The Green Bay Packers Should Give Jordan Love Some Starts This Season

We aren’t there yet, but the time is likely approaching when the Green Bay Packers will be eliminated from playoff contention. It will already take a 6-2 finish and a bit of help for the Packers to even have a chance of grabbing the final wild card in the NFC. Through the first half of the season, the team has shown few signs that they are good enough to put together such a string of wins.

So, at some point later in the season, it would be in the best interests of the franchise to give backup quarterback Jordan Love a few starts to see what he can do.

Love has started exactly one game in his NFL career thus far and with good reason: Rodgers won back-to-back NFL MVPs after the Packers selected Love in the first round of the 2020 NFL Draft. In fact, during that one game, Rodgers was out because of Covid and Love had to make the start after a game plan designed for Rodgers was already installed. Love struggled and the Packers lost to the Chiefs, 13-7.

But this year, Rodgers has not played anywhere near an MVP level. While this is not entirely his fault, his level of play has fallen off significantly in 2022.

Rodgers will turn 39 in December. While we don’t know if this fall off in his play is due to Father Time, the difficult transition the team had at wide receiver or injuries along the offensive line, we do know Rodgers is having an off year by his elite standards.

We also don’t know what the future holds for AR-12. Rodgers signed a three-year extension this past offseason that made him the highest paid player in NFL history. But even Rodgers has said he knows he is close to the end of his career and that his new extension was really a one-year deal with two one-year options.

After suffering through a frustrating and disappointing 2022 campaign, Rodgers could decide to retire, he could demand a trade out of Green Bay or he could decide to return. If he wants to return, GM Brian Gutekunst will likely welcome him back and try to build the team around him. But if he retires or demands a trade, it would certainly be in the best interests of the team for Gutekunst to know if he can or should build the team around Love in 2023 and beyond or if he should draft for or trade for another quarterback.

Once the Packers are eliminated from playoff contention, Gutekunst and head coach Matt LaFleur should give Love a few starts. They should allow him to run an offense designed to maximize his skills and one that will most resemble the offense that LaFleur wants to run rather than the hybrid between LaFleur’s system and what Rodgers is most comfortable with.

If Love does well in his two or three starts, the Packers could choose to pick up his fifth-year option this offseason and keep him around until Rodgers retires or moves on, or they could trade him to an interested team who needs a starting quarterback and maximize their return on a player who will never have his day as the permanent starter of the Packers franchise.

If Love falters and doesn’t show signs that he can be a consistent starter in the NFL, the Packers will not likely pick up his fifth-year option and could either keep him around as the backup for one more year or again try to trade him although obviously they would not get as much in return as they would if he plays well.

By sitting Rodgers for the last few games of the year, the Packers could also reduce the likelihood of their future Hall of Fame quarterback will suffer a serious injury. Rodgers has already been sacked 18 times this season and he’s been pressured and hit many more times. He has already suffered an injured thumb on his throwing hand which has apparently reduced his accuracy.

If Rodgers is returning to Green Bay in 2023, keeping him healthy is obviously important. If he’s not returning, playing him is no longer important and again seeing what Love can do is in the best interests of the team.

Yes, Rodgers’ ego may take a hit if he is “benched” or “rested” late in the season, but the Packers need to do what benefits the team the most, not just what helps Rodgers.

Barring a miracle comeback by the team in the next five or six games, the Packers should give Love a few starts at the end of the season to see what he can do.

 

You can follow Gil Martin on Twitter @GilPackers

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:18 am

There's nothing left to gain by playing Rodgers. Love should've started last week. Not just because its time to see what he has, but because he also likely gives this team a better chance to win now. This offense is broken with Rodgers under center (shotgun). It cant possibly be any worse with Love.

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mnbadger's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:18 pm

While I totally agree with Gil's article, R_t_S's comments totally cap it off.
I wonder how many of the interested parties inside 1265 are pondering this very scenario? Hopefully the entire organization.
Even if ar12 decides to return, it's time he moves on from GB IMO.
GPG!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:42 pm

Im firm in my belief that there was only 1 guy who wanted Rodgers back for this season and thats Mark Murphy. Even he cant be dumb enough to "run it back" one more time.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:58 pm

Wait until he asks you to hold his beer...

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:20 pm

Murphy strikes me as an O'Douls type of guy.

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fangirl's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:39 pm

Murphy is a problem but he probably ran the numbers and figured that Rodgers is who folks want to see. $$$$.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 09:25 pm

I was under the assumption the fans want super bowls hence the nickname Titletown. And since Rodgers has been unable to get them back to another super bowl for over a decade despite multiple golden opportunities, the rational approach would be to try something different. See Einstein's definition of insanity for details.

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Since'61's picture

November 10, 2022 at 09:56 pm

"We're not idiots." Mark Murphy. Thanks, Since '61

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 10:47 pm

Almost like he was trying to convince himself lol

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 05:51 am

but... it's NEVER his fault... how can the answer be to move on at the QB position?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:36 pm

First of all....very well written Gil! I could see you very carefully laid out all kinds of scenarios for everyone regardless of which side someone might be leaning regarding Rodgers/Love. The one thing I do not agree with is allowing Love to only play in a few games. A few games for a 22 year old QB with no experience is not a fair evaluation. Love needs time to play and get his feet wet. He also does not need to be worried that LF will pull him and replace him with Rodgers once he has a bad showing. Love needs to have the whole front office and coaches behind him once they put him in as starting QB.

