Rodgers is a stud,” a veteran defensive coordinator pushed back. “That’s a bitch right there. It is never dead with Rodgers. He has eyes in the back of his head. Special.”

Another voter explained that “since we do not know what plays are called and we do not know what his audible ability is from the outside, I’m looking at this as who do you want on your team and who is hardest to defend by your definitions? Rodgers comes out tops on both.”

Another Rodgers defender said he charted all the catchable passes Rodgers delivered that were not caught through the bulk of last season. His conclusion: Rodgers’ incomplete passes were better than a lot of starters’ highlights.

“Debating whether Rodgers is in the top tier is the equivalent of asking whether LeBron James is the best basketball player,” a defensive backs coach said, “because he is just so gifted with some of his abilities, and there is no way you can say a Matt Ryan is better even though there could be some years statistically where a case can be made.”

The Packers obviously could have done more to support Rodgers. Some voters also thought Green Bay would benefit from offensive scheme changes.

“Rodgers is the only one that can do everything with the least talent,” a different defensive coordinator said. “Brady makes Tier 1 decisions but cannot carry the team in the same way. New England has the system and the running game. Put all the other quarterbacks on that (Packers) team and who do you think would succeed? Not many.”

 

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Jonathan Spader's picture

July 22, 2019 at 11:45 pm

“Guys like Rodgers get canonized and put on a pedestal so high that it’s hard for the coach to keep up,” said a coach who placed Rodgers in the top tier. “Someone has to tell him, ‘Listen, if you do that again, I’m going to kick you right in the balls.”

How is a man woth a torn ACL supposed to kick Rodgers in the balls? I'd rather see Rodgers kick Pierre in the balls. Good thing Rodgers has pin point accuracy. Can you say unappreciative?

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AdamMPrice's picture

July 23, 2019 at 03:26 am

I’d just like to see him take more chances this season. I don’t want him to lead the league in throw-aways again. We should have the defense, again finally, to make interceptions matter less anyways...

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Samson's picture

July 23, 2019 at 01:16 pm

According to the new regime, most of those throw-aways will end up being simple hand-offs to the RB or swing passes to the RB or quick outs to a wide open WR.

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Lare's picture

July 23, 2019 at 05:30 am

You can't just judge a football player on the success of the team. Football is a team sport. You can take a great QB and he won't win with inferior coaching and talent around him.

Case in point- how many Super Bowls did Dan Marino win?

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Coldworld's picture

July 23, 2019 at 06:04 am

Thinking exactly the same thing.

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Johnblood27's picture

July 23, 2019 at 01:01 pm

So, you are saying that Don Shula was a sub par coach?

Were you around to see the Don Shula years?

How many Dolphins games did you watch when Marino was playing?

I live in Fla all of those years well before the NFL sunday ticket and well before the TB Bucs as well as the johnny come lately Jags. The phins were the only show on tv and I was a football junkie even as a Packer fan I watched.

Put down the statistics sheets and pull up some old video and see what actually happened on the field before you throw judgements around based on some ink on a piece of paper.

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Samson's picture

July 23, 2019 at 01:19 pm

So you're saying "football is NOT a team sport"?
Find one other person to agree with you & then there'll be two of you.

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fastmoving's picture

July 23, 2019 at 03:02 pm

For some guys its only a team sport when we lose. If we win its just because of AR because he can walk over water. But he was not that big since a couple of years and besides that magical run, as he was the best on the planet by far, he has only 3 playoff season, where you can argue that he carried the Pack on his shoulders

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marpag1's picture

July 24, 2019 at 09:14 am

Judging any QB on the basis of "multiple super bowl wins" is just dumb. In the entire history of the NFL, only 12 QBs have won multiple super bowls. Of those 12, only 3 are playing today. Two of those 3 are Roethlisberger and Eli Manning. Does anybody think that the Packers would have been better off having Roethlisberger or Eli Manning instead of Aaron Rodgers?

