They haven't , he's Been carrying the team since the last time they had a defense when they won the Super Bowl .

Bravo! Absolutely agree!

Sorry Boss but your wrong . Defense came up with back to back turnovers in the 4th quarter against Tampa the offense came up short this time.

I'd agree over the past couple of years (although our first round pick last year is still a head scratcher). The problem is the Packers should have realized the marriage of Rodgers and McCarthy had run it's course years ago. McCarthy wasn't a horrible coach but he consistently tried to put square pegs in round holes, not adjusting to his personnel enough and relying on Rodgers to make plays vs designing plays to get people open. Combine that with keeping Capers way too long (who did the same thing on defense as McCarthy did on offense) and Thompson not getting the extra players in free agency needed to make the push from good to great and we cost ourselves the chance at a number of Super Bowls. I would have been fine with a couple of 8-8 type or worse rebuilding seasons if it had meant additional Super Bowl shots.

Nags - Spittin truth
I was already to question the AJones Top Back (Though I think he is a top 5 RB/Weapon) until you blasted me with the facts (2nd to Jim Brown) One doesn;t have to take that literally to realize it is a very powerful data grouping that should sway the needle of opinion....

Damn Boy - - You've been like Butter - Your on a Roll...lol There's some Dairy State Humor for you.

No! The narrative for Gute has already been written. He made the selection of Love and is tied to that. He has no vision for this team with Rodgers.

"Stop saying the Packers haven't done enough for Rodgers....it makes me sad and sometimes angry!!"

Excuse me, it isn't about Rodgers, it's about the team!!
...have they done enough to help the team win now?
If your answer is yes.....we all know you are lying, and you (like our GM) don't prioritize trying to win now.

It's not just about adding a receiver, it's not just about adding talent and depth at corner, it isn't just about adding Def. lineman, it isn't just about adding a solid ilb.

It's about helping the team, improving the team.
It's about at the very least....trying

It's about prioritizing current team needs to help get you to a SB, instead of trying to set the team up years down the road after giving your QB a mega contract.

It's about adding some talent on the field who can contribute.

Sincerely....

The voice of reason.

Without a DL next to Clark, a #2 CB and a #2 WR we will continue to struggle with elite teams. With 10 draft picks giving 3 upgrades does not seem like a colossal problem to overcome.

https://sports.yahoo.com/did-cordarrelle-patterson-leave-hint-231949165....

Patterson to the Packers? Check out link above

I take it being a Packer cheerleader is paying better than true journalism?

Before last season Packers fans were wondering if Green Bay could repeat its 13-3 record and whether the Packers would be as good as the previous season. Too many one-score games won. Reversion to the mean. But the Packers won and won and won. And hopes rose. And suddenly there was a glimmer of hope for the Super Bowl. And Packers fans forgot about their previous doubts. Now those same fans expect a Super Bowl. From this very same team they doubted only a year ago. Go figure.

Also for all the hoopla, this year‘s crop of free agents isn’t all that good.

How much is enough. They gave Favre the number one defense in the league in 1997 when he was our HOF quarterback and the Packers won the Super Bowl and we even had a kick returner (Desmond Howard) as our MVP of the game.

Rodgers hasn't had a sniff of a defensive line like Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown, and Gabe Wilkins. It's not for me to say that the Packers didn't do enough for Rodgers, but comparing the defensive help that was provided for our other HOF quarterback the facts tend to say otherwise.

