Sorting Out the Aaron Rodgers Mess for the Packers

The Packers have overcome a lot in the first half of this season to get off to a 7-1 start. But this latest incident demonstrates that the challenges may just be beginning.

The Green Bay Packers got some bad news on Wednesday when they announced that Aaron Rodgers had tested positive for Covid-19. Rodgers will miss this week’s game in Kansas City and perhaps more action depending on how long it takes him to clear the league’s Covid-19 protocols.

But this also means that Rodgers has misled the public about his vaccination status. Back in August, Rodgers had this to say at a press conference, "I'm immunized."

NFL Network reported that Rodgers has been treated as an unvaccinated player this season at the Packers facility. It also indicated that Rodgers petitioned the NFL to be treated as vaccinated after an “alternate treatment” he received which was reportedly a process to increase his immune system. The league turned that request down.

Essentially, Rodgers played with fire and he got burned. The league’s reigning MVP has now tested positive for Covid-19 and will miss time. How long he will miss depends on how long it takes him to get out of the NFL’s Covid protocol.

Rodgers decision not to get the vaccine is a personal one, but it also shows a lack of leadership. Being the leader of a football team often means sacrificing your personal agenda for the greater good of the team. For a quarterback that can mean sacrificing personal statistics for team success. In this case, it means doing all you can to keep yourself and your teammates safe from a deadly disease that has already killed approximately 750,000 Americans. That’s more Americans who died in World War I, World War II, the Korea and Vietnam combined.

Rodgers apparently misled reporters when he said he was “immunized” since most people view immunized and vaccinated as synonyms.

The league is now investigating the Packers organization for their handling of Rodgers and their players since the Packers did not have Rodgers masked up when he held press conferences which were held indoors inside the Packers facility.

Wednesday, the NFL released a statement saying, “The primary responsibility for the enforcement of the Covid protocols within club facilities rests with each club. Failure to properly enforce the protocols has resulted in discipline being assessed against individual clubs in the past. The league is aware of the current situation in Green Bay and will be reviewing the matter with the Packers.”

Depending on the league’s investigation, the Packers could be fined or face other penalties.

On the field, this becomes another obstacle the 2021 Packers must overcome. The team has already lost Pro Bowl cornerback Jaire Alexander, All Pro tackle David Bakhtiari, Pro Bowl edge rusher Za’Darius Smith and Pro Bowl offensive lineman Elgton Jenkins for several games while starters like Josh Myers, Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Kevin King have also missed substantial playing time due to injuries. The team has managed to win seven straight games despite missing all these key players for several games. Now they need try to win without their franchise quarterback.

Head coach Matt LaFleur was not backing down from the difficult task ahead. “I said hey, it's a great challenge. Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. We all have to prepare to the best of our ability to go down there and get a win, and that's the mindset,” LaFleur told reporters on Wednesday. “We have a game to play. It's the next-man-up mentality and that's how we've operated for everybody. I think our guys will rally around Jordan. We've got a lot of confidence in him, and what a great opportunity for him to showcase what he can do.”

Love is now the “next man up.” LaFleur will now have to devise a game plan that revolves around what Love does best and try to stay away from areas of the game plan that an inexperienced quarterback like Love may struggle at.

One of the biggest differences between Rodgers and Love is that few quarterbacks read defenses or remember tendencies and formations as well as Rodgers. Rodgers has been in the NFL since 2005 and has been the Packers starting quarterback since 2008. Love has yet to start a game in his brief NFL career.

LaFleur said Love seems ready for his first NFL start. “We talk about having that no-flinch mentality and I didn't see any flinch in him,” LaFleur said. “I think he's excited about the opportunity, and I think he'll prepare the right way and give it everything he has.”

The one advantage the Packers have is that they are facing a Chiefs defense that is ranked 29th in yards allowed per game and 28th in points allowed. They are also 29th in the league with just 11 sacks through eight games.

The Packers have overcome a lot in the first half of this season to get off to a 7-1 start. But this latest incident demonstrates that the challenges may just be beginning.

You can follow Gil Martin on Twitter @GilPackers

NFL Categories: 
16 points

Comments (293)

Fan-Friendly This filter will hide comments which have ratio of 5 to 1 down-vote to up-vote.
Guitar dan's picture

November 04, 2021 at 04:15 pm

Drama Queen…….but a damn good QB!
It’ll be ok folks

17 points
18
1
Bitternotsour's picture

November 05, 2021 at 06:32 pm

dang. it appears that aaron is getting his medical advice from greg jennings sister. time, is a flat circle, man.

1 points
1
0
CoachDino's picture

November 06, 2021 at 02:25 am

he's morea narcitist. sorry to see the silly covid ww's rerence et all used. bound to stir controversy. the common cold has even more, though i cant name one person i know or even public figure who died due to covid, tha points made about ar action stand. some things r bigger than yourself, im not even judging on the vac, its the deceit that displays for all to see your charecter, so its fine for you to make choices based on info avail, but depriving others of data, your vaccine status, to make informed decisions is beneath him. ar is part of an union thatnegotiated the guidelines. he is thus obligated to follow them or take a leave of absence. he pulled the same thing in essence with his contract, didnt like it, tried to subvert it through decptive actions. both times with little too no consideration of the team, teammates, fans, media etc

0 points
1
1
Letfreedomring's picture

November 06, 2021 at 12:45 pm

He's speaking up for human rights when everyone else is scared to speak up in fear of being fired or cut. Rodgers is the only one in the NFL with balls. The media will continue to hate and slander him as that's what they're paid to do. Media is owned and controlled by just a few major companies who have their agenda which is aligned with the government. Anyone who speaks out agaisnt these human rights issues will be dealt with harshly. Nobody I mean nobody on mainstream media will support Rodgers not one person will support him.

Discrimination is against the Civil Rights Act and Rodgers is speaking out against this opression. We did this stupid crap over 60 years ago and there's no need to discriminate against humans again no matter if it's for religious, race, medical or any other purpose. The NFL is in the wrong and Rodgers must sue them after he wins the Packers a SB.

0 points
2
2
Letfreedomring's picture

November 06, 2021 at 12:45 pm

He's speaking up for human rights when everyone else is scared to speak up in fear of being fired or cut. Rodgers is the only one in the NFL with balls. The media will continue to hate and slander him as that's what they're paid to do. Media is owned and controlled by just a few major companies who have their agenda which is aligned with the government. Anyone who speaks out agaisnt these human rights issues will be dealt with harshly. Nobody I mean nobody on mainstream media will support Rodgers not one person will support him.

Discrimination is against the Civil Rights Act and Rodgers is speaking out against this opression. We did this stupid crap over 60 years ago and there's no need to discriminate against humans again no matter if it's for religious, race, medical or any other purpose. The NFL is in the wrong and Rodgers must sue them after he wins the Packers a SB.

0 points
2
2
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 06, 2021 at 04:17 pm

Thanx for having my back Bro!

0 points
0
0
HarryHodag's picture

November 04, 2021 at 04:37 pm

One point no one or organization has talked about: how ill is Aaron Rodgers? If he gets real sick he could suffer long term problems.

The chatter today from the NFL reporters seems to indicate the league office is going to come down hard on the Packers for allowing this to happen and essentially covering it up.

Many folks seem to forget Rodgers had management walking on egg shells and I suspect they didn't want to confront him about COVID protocols so soon after the off-season fiasco.

I feel sorry for Matt LF, having to deal with Rodgers and now this.

20 points
25
5
BigZ's picture

November 04, 2021 at 05:55 pm

Yeah, no kidding. Considering this all came out on his birthday.

If the NFL does come down hard on us, they had better have that same energy for all the other players that have done things like this. Though, that Halloween party that he was at is probably the most damning.

2 points
5
3
GregC's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:24 pm

You're the first person I know of who's mentioned the possibility that Rodgers will actually get sick. A.J. Dillon missed five weeks with COVID last year, in pre-vaccine days, and Rodgers is older than Dillon, so who knows, he could miss several games. Rodgers put management in a tough spot with his off-season shenanigans. They put up with it, and now they are paying the price.

1 points
5
4
4thand1's picture

November 04, 2021 at 10:24 pm

AR can afford all the best treatment to stop covid from severe illness. He'll put all the experimental drugs in his body to get better, but wouldn't get vaccinated, WTF. He could still get really really sick and end his career in GB after all.