RTS,
I totally agree with you! Love should be starting NOW (but particularly IF Rodgers thumb is truly bothering him) as I too believe Love provides the best chance for the Packers. First, the team has turned against Rodgers.....IMHO! I think they are done with the diva. Secondly, Love can move around and run better & more often than Rodgers keeping the defense at home more.

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KenEllis's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:50 pm

AbsoFREAKINlutely Love should be starting.

No sane GM/organization devotes a 1st and 4th round picks to selecting QB after coming off an NFC Championship game loss (with multiple WRs on the board who could have helped the team in 2020, 2021, and 2022) without any intention of showcasing their prized QB at some point in year 3.

Time to unleash Love and to show the world why Gutey is the bestest GM in the NFL.

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jurp's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:38 pm

"No sane organization". This is where your argument fails, as no sane football team is set up like the Packers are. I fully expect that Love will not start a game this year unless Rodgers cannot suit up. Murphy will not allow it.

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PackyCheese500's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:20 am

I agree with you, Gil. For all of the Love haters out there, I don't really understand why. I agree that the pick made zero sense at the time, but now, Love is the best chance for the future of our organization. Albeit far from perfect, Love looked much better in the preseason, and we have not seen enough from him to rule him a bust. He has great physical talents, and if we hire a competent head coach/offensive coordinator next year, he could become the Packers' next great QB.

This is all just speculation, though, but we haven't seen enough from him to rule him out. Personally, I would wait until we go to Chicago to start him, because the defenses of Dallas, Philly, and Tennessee are brutal.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:24 am

"I agree that the pick made zero sense at the time"

Drafting a successor/backup to a QB already on the bad side of 35 makes zero sense? Yeah, I can't agree with that.

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PackyCheese500's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:10 pm

At the time, we had just lost the NFC championship and should have been focused on getting more weapons/better defensive players to win a ring with Rodgers while we could. If we won a ring last year, for example, we could draft a QB this year. Also, Rodgers wasn't playing like crap then.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:34 pm

The question you should be asking is 'why' they drafted Love. The answer is apparent now for all to see. All the fingerpointing. The refusal to adapt. The tug of war for control. All of it on full display. And these problems didnt start this year either. They started long before Love was drafted. It just took a couple years for those problems to finally sink this team.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 10, 2022 at 03:23 pm

Money.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:25 pm

remember MLF's fist pump when Gutey pulled the trigger on love?

I do.

AR does too...

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 05:58 am

"at the time" AR was coming off 2 pretty sub-par seasons that were showing the signs of being age related. The 2 late-in-career MVP seasons were the aberration, not the drafting of a young QB to begin the training and mentoring to have a seamless replacement plan in place.

what actually was happening was that AR. while keeping his personal stats looking OK but still showing decline, was tanking overall team success to get McCarthy fired so he could run things just as he wanted.

The Love pick was very reasonable from most perspectives.

One of the perspectives that doesn't make the pick look reasonable is the one that has AR as the only reason GB exists instead of the other way around.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:39 pm

PackyCheese,
I will say has there ever been another Packer who has received such unfair judgement of him since drafted? With him only being 22-years old NONE of US have ever heard him say anything negatively, or that he should play. The young man is a class act! He not only deserves the opportunity, but has earned the opportunity.

Maybe others can tell me if I am wrong but I was told by a major Packer supporter that in or around year 3 Rodgers approached the Executive Committee (member?) and told them if he wasn't starting he was going to leave. Is this true? Can anyone verify it? If so, put all this in perspective as it relates to how classy and patient Love has been.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:56 pm

I believe Andrew Brandt told this story. The way he told it, Rodgers' agent was in Thompson's ear regularly demanding playing time or a trade. Who knows what Love's agent has said to the team? And who knows what the front office may have promised Love?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:06 pm

Thanks RTS!

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Leatherhead's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:01 pm

Of course….I’m sure there was pressure to play Rodgers, just like I’m sure there is pressure to play Love now. The bottom line is that the team owns you The player doesn’t have much leverage.

Now Favre ignited the fuse with his poor play against the Giants, and then his faux retirement.

We have 8 games. We should see how many of those 8 we can win with Love If LaFleur can’t win some of those games, I don’t see why he should be brought back.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 10:52 pm

Thats pretty fair, but Id like to see Lafleur/Love be given an entire offseason and regular season together to tailor this offense to what he does well. Pretty hard to do that midseason with a playbook made for a different qb with completely different skills.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:02 am

It
Is
Just
FOOTBALL

If the playbook is that unidirectional and impossible for a guy who has studied it and run plays from it for 3 years now cannot operate within that system of plays there is a much bigger problem at work here.

Play the kid,..

People earn complete college degrees in that much time.
Medical school is that much time.
Law school is that much time.

"Love can't possibly have success with the existing playbook" is complete non-sense. Who do you think the coaching staff has been getting ready to come in the game in case of an injury to AR the past 2 years? Boyle was the de facto back-up in Loves first year.

IT
IS
TIME!