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Pierre's picture

July 23, 2019 at 06:27 am

There’s no way Rodgers should not have lead the Packers’ offense to beat Seattle in that championship game, being up 16-0...with four defensive turnovers by his defense in the first half...and at least gotten the Packers to another Super Bowl that season. With four turnovers in the opponent’s territory that’s a game any decent QB should win and get into the SB. His defense kept giving him the ball in great field position yet he could not convert TDs in the first half nor could he keep a 16-0 lead in the second half. That’s a game the defense played great in but Rodgers did not capitalize on it with a Super Bowl on the line. Not clutch at all in that most memorable and disastrous game for Green Bay.

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Spock's picture

July 23, 2019 at 09:07 am

"There’s no way Rodgers should not have lead the Packers’ offense to beat Seattle in that championship game..." Pierre that would be true if Rodgers had had two working legs that day. It was heartbreaking as a fan to watch him see a wide open space to run to with his receivers blanketed and then you could see him make the decision to not run, knowing he wouldn't be able to elude even late defenders. Had Rodgers been healthy the Packers would have smashed Seattle; Wilsons' QB rating at the half was 0.0. Let me repeat that: 0.0. A mobile Rodgers would have been scoring TD's, not just field goals, and the game would have been out of reach before the ineptness of the special teams could become the disaster it turned the scoring into. Wilson got the MVP for that game-what a travesty.

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Since'61's picture

July 23, 2019 at 11:17 am

Spot on Spock. I’ve said from the beginning that if Rodgers was 100% that day the Packers win that game easily. Rodgers would have run for at least 2-3 first downs during that game which would have kept drives alive and scored at least 2 more FGs. More importantly more time would have been squeezed off the clock preventing Seattle from having the time to make their comeback.

MM and the Packers have yet to recover from that game. Until Now with a clean slate on the coaching staff and a revised defense we have a chance to move forward again. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Leatherhead's picture

July 23, 2019 at 07:44 pm

This reinforces my point about having a healthy Rodgers at the end of the season being a big advantage, but that we've got to reduce all the hits that bang you up.

Run more throw less. It'll shrink his stats, of course, but he'll feel better in December.

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porupack's picture

July 23, 2019 at 02:01 pm

wah? Did you Mr. Pierre see all the comedy of errors in the last 2 minutes of that Seattle game? None of the culprits were named Rodgers. And the culprits almost looked like they were determined to lose the game for GB. Even then, it took a perfect storm of 4 of those egregious mistakes to lose that game that was practically won up to the last 5 minutes.
If you really want to blame any single person for failure, then, like most of corporate (and sports America) believes; you go to the top, and hold the boss accountable for leadership and preparation (er lack) to get the job done.

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fastmoving's picture

July 23, 2019 at 03:05 pm

even he was on one leg, he left some on the field. There was a hurt CB and some chances…..

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murf7777's picture

July 23, 2019 at 08:11 am

Pierre, do you realize that it takes two to tango, meaning there is also a defense to go thru. Seattle at the time had one of the greatest D’s, probably top 5 over the past 50 years. There isn’t a QB in the history that didn’t fear that D. So, to basically say Arod and the team should be able to go thru them like melted butter is hogwash. That game was lost due to multiple TEAM errors, not Arod.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 24, 2019 at 04:54 pm

Rodgers is pretty good. He has the highest regular season career passer rating of all time. There's never been a QB as careful with the ball as he is, and subjectively, I've never seen a guy throw downfield better than him.

So yeah, pretty good. But you've got to put a team around him that can win without a big performance by their QB every week.

Look at the stats over the last 4 year: Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Cousins, Mahomes, Ryan...these are the best of the bunch.

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IceBowl's picture

July 24, 2019 at 09:21 pm

This cannot be possible. ARod is a malcontent. He dumps the coaches plays. He hangs on to the ball too long. He doesn't throw to open receivers. He waits until a deep play opens up.

Come on, I've read it here a 100 times.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 25, 2019 at 08:28 am

Every thing you said is true. He's good, not perfect. He does hang onto the ball and not see open guys some times. You get the bad with the good. He's been one of the top guys over the last 4 years.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 25, 2019 at 08:29 am

Whoops

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