4 points
6
2
GregC's picture

November 05, 2021 at 05:17 am

It's so aggravating. When the vaccines first came out, I was talking to a lady who works in an assisted living facility where multiple residents had died of COVID and she was constantly having to work double shifts because of workers testing positive. She said she wasn't going to get vaccinated because the vaccine was "too new." She would rather get a new virus that has killed millions of people than a new vaccine that has killed a handful of people and is remarkably effective.

3 points
8
5
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:00 am

Mayo did a study a few months ago and found the vaccine 42% effective. Since then, in some areas, it is below 40%.

The deaths due to the vaccine is incredibly under-reported in CDC's VAERS database and even there deaths are reporting over 14,000 mRNA deaths and nearly 900,000 vaccine related injuries including myocarditis, paralysis and spinal cord tumors among many other insults. I guess some may thing that is a "handful".

The mRNA injuries and deaths are many times higher than those from ALL VACCINES used over the last 20 years.

-7 points
5
12
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:18 am

Bullshit, and more bullshit. Gtfo .

2 points
8
6
flackcatcher's picture

November 06, 2021 at 01:45 pm

LP is right about the numbers. As a Marine GOFO (General Officer/Flag Officer) I see the raw, RAW data every day. Not the 'edited' crap that 'serious media' like the New York Times or Intercept put out. As badly as the US government has handled this in both the Trump and Biden Administrations, the overall numbers have dropped like a stone as our population has become immune mostly from natural exposure with one of the three vaccines putting us over the top. What is needed now more than ever, is some serious thinking about what we do next post Covid. Rather than this continuing fear mongering that is going on in some high quarters of our current government.

0 points
0
0
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:00 am

Mayo did a study a few months ago and found the vaccine 42% effective. Since then, in some areas, it is below 40%.

The deaths due to the vaccine is incredibly under-reported in CDC's VAERS database and even there deaths are reporting over 14,000 mRNA deaths and nearly 900,000 vaccine related injuries including myocarditis, paralysis and spinal cord tumors among many other insults. I guess some may thing that is a "handful".

The mRNA injuries and deaths are many times higher than those from ALL VACCINES used over the last 20 years.

-6 points
4
10
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:33 am

Without direct references you throw out made up numbers of deaths and we’re supposed accept them. Hears what the CDC VAERS SAYS ABOUT MAKING JUDGEMENTS FROM THESE REPORTED NUMBERS!

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

Are all events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) caused by vaccination?

illustration of hands typing on laptop
No. VAERS data alone cannot determine if the reported adverse event was caused by a COVID-19 vaccination. Anyone can report events to VAERS, even if it is not clear whether a vaccine caused the problem. Some VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. These adverse events are studied by vaccine safety experts who look for unusually high numbers of health problems, or a pattern of problems, after people receive a particular vaccine.

Recently, the number of deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination has been misinterpreted and misreported as if this number means deaths that were proven to be caused by vaccination. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.

Disclaimer

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same scientific limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

3 points
8
5
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:59 pm

Here you go, Lazy Bones. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/08/11/vaccine-effectiveness

(psst, it took me 10 seconds)

0 points
3
3
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:04 pm

You can also look up Vaers data on CDC.

1 points
3
2
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 05, 2021 at 04:13 pm

That was an overview that you pulled out of context. There was a clear caveat that the data reported was prepublication and not peer reviewed as well as a very small study in a limited part of the country. You’re post is almost totally inaccurate.

3 points
4
1
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:01 am

Double post

-2 points
0
2
Philarod's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:04 am

Triple?

2 points
2
0
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:55 pm

yes, dang it.

0 points
0
0
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 05, 2021 at 04:26 pm

u0022anchor-target comment-anchor-target\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment post-comment\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022wrap-comment\u0022\u003E\n\n\t \u003Cdiv class=\u0022columns is-multiline is-mobile block\u0022\u003E\n

0 points
0
0
WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:24 pm

Why couldn't he get the monoclonal antibody treatment. That seems to kind of stop the virus in its tracks.

0 points
1
1
Irish_Cheesehead's picture

November 04, 2021 at 10:29 pm

I have a friend in his 30s who was a damn good triathlete. It’s been a year since he had COVID and he can barely walk down a flight of stairs. You never know who it will hit the hardest.

5 points
6
1
Coldworld's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:00 am

If you want a cautionary story about what Covid can do to a professional footballer, look up the player we just signed to our practice squad, Armstead.

He lost his entire 2020 season to Covid, was hospitalized twice and was still deemed unfit to play as of June this year. Here is a summary (prior to the June 2021 release by another team).

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31462222/jacksonville-jaguars-waive-...

2 points
2
0
Bearmeat's picture

November 05, 2021 at 01:10 pm

Our QB is a smart guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Meaning, he's a dumb ass.

4 points
5
1
WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:28 pm

Exactly how do you "know" Rodgers thinks he's smarter than everyone else? Do you hang out with the guy? Or do you just make assumptions about the guy? I know many highly educated, very intelligent, and yes even medical folks that made a personal decision not to get a vaccine. I don't think a single one of those folks consider themselves "smarter" than everyone else. You really have zero insight into why #12 has made the decisions he's made.

-2 points
0
2
Bure9620's picture

November 05, 2021 at 10:15 pm

He just put on a 47 minute display of righteous indignation while simultaneously spreading disinformation....

2 points
2
0
Michael Nault's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:04 pm

you have such a way with words.....lol

0 points
0
0
dobber's picture

November 05, 2021 at 01:59 pm

Armstead was an interesting HWS prospect when he came out a couple years ago--big guy with good stopwatch speed. My recollection was that he struggled to stay healthy in college, though. For his sake, I'm glad he apparently has gotten over the complications of Covid.

1 points
2
1
Crankbait's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:03 pm

Do you actually think that Rodgers is the only NFL player whi is unjabbed ?

1 points
2
1
Bitternotsour's picture

November 05, 2021 at 04:24 pm

Saw his interview today. Apparently Covid exposure makes you really stupid too.

4 points
4
0
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 04:38 pm

The good news today is that there no more players seem to have been added to the Covid reserve. That is a step in the right direction.

25 points
25
0
Alberta_Packer's picture

November 04, 2021 at 05:14 pm

Hopefully that remains - although it may take up to 14 days for covid symptoms to appear after exposure. So considering Rodgers Halloween (spreader) bash - the team may yet not be out of the woods.

4 points
7
3
jurp's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:00 pm

Yeah, it's days-early to breathe a sigh of relief. I was working at our City Hall last November when a staffer there tested positive on a Tuesday. She almost certainly got it at an unmasked birthday party nine days earlier, but she wasn't ill until the day before the test, eight days after exposure.

-1 points
2
3
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:09 pm

Was more if a one day at a time … one small step sentiment

2 points
2
0
CWolf's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:33 am

True, but my guess is, the players get tested (Packers are in different protocols now because of players testing positive). That doesn't mean there will be no more bad news, but it wouldn't take 14 days to find out. Fingers crossed...

1 points
1
0
dobber's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:50 pm

I saw Yiadom on the list. Do we know when he was added?

0 points
0
0
flackcatcher's picture

November 06, 2021 at 01:55 pm

Our testing protocols while improved, still have a very high number of false positives. Usually with a second test, almost 90% test negative. Interestingly, with a third test those tested all most without fail turn out negative with the virus. We still have a long way to go to get trusted tests.

0 points
0
0
Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 06, 2021 at 04:44 pm

Yiadom was added to the Covid list on Wednesday, November 3. That is the same day that AR was officially added.

0 points
0
0
Alberta_Packer's picture

November 04, 2021 at 04:48 pm

On the topic of bad news, it is more likely than not, that Rodgers "misrepresentation" (lie) will cost the Packers $, draft choice(s) and possible game(s) suspension of Rodgers by the NFL. Also it will tarnish the Packers reputation as a community-based team - seeing how management seemed to have aided and abetted Rodger's secret un-vaccination.

However, the silver lining to this calamity, may be the emergence of Jordan Love as Green Bay's next fine QB. If so, it must be attributed to karma.

2 points
17
15
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 05:15 pm

Although I’m hearing of other teams that have regarded the media room as not in the realm of football activity. I’m not convinced that aspect of this is either unique nor necessarily clearly outside of the protocol. A lot of media are indignant because it’s them and the media tends to consider itself a special class too. Really though, it’s no different than the risk taken going to a store or any commercial venue.