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2022 at 08:50 am

Last time Love started LaFleur didn’t even have a plan ready for him, even in a Covid year. While what you say makes sense in theory, I don’t trust LaFleur to live up to it.

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:21 am

It would be indefensible not to as soon as this season is mathematically done. It would be just as negligent not to do so with a dedicated game plan. To do so, however, the leadership have to face up to the disaster that they brought on themselves in public. Not until mathematical certainty forces that do I see it.

It’s not just Love: players that aren’t coming back need to lose some or all snaps to ones that might be the future as long as it doesn’t completely defeat the ability to evaluate. Wyatt should get Lowry’s snaps, for example. Tom should take snaps from Bakh. Abernathy/Ford etc get time at S. Watkins could be released. If we are done with a coach then release them too if there’s talent we are interested in behind them.

This is an opportunity we haven’t had in decades. None of us wanted it, but a rational team would seize it aggressively. Are we still that? It will be telling.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:29 am

Hit the nail on the head C-Dub. Love isnt the only one who should be starting. I want to see Sean Rhyan, Zack Tom, Devonte Wyatt, Amari Rodgers, AJ Dillon, and Josiah Deguara all be provided heavy doses of snaps with a gameplan tailored to all of their strengths. Theyve already wasted a season trying to force this team to do things that which they are incapable of doing. Time to find out what the young guys CAN do.

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PackyCheese500's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:11 pm

Yes. Not playing the veterans will also maintain their trade value, too. Abernathy and Wyatt in particular I'd like to see

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:47 pm

Look at the contracts for their most tradable pieces: Aaron Jones $20 mil next year, Kenny Clark $20 mil next year, and David Bakhtiari $27 mil next year. Nobodys taking on those contracts via trade. And then theres pending free agents like Adrian Amos, Dean Lowry, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, etc. I cant imagine any of them will be resigned. They already owe Amos like $7.5 mil next year and hes not even under contract. The good news is, this team should get a lot of compensatory picks 2 years from now.

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:12 pm

Sad but true. I don’t think everyone appreciates how much we are carrying into not just next year but the year after as a result of last year (justified) and this one.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:00 pm

Exactly. Moving on to Love isnt just about Rodgers. This whole team needs to get a lot younger and a lot cheaper real quick. Not sure if you were a reader of Ask Vic, but he hammered this point about the salary cap home real hard. You cant keep kicking the can down the road or doomsday will come. Its not if, but when. Choosing to go young now is the far lesser of the two evils. But on the brightside, they already have a bunch of young players to build around. There is still a glimmer of hope for the future but another lost season like this will kill any hope for the near future.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:10 am

I sure hope that you are not counting on Savage as one of the young players to build upon.

He is terrible and needs to be replaced ASAP.

Abernathy is intriguing, Ford has looked pretty good when he was given some snaps. The cupboard is quite bare in GBP safetyland though...

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PackyCheese500's picture

November 11, 2022 at 11:05 pm

A lot of the contracts of Jones, Bak, and Preston are dead money. Bak only has like a 6m cap number, and Jones about 11m. P. Smith is about 3m. We have a lot of dead money, and there is no point in carrying around these players, so we should try to trade them.

Also Kenny Clark isn't going anywhere

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mnbadger's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:39 pm

Jack Heflin.

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mnbadger's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:39 pm

Jack Heflin.

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PackyCheese500's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:13 pm

I am done with MLF, and after we go 3-14 I hope the FO is too. Ejiro Evero (Broncos DC) should be our new HC, while there is a golden opportunity to hire Frank Reich as our OC. I would also like to see Mike Smith, our old OLBs coach (now with the Vikings) brought back as our DC.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:12 am

exactly how many interviews have you done with Evero?...

I thought so.

tossing names around that have no previous NFL HC experience is conjecture at best and not really a viable path to improvement.

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PackyCheese500's picture

November 11, 2022 at 11:08 pm

Had MLF had any previous HC experience? Before Nick Sirianni, Andy Reid (with the Eagles), or Mike McDaniels were hired, did they have any previous NFL head coaching experience? This is no way to judge a HC candidate. Evero is an incredible defensive mind, and it's about time someone gave him a chance.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:43 pm

Well said CW!

Do you or anyone else know.....

Is this true.....I was told by a major Packer supporter in or around year 3 Rodgers approached the Executive Committee (member?) and told them if he wasn't starting he was going to leave. Is this true? Can anyone verify it? If so, put all this in perspective as it relates to how classy and patient Love has been even with the unfair vitriol directed at him since the moment he was drafted.

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:11 pm

I’ve heard the rumor, but whether it’s real I do not know.

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jurp's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:48 pm

I cannot see Murphy ever admit to anything you suggest. He will NOT do what's best for the team, IMO. I personally would love to see a "shareholders' revolt" next summer, where all of us small shareholders band together and refuse to elect his candidates to the board and then try to get him to admit that he was effing wrong in his reorg after TT. Perhaps we can also get the change to the org that prevents this crap from every happening again. I can dream, can't i?

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 10, 2022 at 08:16 pm

Sounds like Democracy.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:14 am

sounds like mobocracy...

Lets march on 1265 and trash the place...