Hello to all
I will probably say something that not everyone will like, but this is a place for discussion so ..... I just hope it can open a reflection.
I have often heard of Brady being paid less to get more players while Rodgers, with his salary, is blocking the arrival of quality FA .....
Then let's go and see.
I think it is right therefore to compare the impact of the salary by the ceiling.
So ...... Brady is about 7 years older than Rodgers.
If we take as a reference 7 years ago, Brady earned 25ML on a 133ML team cap (incidence about 19%) at the same age today Rodgers occupies 20%. This is about the same for every year in comparison. Then??
I also expect that from the next contract onwards Rodgers will earn significantly lower figures than today because I do not think that over 40 you can objectively ask for more than what Brady is asking now.
And if the comparison must necessarily be with Brady, then every Q in the NFL is overpaid compared to him !!!!
The difference, as with all things and also for the current season, is always HOW YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY !!!
I will probably be wrong, but even this season when we come to take stock we will see that in reality we will have spent a lot of money ..... but for whom?
Bakt.
Clark
P. Smith.
AJ.
Big Dog
KK
Well, of these I think the first two are not questionable.
As for the 3rd, 4th and 5th (while loving them as players and recognizing their important role in the locker room) they could be let go and we could have at least one CB and another (you choose) of absolute level equal to impact on the cap.
These are choices !!!
I do not comment KK because I find it absurd regardless .....
Then I make another consideration .....
If you want to build a team that can regularly score more than 30 points per game (Yes I said 30 and I'll explain it better soon !!) then you have to do something different than what we have
Even though we were the highest scoring team, that doesn't mean we were the best offense !!
In fact, until we played games where we commanded the score (and the stopwatch !!!!) everything went well, but every time we found ourselves having to recover the score we fell (Tampa 2 times, MIN, IND .. ..) this is because we have a good game system, but we don't have a great offensive talent (as opposed to Tampa)
And if we don't have a great offensive talent we MUST have an elite D, even more so when your Q is getting old !!!!!
Then there is the great dilemma of the LOVE editorial staff. I do not criticize the possibility of choice by Gute (the future of the Team is always the most important thing in spite of everything), I criticize the moment in which it was done (I think that AR has at least another 4 good years to give if not more - see Brady)
LOVE's choice prevents us from having a WR2 this season that could have been a starter (maybe it could help last season too) and would not have made AJ's re-signing fundamental and, in addition to this year's possible draft choice, could have allowed the next season to rebuild the receiving body as well (let Adams walk to free up space ???)
Finally, let's ask ourselves: what has been the biggest problem of the last 10 years ???
Always and only D
What was done to remedy ?? NOTHING critical issues have always been allowed to pass.
I think it's time (but it has been for a while!) To build a team that wins as a result of the few points that the D allows and not based on the points it scores.
I embrace you all
Greetings from Italy
Go Pack Go

The biggest failure (imo) is keeping McCarthy for as long as they did. Rodgers quality was regularly able to overcome the limitations of McCarthy's system in the regular season, to get the Packers into postseason play almost routinely..............but mostly not through the playoffs to the SB. If the offense had been more dominant, it would have made things easier for the D.

As for that D, I think that Capers needed specific types of players to make his D work and failed to make adjustments to get the best out of those he did have.

That's about it

I think it's mostly fueled by national media fools like Skip and Stephen A, who either don't know what they're talking about or who are just trying to peddle clickbait. And a lot of Packer fans buy into it.

Recently I had the misfortune of listening to Stephen A. Smith scream and rant that Aaron Rodgers "never had the weapons that Brett Favre had" - which is a painfully stupid comment on its face. The only "support" he gave to this baseless claim is that Favre had Sterling Sharpe, and that Tavon Austin was the only 1st round receiver Rodgers had ever thrown to. Both arguments are god-awful stupid.

First, Sharpe played only three years with Favre, and Favre was in GB for 16 years. And Favre never won a championship with Sharpe anyway. But who did Favre have other than 3 years of Sharpe? Driver split his time between Favre and Arod, so that's a wash. Of the top 15 receivers (according to yardage) in Packers history, Favre had Freeman (7th), and Brooks (15th). ARod has had Nelson (5th), Adams (8th), Jennings (9th), Cobb (12th) and Jones (14th). So um... yeah. Advantage ARod.

And are we really saying that ARod is somehow handicapped because the Packers have been super damn good at drafting receivers in the mid-rounds? And doesn't Tavon Austin actually show that drafting first round receivers might not be quite the cure-all that Shoutin' Stevie Smith believes it to be?

Maybe Rodgers hasn't done enough for the team..? unless of course two straight years of 13-3 and a berth in the two NFC championship games is all about an incompetent president and gm, lousy coaching, bad free agent acquisitions, no draft help, not enough pro bowl players, and resigning your second best player,
You spoiled, whining, economically blind, perspective lacking fools! If Rodgers wants help, maybe he should consider paying for it himself; like Brady has done his whole career. Maybe those who want to be in conversation with the GOAT need to ask themselves 'what would Tom do".
Rodgers has had at least four legitimate chances to get to the SB since 2010. But somehow its always someone else's fault. LOL.

When it comes to helping Rodgers you don't necessarily have to talk about offensive aids ...... it was enough that a top 10 D was built, which happened on one occasion .... SB !!!! Will it be a coincidence ????

Good post!

The packers haven't done enough to win. Only compete. End of discussion.

If the Packers have done enough to help Rodgers win then why has the defense allowed an average of 35+ points in their playoff losses.