Let’s see what the Packers organization contravened first, if anything. LaFleur did not use the term “football space” so centrally because it is catchy I am guessing. I suspect it comes from a lawyer advising on the scope of the rules.

I am not exonerating Rodgers, just voicing skepticism at the supposed failings of the organization at this point.

13 points
14
1
Alberta_Packer's picture

November 04, 2021 at 05:32 pm

I'm sure that something will surface - no matter how minor/major - showing that management was in breach of protocol. Good point about an indigent media. The problem here, is that it is on a national scale and I've always found the NFL to be hyper-sensitive to this type of coverage - which does not augur well for the Packers.

-2 points
3
5
4thand1's picture

November 04, 2021 at 10:26 pm

The league knew he wasn't vaccinated

7 points
9
2
BrettGB's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:36 am

Exactly. People are making waaaaay too bug a deal out of this. His statement to the media was misleading, but both the Packers and the league knew he was unvaccinated. I don't see the issue here past being annoyed that he mislead the public. Minus the fact that he's now missing at least a game because he was unvaccinated, obviously, but that's a different topic.

3 points
6
3
Alberta_Packer's picture

November 05, 2021 at 10:48 am

It's a moot point. Teams are responsible for the implementation and the policing of the covid protocols - not the League. If a team fails to do so, then the League will step-in with penalties - like it did with New Orleans and New England. So the worst is yet to come for GB.

2 points
3
1
Washyourhandswashyourbutt17's picture

November 05, 2021 at 05:44 am

It isn’t more likely than not. It’s highly unlikely most of those things occur outside of fines which seem likely for Rodgers, maybe the Packers but that’s more unclear pending investigation results. Jay glazer already reported no suspension to occur. Rodgers didn’t lie to the league or to the packers, they knew since day 1. He’s been following protocols inside the packers football facilities the entire time according to Lafleur and the NFL, so a coverup is highly unlikely . Rodgers gave an answer to the media that misled them, and it’s actually been since reported that the timing of that press conference is inline with when Rodgers was in talks with the league for his antibody treatment to be approved as “vaccination status” and he hadnt been told no yet. May not change people’s minds, but it’s not an outright lie the media wants to make it to be. Other unvaxxed players around the league have been maskless on the sidelines and in press conferences all year long so that’s another unlikely punishment. What there’s precedent for is him being unmasked indoors in a gathering with players or the public (the Halloween party), so it’s likely to assume a small fine is coming.

9 points
11
2
BrettGB's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:54 am

Very well said, Wash.

-1 points
2
3
Joknows's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:44 am

You know how I know you're stupid. Get back on your tricycle and rejoin your traveling clown parade alberta.

-9 points
1
10
Alberta_Packer's picture

November 05, 2021 at 10:59 am

The vast majority of CHTV commenters respectfully adhere to football only topics and posts. If you want to troll - you're on the wrong site.

5 points
6
1
dobber's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:58 am

Silverstein's take this morning...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/11/05/why-aaron-r...

He's right: ARod is NFL royalty. He makes the league money. We saw what happened with Brady and the Pats when they were doing things that disrupted the even playing field and openly flirted with damaging the on-field integrity of the game (filming, deflategate, etc.). They got fined and Brady did serve a suspension the following season.

This doesn't come anywhere near the level of those kinds of infractions, in my mind. FInes, yes. I think that's likely. The Packers might forfeit a pick (note that NE only lost a 6th rounder in the deflategate scenario, and were hit with forfeiture of a first for spygate) if they're found to be negligent in enforcing Covid policies, but I think that's unlikely.

3 points
4
1
Joknows's picture

November 06, 2021 at 12:24 pm

I find it quite comical how half of you liberal political nut jobs have your panties in a bunch over a grown man making a choice (you know liberty and freedom and all that jazz) to not get vaccinated and pursue alternate treatments. But yet you are to scared to have an opinion about Henry Ruggs driving 157 mph with his 20 yr old gf in the car drunk AF killing a woman and her dog. Lets hang ARod but you know Henry its cool we feel sad for you and too scared to talk about it bc he's a different ethnicity your so "woke" LMFAO!!! pathetic and spineless wimps

0 points
0
0
Reghamster's picture

November 08, 2021 at 08:34 am

Henry was quickly removed from the Raiders . Somehow I missed anyone criticizing the Raiders for doing that and somehow defending Henry. Can you cite some examples ? His tragic behavior will no doubt land him in jail for a quite a time. I think roughly 100 out of 100 agree with that. It is why there is a law covering it !
Rodgers didn't do anything illegal but be did lie about his covid status several times. The most recent being his this claim that he is allergic to the vaccine . If he were, the league would have granted him an exemption and he could have informed people of it ... but it is another lie obviously. People are bothered that he has perhaps recklessly exposed people who say at a Halloween party didn't realize his status. It is just selfish self interest that has now backfired and limited his post football career. It does sound like he could become a non sports reporter for some right wing news outlet that you perhaps tune into Mr Knows .
Meanwhile I have to get back to the Monster Woke practice range to focus my new cross hairs then of course a trip to Ace Hardware to get some special -ordered nails for the cancel culture casket I have been building for a special occasion . I can't wait to hear the latest from the Zen Master on the mystery of life and the Woke culture's incapacity to absorb it. When he comes around to writing his children's book ' Mr Rodger's guide to the complex study of Covid '. It might help me understand the Dude better. Meanwhile , I like the one about his Doctor telling Rodger's " You're enough of a horse's ass that Ivermectin might just help you!" Or the political cartoon of Rodgers walking by a young George Washington and a chopped cherry tree. The caption" Hey Kid if they give you any sh** about lying, just tell them the Woke culture made you do it before you got cancelled !"

0 points
0
0
Leatherhead's picture

November 04, 2021 at 04:52 pm

He’s gonna miss a game, maybe two, because the rules mandate it. I don’t know how he feels. He’s a young, healthy guy so I’m gonna hope for the best.

This is a great opportunity to rest Rodgers and look at Love. It’s a road game against an AFC opponent. The games we want to win are our home games against Chicago, Minnesota, Rams, Seattle, and the road games in Minnesota and at Detroit. That gives us 13 wins, again.

13 points
20
7
croatpackfan's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:58 am

You forget is that we do not know which strain of Covid-19 he is positive for. There is lot of data already from GB, and continental Europe that delta+ variant of virus is highly dangerous for persons younger than 45 and for pregnant women. So he might be lucky and did not catch that one, but regular delta is also very dangerous one.

Even in the case of unsymphtomatic illness there might be some hard post covid effects.

2 points
5
3
Ferrari-Driver's picture

November 04, 2021 at 04:57 pm

I realize that if a person refuses to be vaccinated against the COVID virus, it is their choice, but when Rodgers misleads others into believing he has received the vaccine and mingles with others while not even wearing a mask, he is putting others at risk.

I would assume some of those who were close to Rodgers these past months/days would not have done so if they had received the truth from him regarding his status. Perhaps some of them have been infected by him.

That is not a nice way for Aaron to conduct himself.

17 points
30
13
jurp's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:04 pm

"That is not a nice way for Aaron to conduct himself."

Understatement of the season. AR's behavior just confirms that he's a selfish prick.

4 points
14
10
aberk's picture

November 05, 2021 at 05:03 am

Yes but so is Lazard for also not getting vaccinated. This is the first time I want to burn my Rodgers shirt. I feel that those people who don't get vaccinated are selfish. But he also misled the public and put others at risk. Not cool at all.

4 points
7
3
Coldworld's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:12 am

Although I personally regard the decision not to get vaccinated as idiotic, one is supposedly allowed the freedom to decide what one does with one’s own body. The arguments for that currently shouted are used by both left and right in different contexts, when the cause suits.

The reality is that the NFLPA made it clear mandatory vaccination was a big no, and Goodall and the owners refused to take that on. Lazard and others this remained free to be paid while making choices. Idiotic perhaps, contrary to the team interest perhaps, but league sanctioned.

Blame the league but free choice is critical to freedom. Those choices won’t always be right. What Rodgers did has a while additional dimension of deceit and, potentially, influence on others as well as well as possibly putting the organization in a no win position between him and the rules.

3 points
5
2
croatpackfan's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:06 pm

So you support freedom that everyone have right to kill another one. By gun, car, poison, pushing from the cliff. suffocation or by spreading disease (like AIDS, hepatitis B, C, D etc, Covid-19)?