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Since'61's picture

November 10, 2022 at 10:13 pm

Jurp - it's never going to happen. Our shares are just glorified thank you cards for our donations. If our shares were actually worth anything the way to send a message to management would be to organize a massive sell off of shares. That's how true publicly traded companies send a message to the Board of Directors and to the Corporate Executives.

In the case of the Packers they have our money and they could care less what we do. Yes, we could refuse to elect his candidates but there is probably a waiting of candidates to replace them and Murphy knows who they are.

Murphy will retire before he admits anything and he will fall back on the team's overall record during his tenure as the team's President. As for organization we will need to wait until Murphy retires and then possibly the new President will reorganize again based on how he wants the oorganization to be run.

Bottom line the current management created this mess, don't expect them to get the Packers out of it.
Thanks, Since '61

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Leatherhead's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:22 am

Love will get some starts. Be patient. And Rodgers isn't coming back next season. We spent a lot of money on an old QB because he was the MVP. He's not anymore, and his replacement is ready.

Devondre? Campbell was quoted recently about his experience practicing against Love and said that Love is a starter in this league, and better than quite a few. This tracks with other comments from players and coaches. And when you see the other QBs who were taken in that draft.....Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts.....rocking it, it's encouraging.

We're also looking at a potential last place finish and our neighbors to the south have an exciting young QB who is steadily improving. So there's a lot of pressure on the decision makers in 1265 to get Love on the field, and it'll happen soon.

This Sunday, either Aaron Rodgers will play well and we'll score points, or he wont', and millions of viewers all over the country will see it. The Lambeau crowd will see it. If he plays well, he'll be our starter for another week. If he doesn't, I think you'll see Love sooner, not later.

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:26 am

We should not start Love on a short week. Just an excuse for LaFleur not to have a game plan and the players ready.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:47 pm

Totally agree!

The absolute perfect time to start Love would be after our Bye Week... The last four games of the season.

Rodgers should get at least one more chance to Own Duh Bares, and as you pointed out, Titans and Eagles defenses are not the time to start him.

Give him more reps in practice each week, let the OC and MaLF start planning for the Bye Week to incorporate Love-Centric Offense against the Rams, Dolphins, Vikings, and Lions...

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:20 pm

There’s a certain logic to that. I’m just not sure events will not overtake waiting that long. I know you want Rodgers to face the Bears. Honestly, I’m not sure that’s going to hold together. I think the optimal time may well be the long week after the Thursday game.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 11, 2022 at 09:23 am

I don't care about Rodgers playing against duh bares, but I think he'll want to. (Cobb should be back by then for sure.)

I don't expect Love to start the next two games, but if we get hammered by the Boys and Titans then I could see Love starting the remainder of the games.

It just seems like the best time to start him would be after our Bye week. We don't know how bad Rodgers thumb is, but if he were to hit a helmet against the Boys or Titans, we might see Love sooner than expected too. IDK.

I know Love has to start some games this season for anyone to evaluate him. That is essential for this team going forward. We have to have a plan to move on from Rodgers at some point. Whether AR plays next year or not.

IDK what will happen with AR and we might not know until June 2nd? It will definitely be another interesting off-season for sure.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 10, 2022 at 09:15 pm

Why does Rodgers need to face the Bears? What would that prove? That he can’t even beat them anymore?

His last game there was the “I own you” game. Let that the one be his final Soldiers Field appearance.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 11, 2022 at 09:27 am

I have no problem with Love starting against duh bares.

I just figured with Aaron's ego, he would want one last chance at duh bares.

I would love it if Gutey and MaLF had enough balls to sit Rodgers after the Titan's game, but I don't think they do.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:17 am

or maybe MLF and staff have already been working on the game plan and working with Jordan Love to prep him for the short week start so Rodgers doesn't have to make a short week turnaround and play the Dallas and then the tennessee defenses all in 5 days.

THAT would be proactive coaching.

...NOT GONNA HAPPEN...

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:34 am

LH, im glad you mentioned the Campbell quote. This might be a bit tinfoily, but I think theres more to what he was saying. As I was listening, I was immediately reminded of an occurrence during the Tampa game. Campbell had just made a big stop of 3rd or 4th down. As he went to the sideline, Rodgers went to give him a high 5 and Campbell refused to even acknowledge him. Just left Rodgers hanging and celebrated with the next guy he saw. Long story short, I'd be willing to bet Campbell is not a fan of Rodgers and would love nothing more than to see #10 under center and this was his way of saying it without "breaking rank" as 12 so eloquently put it.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:18 pm

RTS,
I 100% agree with you! When I read/watched the video Campbell's behavior totally seemed to me he wants Love to play. I do not think this is an exception. I believe this is what many players on the team think and it is dividing the team. Think about all the attention Rogers gets, the expressions & anger he directs at players, the preferential treatment he gets, the poor play, the massive salary handicapping the team. There is more without question. Human behavior is such that once Rodgers started under performing players were going to rebel.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:24 pm

Exactly, Knock. Its all become so tiresome.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:24 am

PETTY HUMAN POLITICS IS A TIRESOME TRAIT OF PETTY HUMANS AND IT HAS BEEN THE DRIVER THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF MAN.

Ever since two humans figured out that by combining they could influence any individuals not affiliated with others, politics was born.

Let's form a faction and undermine the current regime and then have our own way with things.