This is a perfect example developed by the media since the Joe Montana era that the QB and only the Qb is responsible for winning games and SBs. Th is philosophy is madness to expect that any QB is supposed to be able to score over 35 points per game or it's his fault that his team lost. Or that the QB is supposed to prevent himself for being sacked or for catching the passes that he throws.

Good QB play is a requirement to win in this era of the NFL but not the only requirement. Teams still need solid OL play, WRs who catch the ball and a defense that can make stops at critical points in a game. They also need excellent preparation and good coaching decisions during the game.

As I've said before, if the rest of the players played as well as Rodgers we would be undefeated SB champs. However, we have nowhere close to saying that about any player on the Packers since Woodson left in 2012. End of story. Thanks, Since '61

Ok I’m not a Gute groupie but isn’t his job to assemble a team with the ability to make the Super Bowl with still keeping an eye on the team’s future? Didn’t he do that? We could have easily won the Tampa game if we didn’t shoot ourselves in the foot and then we are in the Super Bowl. Sure we are all mad at King, myself included, but didn’t, I think Sullivan, drop an easy interception before that play which would have negated that TD?
And don’t even get me started on having two possessions with first down inside the 10 and we don’t run the ball ONE DAMN TIME and with an absolute hammer of a RB sitting on the bench. And we’ve got one of the best QBs in history and we don’t go for it on fourth down!!?? You think Reid pulls Mahomes and kicks a FG?
The bane of management is being an easy scrap goat but Gute put a team on that field that easily could of made the Super Bowl and now it’s his fault it didn’t I guess....

AR is one if the not the best skilled QB who ever played and Im really glad TT took the chance and drafted him. But I also saw that he did not so much in the playoffs (besides the magical run) as he would be able to.
Less talented QBs did more with way less, espacially in the play offs. That was never the Packers fault and it was most of the time not the fault of his weapons. Some Ds were not great and the late MM did not help either but if you are 20 percent of the SC you should play like that and he more often than not did not.
I know some here see AR as god or the goat and there is no way for them he can fail. But thats just not true. How often do I here that AR carries us if we win and its everyone elses fault if we dont. But he is a QB and the most important position in all of sports is a big part of W or L.
There is no way to blame besides AR (an the luck you always need of course) if things went wrong. The Packers can only do so much and they did even more than that most of the years.....

And yeahhh, I would be not so sure if he stays sharp till his 40s. Its not a given and a big risk as well. He can drop every time, like most of us know

Nagler's vehement attack on the very obvious truth that the Packers have failed AR throughout his career very much reminds me of Bob McGinn's similarly vehement anti-Rodgers tirade in 2013 that the packers would be "fine" w/o Rodgers, right before AR broke his collar bone against the bears. The packers went into that game at 5-2 and McGinn said that, w/o AR, the packers could finish at 11-5, i.e., the packers and McCarthy were more than solid enough to succeed irrespective of AR. Of course, McGinn was proven a fool then just as Nagler is a fool now. W/o AR in 2013, the packers were 2-5-1. W/o AR in 2017, 3-7.

This past year 2020, against the very best, the packers proved less than complete again and got hammered, but again what sort of team would they have been w/o AR? Does anyone think they would have broken .500 w/o AR? Anyone? More important, any unbiased person would have to admit that had the packers picked up a Jefferson, Higgins or Claypool, it would have helped win against Tampa's tough defense. Just imagine how much better AR and Davante would have been in that game if there had been a consistent threat on the other side at no. 2. Instead, we got Gutekunst chasing after a Kizer reincarnation because his ego wouldn't let him believe he'd been so wrong about the original.

For years, nearly every organization and pro scout outside GB has known that during his career AR alone has kept the packers from being a less than average mediocrity. He got McCarthy fired? Well, not before he made him an undeserved multi-millionaire, him and most of the other people in the packers organization. Please let me manage an employee like that for a few years at work before I get fired. The packers are a "draft and develop" team because they have the luxury of making stupid draft picks and praying they turn out okay because AR has always been there to guarantee at least a winning season. In the final analysis, AR's career in GB will have been little more than hiding the consistent blemishes and failings of the packers' organization.

And I'm exhausted too of the idiot argument that the packers and (especially) McCarthy made AR, that w/o his time in McCarthy's QB school or sitting behind and learning from that paragon of jedi teaching Favre, AR would be nothing. This idiot argument too got a lot of legs from that great AR backer Bob McGinn. He's been spinning this narrative for years. (Btw, McGinn was at one time-might still be--unsure whether AR deserves HOF). If AR is little more than a product of McCarthy's QB whispering talents, Brett Hundley anyone? Anyone? Was Hundley immune to McCarthy's mystical QB teaching brilliance for some reason? How many year did Mike have with him? Where's Hundley now? How's it going for good old Mike in Dallas?