-7 points
1
8
Coldworld's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:30 pm

No. Stretching everything to the point of ridiculous is not a helpful step in any discussion. I am not an anarchist but nor will I ostracize someone for making a legally permitted personal choice, however much I disagree with it. Lazard is not mandated to be vaccinated by statute or contract law.

My point was to differentiate between Lazard’s choice (however unwise in my view) and the situation created by Rodgers.

6 points
6
0
Caden819's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:34 pm

No, Coldworld supports the right of everyone making their own choices. Killing someone by "gun, car, poison, pushing from the cliff, suffocation or by spreading disease (like AIDS, hepatitis B, C, D etc, Covid-19)" is not at all the same as refusing a vaccine made within 1 year. Besides, based on your comment I assume you have the vaccine correct? So why is someone else right to refuse it so important to you? You are protected via vaccine right? So how is an unvaccinated person going to harm you? Or does your vaccine not work as well as you think it does?

2 points
4
2
fordguy's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:02 pm

Exactly.

-2 points
2
4
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:30 pm

As unvaccinated people get covid, the virus mutates into new forms, the vast majority of which are fortunately not more virulent than the parent virus. As we've seen throughout the pandemic, different variants arise that ARE more virulent. This is why the delta variant has replaced the alpha variant throughout North America - it's more easily caught and spread. This is also why we have breakthrough infections, as the original vaccines, while incredibly effective against alpha, are slightly less effective against delta.

We have had variants up to mu and probably beyond, and now have delta+ spreading in Europe and, I read, now here in the US. It is worse for younger people than any of the previous US variants.

The greater the delay in herd immunity, the greater the chance that a mutation will occur which is highly virulent and more deadly, and which renders the existing vaccines much less effective. At this point we're back to lockdown city and tent hospitals. In addition, children under 5 cannot be vaccinated, and it is definitely in the realm of possibility that a mutation could occur that WILL KILL THEM. This is why getting vaccinated is incredibly important.

-1 points
3
4
Caden819's picture

November 05, 2021 at 04:01 pm

You can also achieve herd immunity by contracting the virus and recovering. Thus having the antibodies to fight further infection. You don't need to subject to a vaccine to be immune to it. Vaccines that are effective don't take a year to produce, they take decades. That's why myself and many others wont even consider getting it until further testing is done

-2 points
3
5
dobber's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:04 pm

Supporting the ability to decide and supporting the actual decision are two different things.

2 points
3
1
CoachDino's picture

November 06, 2021 at 02:34 am

very well put, idioctic seemms a bit harsh, the risk/reward do seem to fall heavily on reward even though its not that effective, the football side alone has huge benefits.

-1 points
0
1
Crankbait's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:08 pm

By choosing not to be vaccinated Rogers is only hurting himself.... maybe.
How is he hurting others? Covid does not discriminate between the unjabbed and jabbed.
Follow the science, not the political woke science.

0 points
3
3
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:32 pm

You're obviously not following the science. You may want to get your healthcare information from a doctor, not cable TV and/or social media.

2 points
4
2
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 05, 2021 at 04:17 pm

😝

0 points
0
0
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 02:53 pm

I have natural immunity but I am selfish for not taking an experimental drug that will mostly cancel out my natural immunity for a vaccine, according to recent Mayo research, that is only 42% effective?

OK...I am selfish following the science. Stupid science. Just bleat and follow the politicians.

-2 points
2
4
fordguy's picture

November 05, 2021 at 04:05 pm

Shut up and quit asking questions. Do as you're told without regard for your own personal health. Think about the greater good so you can get a neat little card to put in your pocket.

-1 points
3
4
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:39 pm

Your crappy link neglects this information:
1. The study included people with only one shot of Pfizer and Moderna and was not restricted to fully vaccinated people. This of course will lower its effectiveness and has been known since the vaccines were released.
2. You forgot this quote: "Based on the data that we have so far, it is a combination of both [a reduction in effectiveness over time and a reduced effectiveness against Delta],” said Venky Soundararajan, a lead author in the study. “The Moderna vaccine is likely – very likely – more effective than the Pfizer vaccine in areas where Delta is the dominant strain, and the Pfizer vaccine appears to have a lower durability of effectiveness.”

The impact of the delta variant on effectiveness is also well known; stopping the creation of new variants is vital in stopping covid.

You also forgot this information: "Overall, the study found that the Moderna vaccine was 86 percent effective against infection and Pfizer’s was 76 percent; Pfizer’s was 85 percent effective against hospitalization, while Moderna’s was 92 percent. "

So - while you may get the delta variant after vaccination, you will almost certainly not get nearly as sick from it and stand a hugely better chance of never needing hospitalization from it. Most of the vaccinated people who die from delta are elderly and/or have compromised immune systems. This is another reason everyone should get vaccinated - so that we don't kill our own citizens.

Get your facts straight,

2 points
5
3
rstain99's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:42 am

He put himself above everyone else, I am a huge Packers fan 1966, but this guy who is so talented puts himself a head of the team. Guess what he gets sick, sorry no covid vaccination no sympathy. Some of your teammates may never get to experience a run at the title, you have 1 SB and five losses in NFC title game get there often. This was your best chance they seemed to have a respectable defense. Old AR12 bigger than the team. Go J Love against KC

7 points
9
2
fordguy's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:30 pm

Don't remember hearing from you last week when a vaccinated.Adams and unvaccinated Lazard both had Covid last week. Where were the selfish player quotes from last week?

-4 points
2
6
Coldworld's picture

November 05, 2021 at 06:52 pm

Is that you can’t distinguish the differences this far down a thread in which they’ve been repeatedly stated or simply chose not to?

2 points
3
1
fordguy's picture

November 06, 2021 at 01:18 pm

Do you understand how a threads work? It is really clear who I'm replying too, and it's not you.

-1 points
0
1
PewAuKeeFan's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:21 pm

I heard on some channels that the covid tests are not done "in secret", so all the players probably would have been aware that Rodgers was getting tested every day.

Or maybe not.

6 points
6
0
CWolf's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:42 am

I believe players know who is and is not vaccinated because of the different protocols. Hard to hide things like who needs to wear a mask, for example.

1 points
1
0
Washyourhandswashyourbutt17's picture

November 05, 2021 at 05:53 am

Without defending Aaron, the NFL league office and the Packers have known these things since day 1. You’d have to imagine all Packers players have known this as well since he’s been reported to have followed protocols for unvaccinated players while inside the packers football spaces, as lafleur deems it, so if they were going to be upset now, they would’ve been upset 2 months ago.

5 points
6
1
Washyourhandswashyourbutt17's picture

November 05, 2021 at 05:53 am

Without defending Aaron, the NFL league office and the Packers have known these things since day 1. You’d have to imagine all Packers players have known this as well since he’s been reported to have followed protocols for unvaccinated players while inside the packers football spaces, as lafleur deems it, so if they were going to be upset now, they would’ve been upset 2 months ago.

0 points
1
1
Swisch's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:04 pm

I'm still very much wanting to know Aaron Rodgers' side of the story.
First, I want to know what he did to consider himself immunized. Why didn't he get the shot? What did he do as an alternative for his health? Did he actually have COVID in the past, and that's why he has considered himself immunized?
Second, does Rodgers agree now that he was deceptive in the past about being immunized, or does he stand by what he originally said? What did he mean then, and does he still think the same way now?
***
I truly hope Rodgers is straightforward in his remarks, and that they come out by tomorrow.
I hope he is honest about what he did, and admits to any mistakes he made with genuine sorrow.
I hope he stands up for himself to the extent he thinks he's in the right, or has strong feelings about the shots and NFL policy.
Rodgers seems to want to be known for telling it like it is.
I hope we see that right away.

-4 points
11
15
jurp's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:07 pm

"I hope he is honest about what he did, and admits to any mistakes he made with genuine sorrow."

LOL. I hope that unicorns come prancing down my street tonight. Same chance of happening.

"Rodgers seems to want to be known for telling it like it is."

No, Rodgers is known as someone who hides behind obfusticating words that disguise his actual intent. Exhibit A = his supposedly "honest" interview during training camp, which was anything BUT honest.

14 points
19
5
PewAuKeeFan's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:18 pm

There will be no official word from Rodgers anytime soon, as those on COVID reserve are normally kept away from the media.