Better yet, lets keep all the others divided so they cannot form a faction that can undermine OUR regime and wrest control from us.

...sound familiar at all???

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T7Steve's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:27 am

With the team the way it is health wise and all the other problems, will this be a fair chance to evaluate Love?

What are the options if Love gets hurt? Do you think Rodgers would just step back in no problem?

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:26 pm

Etling. Does it matter?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:46 pm

Yes, I think regardless of the team health Love would get a fair opportunity. My only caveat is he needs a number of games he plays consecutively to be fairly evaluated. He absolutely requires the front office and coaches support where he does not have to worry about being pulled when he screws up because he is going to screw up from time to time. He is very young, inexperienced, and this is the NFL. Play him!

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:28 pm

I think you have to take into account the issues. If he’s flat on his back in 2 seconds then aren’t we smart enough to judge accordingly? In preseason he was always playing behind a weak line, with a mix of rookies and folks who didn’t make the roster catching and back up RBs. If it was ok to evaluate then, while not ideal, it should be now if approached appropriately.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:27 am

?screw up?

Do you mean like throwing two completely avoidable interceptions in the end zone?

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croatpackfan's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:02 pm

At least Jordan Love has develop timing with PS TE and WR. I doubt they use starters for scouting team. Also he played behind second tier OL. So, he has some reports with players he would play in games. Not to mention that both Doubs and Toure showed their talent receiving Jordan Love's throws through preseason.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:06 pm

Sink or swim baby. Thats why qb's get the big bucks.

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coolhand's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:29 am

Love should have been the starter on Day 1 of this season since the Packers should have traded Rodgers.

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beautiful_mystery's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:12 pm

Rodger that!👍

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:46 pm

Agreed!

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:32 am

where was my support when I was constantly saying this on this very board all off-season?

...and not out of hatred of AR. I appreciate all he has brought to the franchise throughout his tenure. I evaluated his recent (4-5) years and thought it was time to get full value for him in spite of losing what he had left. he can still play, I just didn't think he could succeed with this team at this time.

It is time for the command structure to become righted and layered in responsibilities and accountabilities.

It is time for the team to get new leadership on the field and for the players to become united in purpose, effort and goals. I am looking forward to it!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 11, 2022 at 08:58 am

Always support you JB! Not only that I was sharing the same message all offseason even when it was not popular to share that point of view. I will share the same point..."and not out of hatred of AR". We have been blessed to have him....but it was time this last offseason....therefore, it is past time!

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PackerGravy's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:45 am

Not until they are mathematically eliminated, that would be setting a bad precedent and it would be a bad look for the HC & GM

However; if and when they are eliminated then YES because what happens if they keep playing Rodgers and he tears an ACL and they are still on the hook for that horrible contract.

BG has backed the Pack into a corner, hope they continue fighting.

But realistically, only the Packers FO know what they have in Love and the offseason will tell us alot of what they think of him

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jurp's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:56 pm

They are essentially eliminated. They should be mathematically eliminated by, oh, say 3:35 CST on Sunday. Murphy is responsible for resigning AR, not Gutekunst.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:33 am

ummm, the dallas game is a 3:25 start...

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jurp's picture

November 11, 2022 at 07:25 am

Yeah, and they'll be down two scores and out of it within 10 minutes,

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701Packer's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:01 pm

Unless they win this week, it is time to give him a long look.

But.. it doesn't make much sense to make the switch on a short week against the Titans. I would like a switch made after that. However, against the (currently) undefeated Eagles, they will probably stick with Rodgers.

Most likely we will see him at Bears or after the bye.

I don't see a ton of benefit of 1-2 games at the end of the year, I would like to get 4-5+ games to see what hes got.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:12 pm

Exactly why he should be playing already.

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701Packer's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:29 pm

yes

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1962Packer's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:20 pm

The real prob;em is that Gute traded up in the 1st rd, for a player most teams had a 2nd rd rating on. When the sports press and fans say they need to see someone play to see what they have; they are talking about themselves; not the GB staff. The coaching staff know what they have after seeing several years of daily practice and the preseason games he played in. One player said that Love is better than half the starters; which there are 32 starters, so that makes him 16th and average. We need to see what we have to decide if he is our future? By playing him, we could also show other teams what he is worth, and if it isn't good, lower his trade value, to get draft choices, to draft a QB. There are much better QBs in the coming draft. The problem is that fans way over value their players, compared to the value other teams put on them.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:50 pm

1962,
You may recall that 32 teams had Brett Favre with a 2nd round grade, which is why Atlanta drafted him in round 2. However, a very astute Ron Wolf (bless his soul) thought differently and upon becoming the GM made a trade for him. I don't see how Love's situation is much differently other than one team saw the value in him as a 1st round pick, and traded a 4th round pick along with using their 1st round to select him. Yes, many people said he was extremely talented but needed seasoning. With Rodgers the starting QB what better situation and exactly why Gutey drafted Love. The perfect scenario!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:03 pm

Knock, you left out a very important detail. Wolf didnt just trade for Favre. He gave up a 1st round pick for him despite Favre being a 2nd round pick who wasnt even playing for the Falcons at the time. By all standards at the time, he grossly overpaid. And then Favre threw 37 interceptions his first 2 years starting in GB. Imagine if people gave up on him after 1 game.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:09 pm

RTS,
Very true! Good point and wasn't that part of the KNOCK :) about Favre? He needed a lot of seasoning as he came from a college team that predominately would run vs pass?