To the question Nagler posed in his daily chat recently: "Does anyone think AR would be AR if he'd been drafted by the browns?" my answer is yes. Why? Joe Thomas is my answer. He played on that most dysfunctional of football organizations for his entire 11 year career and it did not keep him from being All-Pro six times and a guaranteed first round HOF entry. Or is there any reason AR shouldn't be compared to Joe Thomas? There's no doubt AR would still be AR even if he'd played on the browns or the bears or the 49ers. Anywhere. There was no magical dirt in the frozen tundra that made AR one of the greatest QBs.

Gute claims that the Packers are in "win now" mode. Two years ago, they were one game away from the Super Bowl. What does Gute do? He spends his top 4 draft picks on three guys that sit the bench the entire year, sans Dillion who played maybe a game and a half. Earth to Gute, drafting benchwarmers who plan to start in a few years is not considered "win now" mode

Sure, Davante has astronomical numbers for stats but that's because they still don't have a #2 WR. They have a #1 and a bunch of 3's, and 4's. ESB is on the PUP list most of the time. You're never sure if MVS is gonna actually catch the ball, and Lazard has had a decent showing on occasion but not enough to be considered a #2. Green Bay hasn't drafted a receiver in the top three rounds in SEVEN YEARS. You'd think if you had one of the greatest QB's of all time you would make sure he had some decent receivers. Good thing Gute broke up the chemistry of Rodgers and Nelson, who led the league in TD's before Hundley came in the picture, only to sign one of the biggest flops GB has seen in recent memory with Jimmy Graham. They couldn't pay Nelson but they could make Graham the highest paid TE in the league to catch 5 TD's in two years? SMH

Another GIANT flop was trying to outsmart everyone by signing Martellus Bennett over Jared Cook. Cook made some amazing catches and was a great addition to the team, while Bennett was a POS who was off the team halfway through the season, taking with him $8million.

Who precisely has been saying that Rodgers isn't being given enough support by the Pack? This is a prime case of a straw man rant! One might call it Nagler's Lament.

I believe that it was a terrible mistake for Gutekunst to have drafted Love last year. The Packers would have been markedly stronger had a WR or ILB or defensive lineman been selected instead. Further, the fact that Rodgers had an MVP season with a receiving corps (Adams is elite, MVS could well reach that level this year based on late and post-season performance) that does not compare favourably to many of the NFL's top teams.

The more important issue right now is the Packers' failure to restructure and EXTEND Rodgers. I am sure that his agent is insisting on at least $50 million in guaranteed money and a one to two-year extension. Coming off an MVP season and proving that he is still the best QB in the NFL (at least statistically), Rodgers has tremendous leverage given that Love will obviously not be ready to start this year. I would expect Rodgers to hold out this season should he not receive the guaranteed money he is undoubtedly seeking together with contractual tweaks that make it practically impossible for the Packers to move away from him at least until after the 2022 season.

Further, it is strange that Mr Nagler is so out of tune with the consensus media view from the top commentators and analysts (no, I am not including idiots like Chris Sims et al.) which have all bemoaned the failure to restructure Rodgers and are further deeply puzzled and disturbed by the team's seeming reluctance to give the NFL's top QB the contractual assurances that he will be the starter for at least two more seasons. Rodgers clearly performs well in LaFleur's offensive scheme and his arm strength is still outstanding. The example of Brees (with a much weaker arm) performing at an elite level in his late thirties and now Brady performing at an elite level in his mid-forties is sufficient proof that Rodgers should have at least three more years of productive, high-calibre play. Mr Nagler, please leave the dark side and come join Mr Rodgers' neighbourhood.

They haven't.

In 2011..fresh off a SB win, SB MVP, Rodgers wins an MVP for the 2011 season going 15-1 with the 32nd ranked defense.
Rodgers was the hottest thing going in the NFL back then.

Fast forward to 2020-2021
Rodgers was/is the hottest thing going in the NFL.

In between won another MVP

Appreciate what you have, while you have it.
Sometimes it takes a player to be gone, for some fans to appreciate what they had.

I know and appreciate what we have.....which brings me to....

Mr. Jordan Love...The Chosen One....someday soon, you might be the starting QB under center for the Green Bay Packers after 30 years of Favre and Rodgers.

Best of luck....Godspeed.