Maybe we'll get to hear from him on Tuesday on the PTS when he talks to Pat.

2 points
3
1
mbpacker's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:32 pm

I wouldn't bet on it!

1 points
2
1
Michael Nault's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:19 pm

he replied on the Pat McAfee show. It wasn't pretty and he uses Joe Rogan as a medical advisor... what a couple of clowns

1 points
2
1
dblbogey's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:45 pm

Vaccinated people still get Covid. Vaccinated people can still infect others. That means these shots aren't vaccines, A vaccine prevents you from getting a disease.

-23 points
20
43
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:11 pm

Incorrect.

15 points
22
7
Bitternotsour's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:54 pm

except that you're completely wrong. other than being completely wrong, you could easily look up how vaccines work and their efficacy and then try again, while being right.

you can go to reputable sites, the Centers for Disease Control, the Mayo Clinic, the FDA. You can actually learn. or you can just post crap. i'm guessing you'll opt to just post crap.

14 points
21
7
DougXX57's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:54 am

you can also go to vaers to see the people getting sick and or dying from the jab... do not trust everything the government tells you about the jab folks

-11 points
3
14
Starr's picture

November 05, 2021 at 10:27 am

What are you talking about, ‘vaers’?
3/4 million oeople have died from Covid, that’s just in this country. How many have died from the vaccine? A few?
You’re reaching to justify the anti government right wing media.

4 points
6
2
fordguy's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:40 pm

Easiest question in the world for you then. Why have more people died this year with the vaccine available then without one the previous year?

-3 points
1
4
croatpackfan's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:10 pm

You are right. Go drink few glasses of disinfectant as you darling Trump recomended.

4 points
7
3
jannes bjornson's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:04 pm

Only trust in Q or Vladimir, right Boris?

2 points
3
1
Bitternotsour's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:55 pm

not sure why things are double posting

-2 points
0
2
Starr's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:07 pm

When one does actual research they learn that in many cases Fox Entertainment network let’s it’s hosts tell lies. Learn to ‘tell’ the truth

-2 points
12
14
jannes bjornson's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:56 pm

Preacher done said that there Invermectin worked real well on Bossy the Cow, so what's the difference from some Fancy mRNA technology, I wreckon.

4 points
12
8
Johnblood27's picture

November 04, 2021 at 09:18 pm

Awesome!

1 points
3
2
Irish_Cheesehead's picture

November 04, 2021 at 11:02 pm

Wow, I think that the most unintelligent post I’ve ever read about vaccines. Congrats!

5 points
9
4
Bure9620's picture

November 04, 2021 at 11:12 pm

Not true, frankly of ANY Vaccine. Some flu shots are effective, others, not so much. They do NOT completely prevent the disease. It does ensure that disease can be significantly less acute.

11 points
12
1
aberk's picture

November 05, 2021 at 05:08 am

The vaccine prevents death. Learn to educate yourself and stop watching Fox news..those same people who preach to not get vaccinated on Fox are themselves required to be vaccinated.

4 points
9
5
DougXX57's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:58 am

ummmmmmmm some peope who take the jab are still dying from covid. sorry but true

-2 points
6
8
Coldworld's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:20 am

Would you opt for the million to one risk or the one in a million one? Use your head and probabilities.

5 points
6
1
LambeauPlain's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:23 am

Not true...Fox News does not have a vaccine mandate to take the jab. Biden said they did. He was again misinformed or was lying himself.

-4 points
3
7
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:47 am

Where’s your reference?

2 points
3
1
fordguy's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:57 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/sep/15/fox-news-vaccines-testing-... On Tuckers show and on Bonginos show both and others also have said it.

2 points
3
1
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:42 pm

WRONG

Neil Cavuto just talked about it not too long ago:
https://www.alternet.org/2021/10/fox-news-vaccine/

2 points
2
0
jannes bjornson's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:14 pm

Ask the neo-nazi Murdochs if they have it ??

-1 points
0
1
fastmoving's picture

November 06, 2021 at 02:44 am

let the weak, unamerican, dumb Fox brainwashed just get what they deserve. They do no get it that they got tricked every second. Just orange sheeps without values or moral. just criminals who belong to Russia

-2 points
0
2
Bure9620's picture

November 06, 2021 at 05:54 am

Right, it does prevent death, which is what I mean by level of acuity. Not only does the vaccine prevent death, you are significantly less likely to be hospitalized.

1 points
2
1
Johnblood27's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:32 pm

Less acute?

You mean ugly?

-1 points
1
2
jannes bjornson's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:15 pm

No he means intubated in an ICU taking up bed space that another seriously ill Citizen may be Deprived .

0 points
1
1
Johnblood27's picture

November 06, 2021 at 07:06 am

lighten up Francis...

get a little perspective.

-1 points
0
1
Savage57's picture

November 05, 2021 at 05:15 am

Your paranoid, disinformation lie would be more appropriate on one of the right wing blog sewers like Breitbart.

8 points
12
4
jannes bjornson's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:18 pm

Or perhaps the neo-fascist Ein Amerika Neues out of SanDiego, finance by a 1% grifter allied and or sympathetic with Putin. Look It up wise guys. Make an attempt to actually Think Critically. Make an attempt to seek the Truth vs idiomatic fantasies. In other words, get Real.

0 points
0
0
rstain99's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:56 am

98% of people in the hospital for covid are unvaxed you get shot this does not guarantee you won't get Covid but those who do get NOT getting as sick when testing positive. This is going to be with us forever you will always need a yearly covid vax, like flu shot deal with it. Its just not going away but it can be managed. Oh shit the tracker they put in my body with my shot is going off now the boss can track my every move. CheeseheadTV is dominating my work day please help me. Hey Ma! the Meatloaf!

3 points
7
4
DougXX57's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:03 am

This is from Israel....

Now an Israeli doctor has revealed a bombshell during a television interview. In the interview on August 5 with Israel’s Chanel 13, Dr Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, stated that the majority of coronavirus patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease.

Dr Haviv further specified that: “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated,” adding “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.” This has led him to conclude that “the effectiveness of the vaccine is fading out.”

Of the 72 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, 25 patients were in “critical condition”, 38 were in “moderate” condition, and 9 were in “mild” condition. There were two deaths reported at the time of the interview.

1 points
4
3
Bitternotsour's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:02 am

also flying monkeys. you forgot about the flying monkeys and pedophile rings in the basement of the pizza parlor. what color is the air where you live?

1 points
4
3
Bitternotsour's picture

November 05, 2021 at 06:36 pm

old guy using computer syndrome...

0 points
1
1
davekenya's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:15 am

There's this thing called 'fact check' out there -- https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9NF42C-1

Footage of an Israeli doctor speaking about Covid-19 vaccines has been viewed more than one million times in social media posts that claim he criticises the jabs. The posts are misleading; the doctor was in fact encouraging vaccination in the full interview, which has been edited to make it appear he says the shot is ineffective.

Sorry, Doug...

6 points
7
1
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:25 am

Joseph Goebbels would be proud of the guy who edited that interview.

4 points
4
0
Coldworld's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:29 am

Are you aware that Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries on earth? That study was looking at which types of individual that had been vaccinated were most at risk of a significant post vaccine event, primarily among old and infirm populations.

The doctor you cite is a strong vaccine advocate, and the version you site has been debunked as a corruption. No, I knew nothing of this until I read your post and did 5 minutes of research. Try it for yourself.

5 points
6
1
ImaPayne's picture

November 05, 2021 at 10:25 am

A vacine doesnt protect you as in guaranteed to not get a disease but the other side of the coin, he prepares your body to fight off the disease if you do get it.
If I get the flu even though I got the shot, My body had developed anti bodies to help me fight it off and make it tolerable.
You forgot that not getting the vacine means you get to transmit it to grandma and grampa who are shopping in the same store your in.
Thus one may have killed innocent people by being self minded only caring about themselves.

4 points
6
2
Caden819's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:46 pm

If they got the vaccine then they should be able to "fight it off and make it tolerable" correct?

0 points
1
1
Johnblood27's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:36 pm

somebody oughta tell gramps and grammy about Amazon...

-1 points
1
2
Dr.Rodgers's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:42 am

IDIOT

0 points
1
1
NoNonsense's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:48 pm

I wanna know when the NFL decided he wouldn't be granted vaccinated status on his request for exemption.