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:26 pm

I dont remember what offense he ran in college, but I do know he was an option qb in high school lol

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Since'61's picture

November 10, 2022 at 10:31 pm

RTS - You're forgetting that Mike Holmgren was the Packers HC when Wolf made the trade for Favre. Wolf and Holmgren had already discussed acquiring Favre before the draft and even during the negotiations to hire Holmgren.

MLF is nowhere close to Holmgren as an HC. By now Holmgren would know what he has in Love and Love would either be playing or he'd be traded by now. As for starting Love I've been advocating to start Love since the loss to the Jets. If for no other reason than to give Rodgers thumb a chance to heal while simultaneously giving Love a chance to start and hopefully win against a weaker opponent.

The Packers will probably wait to start Love until after the bye once the games have become officially meaningless. By then management can tell themselves that they their money's worth for Rodgers for this season. No GM will sit a player that the team is paying $50 million for. Thanks, Since '61

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:14 pm

For starters, Favre wasnt riding the pine behind a hall of famer. And yeah Holmgren knew what he had. A guy with a rocket arm who threw interceptions like they were his job. They stuck with Favre in the hopes of what he could eventually become. It wasnt until his 4th season (3rd year starting in GB) that he showed his true potential of being a great quarterback. Up until that point, Favre was just a guy with a great arm who couldnt read a defense. Well Love has a cannon too and he can read a defense pretty damn well. All he needs is playing time. Lafleur may not be as good of a coach as holmgren. Or maybe he is. I know Holmgren and Favre both benefitted from having Andy Reed, Jon Gruden, and Steve Mariucci on that staff which should not be discounted.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:39 am

Here is a scenario for you...

What if...

The packers would have started and kept Mark Brunell instead of Favre?

Brunell was a damn good QB with jax and he would have arguably been better given the coaching and teammates in gb.

How many SB's would brunell have won if favre was traded and he was anointed the starter? One? Two? Three/ More???

Somehow I think the number would have been more than ONE measly SB with Brunell.

That was a mistake on the part of Ron wolf and the GBP at that time.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 07:45 am

ok Mr anonymous down-voter...

just to illustrate your complete ignorance and bias...

Quarterback Mark Brunell played 17 seasons for 5 teams. Brunell had 2,761 completions in 4,640 attempts for 32,072 yards and 184 touchdowns. He was selected to play in 3 Pro Bowls.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrunMa00.htm

note the obscene number of sacks brunell endured, his career was undoubtedly impacted by the physical beating he took in sacks and also the fact that he was a very successful runner (check out his rushing stats).

Brunell was a winner until his body got beat to hell, he would have been much better in gb than jax.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 13, 2022 at 08:39 am

I actually laughed out loud when I saw my post-response and a single down vote.

That is quite funny.

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stockholder's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:20 pm

I wouldn't start him. He'll be lucky to be a packer next year. We already saw what happened in Pre season. "This team wasn't Ready" because of it.
And benching Rodgers is the most ludicrous statement ever. Especially after we see these WRs run wrong Routes, Fall down, and Drops.
Even Bahk got hurt. To our surprise! So why worry if you want Love?
Benching. Rodgers could make him weaker. And un prepared for the next step with these Rookies. .
It would only hurt his stats! Chemistry; and turn the Wr group into a bunch of cry babies.
It's Time to move on.? (That is your true motive. ) Because if Love does start and fail. You'll go for a change at the top.
Putting us back to the Losing years.

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:33 pm

As far as I’m concerned, Love succeeding or not doesn’t change the need for wholesale change at the top.

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T7Steve's picture

November 10, 2022 at 12:44 pm

Actually, it would be nice to see if the MLF offence works at all and if gets tailored to Love's strengths.

Might tell us more about MLF and what was the problem with Rodgers if it actually does work.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:23 pm

Exactly. Almost like troubleshooting.

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Since'61's picture

November 10, 2022 at 10:42 pm

The only difference that Love will bring to the offense is that he will hand off more often to the RBs than Rodgers.

Which in fact will tell us nothing about Love as a QB. Secondly it will be difficult for any QB to show promise behind the current OL and with the current group of WRs. Love can't improve the OL and he can't improve the WRs route running or help them catch passes.

We also should consider that the team may already realize what they have or don't have in Love.
Thanks, Since '61

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jurp's picture

November 10, 2022 at 05:01 pm

You have had some (surprisingly) good posts recently, but this is one of your worst of all time. In fact, I was wondering if someone (a relative, perhaps?) had signed in under your name because the posts were properly punctuated. You need to take a moment and figure out why you dislike Love so much. And how would benching Rodgers make him weaker? That makes no sense at all.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:05 pm

TBH - I think everyone should be fired starting with Murphy, Gutey, MaLF, & Barry...

But, Gutey needs to see if Love is in fact going to be his saviour or the reason he gets fired. Gutey also needs to see if MaLF can actually put a game plan together to see if he can utilize Love's strengths or not.

I don't expect Love to be a world beater in our last 4 games of the year when a 4 time MVP hasn't been. We do need to see if MaLF can put Love into a position where he has a chance to succeed. If he can't, why keep MaLF around? Even if Gutey is just showing our next GM what he has to work with, we need to know.

Like pre-season, we need film on all our young guys so they can make informed decisions in the future.

If I had to decide today, there would be a laundry list of guys I wouldn't bring back starting with Amari Rodgers, yet if he gets to play 4 complete games and doesn't look as pathetic as he has so far, maybe there is hope for him, but he has to play more than a dozen snaps for us to find out for sure.

I have a feeling the next 9 weeks are going to be the most painful we've encountered since probably '91...

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stockholder's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:13 pm

Gutey traded for Kizer. How did that work out? I say MM was fired for Gutey. This time Gutey may be fired.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:25 pm

You act like he gave up a lot. They were going to cut Demarious Randall anyways. It was a low risk trade that cost them nothing.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:41 pm

Agreed!

Randall was a major distraction in the locker room and one of a very few times I ever heard team captains telling the front office he needs to go.

I will share the team played him out of position with the Packers.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:04 pm

You say a lot of stuff sh...

Doesn't mean it makes sense.

;P

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 03:40 pm

And TT drafted Brohm.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:23 pm

CW, Brohm was considered a top 5 pick had he come out after his junior season. Thompson likely he thought he was getting a steal at the time. And considering Rodgers already had 1 major injury under his belt (broken foot vs NE in 2007) despite not starting a single game yet, drafting Brohm made sense. Obviously its easy to criticize now cuz it didnt work out, but the reasoning was sound.

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:38 pm

It wasn’t the wisdom of Brohm as an individual that I was referencing but the fact that TT drafted a thought-to-be-serious QB prospect in ‘08 in the context of Stock’s comment.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 10, 2022 at 08:31 pm

It will not be Low-Ball.

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stormin's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:08 pm

What a bunch of ungrateful cry babies ! It isn't Rodgers fault, he has crap for receivers that continue to run wrong routes, drop balls and a inapt offensive line !

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fangirl's picture

November 10, 2022 at 01:43 pm

Let the crybabies cry...I also want Rodgers benched.

I don't want him to get injured as he needs to get off this miserable team intact.

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jurp's picture

November 10, 2022 at 05:09 pm

Hey Fangirl - according to Shailene, Rodgers has big, um hands. Interested?

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fangirl's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:46 pm

I wonder if you finished high school?

Rodgers is probably on the phone right now to Brees, P Manning and others who jumped ship. I will be shocked if he returns to this sinking ship next year.

Aaron: Play the Cowboys and Eagles and sit out the rest.

Fire MLF, but don't comprehend your real problem.

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whysoserious's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:16 pm

It is not ungrateful, just reality. Rodgers day's are numbered, the playoffs are basically out of reach and we need to start looking to the future.

Seattle looked to the future and are winning their division, have 5 picks in the first three rounds next year and are a projected 54 million under the cap.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:28 pm

Exactly, WSS. They dared to be bold and are being rewarded handsomely. They cut out the cancer and now that team's arrow is pointing straight up.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 10, 2022 at 08:16 pm

And Murphy and Gutey were stupid and didn't trade 12 to Denver and now we'll be %'ed for a couple years at the very least.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2022 at 09:06 am

Personally I think that the “stupid” was Murphy. At the time it was noted that while LaFleur jumped on the “Rodgers is needed” band wagon Gute said nothing till the last minute.

This season to me is showing the depth of Murphy’s involvement in the team and, unfortunately, that he is the source of the worst of the decisions. It’s time we had a President and a real GM that are truly separate roles and responsibilities. We need to return to the Harlen model before we get better, and this time ensure it’s not broken again.

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fangirl's picture

November 10, 2022 at 02:55 pm

@WSS, how do you plan to get rid of him?

GB owes him 59 mill guaranteed $$ next season whether he's fired, plays, is benched---
Why would he retire and walk away from $59 mill?

I don't see any real discussions as to how you and yours will deal w/this reality.

I'd like to see him traded but his contract, though it has a trade clause, is complicated.

There is a lot of fantasy and magical thinking about Love and trades and this preference and that preference but little talk about the reality of the situation.

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croatpackfan's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:23 pm

I want to tell you that this page is not web page of ACR butt kisser, but posters are Packers fan. We are not all (some are) fans of ACR, at least not after he start to manipulate and shit on people he should be thankful for his development and all of his achievements in football (including myself - I was huge fan of him, but I'm much more larger fan of Packers).

And my life experience told me that some people, especially arrogant ones, you can never teach decency. They are pshycopats and they care only about themselves. They also have (in most cases) gift/talent to manipulate with others feelings as they have no feelings for others than themselve.

For my huge disapointment, I found that talented and excellent QB I liked has dark side covered by his intelligence and eloquence. From that moment I understood he will fail. As he is, already 3 times in row and forth time is just showing in front of our eyes.

So, please, you stated that you do not care about Packers, but you are ACR fan, go and find some ACR fan club or page and enjoy there.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:26 pm

The whole team is about to be torn down. Kenny Clark, Aaron Jones, David Bakhtiari, Adrian Amos, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Dean Lowry, and others are all likely gone next year. That will clear more than enough cap space to eat Rodgers' dead cap hit in the short term. Rodgers has already said he's not coming back for a rebuild anyways so this whole discussion is a moot point.