They said there was a lengthy back and forth with the league, NFLPA and infectious disease expert about whether or not he could be considered vaccinated.

Not sure when he gave the press conference where he said he was immunized but the timing of those two things will make a difference to me. If a single reporter would have just simply asked a follow up question like so are you vaccinated or not, we wouldn't be talking about this now.

Since he followed protocol as an unvaccinated player everywhere that we know of, except during press conferences, that kind of points to him perpetuating the untruth that he had been vaccinated to the media. If he showed up and did interviews wearing a mask then it would have been known he was unvaccinated.

The devil is in the details, as always. Can't make excuses for the guy since his decision has and will hurt the team and himself. I just hope it's fines and not draft picks they take from the team and they don't decide to suspend him a couple of games or something.

7 points
9
2
Bitternotsour's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:45 pm

except he didn't follow the protocol. he had that party. he was unmasked. he didn't observe proper spacing. he exposed other players and teams in post-game greetings.

so, no.

5 points
11
6
Caden819's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:49 pm

How can you "expose other players and teams in post-game greetings" without being positive?

1 points
1
0
Bitternotsour's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:03 am

no

-2 points
2
4
ImaPayne's picture

November 05, 2021 at 10:26 am

I beleive I read it was in August.

1 points
1
0
ImaPayne's picture

November 04, 2021 at 06:57 pm

My daughter told me she heard or read that Rodgers is livid that his information on not being vaxed was released. I havent heard that but she's not a sports person so it must be true.

He doesnt care that he will miss the big game he is more worried about his personal information going public, really? Thanks for caring about the team you said two days ago that you so love. Liar, fake, phony, Cal Dork

4 points
18
14
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:13 pm

Technically it wasn’t. The fact of the fail and the particular type of prototype triggered made it obvious. If Rodgers blamed others for that, he’s more of a prat than I thought.

3 points
6
3
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:13 pm

Technically it wasn’t. The fact of the fail and the particular type of prototype triggered made it obvious. If Rodgers blamed others for that, he’s more of a prat than I thought.

1 points
3
2
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:13 pm

Technically it wasn’t. The fact of the fail and the particular type of prototype triggered made it obvious. If Rodgers blamed others for that, he’s more of a prat than I thought.

1 points
1
0
Johnblood27's picture

November 04, 2021 at 09:21 pm

Please say that again, I dont get it.

3 points
4
1
Coldworld's picture

November 04, 2021 at 10:47 pm

If I say it again I think I end up in brimstone. Beware less the gremlins get you too some time.

1 points
2
1
Johnblood27's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:35 pm

Im making light, not criticizing

do what you do my man.

-1 points
0
1
davekenya's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:19 am

...speaking of obfuscating

1 points
2
1
Joknows's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:00 am

How many times are you gona post coldy? You're like a 5 yr old that keeps talking when nobody cares but you want them to so you keep repeating yourself great story 👍🏼

-8 points
0
8
Joknows's picture

November 05, 2021 at 07:57 am

Olgeezer is another clown great story pal

-6 points
1
7
Packers0808's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:05 pm

Everyone told Sam not to sing but Sam Sung anyways!

-4 points
1
5
PAPackerbacker's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:31 pm

Nobody is above the rules set for the safety of all the players in the NFL. Rodgers deceived the rest of the league and his teammates. by his "I'm immunized" statement and not following the protocol of unvaccinated players. His decision to ignore the rules may hurt the Packers in fines and draft choices and put his teammates at a greater risk of contacting Covid. A piss poor example of leadership. I was and will always be a Packer fan, long before Rodgers got here and will be long after he is gone. It's not a me sport, it's a team sport. Wishing Jordan Love success and hope he doesn't get injured. Go! Pack! Go!

6 points
15
9
Bitternotsour's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:01 pm

the rules that were collectively bargained at the onset of the pandemic. rules that his football brothers all agreed to.

his lying to ryan wood at that press conference was something else. watch his eyes during that answer. he knows he's lying. he thinks thru the lie as he tells it. he just lies anyways.

what an incredible phony.

4 points
8
4
Joknows's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:02 am

Piss poor? The only thing you lead is your dog outside to take a piss

-4 points
2
6
MainePackFan's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:31 pm

Maybe we should trade for Cousins. Apparently what matters to Stephen A Smith and lots of my fellow Pack fans in here is that Rodgers wasn't man enough to tell you all what you don't want to hear. Would it make a difference if he said to the a$$hole reporter (trying to make a name for himself) that he hadn't actually stuck a needle in his arm but had been through a Doctor approved immunization. Nope. Many of you hate the man regardless of what he says or does. Personally, I hope he finishes his career in Green Bay and wins several Super Bowls just so I can watch the haters show some love for a Hall of Fame QB that this organization has been blessed to have. I will await and accept your downvotes like a man :)

-4 points
19
23
Packers0808's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:38 pm

Hey each to his own as should be.

2 points
3
1
MainePackFan's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:48 pm

Agreed

-3 points
0
3
Johnblood27's picture

November 04, 2021 at 09:24 pm

all you each to your own types are the first to want more rules and restrictions on individuals you dont agree with.

hypocrites.

Rodgers lied, his career died. Check for Braun, Ryan as a reference.

-2 points
4
6
Caden819's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:57 pm

"his career died" is laughable

3 points
3
0
Johnblood27's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:31 pm

I had to tie in some sort of a rhyme...

Im no poet.

-1 points
0
1
Johnblood27's picture

November 06, 2021 at 05:20 pm

well, his health care endorsement sure died.

thumbs down that you ignoramus!

2 points
2
0
canadapacker's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:00 pm

Bottom line he lied - he misconstrued his vaccination status - he tongue in cheek mispresented his vaccination status with forethought - ie I am immunized. Now we probably wont know what that means - maybe some of Trump's javex bleach? maybe some Intervectin maybe remedesvir and therefore actually nothing works except wearing a mask and staying at home or away from people. GEESH

2 points
9
7
Irish_Cheesehead's picture

November 04, 2021 at 11:13 pm

Would it make a difference? Why, yes. Yes it would.

2 points
3
1
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:30 am

Homeopathy is woo and not doctor-approved. If AR was so goddamn certain that the wooshit he tried was effective, he actually would've said something like "I'm not vaccinated, no, but I've been on a diet consisting of fairy wings and unicorn farts, which my woo-doc has assured me will keep me from getting covid, the common cold, and common sense."

3 points
5
2
canadapacker's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:42 pm

Stephen A. Smith: 'Aaron Rodgers is a liar. Period.' I dont like Stephen A Smith - I think that he just talks to hear himself and the more outrageous he can be the more outrageous he does - but in this case he is absolutely CORRECT.
It is going to take a lot for AR to dig himself out of this hole. First he needs to get vaccinated ( first shot or J&J - if he only wants one shot) and then he needs to absolutely without reservation with as much humility and without any type of excuse or anything APOLOGIZE and keep on apologizing until the cow some home.
Otherwise he is just a lying rich boy dufus.

https://www.tsn.ca/NFL/video/stephen-a_-smith-aaron-rodgers-is-a-liar-pe...

0 points
12
12
MainePackFan's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:59 pm

Why would he cave to your wants and needs. I say Go ARod!!! Win the Super Bowl!!! That would be the best FU to all you haters. Maybe someday you will understand that players are people and they are not perfect. I'll take Aaron Rodgers imperfections any day over the Henry Ruggs of the world. But by all means hate on as you root for Rodgers in the playoffs.

-2 points
9
11
canadapacker's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:06 pm

Be honest about it - I am not happy with the Packers - I would rather have had the Columbus Blue Jackets approach - they removed both players and assistant coaches from the team . Playing football or hockey is a professional show business presentation for the public - and as a business they do have to right to ensure the safety of their staff, fellow players and employees and those in the stands. That is Columbus's attitude and one that I wish that more teams would take. Yes it is your right not to get vaccinated - but then stay at home or only go wherever you are able to safely go and not catch it or give it to somebody else.

0 points
3
3
MainePackFan's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:22 pm

You obviously feel that the Covid protocols have worked. I don't. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree my friend. GPG!!

-2 points
2
4
Caden819's picture

November 05, 2021 at 01:02 pm

"Yes it is your right not to get vaccinated - but then stay at home or only go wherever you are able to safely go and not catch it or give it to somebody else" Its also everyone's right to do whatever they please. That's what the constitution is for, If you're scared of covid then YOU stay at home

-1 points
1
2
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:49 pm

"Its also everyone's right to do whatever they please. That's what the constitution is for"

Exactly which clause in the Constitution says "Any citizen of this Republic may do whatever he wants without hindrance from any other citizen of the Republic." NONE. The Constitution sets out how the country's government is supposed to work and governs how the states relate to each other; it also guarantees that no state can usurp federal power or laws.

Try shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theater and see what that gets you. Try taking any firearm into Wisconsin's State Capitol and see how quickly you're arrested. You could also try lighting a cigarette in any bar or restaurant just for shits and giggles and see how quickly you're evicted.

Doing what you want when you want to, everyone else be damned, is called "anarchy". It's no way to run a country, and it's certainly no way to run a life. Grow the hell up and become an adult.

1 points
3
2
Caden819's picture

November 06, 2021 at 12:56 am

It’s actually the 9th amendment in the Bill of Rights.
“The government shouldn’t disparage the other rights of citizens according to the clause. That is the general issue included in the Ninth Amendment.

These rights can consist of the right to plant flowers, the right to paint your toenails, and the right to eat what you want, among many others. All these are rights not denied to people just because they aren’t in the Constitution.”
I understand if you didn’t pass basic government in high school.
“Grow the hell up and be an adult”
I am an adult, that’s why I have the right to not take an experimental vaccine that was developed in 1 year. That’s why I have the right to do as I please. That’s why I have a right to not take an experimental vaccine that is still going through clinical trials. I’ll take a chance against a virus with a 98% survival rate that mainly kills old and overweight people. You love to preach the “science” behind this vaccine but fail to understand the history around the way vaccines are developed. If you don’t believe the 98% survival rate then go ahead and do the math yourself, it goes hand in hand with science :)

0 points
1
1
SwedeBayPacker's picture

November 04, 2021 at 11:35 pm

Calling out a player for lying to the league, endangering his fellow teammates and hurting the organization isn't "hating", you schmuck.

6 points
9
3
Caden819's picture

November 05, 2021 at 01:03 pm

Considering the league, the packers, and his teammates knew he wasn't vaccinated makes you the "schmuck"

1 points
3
2
Joknows's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:08 am

You are a true Canuck. Who the heck are you? I bet you sit in front of cnn 12hrs a day collecting government checks. Apologize lol for what? That he's not a sheep like you and that he can actually come up with original thoughts and process them all by himself? Lol

-8 points
3
11
canadapacker's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:08 pm

I liked that - I was out working and not sitting in front of my Ipad so I didnt see your dumb insulting remark - however I see by the number of downvotes at least a bunch of people agree that the remarks were dumb and not true. And no - in Canada we have CBC. If you think that he can be dishonest about his vaccination status and carry on knowing that the NFL did not approve of what he supposedly had taken - then that is why he should apologize. Conspiracy theory - He knew that he was not getting vaccinated and so as a diversion he leaked the info to Schefter so that it would be released on Draft day. That would set the GB management back a bit and that is why they never really called him out on it?

0 points
2
2
ImaPayne's picture

November 05, 2021 at 06:19 pm

I use to fish up in Canada with family and had a lot of Canadian friends back in the60's. Since the the country has gone communist and Candians are a bunch of cork soakers and mother frockers.
How well did you Hosers take care of Covid. You pissed all over your pants trying to avoid the shots and thousands died.
Glad my former states of Minn and Mich wont let people into Canada we dont want stupid coming here

-1 points
1
2
stormin's picture

November 04, 2021 at 07:49 pm

The sad part is the poor team is going to get beat, Jordan Love is far from the answer for the future.

-15 points
2
17
Oppy's picture

November 05, 2021 at 04:46 am

Maybe Love is, maybe Love isn't.

Just understand what you've just stated was exactly what a great deal of people said about Aaron Rodgers the first 4 years of his career.

3 points
4
1
Rossonero's picture

November 04, 2021 at 09:59 pm

We can set aside the vaccination debate for another day. Each NFL player can choose what they want to do, but have the balls to shoot straight with us and your teammates rather than thinking you're being smart and lying to us.

When you get asked "are you vaccinated?" and you think you're being clever by saying "yeah, I've been immunized," the truth will always find a way to bite you.

It's biting Rodgers now. Hard....the frustrating part is, it won't just bite him. This is going to bite the Packers in terms of possible losses, other sickened players or staff who bring it home to their family members, lost dollars in fines, or maybe even a lost draft pick.

What I think most folks are sick and tired of is wealthy and powerful people thinking they are above the rules or the law. THEY ARE NOT! They are not special, they have to abide by the same rules just like the rest of the players who signed up to the same agreement with the NFL. I'm tired of this diva shit man. Play out the season and then trade his ass for draft picks in 2022. Sell high while the price is still good. I'll always treasure Rodgers for his incredible talent and amazing throws. He's an insane talent....but at some point, the music stops and the party's over.

18 points
22
4
Packers0808's picture

November 04, 2021 at 08:32 pm

Makes me wonder what his worth will be after this bullshit drama. If I were player on another team would I feel comfortable around a guy who would put my health in jeopardy and not being a team player. My thinking his worth has sunk considerably AMONG Many people!

11 points
12
1
Cubbygold's picture

November 05, 2021 at 06:35 am

Let's just hope his ego isn't too bruised from the universal ass kicking it's (rightfully) getting at the moment. I can see this guy retiring before he lets GB trade him for a haul of talent/picks. That's the route I'd go, but we'll see if Rodgers can handle that type of rejection or if he steps in to prevent it. Dude still talks about getting passed over in the draft, can you imagine the mental breakdown of being told 'wed rather have a few draft picks than you'.

4 points
5
1
Rossonero's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:04 pm

Well, he's supposedly livid at his vaccination status being revealed, which is silly considering he is a public figure. It's also no secret that he petitioned the NFL for "alternative treatments" early on and was denied, so that was a red flag right there. What did he expect? Yeah, he likes to the draft as a chip on his shoulder, I guess whatever works for him, but I can only imagine how upset he'll be if he got traded. LaFlelur has done a masterful job of handling his ego and rolling with the punches. He's gotta be tired of it.

1 points
2
1
ImaPayne's picture

November 05, 2021 at 06:07 pm

Havent heard one player coming out and chastising him. They are all of the same mold, I protect your back you protect mine and we all keep out feelings and big mouths to ourselves.
Aka oBJ, did not hear one Brown player say good riddence

-1 points
0
1
Packfangirl's picture

November 04, 2021 at 09:43 pm

So, I started with a long comment, then decided to H*** with it! I'm not here to judge or be judged by anyone.. I'm here because I love the Green Bay Packers! I REALLY hope we can come away with a win this weekend... I have a good feeling about it.... I hope the best for Jordan Love and hope he settles in early, I'm sure nerves will play a part, but he has a very good team around him as well as a great coaching staff. He also has had time to sit behind one of the greatest of all time and Learn...It may be that the Chiefs could look past us because we are missing Aaron, and that could be their biggest mistake. Here's to a big win!!! Go Pack Go!!! Go Pack Go!!!

14 points
14
0
Irish_Cheesehead's picture

November 04, 2021 at 11:20 pm

I agree! This is Love’s team now! I hope he lights ‘em up! Go Pack!

0 points
3
3
Joknows's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:26 am

Hahaha Love is hot trash. If we win it will be because of our defense and running game.

-9 points
1
10
davekenya's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:27 am

Nobody knows (yourself and me included) how good Love will be. Until a QB plays a season or so...then, finally, one can begin assessing. (Otherwise a number of HOF QBs would've been cut or released and not had careers at all.)

Main point: hmmm....what exactly is wrong with winning games with defense and a good running game? If that got us to a SB win, would we be complaining about our QB?

2 points
3
1
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:43 am

To your point, davekenya: Peyton Manning looked like crap leading the Colts to a 3-13 record in his rookie year. Troy Aikman also looked like crap in his first year. Brett Favre threw four passes in two games during his rookie year - and two of those were picked off (I think both returned for TDs, but could be very wrong about that), and Aaron "covid boy" Rodgers looked pedestrian at best leading GB to a 6-10 record in 2008.

Any coach who had cut or traded any of them after their rookie years would look like an idiot and never work as an HC in the NFL again - see Jerry Glanville if you need an example, @joknows.