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Coldworld's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:44 pm

If he doesn’t quit (and he might I think), then we have to try to trade him. We aren’t going to be good next year so that would be best for him too. Perhaps a rework to assist him to break free might work for both sides. Either way, I think we can trade him after June 1, just not for a whole lot more than capping the cap pain.

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BirdDogUni's picture

November 10, 2022 at 08:19 pm

Which is why Murphy and Gutey should be fired for sure. Leaving us with this steaming pile of dung is their fault. No excuse for it.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2022 at 09:15 am

Since I see it as Murphy, I’m with you on that. Gute is a more interesting question. I believe everything points to him wanting to move in knowing his roster. If he’s fired it would be for allowing himself to be a GM without the power to be a GM. Additionally, I don’t think we get a good GM with that structure and, even if we did, Murphy could ruin the good work.

As a note, Murphy and Ball agreed the contract for the extension. No team should ever cede that much control or leverage to any player. To do so suggests a total loss of perspective and we are seeing why now. Money is one thing, but that contract was irresponsible. That’s Murphy essentially begging.

Murphy has to go. He screwed up in TT’s decline, hired a Head Coach who can’t lead and is frankly craven, he threw our future to the wind to create this Frankenstein of a roster and season and he corrupted the essential checks and balances within the organization. In essence he oversaw the wasting of Rodgers since 2015. That’s a lot of extremely important reasons for him to “retire”. Shame on every member of the Board for allowing it.

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Johnblood27's picture

November 11, 2022 at 06:48 am

this is a very good post Fangirl.

I must admit, i didn't think you had it in you.

Not the stuff fans here at CHTV like to hear, actually very tarynesque, but sometimes the truth hurts.

Bring the pain fangirl, hurt me like only you (and Taryn) can!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

November 10, 2022 at 04:49 pm

Excuse me Stormin, ive spent upwards of $10,000 on tickets over the years that have gone into paying this man his bloated contract. We are the customers and we owe him nothing. He owes us everything. He owes this organization everything. And he spits in the face of that every single day.

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fangirl's picture

November 10, 2022 at 06:51 pm

He carried you and your bad teams for years. Really? GB has rarely had balanced teams

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 10, 2022 at 11:26 pm

I have enjoyed a few of your podcasts lately

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Since'61's picture

November 10, 2022 at 10:46 pm

Rodgers also has a coaching staff that doesn't have a clue or any solutions to the team's issues. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2022 at 09:23 am

It is surely time to ask why ‘61. For me, as I’ve pointed out, that starts and is directly traceable to Mark Murphy, abetted by an overly tame Board. We get lost in the symptoms too often.

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Untylu1968's picture

November 11, 2022 at 07:12 am

So how bad does it have to get, and how old does he have to be, before it's acceptable to replace Rodgers? When does the production not matching the paycheck, kick in? You can't have a loaded roster around him, when he's eating up the salary cap, that's just the facts. He's carried this franchise for many years, but the back has worn out. Time for a restart..

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Ritzy's picture

November 10, 2022 at 08:02 pm

Rodgers' thumb might be worse than the Packers are letting on. I hope he retires after this season. I agree that Love will get his chances to play in the coming weeks. And I'm looking forward to it and all Packer fans should get behind him.

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Since'61's picture

November 10, 2022 at 10:47 pm

I would not count on Rodgers retiring too soon. He is the type of player who will not want to go out as a loser. He may decide to come back next season just to try and prove that he can still play effectively. Nothing he does will surprise me. Thanks, Since '61

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croatpackfan's picture

November 11, 2022 at 03:39 am

Unfortunately for Packers, I believe you are right Since'61. Only possibility is that his head is on others, for him receptive fields like golf, ayah, quiz, public talking and who knows what else.

I'll be glad for him to go out while still have some dignity and good overall statistic. To prepare himself for the speech at the introduction in HOF and enjoy in watching football and other sports.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2022 at 09:26 am

Which is why one has leaders in place and why their competence or otherwise is so brutally highlighted at this moment. We can’t save Rodgers from himself, that’s on him, but any organization is supposed to be designed to be able to save itself when parts fail and irrationality takes over. Ours appears to be compromised in that respect.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 12, 2022 at 01:32 pm

He is what his record says he is: a loser.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

November 12, 2022 at 04:27 pm

Yes, Jordan Love should be starting and playing from here on out the rest of the season.

While not an NFL salary cap expert my understanding is this:

1. The salary cap is set at $208.2 million for 2022, this season's non-adjusted maximum for NFL teams.
2. Rodgers 2022 salary is $50+ million for 2022

Meaning Rodgers takes up nearly 1/4 of the Packers salary cap. There are no excuses! Zero...Nada! Rodgers with that salary is to left everyone's performance on the offense, particularly the WR's, TE's, and RB's. He hasn't done it and in fact is playing sub-par as one of the worse QB's statistically in the league. Does LeBron James, or a Michael Jordan ever played down regardless of their supporting cast? No! Great players lift the talent around them and Rodgers hasn't. He doesn't come to help the new WR's in OTA's and he doesn't want to play in pre-season. Rodgers should never have received that killer salary as he was never worth it let alone at 39-years old this year.

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