I also agree with your second point. Trent Dilfer has a SB ring because his team had an all-time-great defense and a good running attack. No one complained about Dilfer's lack of all-world talent.

0 points
3
3
Spock's picture

November 06, 2021 at 11:21 am

"Brett Favre threw four passes in two games during his rookie year - and two of those were picked off..." -And, as a side note, his FIRST pass was to: himself (it was batted by a defender back into Brett's hands), so only one of those four passes from the future HOF QB actually went to a receiver!

0 points
0
0
Cubbygold's picture

November 05, 2021 at 06:10 am

What's interesting to me is that Love doesn't have to be great for this team to win a lot of games. He just needs to be able to avoid turnovers and operate the system. Anything else is icing on the cake.

MLF is this teams future superstar and leader, if this team believes love can simply show up and perform his responsibilities, it's a new era in Green Bay.

4 points
5
1
Harold Drake's picture

November 05, 2021 at 03:48 am

Rodgers has inadvertently made his exit strategy much easier now. This latest bit of passive-aggressive deception reveals the less appealing side of his Zen Master façade. What is obvious is his moral failing as one of the NFL's greatest QBs of all time, having taken on the mantle of a public figure and one of the most recognisable athletes in the U.S. When you attain such status, you have to weigh your words carefully and Rodgers chose to deliberately mislead the press and the public by employing the word "immunized" in answer to the question as to whether he had been vaccinated. He then doubled down on his lie by stating that he would not judge "others" who has chosen not to get vaccinated, further implying that he was vaccinated. This is part of his cleverly constructed narcissistic ego complex that saw him try to escape the kind of criticism that has been levelled against Kirk Cousins and Kyrie Irving, for example. But at least those idiots had the courage of their ludicrous anti-vaxxer convictions. Rodgers engaged in a blatant act of willful deception that will forever tarnish his legacy and certainly diminishes his standing in the hearts and minds of those who worshipped him as a hero - including me.

But perhaps the greater failing is not that of hubris but of leadership - at least from the perspective of the leader of a football team looking to gain every advantage possible - that of failure to "carry the G," the mantra coined by either Aaron Nagler or Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers' choice of bogus homeopathic "treatment" in place of vaccination has placed his team at a terrible disadvantage. This is gross negligence and dereliction of duty. As the field commander of the Packers and its de facto leader, Rodgers had a responsibility to swallow his New Age Homeopathic Quack Science pride and get the jab to avoid the possibility of a 10-day quarantine mandated by the NFL for unvaccinated players who test positive for COVID. Now that possibility has become a reality and forced Jordan Love into an emergency start against Kansas City. I've been dismissive of Love in the past and framed his presence on the team as the result of Gutekunst's grossly premature QB transition plan. But now I'm looking forward to seeing what Love can deliver under pressure. Rodgers' departure in 2022 is more likely than ever now, and I'm no longer regarding that as a catastrophic event. It might even be a blessing.

5 points
14
9
Joknows's picture

November 05, 2021 at 08:13 am

Hahaha great story harry no one cares about your liberal political bullshit

-7 points
7
14
jurp's picture

November 05, 2021 at 09:45 am

You'd be much more at home at Acme Packing Company. Feel free to slither over there soon - I hear they have a rock ready for you to crawl under.

2 points
5
3
Reghamster's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:29 am

A lucid and thoughtful commentary per usual Harold . My chief upset over Rodger's lies and the complicit behavior towards those lies by both the Packers and the League is that Rodgers and company willingly exposed his unvaccinated self to countless people who were unaware. These range from the media , his Halloween party friends and to no doubt many others who crossed his path in the last 9 months or so since the vaccines availability. I am confused by MLF's saying he doesn't pay attention to the media when apparently unless I am mistaken someone like Allen Lazard does his media appearances via Zoom which is the recommended way for those unvaccinated . Apparently the team and league knew AR's unvaccinated status so they could have not allowed those unmasked media events to occur easily . So there is failure on that regard all over . It once again points to the special treatment of certain star athletes by the league so as to not expose their dirty linen in public and hurt their "brand" . I am sure fines and loss draft choices will occur and even possibly a suspension or two. Rodgers post career has taken a nose dive too. No Jeopardy hosting now . No place in the ESPN booth or wherever . He is rich enough so who cares though!
I am not so certain however that this means Rodgers is definitely gone next year . AR was probably admitting earlier on the Pat MacAfee show how he appreciated among many things not least how Gute and MLF were covering his ass during this period . This whole mess means I think that teams will not trade for AR in the same way . He will garner much less in the way of future draft picks and or traded players. Maybe so much so that the Packers won't see that great of an advantage trading (similar to the O J Beckham waiver release today). (Btw Gute go get Beckham cheap!) Time will tell about the future.
I agree about Love . It will show us what he might bring to the future Packers . I always felt we needed a good backup considering the Henly and other QB debacles that ruined our playoff chances previously. I suspect the Chiefs will load up the box and not allow a running game and pressure Love who as any rookie will make too many incompletions or interceptions. It is SOO rare for a rookie to come in and succeed right away . Let's hope so all the same . GPG since '21

2 points
3
1
Reghamster's picture

November 05, 2021 at 11:29 am

A lucid and thoughtful commentary per usual Harold . My chief upset over Rodger's lies and the complicit behavior towards those lies by both the Packers and the League is that Rodgers and company willingly exposed his unvaccinated self to countless people who were unaware. These range from the media , his Halloween party friends and to no doubt many others who crossed his path in the last 9 months or so since the vaccines availability. I am confused by MLF's saying he doesn't pay attention to the media when apparently unless I am mistaken someone like Allen Lazard does his media appearances via Zoom which is the recommended way for those unvaccinated . Apparently the team and league knew AR's unvaccinated status so they could have not allowed those unmasked media events to occur easily . So there is failure on that regard all over . It once again points to the special treatment of certain star athletes by the league so as to not expose their dirty linen in public and hurt their "brand" . I am sure fines and loss draft choices will occur and even possibly a suspension or two. Rodgers post career has taken a nose dive too. No Jeopardy hosting now . No place in the ESPN booth or wherever . He is rich enough so who cares though!
I am not so certain however that this means Rodgers is definitely gone next year . AR was probably admitting earlier on the Pat MacAfee show how he appreciated among many things not least how Gute and MLF were covering his ass during this period . This whole mess means I think that teams will not trade for AR in the same way . He will garner much less in the way of future draft picks and or traded players. Maybe so much so that the Packers won't see that great of an advantage trading (similar to the O J Beckham waiver release today). (Btw Gute go get Beckham cheap!) Time will tell about the future.
I agree about Love . It will show us what he might bring to the future Packers . I always felt we needed a good backup considering the Henly and other QB debacles that ruined our playoff chances previously. I suspect the Chiefs will load up the box and not allow a running game and pressure Love who as any rookie will make too many incompletions or interceptions. It is SOO rare for a rookie to come in and succeed right away . Let's hope so all the same . GPG since '21

0 points
1
1
Harold Drake's picture

November 05, 2021 at 12:52 pm

Hi RGH!

Thank you for the compliment. I usually only attract the low IQ, MAGA trolls who patrol this website as is the case with the QAnon-type above.

Yes, I am also troubled by MLF's non-denial denial comment. He also looked very testy at the press conference answering this line of questioning so I am sure he is not happy about taking some of the heat that AR12 should be absorbing for his grand deception.

And you're also correct in thinking that AR12 has likely diminished his trade value and it would be interesting to pull a Belichick and acquire Beckham for the Last Dance run to the Super Bowl.

But isn't is irritating to the extreme that Rodgers is his own worst enemy at times and he has largely lost the respect and support of many who stood by him while he questioned Packers' management philosophy and pushed the team to hire Randall Cobb. I almost have trouble believing that he engaged in deliberate deception over his vaccination status. After philosophizing so much about mindfulness and his inner journey of the past year, you immediately raise the bar when it comes to personal integrity. Lying to the media and by extension the world at large is not what we expect from a man of superior intellect and seeming embrace of spiritual principles.

Finally, is Rodgers deluding himself into believing that homeopathic quack treatments can give him immunity against a VIRUS!!!! And this is why he chose NOT to get vaccinated? For someone who runs a bookclub on McAfee, he doesn't seem to be reading the scientific literature and numerous cli